Trust, Loyalty, Respect
January 14th, 2019
Return possible?
Trust
Loyalty
Respect
Those are the three core values of the coaching philosophy of new Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians.
Through Arians’ Thursday press conference and his closed-door chat with the local pen and mic club moments later to his many appearances on national platforms last week, Joe heard those words more than a few times from the new Bucs coach.
Trust.
Loyalty.
Respect.
Those three words bring Joe to malcontent wide receiver DeSean Jackson. If the Bucs want to keep Jackson for the third and final season of his three-year contract, the Bucs can do so as long as they pick up the $10 million check.
And the Bucs can release Jackson as well without any financial or salary cap penalty.
Trust.
Loyalty.
Respect.
Arians holds those words sacred. In his tearful press conference a year ago when he announced his resignation from the Cardinals, those words were in his very first sentence.
Over the weekend, when Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported Arians was trying to reach out to Jackson to see if old wounds could be healed in order to keep Jackson in Tampa Bay, Arians’ words rushed through Joe’s head.
Trust.
Loyalty.
Respect.
Let’s look at those three words in relation to Jackson, who recently treated all his fellow Bucs wide receivers including (former?) receivers coach Skyler Fulton to a fishing trip.
Trust: Not sure you can trust Jackson other than trust he will whine at some point or another. You can trust he will miss part of OTAs working out in California.
Loyalty: Jackson is a loyal man. To himself. Loyal to his family (which is important) and loyal to the Almighty Dollar. And then there is the tiny matter of Jackson begging to be traded midseason, before the Bucs were eliminated from the playoffs.
Respect: LOL! This is rich. Dude sleeps in meetings. Tries to get his starting quarterback benched on national television. Gets into hassles with coaches. The only respect Jackson shows is to stacks of Benjamins.
Now Arians is big on second chances. He himself is a product of second chances dating back to his high school days when he lost all but one college scholarship offer after getting expelled from school.
Perhaps that is what is at work here. Jackson has a clean slate with Arians. Clearly, Jackson is a talented football player with rare skill. But with that skill comes heavy baggage.
Joe can understand why Arians would want to keep Jackson and why he would give him a second chance. But the way Jackson blew up that locker room, loafed and generally was a monster pain in the arse, if Arians does keep him, Joe will only write that Arians’ core three values might be hot air.
Trust.
Loyalty.
Respect.
Jackson embodies none of these traits.
The Bucs are better off using Jackson’s $10 million to keep Adam Humphries, a guy who embodies all of Arians’ three core values, or go out and buy John Brown.
January 14th, 2019 at 5:21 am
Djax began the season with three 100-yard games over the first four games and three touchdowns, but that was as a beneficiary of FitzMagic as quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick was at the helm in the early going. When Jameis Winston returned, Jackson’s numbers waned and he finished the campaign with 41 receptions for 774 yards and four touchdowns in 12 games. – Ian Rapoport
In other words, Jamies is a chit quarterback
January 14th, 2019 at 5:22 am
Nobody on the Koetter coaching staff deserved any respect
January 14th, 2019 at 5:31 am
If that is all you got out of Joes take #7423 you truly are one of the most uninformed readers of JBF. Mind blowing.
January 14th, 2019 at 5:39 am
Don’t engage with trolls…they’re a miserable bunch.
January 14th, 2019 at 5:40 am
Believer-
Joe demonized Desean Jackson in yet another article, what more is their to interpret???
I don’t agree with everything joe writes because I’m not a sheep like the rest of you weak fans
January 14th, 2019 at 5:57 am
Dang
Joe no like d Jax.
I thought he was a thug too until I saw what he could do with fitz throwing and the brotherhood he embodied when giving fitz his gear to wear.
If you’re a crabman homer you hate d Jax……smh
January 14th, 2019 at 6:18 am
Funny how the problem was all Jameis but Jackson didn’t do a damn thing with fitz in there when they lost vs the Panthers, Redskins, and Giants…
January 14th, 2019 at 6:30 am
Trade him to the cardinals for patrick peterson..Im sure licht can convince them to sign peterson to a one year deal to make it happen
January 14th, 2019 at 6:30 am
Spend the money on someone that has given the Bucs everything. HUMP.
I have seen nothing regarding the Bucs negotiating with Him. Am I missing something?
January 14th, 2019 at 6:30 am
Sign John Brown for 1/3 the money, problem solved.
