When Idiocy Trumps Accuracy
February 12th, 2019
This is where we are in America these days.
Yesterday, some angry reader blasted Joe in the comments because Joe had the gall to quote a former NFL suit who thinks the Bucs’ roster is terribly overrated by none other than the Bucs themselves.
Joe assumes this same person — the points made in the story are valid questions — is more interested in interesting takes than something rooted in accuracy or facts. Joe doesn’t traffic in nonsensical throw-s(p)it-against-the-wall garbage.
This leads Joe to Colin Cowturd, a guy who can be seen and heard on FS1 weekdays, a guy who likes to brag he’s not concerned much with accuracy but he does want to be interesting.
(Joe’s reaction is the same reaction for these NFL mock draft mockers who change their minds weekly and who scoff at critics and say they have no interest in accuracy. Why the hell should Joe waste time with something that has no basis in fact or logic? What the hell is the point?)
Despite the Bucs stating over and over that America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, is their quarterback — Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht and Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians have stated this repeatedly; Bucs offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich even shut down a reporter at his introductory press conference who was trying to ask about someone else playing quarterback — it means no difference to Cowturd.
Yesterday, in the wake of Oklahoma star quarterback and Oakland A’s minor league outfielder Kyler Murray announcing he’s going to forego baseball to play in the NFL, Cowherd took to his national platform and said the Bucs should consider drafting Murray at No. 5 overall.
Not only does this go against everything the Bucs have said publicly, it goes against common sense and logic, not to mention reason.
Does Cowturd really believe Murray would start over Jameis at quarterback, seriously? That’s a laugh. Now if Cowherd tried to make an argument that Murray could be used like a slash player, part running back, part-receiver, part-quarterback and maybe move on from Jameis if he struggles this season, then OK, that makes some sense.
But if the Bucs tried that stunt, you think Murray would ever sign a contract with the Bucs? Then you are looking at a whole ‘nother Bo Jackson situation on your hands. Brilliant!
Yet Cowturd can spew this nonsense and noise pollution throughout the land and get paid millions of dollars to do so! ‘Merica!
What next, will Cowherd suggest the Bucs draft Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins because he’s a running quarterback?
“Keep your eye on Arizona. If I was the Bucs at 5, I’d consider drafting him. If I was the Jaguars at 7, I would draft him. Jon Gruden said he loves him, Raiders have the 4th pick.”@ColinCowherd says Kyler Murray made the right choice choosing the NFL pic.twitter.com/7DUiMhjH1W
— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) February 11, 2019
February 12th, 2019 at 12:09 am
There’s a reason he’s no longer at ESPN. Guy’s a douche. Another Skip Bayless. I can’t stand either one.
February 12th, 2019 at 12:11 am
Gotta admit I believe the bucs when they say he is the guy but no one has ever said they aren’t considering drafting a quarterback. I believe they will ride Winston and if they draft a quarterback are basically saying we were just trying to manipulate the draft to make people think we didn’t need a quarterback. That said if they did something that stupid with all our needs then there is no hope for this team in 2019. You can afford to waste a top 5 pick on a guy who wouldn’t start day one. Murray ain’t starting day one over Winston
February 12th, 2019 at 12:26 am
I criticize Winston however Jameis has more upside than Murray at this point.
February 12th, 2019 at 12:31 am
Murray will be a bust in the NFL. Book it.
February 12th, 2019 at 12:32 am
Well when your starting QB has been accused of sexual assault twice it’s fair to consider an alternative…
February 12th, 2019 at 1:02 am
Could you trade Jameis to the Raiders for the 4th pick and another number 1 this year? You’d have 4, 5, and 20 something. Then you draft Haskins or Locke or Murray. That would be interesting to entertain.
Right now it’s a coin flip if Winston stays past next year. You wouldn’t make that deal???
February 12th, 2019 at 1:17 am
Doug Flutie 2.0
What’re the chances? I say yes if he’s still on the board in the 3rd. Guys who aren’t prototype size often skid in the draft.
Jason, you can send my check on draft day.
