Bucs Send A Big Gun To Kentucky
March 22nd, 2019
College Pro Day season has the read-between-the-lines crowd all hot in the pants.
And considering defensive coordinator Todd Bowles was blessed to do whatever he wants, perhaps today their excitement is valid.
The University of Kentucky is having its Pro Day and Tom Pelissero of NFL Network is Twittering that Bowles is there in the flesh this morning.
Of course, the big fish at Kentucky is edge rusher Josh Allen, who many consider an elite defensive end prospect worthy of a top-5 pick.
Joe will play along. It is a big deal that Bowles is there versus just the defensive line coach or even general manager Jason Licht himself. Joe believes Bowles wields enough power to take Allen off the Bucs’ draft board if he sees or smells a red flag.
Joe hopes Allen has a monster workout and impresses in the interview.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:11 am
If there is fire to the smoke that AZ selects Kyler and someone gets hot in the pants to jump into the top five for Haskins, that is THE ideal scenario for the Bucs to get one of the “big three” defensive monsters (Allen, Williams, Bosa). Any of em would fit a need for the Bucs in a major way. That being said, I’d be 100% good to go with Sweat
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:19 am
Leery of Sweat until/unless Joe publishes a cardiologist’s report saying he’s OK. And defines the undisclosed “issue”.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:21 am
Allen would be an ideal DE/LB in a 3-4 scheme and it is no surprise to me that Bowles is in attendance.
I’m really hoping that there is a great amount of coaching influence in these draft decisions. We simply cannot afford to miss on premium picks anymore.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:23 am
Dont know if he will be at there at 5.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:23 am
If you thought Kwon had energy this kid is 1000% swag. AND he looks like he can back it up.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:24 am
I really think if NY starts leaning Haskins, the Dolphins or Redskins would help a lot.
Tampa is FINALLY in a good position here.
If those teams do jump us, then the logical choice of the Big 3 left would be Allen.
Joe would get his wish I believe.
If not it’s gotta be between Sweat and White.
I’m really good with either one!
No way White is Overrated.
Tampa’s main problem is lack of coverage on quick slants and WR screens.
Either of those guys will help with one or the other IMMEDIATELY.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:28 am
I really really hope that a team gets anxious and jumps into the top 4 to draft QB2 and one of the big 3 falls to us!!🤞
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:29 am
If we have to “hope” he impressed today …. Pass on him and hope someone else takes him
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:31 am
My ideal Draft would be trade down, Get White at said pick, trade back into 1st for Andre Dillard or Cody Ford and pick Jeffrey Simmons high in the 2nd.
Jeffrey in the 2nd would finally allow Licht to wipe his brow on missing so many.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:52 am
@Billy
Jeffrey Simmons tore his ACL last month. Not sure when he’ll be able to play.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:53 am
bucsfaninchina Says:
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:11 am
If there is fire to the smoke that AZ selects Kyler and someone gets hot in the pants to jump into the top five for Haskins, that is THE ideal scenario for the Bucs to get one of the “big three” defensive monsters (Allen, Williams, Bosa). Any of em would fit a need for the Bucs in a major way. That being said, I’d be 100% good to go with Sweat
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I 100% agree with this post. I am not concerned about the heart issue with Sweat. If it was a big deal the doctors at the combine would not have allowed him to compete until he had further testing.
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:54 am
Billy_43 Says:
I like your thinking in both comments.
I don’t know if my evaluations of White or Sweat are correct. Should we take either one at five I will defer to the Bus’/Licht’s decision.
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Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2019 at 10:55 am
Billy_43, I like that scenario. Especially trading up to get someone loke Dillard or Cody Ford. I’m a Montez Sweat guy though.
I have recently looked into a perspective shared by a NFL Scout about the misuse of two prospects: Ed Oliver and Rashaan Gary. Oliver is too small for me personally. I was all out on Gary until watching numerous games and considering his misuse and skillset. The scout was dead spot-on. He was absolutely misused!! I then decide to compare his attributes/combine to Bradley Chubb from.last year. I am now of the mindset that Rashaan Gary can play the same role as Chubb and has better tools. Chubb was a monster for the Broncos last year as a 3-4 OLB/DE. We’d get booed like crazy, but I wouldn’t be opposed to a trade down featuring Gary.
March 22nd, 2019 at 11:26 am
Without a small Kingz Ransom for the Trade.
1st (RUSH) Montez Sweat
2nd (DT) Jeffery Simmons
3rd (RG) Elgton Jenkins
4th (RT) Tyrus Howard
5th (MLB) David Long Jr.
March 22nd, 2019 at 11:36 am
Allen not working out @ UK Pro Day..Just interviews.
Ton of teams/scouts/ooaches…only a handful of GM’s.
CB Chris Westry picked a good day to blow up, after getting a combine snub …6’4″ 199lbs 38vert 4.31/4.35 40 – 33 6/8 arm – 81 7/8 reach. fluid hips…Made money today!
March 22nd, 2019 at 11:53 am
Josh Allen isn’t getting past the jets and the Raiders. If we want him, we will likely have to move up to two to get him.
March 22nd, 2019 at 12:04 pm
The last piece of the puzzle IMO is Ed Oliver’s pro day on the 28th, to see his 10 yard split / 40 time.
