First One Out?
January 21st, 2019
Prediction
This was a strange call.
Usually, when new coaches are hired, NFL teams and fans rejoice for weeks and months about the new hire. But the crew of “Pro Football Talk Live” decided to throw a little cold water on all the feel-good news last week and even ringleader Mike Florio admitted it was harsh.
The creator, curator and overall guru of ProFootballTalk.com took over a discussion with former Bucs quarterback Chris Simms about who among the Class of 2019 rookie coaches will be the first to go.
Florio picked new Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians while speaking on Florio’s TV show, seen weekday mornings by intelligent football fans on NBC Sports Network.
“The one name to watch I think is Bruce Arians because if this goes poorly in Tampa, I can see him retire again — he wouldn’t be fired,” Florio said. “But that would be the way to get out of this because you know what, it is just time… to move on. Health reasons, whatever, drank too much paint as a kid, whatever the case may be. I can see Arians out very quickly if they don’t turn it around immediately.”
Florio’s take is reasonable if not logical but Joe doesn’t think that’s going to happen. No, Arians doesn’t want to break in a new quarterback in 2020, which the panel on Florio’s show hinted at.
This is why Joe is of the mind that Arians took the job, in part, to work with America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and Joe would not be surprised if Arians got Team Glazer to agree to extend Jameis’ contract a couple of years (technically, the Bucs have control over Jameis through 2021 if they choose an expensive option).
Again, Florio’s take is well-thought out, but Joe isn’t buying it.
Kliff Kingsbury? Now there is a guy that starts his gig on the hot seat. And maybe Freddie Kitchens only because Browns owner Jimmy Haslam is so erratic.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:10 pm
It’s almost laughable that they have more faith in unproven HC’s like Kingsbury, Kitchens, Flores, LaFleur and Taylor than a SB winning and 2-time coach of the year simply based on what appears to be his age. Arians himself has stated that if we win the SB in two years he’s gone, but believe he’s on much more stable ground here in Tampa than those unproven pups previously mentioned.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:12 pm
lol
We bring this on ourselves with how sh1tty we’ve been.
Start using this as fuel and not as an omen please.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:16 pm
At least some are paying attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Didn’t BA with arizona got “blown out” 4 times in his last year as head coach there??????? The hype and adulation” are not matching the record and performance from his previous job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The “real” fans are asking how many losses in a row and this coach checks out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 21st, 2019 at 12:23 pm
If Arians cant fix this nobody can. Problem in tampa is the entertainment around here. There is nothung but trouble to get into all day every day if your looking for it. These players dont care. Not enough of them anyway not giving it 100%. It will take a special guy like Dungy to grab their attention and make them.follow and work toward a common goal. If Arains fails here and doesnt win games in 2-3 years then its best to just sell the team. BA OR BUST!!!
January 21st, 2019 at 12:24 pm
The “drank too much paint as kid” line was a real scumbag move.
What a douche bag.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:25 pm
Over-punctuate there much Realist?
January 21st, 2019 at 12:26 pm
He’s got a sticky keyboard………….,
January 21st, 2019 at 12:31 pm
I read an article on the www yesterday about Mahomes and the Chief renewing the first year he is eligible ,I think that’s 2020, anywho 200 million was the ### being tossed about…it also went on to say his agent Leigh Steinberg has been holding him back from endorsements strategically but was going to unleash him in the marketplace…so if Jameis is offered an extension on his training wheels rookie deal….it will be nowhere near Mahomes…that’ll be a tough pill to swallow
Mahomes his going be Tiger Woods like in marketing and success….it seems
January 21st, 2019 at 12:35 pm
Truth hurts.
Like it or not, he’s right to an extent. IF things do not go well, Arians may just retire in two years. Or one. Or he might collapse on the sideline.
Anything can happen.
That’s the nature of this beast. Fans wanted a quick feel good hire and they got it. Heck, even if we do well, he may retire again before the end of his contract. And to suggest any of his assistants can take his place is silly when we have not even seen what they can do. Take Bowles for example. Mike Smith was a former DC turned head coach turned DC too. That went great, eh?
And Leftwich? Sorry, I’m not sold. I suspect Arians will have to take over playcalling at some point, but I hope I am wrong. I just think the guy who never had good mechanics should not be the one teaching our QB mechanics.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:43 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
January 21st, 2019 at 12:35 pm
Truth hurts.
Like it or not, he’s right to an extent. IF things do not go well, Arians may just retire in two years. Or one. Or he might collapse on the sideline.