February 12th, 2019 at 3:44 am
The Bucs are going with Devin White at #5 it’s booked. Can’t depend on Kwon or Kendall to return at this point plus they are moving to 3-4 under this season. I think the Bucs are going to be in business of acquiring an additional first round pick and that pick should be Dexter Lawrence. I feel McCoy is done in Tampa and will be traded draft day along with a few other players. Defense needs to be the theme of the draft this year.
February 12th, 2019 at 4:12 am
They will draft Tyree Jackson out of Buffalo if possible. Pro build (though he needs more weight) and big arm. Just needs coaching…and we finally have that.
February 12th, 2019 at 5:58 am
Not to be a contrarian but as the late Chris Thomas used to say…”NFL stands for No Freaking Logic”
Still I agree with Joe completely on this one. The Bucs have already said they’re all in with JW this year. It’s the only decision we could really make. We’ve put up with four years of his antics both on and off the field and he finally puts it together the last half dozen games of last year and NOW we’re going to quit on this massive investment of time and energy. Joe is right that is brain dead.
We can’t draft a QB in the first round because that goes against the very principles of BA…find your QB and let him know he’s the man. No confusion for the team and more confidence for the QB. Drafting a QB in the first round is even worse than Fitzmagic on the team because he will be perceived as the face of the future and JW would feel the pressure immediately.
If we draft a QB he will be a project type guy in the later rounds who is more of a threat to Griffen than JW.
February 12th, 2019 at 6:08 am
They will trade it for someone who realllly wants him..
February 12th, 2019 at 6:16 am
Let him spew that crap all he wants. Let them all sell the Bucs going for a qb at 5. It makes that #5 spot even more valuable for trades!
February 12th, 2019 at 6:21 am
That’s a long rant just for a guy who said “if I was the Bucs.” Don’t see “they will” or “guarantee” or “mark my words.” I understand the Bucs brass is all in on Jameis and perhaps cow turd does too. But that doesn’t preclude someone from saying “hey if it were me, I’d do __”
Are (admittedly ridiculous sometimes) talking heads not allowed to have their own opinions? What’s the point then? Can’t we just all chuckle at the national media and roll our eyes rather than led midnight fill our eyes?
February 12th, 2019 at 6:28 am
It’s tough. Again , I need to see Jameis with the right coach which I think Arians is.
However , We seen 4 years of Jameis now. I will say what I have said before- it’s been a roller coaster with a lot of ups and downs but to many downs and thinks that make you shake your head. I think he has been average and should have a finger pointed at him just like the other players on the team. Always an excuse on why he can’t succeed.
And There are a lot of good qbs coming into the league these days. Do you want to miss out on one. Not saying Murray is the guy. I think dual option qbs don’t last long cause of taking to many hits. Especially Murray who is tiny. But he does have that baseball Patrick Mahomes throwing from weird angles that makes you wonder how good he could be.
With that said , that top pick has to be an olineman or Dlineman. We wasted a full year of crap to get this high a pick. We can’t waste it on qb with to many holes.
I would Preferably take Dline since they are saying such good things about Dline in this draft.
February 12th, 2019 at 6:38 am
Greedy Williams will be the pick at 5 but damn I love watching Kyler Murray play.
February 12th, 2019 at 6:46 am
Joe must not have read Charlie’s rebuttal where he absolutely dismantled you with cold hard facts Joe. Don’t see a comment from “Charlie.” –Joe And it had nothing to do with your accuracy and everything to do with your means of making and selling your product. Vis a vis your incessant click bait and article structure which basically is you posting a quote and saying Yeah! Or Boo! Hello. Hello. This website is driven by Joe’s opinion and includes all kinds of facts and reporting about team. It has been like that since Day 1 here in 2008. That’s not “click bait,” unless you considered the popular editorial pages of newspapers “click bait” back in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. In addition here, every story carries the same weight and presentation on the page. –Joe
By the way haven’t you cited numerous times that literally the only thing that compels you to write an article is whether or not you find something interesting? Correct, if Joe finds something compelling or interesting as it relates to the Bucs, Joe writes about it. Simple as that. It’s really not complicated. –Joe
February 12th, 2019 at 7:04 am
two words on this guy: Bo Jackson….