January 14th, 2019 at 6:33 am
I think we should sever ties with DJax. I can care less about him taking his receivers n anyone gullible out on a fishing trip. Any time a player goes to sleep in meetings, kick things over, n arrive late to meetings has demonstrated a selfish, childish n all about me attitude. I don’t c BA putting up with this crap but any time a player directly disrespects his coach in the aforementioned manner, he indirectly disrespects all NFL head coaches n assistants.I agree, pay Humphries n bring in John Brown. IMO, that’s starting out with a clean slate.
January 14th, 2019 at 6:55 am
Dis-Trust
Dis-Loyal
Dis-Respect
Dis-Sean
January 14th, 2019 at 6:57 am
We should be able to get something for Djax…….despite the rotten press deservedly continues to receive from JBF.
I have advocated pursuing John Brown in FA and Hump embodies Trust, Loyalty & Respect……so, he’s a keeper.
Our receiving corps would have the following.
Deep/Speed….Brown
Possession…..Evans
Slot/Hands/YAC….Humphries
All of the above….Godwin
January 14th, 2019 at 7:04 am
The piling on is a little unnecessary IMO. We KNEW what we were getting when we signed him. If he doesn’t fit, I’m sure coach will find a way to move him.
Lets not act like DJax was our ONLY problem.
January 14th, 2019 at 7:05 am
arians is going to say to djax:
“come back, be a good soldier, do the year, get paid well…and let’s see how it goes…if it doesn’t work out just keep a tight lip, be cool and you’re outta here at the end of the year…i’m going to get you your touches like everyone else within the offense…trust me deshaun, i’m loyal, so respect my words diva”
January 14th, 2019 at 7:08 am
mccoy can beat deshaun at locker room thumb wrestling matches…
#facts
January 14th, 2019 at 7:23 am
As far as I’m concerned, DJax got his second chance with the Redskins. Then he got a third chance two years ago when the Bucs signed him to a 3-year deal. He’s blown it three times, so we’re not talking about second chances here, we’re talking about a fourth chance, which in my opinion is about two more than someone deserves who has made zero effort to change.
I think B.A. and Licht will demonstrate Trust, Loyalty, and Respect to the Bucs organization and Bucs fans by showing DJax the door.
January 14th, 2019 at 7:29 am
Mixed feelings on this one for sure. You use the word ‘Trust’ Joe several times in DJax’s case (as in he can’t be trusted), but I can’t remember you taking that same stance against Jameis after his Uber ‘hassle’ (you continued to support him after his ‘incident’ it seemed).
Jameis had his most productive year flinging the football in 2016 (4,090 yds & 28 TDs passing). His primary receivers that year? ME13, Humphries & Brate followed by Shepard, VJax, Sims & Shorts. No DJax, no OJ, no Godwin. And no super-fast deep threats in the bunch. Not much of a rushing threat either (less than 1,500 yds if you take away Jameis runs). And yet we survived, and even posted a 9-7 record that season.
DJax is a ‘nice-to-have’ WR IMO, but not for $10 mil. With ME13 & Godwin at WR, plus OJ & Cam at TE, we’ve got some significant weapons to ‘keep the defenses honest’. Improve the running game by adding 1-2 quality RBs and that’d help even more to ‘keep the defenses honest’. Improve the OLine to protect Jameis better & I’d bet he’ll improve markedly in his progressions AND in accuracy. Would personally rather use part of that $10 mil to re-sign Hump (we NEED a reliable slot WR like him). If DJax is willing to renegotiate for less (say $5 mil), then super, let Coach Arians see what he can do with him. If not, we’ve got a lot of other mouths to feed.
January 14th, 2019 at 7:30 am
That was just coach-speech, hoping that a team would offer a late round draft pick for DJAX. Let him go and pick John Brown for 1/3 the price, who is younger, knows the offense and run more routes than DJAX.
January 14th, 2019 at 7:31 am
Three time Pro Bowler and holder of multiple NFL records, so I guess Arians sees something Joe can’t see. And I know why…
January 14th, 2019 at 7:45 am
I agree, let Jackson go and start prepping Watson to be our speedster. We also have the draft/UDFA to pick up another speedy guy.
10 million will go a long way to getting OL, CB, RB or more DT help.
January 14th, 2019 at 7:53 am
SAINTS VS BUCS
The last 4 years. Why are the top 4 NFL team while we are bottom dwellers?
