Don’t Make The Leonard Fournette Mistake
January 3rd, 2019
Things will get interesting around One Buc Palace if Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins declares for the NFL Draft, which now seems likely.
Not only would the Bucs be sitting with the No. 5 overall pick, the four teams drafting ahead of them presumably will not select a starting QB (Cardinals, 49ers, Jets, Raiders). There’s speculation now that Haskins could become a No. 1 overall pick.
Wherever Haskins could land, his presence in the draft would be good for the Bucs, assuming he’s selected before them or the Bucs trade down to a team that wants him.
But what about Tampa Bay drafting Haskins and having him and America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, on the roster?
Former Bucs GM Mark Dominik said today on WDAE-AM 620 that the Bucs would be “reckless” not to be considering drafting Haskins at No. 5 overall (assuming he comes out) because the team has not committed to Jameis for the long term, and because he could be another Patrick Mahomes or DeShaun Watson.
Dominik was adamant that the Bucs make sure they don’t make the Leonard Fournette mistake that he believes Jacksonville did, drafting Fournette No. 4 overall last year because they insisted Blake Bortles was their quarterback at all costs.
“You can’t do that. You’ve got to evaluate these quarterbacks correctly and it shouldn’t stop Tampa from taking one if they if they feel like another one can compete or be better [than Jameis],” Dominik said.
“Reckless” is the word Dominik used to describe a potential Bucs mindset that would put full confidence in Jameis and pass on deeply exploring quarterback options in the 2019 draft.
Joe agrees with Dominik’s premise, there should be no harm — and a lot of potential good — in drafting a guy you believe can be a franchise quarterback for the next 15 years — if your scouting tells you that he is just that.
However, Joe doesn’t think the Fournette/Jacksonville analogy is the best one.
Fournette helped the Jaguars get to within a breath of the Super Bowl last season, and Bortles played very well in the playoffs. The better analogy is Andy Dalton and the Bengals.
Dalton, a three-time Pro Bowler and 29 years old before last year’s draft, had six seasons under his belt and the Bengals already knew he was good but not great.
With the No. 9 overall pick, the Bengals drafted wide receiver John Ross and Mahomes went at No. 10 to Kansas City while Watson was taken at No. 12 by Houston.
Joe is all in favor of the Bucs doing their complete homework on quarterbacks in this draft.
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:35 am
Haskins, ugh….over hyped Ohio State QB….same old
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:39 am
Nooooooooooooooo Thanks!!!!!!!!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:39 am
No on the qb the bucs are so far away from being in the playoffs combined with gumps horrible drafting and FA moves. Get the OL fixed, get a legit NFL rb
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:40 am
He reminds me of a teddb bridgewater type guy. only was you draft a QB at 5 is if he is a way better option than Jameis like a luck type of QB
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:41 am
Problem is this coming year the Bucs have more pressing matters with a bad Left Tackle and questions at Cornerback, Linebacker and/or Safety (not to mention the possible loss of DT McCoy).
The likelihood of getting Best Available Offensive Tackle at the 5th overall is a better move (improving at LOT improves the passing game and anchors the whole OL) and then getting a decent QB in the Second Round (someone who can profit as a backup/bencher while Jameis plays out a year to prove if he stays or goes) seems a smarter move.
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:45 am
Get the left tackle. I’d rather see how Jameis does with a very good left tackle on our team than see how he does with a very good tackle on another team.
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:46 am
Nope. He reminds me of Byron Leftwich. Better QB’s are available next year plus too many holes elsewhere that need to be addressed. Drafting him creates an immediate QB controversy that would go all year long. If you thought the Fitzpatrick stuff was a problem…
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:48 am
Winston’s turnovers drive me nuts but I don’t think there is better options at this time draft/FA or otherwise. Winston should finish out next year at the very least and then we can evaluate from there. Next years class of QB’s is looking a little more promising and if Winston bombs out we will likely be picking early again anyways.