Anything can happen.
That’s the nature of this beast. Fans wanted a quick feel good hire a
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we’ve been chasing that tail for 10+ years….bullcrap on being afaid to say “We are rebuilding this will take 2-3 years”…..and do it right…we put all the shiny ornaments on then tried to stand up the tree …I am afirad all the excellent offensive weapons will be worn down to average by the time the rest of the talent is up to speed….may have been wiser to draft OL & DL first while suffering W&L’s then bring out the shinny skill position players….Oh well here we are 10 years later still trying to get a push start for the Daytona 500 in used patch up car from past winners…hopefully BA will do the right things building team for a long haul…he’ll get a pass next year so he might as well shore up the trenches with no name big uglies
January 21st, 2019 at 12:46 pm
“It is, it was, and it will always be about the QB”
Wise Poster
The Head Coach success (longevity) is all dependent on the success of the QB
JW 4 years body of work is more impressive and positive than any 1 year production of the past year rookies (You still dont know)
JW is going to have a huge jump under the new coaching of BA and Leftwhich
Kobe (W.P.) Faker
January 21st, 2019 at 12:51 pm
“Didn’t BA with arizona got “blown out” 4 times in his last year as head coach there???????”
Nope. Already addressed this. Go look up the game logs.
One of your supposed blow outs was a game the Cards were leading in the 4th quarter…
Another was the game Palmer went out for the season…
Another was one in which it was a 1 score game at half and close till the 4th…
These do not count as blowouts compared to what we have witnessed.
THey also went 5-4 with guys like Drew Stanton & Blaine Gabbert starting.
Go re-read up on that season.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:53 pm
Its getting to the point I think NO ONE in the media likes this team. 11 years of losing. Unreal add PFT to the EvilBucsMedia. Jeez. Please sell this team Glazers so I can stop coming here to these sites to read about my team.
January 21st, 2019 at 12:56 pm
The 2017 Cardinals went 4-2 their last 6 games of the year, while winning 2 games against eventual playoff teams with Blaine Gabbert starting at QB.
Not sure how that isn’t impressive lol.
January 21st, 2019 at 1:00 pm
“BA longevity is 99.9% connected with the development and success of JW…
and this is the EXACT AND ONLY reason he has come back
NO ONE knows better than BA that the future in the success of the team relies on the shoulders of the QB
Though BA has been in Tampa for only a few weeks, Bucs sheep should relize that BA says EXACTLY what is in his head and heart…Black and white…clear and to the point
THIS IS JWs TEAM
HE CAN WIN IT ALL
THIS IS NOT A REBUILD
PAST COACH WAS RUINING JW
WORDS coming out of BA is EXACTLY what he means
Kobe “Life Coach” Faker
January 21st, 2019 at 1:05 pm
Pear shaped Petey D. wanted Mike McCarthy ( even if no other NFL club did ) and now is predicting Arians’ demise? A continued class act from The God Of Gnome literature.
January 21st, 2019 at 1:09 pm
No coach is going to fix this team. Reload, rebuild, call it what you want, you don’t go back to back 5-11 seasons with a talented roster, this roster has more holes then swiss cheese. It’s going to take a roster overhaul, a purge of losers to make this a winning team. Coaching can only take you so far, need a major talent upgrade. If Licht has final say in personal, we’re doomed.
January 21st, 2019 at 1:21 pm
We should start calling the Buc Realist the Buc Negative ist for pete’s sake. Try waiting for a few games to be played before crapping on our excitement for the new coach. I’ve never seen so many negative, defeatist, trolling people in my life. And don’t come back at me, that your just telling me the truth. Just because you tell me something doesn’t make it true. Try being positive for a change, you might like it. Just saying.
January 21st, 2019 at 1:35 pm
Lord Corn says. “Start using this as fuel….”
Totally agree.
BA understands the overlooked/under rated skill of managing people not players. Playing is what they do, not Who they are. Establish the Strategy, coach/manage/care for the individuals and the Team will take care of itself.
Bonsai – you’re skepticism is warranted, but there would be way more execution risk with a first time HC. I’m not worried about the throwing motion of a coach. If coaches had to have ability alot of hall of fame coaches wouldn’t have even gotten a job. I would also expect Clyde to be teaching mechanics, not Lefty.
Go Bucs!
January 21st, 2019 at 1:42 pm
Bonzai,
Leftwich isn’t the QB coach. Clyde Christiansen is the QB coach so you need not worry about issues that don’t exist. C.C. has been around for awhile as well as BA, they’ve seen numerous players with different releases that worked. I doubt that they would change much other than consistency. That would be addressed by a boat load of practice drills.