Saints- michael thomas, lattimore, kamara, rankins, von bell, ryan ramchyck,marcus williams, eli apple…
Bucs- Vh3, nowhere spence, yippy a, cappa, rojo, ryan smith, bennenoch….
Every NFL season, the top 8 teams left in the playoffs are also the most talented roster
GM Mickey Loomis vs Jason Gump drafts/FA…
Is the reason why the saints are and will be top 4 NFL team for the next 3 years while we will be in the basement
Its not Brees vs JW. What would the record be if Brees and JW swapped rosters?
Mickey Loomis vs Gump
BAs development with JW IS NOT what will make the Bucs Playoff contenders…
It is BAs decisionmaking in the next 2 drafts/FA with Jason Gump, that will decide if we are a playoff team or not
Kobe Faker
January 14th, 2019 at 7:53 am
Addition by subtraction!! Get rid of players while they still have value…or get nothing when the contracts up. Hmmm that’s a tough one!
January 14th, 2019 at 7:56 am
Trust, Loyalty, Respect only to himself and the almighty dollar…
Desean Jackson is a team obliterater everywhere he’s been…to deal with his antics you must have either a coach with a backbone or a strong locker room (preferably both)…
The sad part is, I think that in his mind he really believes he’s a #1 receiver…That would be the case if we were playing flag football; the olny problem is, this is the NFL…
Desean is like the beautiful Hollywood entertainer who can’t keep a man…on the outside looking in, every guy wishes they could have her…but once you get with her start to realize how flawed a person she is; hence the reason why she always available…
Pass…
January 14th, 2019 at 8:06 am
Licht is just trying to CYA by getting BA to salvage DJax ..otherwise it is more GBoyz $$$$ FA money down the drain and another FA blunder by the GM
January 14th, 2019 at 8:17 am
I remember these similar character arguments about Aquib Talib when he was with Bucs.
Talib went to playoffs with Patriots, won a SB with Broncos, and now is going to championship game with Rams .
DJax has talent
Koetter sucked as Head Coach
Bucs stink because they have a history of jettisoning talent
January 14th, 2019 at 8:36 am
Joe,
bucs were eliminated from playoffs before season even started thus rendering your “he quit before being eliminated from playoffs” statement, one of the most laughable things written in years.
January 14th, 2019 at 8:39 am
I TRUST glazers will F this up
Glazers LOYALTY to nfc sout basement is unprecedented
I RESPECT glazers choice to field a minor league roster.
January 14th, 2019 at 8:49 am
let him walk….not because of his attitude but because we can use that money elsewhere…..there’s too many cooks in the kitchen as it is…..godwin, evans, oj, brate and hump are all the weapons we need…..throw in watson and bobo and we have plenty to get the job done…..
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
January 14th, 2019 at 9:06 am
a franchise that has Had 1 good season in the last 20 and only 2 good seasons out of 42 and is working on an unprecedented basement streak is in no position to toss out talent. the leadership void at one buc circus tent is the problem, not DeSean or any other player.
January 14th, 2019 at 9:09 am
I hear what you’re saying Joe, and what you’ve been saying repeatedly on here for the past week.
In defense, however, of Djax he does have a whole lot of talent that we could use (if BA can resurrect WINSTONS career and help him develop any resemblance of a long ball). Additionally, coming up on the final year of his guaranteed money and looking to be on the street this coming year, I’d be pissed too if my team fell apart (long before D-Jax started showing his discontent) and my NFL quarterback proved he can’t complete a pass to me, OVER TWO YEAR!!
Also, it’s funny how quick we are to forget that D-Jax was actually the only vocal leader in that locker room trying to pull the team together a year ago when the wheels were falling off.
Fix Winston, you fix this offense. All starts w #3
January 14th, 2019 at 9:10 am
Alan
Your post begs this question. If Talib was such a “star”…I certainly concede his talent…why was he DUMPED by all the teams you mentioned right after they won. I thought winning cured everything but apparently not the taste of Talib’s personality or why did they all ship him out.
IF the Bucs made a mistake getting rid of Talib did Belichek also make a mistake…The Broncos? That’s THREE teams who found him to much to handle.