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:50 am
hey, they put all eggs in the crabman basket when saying he is the qb ahead of getting a new coach
own it.
this would be freeman meltdown for giving him competition 2.0….or is it 3.0 at this point
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:51 am
Wow !! I agree with all of you talking OL and RB, I don’t know enough about the OHIO QB to speak on him, but Defense wins championships, great OL gives you a QB long term !!!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:56 am
we have 6 ups drivers and 5 insurance salesmen starting on defense and you guys want OL
GTFO lol
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:01 pm
Haskins has accuracy issues and doesn’t react well to pressure.
So, perfect Bucs QB?
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:03 pm
Cardale Jones. JT Barrett. How’d those work out??
And this kid is just a red-shirt Sophomore anyway. At a minimum, he should stay at Ohio State at least 1 more year regardless of Urban Meyer leaving. Needs more seasoning. Ain’t no way in hell he will be able to pick up the blitzing schemes of the NFL, the speed of DLine and LB corps. And in his interviews, etc…doesn’t exactly come across like a rocket scientist, either.
He’s no Deshaun Watson, that’s for sure.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:08 pm
I’d be cool trading down with the Jags if we snag their 2020 first round pick.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:08 pm
That’s why Dominick does not have a job in the NFL. He would use the fifth pick on a team with so many other needs.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:08 pm
Rather go all in on making the O-Line exxcellent and get a RB–maybe a Fournette trade(not for draft picks–use GMC), get quality offensive line coach, work on it and if Jameis still is a turnover machine/whatever than get a QB in 2020. Don’t settle for Haskins–go for Tua in 2020
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:10 pm
PaulWartenberg Says:
The likelihood of getting Best Available Offensive Tackle at the 5th overall is a better move”
Elita Vita Says:
Get the left tackle. I’d rather see how Jameis does with a very good left tackle”
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Definitely onboard with you guys. Well said. — Look at how focusing on the OL in drafts has brought Indianapolis back from the ashes. It is also what brought Dallas back into contention a few years ago.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:13 pm
Get Johna Williams.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:14 pm
Shut up Dominik. U r an idiot
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:15 pm
Get L. Bell top running back 1st rd. Greedy Williams and 2nd safety from Alabama
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:19 pm
Remember, Dom is the guy who doubled at all positions with premium picks (Price/McCoy, Bowers/Clayborn), so that’s not it, ex-chief.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:24 pm
24 years old coming off 14 TD: 2 INT (when taking out hail mary/ pass off WR hands); 7.9 YPA, 64% completion; after he came back into the Giants game. Basically the best 7 game stretch of Winston’s career in terms of cutting down on turnovers and playing efficient ball. Robbed of a few wins where we had leads late in that stretch.
Yeah what a scary risk to take. I’m sure drafting a QB round 1 won’t play out into some horrible QB sh1t show scenario.
This is so f*cking basic lol.
1. Winston succeeds – QB solved for another 5-10-15 years
2. Winston bombs – new coach gets his new QB in a better QB draft in 2020.
Stop over thinking this / listening to Mark Dominik lol
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:28 pm
Act like you want to select the first qb, make some desperate team give up a few picks to grab him, and get better O lineman and cornerback help. If America’s turnover machine melts down again under Arians or whoever, we can take a qb next year and move on. If the human ATM becomes a franchise qb with better coaching and a better offensive line, the Bucs make the playoffs. Go Bucs!
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:30 pm
I find more interesting what my grandmother, has to say about the bucs than what Dominic has to say on the bucs…..by the way she is 96 years old
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:30 pm
No way should they draft Haskins. He is not better than Winston and we need defense and develop a line that a back can run behind. Fix the running game and offense is fine. Too many holes in thee defense and Griffin is ok backup. Next year will be a stronger QB year
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:33 pm
Fix the O-line, have a bonafide running game next year.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:34 pm
This is a bad take. Like very bad.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:35 pm
Dwe Says:
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:30 pm
No way should they draft Haskins. He is not better than Winston
watch the QBs in the Play Offs when they begin in 10 days…
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:36 pm
The Fournette analogy may not be the best one, but it’s a good one. It’s a lesson as to what happens if a team sticks with a guy they are not 100% behind. The Jaguars should have drafted a QB two years ago, and the Bucs need to consider drafting a QB this year.
Jay-Miss is not the future and hasn’t shown he deserves the long term, $120+ million dollar contract.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:46 pm
And this folks is why Mark D. does not have a job in the NFL right now.
