Passing On Beau Allen & Vinny Curry
January 21st, 2019
His value?
Could the Bucs find a trade partner for defensive tackle Beau Allen over the next couple of months?
Joe doubts any team would cough up a late-round draft pick for his services and the $5 million due him in 2019.
If your answer is, “No,” then why should the Bucs keep Allen? Before March 17, the Bucs can let Allen walk without any salary cap penalty or money due. On the 18th, per Spotrac.com, Tampa Bay will be locked into paying him $2.25 million of that 2019 money.
Allen, 27, battled an early foot injury this season en route to a nothing-special year for a poor defense.
Before arriving in Tampa after scoring an Eagles Super Bowl ring, there were rumors Allen could rush the passer. There was no truth to those rumors.
The Super Bowl-winner grit of newcomers Allen and DE Vinny Curry, along with that of Jason Pierre-Paul, was supposed to rub off and make the Bucs defense great again. That didn’t exactly happen. Curry is due a $5 million guarantee if he’s on the team on March 17, part of his $8 million salary for 2019.
Another hypothetical, would any team trade for 30-year-old Curry’s contract? Anything?
Big decisions ahead at One Buc Palace. Lots of cap room available, too, if the Bucs want to seize it.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:11 am
Depth role players on the Eagles super bowl team.
I have no idea why Jason Licht keeps thinking that his bargain free agent players will suddenly turn things around.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:17 am
5 million is peanuts and you can’t get rid of everyone in one freaking season unless you guys are saying your a fan of Lovie Smith. 5 mil for d lineman I don’t understand why that’s a thing. Get rid of one if you get a defensive tackle I see that but come on you guys are not the capologists you think you are
January 21st, 2019 at 11:18 am
Panic moves by Licht Weight that simply didn’t work out. Did Unrein even make it to the practice field before entering never-ending concussion protocol? Arians will help Licht in the personnel dept. as well.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:30 am
Continuing to make a big deal that a player has a Superbowl ring is laughable….there are plenty of poor and mediocre players that were fortunate enough to win rings…..
So….no big deal…..Allen & Curry have rings……whoop tee doo!!!
January 21st, 2019 at 11:36 am
Beau Allen is fine. He isn’t great, but fine. VC can’t be here at that price though.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:37 am
Curry and Allen are serviceable players, not for $8 mil and $5 mil. If they agreed to $2 mil each I could see bringing them to camp to try to make the team. Both likely to be cut, though.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:38 am
This is why I don’t worry about the cap as much as others. We structure most our FA journeyman contracts so that we can dump them and immediately get that cap space back.
We could create a sh1t load of space if we really wanted without getting rid of any young core players. That said I don’t think Kwon deserves another deal and Smith should only get the franchise tag as a desperation move if we can’t upgrade him.
GMC/Lavonte on the fence. Would prefer to keep JPP for his influence on the younger d-line guys we should be drafting.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:38 am
Nate Sudfield won a ring……lets bring him in as our backup QB…..he was good enough to backup Foles in the Superbowl…….using the “ring” logic….he is a slam dunk.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:40 am
Wait,the sheep were told that licht weight “did his job”??????????????????? The sheep were told that, this team was loaded with talent???????????????????
Fix the “real” problem!!!!! The Roster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 21st, 2019 at 11:44 am
If a SB ring means a player is good, does lack of one mean he’s not?
Asking for Dan Marino…
January 21st, 2019 at 11:45 am
Mort Says:
January 21st, 2019 at 11:36 am
Beau Allen is fine. He isn’t great, but fine. VC can’t be here at that price though
settling for fine versus going for great is exactly why Bucs are in the basement every year. bucs need to raise the bar what is fine…. we will start slowing raising the bar… 1. Throat stomping opponents on Sunday is fine blowouts are not.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:46 am
While the FA DT class isn’t massively stacked, there will be more names added to that list in the next month or so. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a couple replacements for Allen, Curry, Gholston etc that have a history with Bowles and/or Arians.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:48 am
Cobraboy Says:
January 21st, 2019 at 11:44 am
If a SB ring means a player is good, does lack of one mean he’s not?
Asking for Dan Marino…
Exactly……it only means the player played on a team good enough to win….perhaps they contributed to that…..or not. It simply can’t be used as a sole measurement of a player’s capabilities.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:04 pm
What most people are missing is that none of these Bucs players were playing inspired football. Koetter and his coaching staff snuffed that out and made it discouraging to play here.
Maybe BA can make these guys play inspired football and we’ll see that we already have everyone we need
January 21st, 2019 at 12:04 pm
JOE you wanna get rid of everyone and just have JPP than we are back to square one. Only one D lineman and no one else to rush. CURRY preeemce helps free others up just as 93.