I really don’t understand why so many people are judging a coach based on what the player did. Frankly, there’s zero evidence that a great player is a superior coach to a bench warmer turned coach. In fact, overwhelming evidence supports the latter exclusively.
Yet, Bucs fans can’t help themselves from making an imaginary fictional issue into a debate topic….
January 21st, 2019 at 2:53 pm
Realist- Dude, you have got to stop. You drank so much Koetter kool-aid you could’ve been a tap at the local Circle K. Right now you are oh-fer in coaching assessments.
Maybe it doesn’t work out with Arians, we are the Bucs after all. However, don’t pretend that you know anything about coaching. Koetter and his staff were a COLOSSAL failure and you were the number one guy carrying their torch.
Koetter is back where he belongs, a coordinator. There’s nothing wrong with that. Bruce is our coach now and his record, while imperfect, is far greater than Koetter’s.
You want to be the “I told you so” guy so bad. IF, IF in 3 years this team is not better off, feel free to spout your “real fans, sheep” nonsense. Until then, enjoy the ride.
January 21st, 2019 at 2:57 pm
As to Florio, they have to talk about something, right?! It’s the silly season and there are only so many questions you can ask Brady about. There’s no Marshawn Lynch’s to stick a mic in front of.
Welcome to the age of “throw it against the wall” journalism!
January 21st, 2019 at 3:06 pm
Bonzai,Ariens did not take this job to turn and run if there is adversity.As far as health goes are any of us promised tomorrow.I look at BA and see a man I can trust and believe.If he believes in his staff that is good enough for me.
January 21st, 2019 at 3:12 pm
I dunno man, I kinda think he’s right.
January 21st, 2019 at 3:37 pm
I would put BA at the bottom of that list, not the top. If he didn’t see a lot of good parts here to work with, he would have gone elsewhere. Given his background and accomplishments in the League, he certainly won’t be the first one fired. To me, it’s just another example of the national sports media looking down on Tampa Bay.
January 21st, 2019 at 4:38 pm
“You want to be the “I told you so” guy so bad.”
+1000000000
There’s definitely a few like that who care about winning some meaningless argument more than anything.
I’ve been wrong as f*ck here many times. Whether it be about certain coaches or players or whatever. I also don’t even think we know nearly as much as we think we do about what is going on behind the scenes.
Would be a great service to the fans if they released the HC interviews and plans / organizational philosophy presented / etc and everything that went into draft picks / FA picks over the last 10 years. Let us know wtf is going on. Be super accountable for once. From Mark Dominic to Jason Licht and from Raheem Morris to Bruce Arians. I want answers!!
GO BUCS!
January 21st, 2019 at 5:35 pm
He isn’t wrong.. If this doesn’t work out we are talking about a TOTAL rebuild here… IF he finishes sub .500 I would be very concerned about what we do next, Licht has to be on his 8th life. HC, GM, QB… If this doesn’t work it would be a total reset. We are at the point that something has to give, right? lolol
January 21st, 2019 at 5:36 pm
I’m right with you LC
January 21st, 2019 at 6:43 pm
Chris Simms still salty.
January 21st, 2019 at 8:10 pm
History says only one or two of the coaches hired in this year’s cycle will survive with the team that hired them for more than three years.
January 21st, 2019 at 9:37 pm
it doesn’t who the coach is or who the qb is – the bucs are florida’s version of the cowboys – 8-8 for eternity. time for new OWNERS?!?
January 21st, 2019 at 9:49 pm
I don’t think anyone thinks Arians is going to be here for a decade, would love for that to be the case (since it would mean he had a ton of success), but come on. He’s here for probably 3-4 years, and hopefully the team has success and he passes on the team to an assistant coach who keeps it going.
That’s OK – the Bucs right now don’t need a 10 year rebuild like Gruden is doing to Oakland.
January 21st, 2019 at 11:31 pm
How many coaches will be fired until the Bucs wake up to the reality that Winston is a complete bust? If BA wants to stick around, he better cut bait on the worst QB since the 2015 draft. Numbers don’t lie, 21-33 as a starter is pretty definitive. When will the nightmare end?
January 22nd, 2019 at 8:46 am
Be warned Tampa … I predicted this … no one can turn this team around as long as McCoy is on it … he’s a coach killer … hopefully he will be traded and we can move on … arians will retire if we miss playoffs