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:47 pm
Hold an auction for any teams that want Haskins at the # 5 pick. Get a haul of draft picks and make the Bucs better. Resign Winston, Hubphries & Alexander and the Bucs will fly next year.
Oh and make Bruce Arians the HC, Freddie Kitchens OC and Todd Bowles DC & look out next year
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:47 pm
Haskins looks just like JW to me – athleticism is limited, surrounded by great talent…
This we have to go Oline, we need 2 tackles and a RG…
It doesn’t matter who is playing QB if we don’t build a sound running game and protect the passer better
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:50 pm
bucfan999, I agree with you 99%…..the only 1% of disagreement is with Winston situation……..If he has a good season with new coach lets sign him and pay wahtever you have to pay……if not he better take the highway………
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:53 pm
D Rome if you don’t see the difference between Bortles and Winston you’re clearly not watching either team play. Jameis is light years better than Bortles. Just because you don’t like Jameis doesn’t mean he isn’t a decent QB with the potential to be great with better coaching, more experience, and a balanced team with a running game and a mediocre defense. The Bucs led the league in passing yards this year. Did Jameis not have anything to do with that?
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:53 pm
So now we have a failed GM giving the Idiot in Chief advice. The Bucs need a big left tackle. They need a running back and a cornerback. If this QB is there st 5, trade the pick and get a few good players. It sucks that the draft is always the topic of discussion for Tampa in January. Light needs to go b
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:54 pm
At #5 you need to draft a player who makes the pro bowl for the next 10 years. LT, DE or mlb imo. Bye I’d also try to hire the Clemson fb HC. Yes love Arians but ….
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:56 pm
So D Rome, you think Bortles and Jameis are equivalent? So tired of all the Winston bashers. The Bucs led the league in passing this year. Winston was a big reason for that. He is light years better than Bortles!
January 3rd, 2019 at 12:56 pm
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January 3rd, 2019 at 12:56 pm
Jason Licht has one final year to win. Why would he draft Haskin, when he basically would be drafting him for the next GM. Jameis Winston is QB for at least next season, we need to build around him.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:06 pm
I will keep my eye on him if he declares but like others have said, I don’t know enough to warrant a #5 selection. If he is a Mahomes type QB then we should get a glimpse and evaluate at the combine, and his pro days. Jameis needs serious competition and preferably from someone his own age.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:07 pm
is this the same DOM that said he had a feeling dirk was coming back?…..
DUM DUM is wrong yet again…..
we need trench play in the first 3 rounds:
R-1-ed oliver/quentin williams
R-2- Zach Allen
R-3- Martez Ivey or BPA OL
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!….#ADIOSDIRK!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:08 pm
biggest need is Defensive Line, now and especially when Softie McCoy is traded…Qiunnen Willams!!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:11 pm
@Robert … “we have 6 ups drivers and 5 insurance salesmen starting on defense and you guys want OL. GTFO lol.”
As poorly as our defense played this year Robert, I tend to think we would’ve done MUCH better had ALL of our projected starters made it through the entire year unscathed. I know, not at all likely, BUT … look at the POTENTIAL.
o Dline: GMC, Vea, Allen, Unrein, JPP, Curry (Nassib wasn’t there at the start but was sure a nice addition).
o LBs: LVD, Beckwith, Kwon
o CBs: Davis, Grimes, VHIII
o Safeties: Evans, Conte, Whitehead (Adams has been a awesome find but wasn’t there at the start).
That’s not a bad starting lineup … IF everyone had stayed healthy ALL season. Not gonna happen we all know, thus the REASON for DEPTH. Ours sucks, plus we now have several spots to fill with FAs.
However, the Bucs starting offense (unlike our starting defense) made it through the season relatively unscathed. We had ONE good RB (Barber) & he played in every game. Our starting OLine stayed relatively healthy, as did our WRs for the most part (our WR depth certainly helped there). We lost OJ, but not until the 2nd half of the season. We always had 3 healthy QBs available (although one was admittedly suspended for a little bit).