January 14th, 2019 at 9:20 am
Love the talent, hate the attitude. The offense definitely sufferered when he wasn’t in there the last couple of games. Just the threat of the long ball made the offense better. I think that is why the scoring in the last few games went down. The guy definitely doesn’t exhibit any of the 3 philosophies. I hate to cut off my nose to spite my face but I would trade him like someone said for a proven cb like Petersen or someone else.
January 14th, 2019 at 9:29 am
Trust belief accountability
January 14th, 2019 at 9:29 am
Yeah bucs fan because fitz could hit jackson after the first two games. You mesean nut huggers live in this first two game fantasy realm. You k ow the only 100 yard game he had after that? Whe jameisbwas an in Chicago. Outside of that mesean averaged about 35 yards a game with BOTH QBs genius.
January 14th, 2019 at 9:37 am
Fix the trenches.
January 14th, 2019 at 9:37 am
St Pete-
You win with talent
You think the Cowboys, 49ers of 1980’s-90’s didn’t have character issues?
Charles Haley and Michael Irvin come to mind.
A weak coach lets the dysfunction rule…
January 14th, 2019 at 9:41 am
In Bucco Bruce I trust
January 14th, 2019 at 9:42 am
once masculinity was deemed a felony in 48 states the unintended consequences of pansy arses trying to lead athletes was not thought out very well thus the decline in all sports and the wussification of the nfl. alpha males need alpha males but in this gender-neutral world being an alpha is a felony see cancer93 …. lose quietly, crying on sidelines, no drive nor desire to be great that is the new man…… a true liberal’s dream. if it was up to libs and cancer93 all games would end in a tie with a group hug.
January 14th, 2019 at 9:54 am
I agree with Buc1987.
If you can keep your QB clean your odds go up.
If you can get to the other QB your odds go up.
If you can run the ball your odds go up.
If you can stop the run your odds go up.
Fix the trenches!
January 14th, 2019 at 9:56 am
djax is gone. he recognizes an ignorant qb and when its time to run for the hills
January 14th, 2019 at 9:57 am
don’t agree with anything 87 or bonzai says. just a couple of b*tches
January 14th, 2019 at 10:00 am
Take your meds Robert.
January 14th, 2019 at 10:09 am
Trust – Jameis lied to his coaches/teammates/ownership/management/fans
Loyalty – Jameis cost his team 3 games due to suspension and a season of distraction.
Respect – Jameis lied to his coaches/shoved Shelton Q/poked Lattimore in the head while on the sidelines
I don’t see the same outrage. Tit for tat. Hypocrisy.
January 14th, 2019 at 10:11 am
I like Jameis, and I have hour that Arians can help Jamwis get over the hump and become a truly successful Franchise QB for us… But when it comes to DJax, Jameis sucks.
That’s why DJax wants out of here. DJax just wants to ball out and he can’t do that with Winston, unfortunately.
It will be better for team chemistry overall if DJax goes elsewhere…
But Man I wish he could’ve been utilized effectively here… Oh well
January 14th, 2019 at 10:11 am
I have *hope not hour
January 14th, 2019 at 10:19 am
Licht needs to override Arians in this. DJax has it out for Winston. He simply does not put forth the effort the other WRs do.
Arians is making the same mistake Licht did when he signed DJax. He’s buying into the media hype and ignoring the red flags.
And that concerns me. If Arians is making this mistake out of the gate, it does not instill confidence.
DJax has already had multiple chances. He’s never changed.
He rides the hype.
When the hype fades, he blames the QB.
When fans and coaches begin to see him for what he really is, he wants a trade.
It is the same everywhere he goes.
January 14th, 2019 at 10:34 am
There seem to be a lot of fans that forgot how djax performed when FITZ RETURNED. You act like the connection dissapeared 😂
Man our fans can get very low but standing up for this dramatic pos and making excuses for him embodies how idiotic some of these fans are.
January 14th, 2019 at 10:45 am
You fools need to look at it from the other angle: think about it this way, DeSean Jackson needed stats in order to retain his third year of his Buccaneer contract. It became very clear to him, after Jameis Winston was named the starter, that he had little or no chance of retaining that third year. You see, JW cannot throw an accurate deep ball. This is when DJax started to become a little unhinged. It’s all about the money! If this makes no sense to you then you are probably just as ignorant as JW.