At 6’2 287 lbs he had a 36″ vert and 32 bench presses.
The guy basically played all his snaps at 0 technique / nose tackle and was never cut loose. If he runs a crazy time he may cement himself as a top 4 talent
March 22nd, 2019 at 12:14 pm
Good thing the Bucs sent Bowles to Kentucky….so he could talk to Josh Allen in person. Agent won’t let him work out privately for teams afterward, if he didn’t work out publically during the pro day.
Besides, If Bucs wanted the inside track and exclusive time with Allen, just make Josh one of the 30 visits their allowed, but schedule his toward the front of the Bucs’ 30. Work him out here in Tampa, then.
Quinnen’s doing it. That makes a hell of a lot more sense.
March 22nd, 2019 at 12:15 pm
@ Elite Vita
I read a breakdown from an ACL surgeon that showed the rate of guys returning from ACL surgery and his take on devaluing the pick in terms of how far he will slide.
Some think he still might go in the 1st round.
March 22nd, 2019 at 12:30 pm
bucsfaninchina I would consider it “the big 4” in Bosa, Williams, Allen, and White.
March 22nd, 2019 at 2:00 pm
I agree with you on 1 thing Joe, Bowles and BA have the power and are choosing the talent. Licht is just doing the paperwork.
March 22nd, 2019 at 2:48 pm
You would also need to hope he’s still there when the Bucs pick.
March 22nd, 2019 at 3:04 pm
In the event that projections are correct and 2 Offensive players go, we will have our choice of 3 from the big 5.
Nick Bosa – Edge
Quinnen Williams – DL
Josh Allen – Edge
Ed Oliver – DL
Montez Sweat – Edge
Top 5 prospects there. We will have our pick of at least 3.
Imagine Bosa and Williams will be gone. Hoping for Allen or Oliver.
March 22nd, 2019 at 3:19 pm
Running back Benny Snell, tight end CJ Conrad, safety Mike Edwards, safety Darius West, cornerback Lonnie Johnson, cornerback Derrick Baity, linebacker Josh Allen (Not participating in field drills but present) and linebacker Jordan Jones were all at pro day.
March 22nd, 2019 at 3:57 pm
So far, the only really argument I’ve seen made against Josh Allen in the comment section of this site have been in regards to his lack of production in the sack department.
I’m here to tell you that those who subscribe to this notion have bought into a line of bs. Josh Allen has the goods. He has the tools necessary to bend around the edge and abuse tackles with his speed and flexible hips. He also does a more than adequate job of converting that speed to power against tight ends.
His lack of production at UK stems from the role they chose to use him in. Often choosing to deploy Allen as a hybrid OLb frequently dropping him into coverage. Most of the time to cover the flat or shallow crosses across the middle. From the 6 or 7 game tapes of his on YouTube they did this on easily more than 40 percent of his snaps of defense.
Josh Allen could have easily racked up 14 or 15 sacks if Kentucky had properly taken advantage of his natural skills as an edge rusher on the majority of his snaps. Todd Bowles as we know is a fan of throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the QB and would no doubt do this.
If Allen is there at 5. We take him no question. Unless but some unforeseen miracle Quenton William’s is also available. Choosing between the two of them would be an immensely hard decision. But there’s virtually no chance of that happening.
March 22nd, 2019 at 4:20 pm
LUV
i agree…..
those 5 draft picks would be great…..
LC
you hit it on the head with Ed Oliver…..i think he’ll be a beast in the league and would be the perfect running mate to pair with VV but it aint about what i think…lol……..he had a good workout at the combine imo….nothing to suggest he’s not strong enough for the position….im sure he’ll improve at his pro day…..most, including myself felt he was misused in houston….
imo, its between oliver & williams or allen & sweat…..
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
March 22nd, 2019 at 4:30 pm
DE is in many regards are THE next most important position on the field behind QB. I believe the Saints made a move for a DE last year….if these players are deemed elite prospects, it wouldn’t be shocking to see a team move for a player they love. If we can snag an elite LB…AND a high caliber CB/S/RG, a trade down might help us reload.
March 22nd, 2019 at 5:30 pm
With the Bucs moving toward a 3-4 I don’t see them taking a 3 technique like Oliver unless the think he can be a 3-4 end. Donald does it in LA so its possible. McCoy is out of place here too. Its common for a 3-4 defense to show a 4-3 front . However, I’m not sure taking a guy who was out of position in college and putting him out of place in the NFL makes sense. Vea is the prototype NT. It would be nice to have 2 studs but not with the 1st pick. Simmons in the 2nd if he’s there maybe.
March 22nd, 2019 at 7:14 pm
“Bucs have no shot getting Josh Allen
He is Kobes #1 rated player in the draft
Raiders will tradeup to get the kalil Mack replacement”
Kobe Faker
March 22nd, 2019 at 9:41 pm
I’d be ALLLL GOOOOD with Josh but I don’t think we get lucky enough to get him. Word on the street now is Jets are going to get him. Quinnen would follow suit with the Raiders unless by a stroke of luck both the Cards get Kyler and somebody trades up with the other 3 for Haskins.