The reason I mention that is because our OFFENSE is closer to making a huge improvement IMO than our defense is. Our offense put up 24.8 PPG average on the season, but that’s misleading IMO … it was erratic as all git out (48 pts against the Saints but only 3 pts against the Redskins?). Our defense was also erratic (giving up 48 pts to the Bears but only 9 pts to the 49ers?), just not AS ERRATIC.
We can FIX the offense by adding 3 OLinemen (remember, Donovan is a FA) PLUS 1-2 RBs (OK, and a kicker for good measure). With the right coaching, an offense like that, anchored by a dominant OLine, could win us the Kansas City East Award. The only real offensive piece we’d have great difficulty picking up on the FA market is LEFT TACKLE. They don’t come cheap for obvious reasons, and we’ve got tons of other NEEDS to spend our few shekels on. #5 pick for a LT.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:14 pm
This is why Dominik works for ESPN and not an NFL team.
He is an idiot.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:18 pm
I would not be opposed to taking a can’t miss QB. However Haskins has bust all over him. I have watched him in several games and he’s not even close to what Winston was in college. He has a much better OL than Winston had on top of that. Holds the ball for days, not very accurate, no thank you.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:20 pm
After evaluating Jameis for 4 seasons of play, I would take my chances with Haskins and never look back.
Based on current info, Haskins has more potential to be a successful NFL QB than Jameis does.
Jameis’ performance thus far has only bred uncertainty and doubt in his ability to be a consistent and successful QB who leads his team to success (postseason) consistently.
A betting man would bet on Haskins to have a better NFL career than Jameis.
@ Joes… Like it or not, that’s the Truth.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:26 pm
I will predict that Haskins goes #2. Cardinals will ask way too much to move off of Bosa and nobody will buy.
Betting that the trades happen during the draft this year. Not beforehand like last year& NYJs
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:28 pm
@Defense Rules……..We debated last night about the Bucs selecting a LT or a DL at #5. I think QB needs to be in that conversation.
Forget a DB at 5. That aren’t happening in a million years.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:32 pm
Yo Joe…..Is it possible for you to give a link for the Dominick interview?
I happened to catch it today and it was some of the best radio I heard on 620 in a long long time. I would say it’s a must-listem for any rabid Buc fan.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Save it for TuA
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:43 pm
J those 4 words might be the greatest plan of all. On top of That I have heard their will be others QBs that will also go in the top of that draft. Maybe even ahead of Tuo.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:44 pm
We don’t need a quarterback JW is our man we need help in our second daily. We could get a running back like L. Bell, 2 offensive lineman 1 in FA and the other in 2 nd or 3 rd round. JW has been trying to throw the ball to Jackson for the past 2 seasons and he has been off his game. When Jackson got hurt JW was a top QB. Let Jackson ass go, every offense needs a great running back to help the quarterback, and that is something we haven’t had in years.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:50 pm
We NEED a lot of things in this upcoming draft. I’m not keen on drafting a QB in the first round at all, especially given the gaping holes on the offensive line.
The smart move is to bring in legit competition for Jameis in the form of a veteran, maybe a 2nd or 3rd round pick also.
But please, we can’t ignore how ineffective this o-line is. If Jameis or any QB, for that matter, is to be successful we better get a run game and some defense.
35+ pass attempts is too much to ask to avoid turnovers.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:51 pm
The QB draft class is sooo much better next year. Just stick with JW q more year then draft a QB in 2020. Id rather trade down and take a DL or Greedy or Jonah @ 5
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:51 pm
bucs are clueless
should have traded crabman and D jax while they were worth something. AND GMC
the season was over before the deadline
hindsight is 2020 though
I’ll sign for 3.5 mill a year
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:53 pm
LOL to the “same or worse than JW” crowd. For reference here are their stats for each of their last years in college:
G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rat
JW 13 305 467 65.3 3907 8.4 7.7 25 18 145.5
DH 14 373 533 70 4831 9.1 10.3 50 8 174.1
That said – focus on the O Line – please.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:55 pm
They could also draft him , put them both thru camp see which one they like better and trade the one they don’t like , will be get more than a first rd pick back
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:58 pm
Our D line was good we just need another D end along side JPP we need a playmaker in our secondary like Greedy he has the size, speed, and he is a lockdown cornerback. He will be a upgraded Grimes.