January 14th, 2019 at 10:46 am
Connection didn’t disappear***
January 14th, 2019 at 11:00 am
before coming to Tampa i liked Jackson but with John Brown & JJ Nelson being free agents, no need to bother with him… they know the offense, are younger and just as fast/dangerous
January 14th, 2019 at 11:22 am
Pittsshore
Jameis throw it deep to everyone else. So you are wrong.
January 14th, 2019 at 11:23 am
@Bonzai: but I am not talking about the opponent…
January 14th, 2019 at 11:25 am
Buccernutter
It is clear. For Fitz, DJax took hits and tried for the ball harder. He had no problemvgetting free on routes.
For Winston he simple had less effort and his route timing was always late.
Stop ignoring that Winston connects with others deep
January 14th, 2019 at 11:27 am
Pittshore, if you’re ok with an overrated receiver quitting on a team because of money then you’re just an ignorant as mesean and part of the problem.
January 14th, 2019 at 11:29 am
Bonsai these fools cant seem to figure out jameis has no problems throwing long to anyone but meseasn.
January 14th, 2019 at 11:40 am
tmax,
Strong words, but I agree with everything you said about leadership and alpha males.
January 14th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
@CG and Bonzai: What is JW’s win loss record???? Why does he lead the league in turnovers over the past 4 years???? Your ignorance as Seminole fans shines through. I was going to say a drunk monkey could get a degree from FSU…..but that has already been disproven.
January 14th, 2019 at 2:43 pm
Again Joe going for the kill shot. Get in Joe’s crosshairs and it’s story after story of what a terrible person you are until the torch and pitchfork zombies have this indelible impression tumbling around on their sheepish brains and scream and holler on every single social network until Joe is victorious. Soap box much?
January 14th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
Jameis Winston throws long to “everyone” else because everyone else is 6’4″+ and possession WRs who high-point. DJax is not a possession WR. He’s a streaker who catches in stride. If you can’t time your throw, be accurate, or have proper depth perception then that connection won’t happen. DJax is not a Mike Evans type of WR that’s going to fight for balls. I thought we already knew that before we signed him. Guess not.
January 14th, 2019 at 2:51 pm
If Winston hasn’t figured it out now, then it’s much better to let DJax go. Let him go to a team that has a QB that has touch. He’ll still have the highest YAC at his age in a better situation that suits his style of play.
BA should trade DJax. Both, the Bucs and DJax will be better off.
January 14th, 2019 at 2:54 pm
Ask Mike Evans or OJ Howard if Winston can throw the deep ball. PREPOSTEROUS! BASELESS. WRONG. And you know it. Stop making stuff up. Go Bucs!
January 14th, 2019 at 3:18 pm
@Alan
You win with talent
You think the Cowboys, 49ers of 1980’s-90’s didn’t have character issues?
I won’t debate that because it has nothing to do with my questions.
IF winning with talent was the only metric why did Belicheat and then the Broncos let Talib go? Nobody argues that Talib is not supremely talented. So WHY did they dump him.
And at minimum the Bucs dumped him at his immature worst…multiple PR disaster and violence off the field. The Pats and Bronco pretty much confirmed the Bucs first impression.
FOUR teams and Talib has been run from three of them. That’s a 75% failure rate. Hard to blame that on Bucs mismanagement. The Bucs have sent a lot of players packing who should have been retained…Talib? NAH.
January 14th, 2019 at 4:03 pm
Wouldn’t try to speculate DJAX’s future at this point. It all depends on what Trust, Loyalty and Respect toward BA means to Jackson. Let it play out, Different strokes for different folks.
January 14th, 2019 at 5:39 pm
stpetebucsfan
whether you like it or not Talib is a top 5 talent who would be right behind selmon and sapp on bucs all time talent list…. simple as that. the rest were simply riding sapps coattails… that entire lot of players you call legends are undeserving of any respect or credit they underachieved. the results prove it… 2-6 in post season is failure yet you call them legends. pardon me if i can’t take your player assessment seriously. talib is ten times the man compared to that fraud cancer93… i’ll take real over religious hypocrite any day.
January 14th, 2019 at 5:49 pm
Humphries is a much more important signing that needs to get done. If this bums making 10 mill a year Humphries is worth at least 15.
January 14th, 2019 at 7:02 pm
hump is at a max a number 4 or 5. nfl receivers with a low talent season. you are smoking crack if think that dude is worth a dime over 4mil per… man you low standard bucfans really confuse popularity with talent way too often. how about having a man-crush on a winner for a change, please.