Relax in reading the entire team , listen to what BA said he is not here to rebuild. You move two or three pieces and that’s it (grimes , Djax )
Unrine never played and Gholston you can say never played. That might free up 7-9 million
January 21st, 2019 at 12:06 pm
Bucs fan :
I had same thought with different coaches and motivation. These guys might play to potiential as expected.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:38 pm
I thought Curry did an okay job…but we’ve got Nassib, so we don’t need him.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:41 pm
Getting the D back to the halcyon days of 2002 is not going to happen in one season , however when you look at the FA class , it is well stocked on the defensive side. Trey Flowers , Dee Ford , DeMarcus Lawrence , or Ndamokung Suh would add great talent. May have to release MeSean , GMC , Curry , and or Allen to facilitate as the above mentioned will command 16-19 mil per year. The road back to respectability starts with bringing in a proven star on defense much like the Buccos did when they signed Hardy Har Har Nickerson.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Buc fans are not picky. One winning playoff season is all it takes to pull this ship off the sandbar.
January 21st, 2019 at 1:05 pm
Curry was worth no where close to that amount, cut please and move on
January 21st, 2019 at 1:14 pm
The problem isn’t the players who were brought in. The problem is Jason Licht who brought the players in the first place. Let the janitor make the personal dicisions, we’d be better off!
January 21st, 2019 at 1:22 pm
My only concern is that a lot of fans are creating scenarios that generate cap space and or late round draft picks. I am curious to see what BA and his staff and scheme can do with some of the players on this roster. Forecasting Bowles will utilize Curry and Allen the same way Smith did is a lot like saying Sweezy could never start for the Seahawks again. All bets are off with this new leadership and none of us have crystal balls. It’s fun to speculate but I wouldn’t put money on anything this early in the offseason.
January 21st, 2019 at 1:38 pm
Let both of them go they suck
January 21st, 2019 at 2:27 pm
Some guy named Adrian Clayborn could be sporting a SB Ring in 2 weeks…
January 21st, 2019 at 2:51 pm
Good for Adrian. He’s got a — wait for it — motor!
January 21st, 2019 at 3:06 pm
Wow this is getting discouraging. Reminds me too much of Lovie’s first year … gut everything & start over, but let’s NOT call it a ‘rebuild’. Bad news: if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck & quacks like a duck, it’s a friggin’ duck. Or in Bucsville … if it looks like a rebuild, it IS a rebuild.
Nevertheless, we can’t gut the whole team without pulling another Lovie (as in 2-14 Lovie?). And it’s unrealistic to expect this team to become a Super Bowl contender overnight (took us years to dig a hole this deep, and it’ll take us several years to crawl out of it).
Right now, under contract, Bucs have ONE superstar … JPP … on our defense IMO. That’s it (call that Tier 1). We’ve got maybe 4 Tier 2 players: Vea, Nassib, LVD & yes, GMC. We’ve got maybe 5 Tier 3 players (max): Allen, Curry, Evans, Davis & Whitehead (maybe on the last 3). The rest are either very tenuous (like Beckwith) or are expendable. So why would we want to get rid of ‘serviceable’ defensive players like Allen, Curry & LVD to save CAP money when we’d just have to replace them with others potentially costing even more $$$? Even if guys like Allen & Curry only play 50% of the defensive snaps, they’re still key rotational players. And it’s just not realistic to expect that we can replace guys like them with 5th, 6th & 7th round picks.
January 21st, 2019 at 4:53 pm
After 5 Jason drafts here we are….
January 21st, 2019 at 5:07 pm
This is the problem we’ve had when we sign other teams backups to be starters. They look good on other teams because they’re only in the game in certain situations. When we play them full time they get exposed.
January 21st, 2019 at 5:20 pm
I’m all for letting the new coaching staff evaluate and keep or jettison the players they feel will fit their scheme. j/s
January 21st, 2019 at 7:11 pm
Bucs fan #7423 Says:
“Maybe BA can make these guys play inspired football and we’ll see that we already have everyone we need.”
This, coupled with cost of replacement. I’m willing to leave it up to the professionals.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:08 pm
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January 21st, 2019 at 8:21 pm
Its hopeless with Licht drafting, he is useless. We missed out on so many good players. Will be no different this year.
January 21st, 2019 at 9:45 pm
Wait… so we should cut D-Jax for nothing and then try to trade Vinny Curry who was about 100x less effective than D-Jax? Huh?
Curry should be gone, he brought nothing to the team that I noticed. Beau Allen meanwhile, said it at the time, what a dumb useless signing. As was Mitch Unrein. I loved the JPP pick at the time, hated the other 3, and a year later, I feel the exact same.
January 22nd, 2019 at 8:18 am
mitch unicorn: was just that
beau allen: pre and post game interviews was all he was good for
vinchenzo curry: well, well, uhhh…i’m speechless…ask beau