January 3rd, 2019 at 1:59 pm
Have Evans and Adams at safety. Adams is a sleeper
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:03 pm
Robert the Bucs will hire you. But it will be 5 figures not 7.
You can be the guy behind the bench that scolds any fans that get out of line with heckling the players. Your post is the East bench.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:09 pm
^^ JJ, scolding any fans that are heckling the players????
Robert will be LEADING the hecklers!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:12 pm
I think Nassib just needs some weight room work and he will be fine at DE. Vea needs to keep turning fat into muscle and he’ll be fine. McCoy is hit and miss and a trade here could help a lot. I think for the most part, they only need a cornerback and safety for the defense. We really need Saquan caliber running back. I still don’t understand why the Bucs didn’t go after Adrian Peterson when he was available.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:13 pm
That’s why we got him on the Eastside Demon.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:14 pm
Stick with dumb dumb Jamies for at least one more year. We need to see what he can do with a good coach, good defense, and good kicker
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:15 pm
@ defense rules
Believe it was Daniel Jeramiah that thought D. Smith was the top free agent
left tackle out there. With our luck we might get a LT worse than we have,
especially if Licht is picking the free agents. I am on the fence what to do with him .He has been durable but he is slow footed against speed rushers. We may be forced to focus on just the Benonoch, Dotson side.of the line. Also the change in O-line coach might help him or some of backups waiting for a chance to play.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:17 pm
Wow! All you Jameis haters are now suddenly in favor of him getting another year… I wonder why.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:19 pm
JJ, lol gotcha!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:20 pm
Never been a McCoy basher but this year was a down year for him. At this point I don’t think he has a lot of trade value. He has played through a number of injuries the last couple of years.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:21 pm
BigMac…..as you detailed our Dline it made me think how the style of Nassib, Vita V & JPP is all similar. At least in the fact that that are consistent forces…..that will engage an OL physically all game long.
In that aspect McCoy does not fit. He is not a physically imposing force, he is a finesse player.
We may be looking at the only line McCoy has ever been on that hasn’t been built around him.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:22 pm
Wow! The sudden support of Jameis Winston is astounding. All year I’ve heard bench him, he sucks. Now today, it’s give him one more year. I wonder why?
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:23 pm
Actually Joe fournette has turned out to be a 1st round bust with a terrible attitude and probably will be released or traded this offseason
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:24 pm
Crazed Bucs Fan Says:
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:22 pm
Wow! The sudden support of Jameis Winston is astounding. All year I’ve heard bench him, he sucks. Now today, it’s give him one more year. I wonder why?
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Nothing better available
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:26 pm
75% of the NFL qbs are better, including backups
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:28 pm
I say if he dsclaees ad is there at 5 TRADE down. Get a kings ransom for the 5th overall pick. The reason I say trade down is you can get a 3rd this year and a 1st and 3rd next year and if Jameis doesn’t work out use next year’s extra pick to move up and get a QB.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:29 pm
The Dalton comparison is an excellent one! As some here have been saying for a while, #3 is good enough that the Bucs may pass up on an upgrade(s), moving forward, since they already have!! This staunch stance and commitment to #3 may also cause the Bucs to lose out on the superior coaching candidate as well. All options should always remain on the table at all times but, such a strong commitment to one player such as Dalton or #3, leaves their team stuck! Neither of these QB’s are irreplaceable.
I am certainly partial to the old adage that, “the best time to get a quarterback is when you don’t need one.” That approach has worked for many teams i.e.: the Belacheats, Chiefs, Cowboys, Packers etc. An upgrade is an upgrade and a good organization is always prepared to take advantage of a superior talent!
However, I don’t believe Haskins is worthy of consideration as the number five overall pick, is he? Acquire a boatload of picks and trade-down. Also, fire Licht before making even the first selection!
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:36 pm
So far one mock draft is thinking my way –
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
6’5 340 pounds of twisted steel and pass / run blocking appeal.