February 12th, 2019 at 7:25 am
I think it is great to see mocks with us taking a QB…….creates a smokescreen……we will trade down at 5……with several teams needing a QB…..we are sitting there with a trade that won’t be too expensive for them.
February 12th, 2019 at 7:38 am
DRAFT MURRAY!!!
February 12th, 2019 at 8:04 am
He’s never been smitten with Jameis, to put it mildly.
February 12th, 2019 at 8:28 am
Joe,.. Winston was rated WAY BELOW AVERAGE by the nfl and past up and over. You can polish him all you want but after 4 years he is still nothing to brag about ..
February 12th, 2019 at 8:54 am
Joe…..you know better than nobody about this…..This guy has daily long shows and sometimes there is nothing to talk about, and have to throw this kind of garbage to fill the empty spaces……Everbody with certain knowledge knows that What this guy is saying is irrelevant, is just some stupid to fill some time…… No biggie….
February 12th, 2019 at 8:59 am
TDTB
i agree…..
tyree jackson in the 4th or 5th round after we trade down and acquire an extra pick or 2….
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
February 12th, 2019 at 9:03 am
Joe, The post I was referring to was made by Charles at 4:44 pm yesterday afternoon in the Lombardi thread, and he’s the poster that it appears is the main impetus behind this articles existence. I guess colloquially changing Charles to Charlie was too hard a code to decipher. Why treat Joe like that? First, Joe gets many hundreds of comments per day with a load of them landing in moderation or filtered for hate speech. Second, why would Joe possibly think you were referring to a different thread or name. Third, Joe doesn’t read all the comments. –Joe
February 12th, 2019 at 9:15 am
I believe they will ride with Winston, but everyone seems to be forgetting something:
This is the time of lies and misdirection.
A new staff. You never know what new guys will do. They could completely surprise us move up to the first pick, draft the top QB, and then, when questioned later about Jameis, say “At the time, Jameis was our Quarterback. At the time.”
Not likely , but you never know.
February 12th, 2019 at 9:47 am
Murray is over hyped! Idiots like Cowterd are just running their mouths like my 10yr old, just talking to hear there own voice. I do like the fact that Joe listen’s to everything people say about the Bucs and lets us know.
February 12th, 2019 at 9:52 am
If you think Kyle is a Future all pro, of course you take him if he’s there and wants to come.
February 12th, 2019 at 9:53 am
I think anyone who gets there panties in a wad in February over a Mock draft is the idiot.
February 12th, 2019 at 10:03 am
Jon Gruden loves everybody.
February 12th, 2019 at 11:06 am
Stephen A & Coward are the worst in the game right now
February 12th, 2019 at 11:53 am
I can see BA drafting a QB in this draft but in the 1st or with the 5th pick? No! Take 1 of those other QBs who drop & develope him. Jameis will be just fine if our defense steps up & holds the leads he provides. BA hasn’t failed yet, let’s hope our form of “Bucs Luck” doesn’t come back to bite us in the ass.
February 12th, 2019 at 12:15 pm
Can’t say Murray’s gonna be a bust in the NFL. He certainly has speed. And he’s not gonna be able to drop back and pass over linemen. He’ll fin running has its pluses until..you start taking those real big hits though. Vick only lasted so long and he was good…Just not durable. We shall see.
February 12th, 2019 at 12:47 pm
He literally just bashed Murray on the radio today saying he wouldn’t draft him early
February 12th, 2019 at 1:35 pm
@tattodonny… BA has no need or want to take a qb and develop. He has a 3 year plan and then rides off into the sunset.
February 12th, 2019 at 3:20 pm
So Joe is supposed to shut down a successful business that he worked his arse for 10 years to build and rebuild it to look like a newspaper which is a failing business model???
Joe will post what he feels like posting. And judging by the traffic, it seems that also appeals to a wide number of Bucs fans.
February 12th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
I agree with Jason S. Mclaurin.
Devin White will be the pick at 5. You can get OL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Get the athletic guys first. OL is the least athletic position in football. Don’t spend a high first unless the guy is a Quentin Nelson or Anthony Munoz. I don’t see an OL man like that this year.