#FIXTHETRENCHES
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:38 pm
I wasn’t comparing Bortles and Winston. I was comparing the situation between both teams. My point is that the Buccaneers must draft a QB because there are too many question marks surrounding Jay-Miss. If they don’t draft a QB they will end up like Jacksonville. There were questions about Blake Bortles (just like Jay-Miss) and the Jaguars passed on Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, and Mitch Trubisky. All of them are better than Bortles.
Rock Star is absolutely correct that if the Bucs think there is someone that can compete and they like him, they have to draft him.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:40 pm
just do like the pats, draft all white dudes on offense
(O no he didn’t!!) JK of course
draft for 33/33/33% split talent, need & character
if one aint there….pass.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:43 pm
Bob in Valrico … I’m really torn on Donovan Smith. As a LT he’ll EXPECT probably $13-$15 MIL (GMC MONEY) over say 5 years or so, with a good chunk guaranteed. That’s a BIG commitment to make to someone who played the way Donovan did this year. I’d love to re-sign him as a GUARD … for Guard $$$ … and I think he might end up accepting that (how many teams are going to pay him $15 mil to be their LT?). Donovan’s BIG, he’s STURDY, he’s YOUNG, he’s EXPERIENCED … all positives IMO. BUT … he’s not a leader, he doesn’t seem to have a ‘killer instinct’, not a great run blocker, and he gets beat quite regularly in pass protection. If an upgrade at LT is available for similar money, I say go for it.
And JimmyJack, this isn’t the year to draft a QB to replace Jameis IMO (IF in fact he NEEDS to be replaced after next year). We’ve got much greater NEEDS right now (fix those and perhaps Jameis will finally show everyone that he deserved to be the 2015 #1 pick). 2020 has several interesting prospects it sounds like.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:45 pm
Dominick surely makes a very sound argument. The way I summarize it is this……..you better not ever overlook the QB position during the draft.
QB is the most important positions in all of sports.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:51 pm
GhostofSchiano … Jonah Williams of Alabama (#8) & Greg Little of Ole Miss (#17) are both rated quite a bit higher than Jawaan Taylor of Florida (#35). However, that MAY create a great trade-down scenario with some team who desperately wants a particular QB or other player (i.e., we might be able to get Taylor PLUS a stud DT/DE by trading down with the right team). Wait, given Lapdog’s record with 2nd rnd picks, I retract that.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:51 pm
Defense Rules……Do you think D.Smith should be considered for a contract next year?
I think he has some abilities that are worth considering.
Maybe we can bring in a QB whisper for Jamies and a LT whisper for Donavan?
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:52 pm
Haskins is less accurate than Winston. We have a qb that deserves a shot. Ryan Griffin. Bucs can draft a qb in forth to seventh round. We need a lot of help on the o-line and defensive backfield long before we need a qb.
January 3rd, 2019 at 2:58 pm
There are several teams behind us in the draft who need QBs…..if Haskins is there at 5 then someone will want him……if he goes earlier than 5 then perhaps the next QB will be a trade down possibility……
We are in a great position to trade the pick…..and we need multiple players.
2 Oline, 1 Dline, RB, CB
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:06 pm
So…people are going to trust the opinion of a guy they ran out of town?
Yeah…sure.
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:10 pm
That is why Mark Dominik will always be a TV & Radio Analyst and NEVER land another front office job. How about picks like Daquan Bowers & Arelious Benn in the 2nd round & trading a 2nd round pick for Kellen Winslow? Why waste your ink on a Mark Dominik Joe? I get it, another feeble attempt to bring out the Jameis HATERS! What a joke u r!!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:12 pm
“So…people are going to trust the opinion of a guy they ran out of town?”
Pablo says I will trust his opinion over yours.
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:14 pm
Trade pick, Trade GMC
DL, DE and CB are TOP priority
OL and RB priority, but don’t use a high pick on RB and OL can be gotten in FA
(and with proper QB play and OC play calling, a LOT of those problems will fix themselves)
although have an FA OL guys worked out? SMH
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:18 pm
I don’t think Tampa wants another quarterblack… oops, qauterback. I actually like Jameis, but this kid has magic! Legit magic. Not “Fitzmagic”.
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:19 pm
Joe I sincerely apologize for the remarks I made about yo.Will you plz take me out of jbf jail
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:28 pm
Dominck knows his QBs. He brought us the gift of Glennon. Loved that guy!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:37 pm
Crazed Bucs Fan Says:
“I don’t think Tampa wants another quarterblack”
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Doesn’t matter if it’s “quarterblack” or “quarterwhite”, CBF, lol… I don’t think too many people care about that.
Jameis is definitely going to earn a long term deal next year.
If you guys are more comfortable drafting someone in a high round as a backup, go for it.
But Jameis will be fine.
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:38 pm
@Bonzai … “So…people are going to trust the opinion of a guy they ran out of town?” Why not Bonzai. You’re trusting the opinion of a GM whose W-L record was worse than his over a 5-yr period. Personally I’d rather listen to Joe the Plumber rather than EITHER one of them.
@TBBF … We are in a great position to trade the pick…..and we need multiple players. 2 Oline, 1 Dline, RB, CB.” Couldn’t agree more TBBF … we could use ALL of those in the draft. PLUS a 3rd OLineman (we now have THREE starting holes IMO, and I’d also add a starting-caliber MLB to that pot (still not sold on Kwon as a MLB … IF we re-sign him at all … and also not sold that Beckwith will be back to his old self given the severity of his ankle injury).
Good chance too that we can fill the starting CB & RB NEEDS in free agency IF we’re willing to spend the $$$.
January 3rd, 2019 at 3:40 pm
told yall
3.5 mill and I solve all yo problems. QB 1st thing on my list.
joe will start the petition
January 3rd, 2019 at 4:01 pm
The Bucs should pass on the QBs in this upcoming draft, it’s a weak class overall, we have seen what happens to teams when they overdraft QBs.
January 3rd, 2019 at 4:20 pm
Wait for tua
January 3rd, 2019 at 4:32 pm
how stupid is this mess you need o line help and you talking about a qb?
January 3rd, 2019 at 4:45 pm
Oh boy. The winston knob slobberers are once again cherry picking only part of the season to make the case for JW. Last year it was “the last four games of the year”. Blah blah blah. He sucks. We are doomed.
January 3rd, 2019 at 4:53 pm
We were one good draft class away from the playoffs and licht screwed it up. Somehow he continues to get a pass
January 3rd, 2019 at 5:39 pm
If he enters the draft, Get the kid!!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 5:59 pm
Let’s not make the Mike Glennon mistake, either. He was taken ahead of Terron Armstead, Saints Pro Bowl Left Tackle. In the Bucs defense, we never would have developed this small college gem, IMHO.
January 3rd, 2019 at 6:00 pm
‘Now today, it’s give him one more year. I wonder why?’
Short answer. Because there is literally nobody else of value to be had. JW hasn’t necessarily looked great to all of us…but he does look competent if he will play disciplined like the final games we’ll be at minimum OK at QB.
If he starts dropping perfect bombs into the endzone like he did with ME13 and Godwin…JW may yet reach his upside.
Many of us though do not believe JW needs to reach his “upside”. I haven’t looked for JW to carry or lead this franchise for a couple of years…I have and still look to him to continue improving and at minimum be a “good” player. If he just plays well we’ll be fine. I just don’t see QB as our pressing need for 19.
January 3rd, 2019 at 6:16 pm
I’m with TBBF and D.R. Work the best possible deal and convert that pick into multiple picks…the old GOAT GM Bobby Beathard’s strategy.
I get the lust for BOSA and he may be a great DE…but I wouldn’t trade up for him and he’s not going to fall to five.
Trade the picks and load up…we have soooo many needs.
And yeah in that scenario I’m with you Gator fans on the big OT and man I have to confess the few times I watched the Gators their DL impressed the hell out of me. Don’t know if any of them are ready to graduate or not but man the Gators put up some impressive play this year on the DL. I think that and the improvement of Franks at QB was instrumental in their great success. I’m not a Gator nor a Nole…I root for all Florida teams but I understand the Gator fans excitement right now!!
January 3rd, 2019 at 6:29 pm
Those of you against drafting Haskins remember this..this is a guy who shattered Drew Brees Big 10 passing records! A guy who threw 50 TDS this season and only 8 INTs while completing over 70% of his passes! Those are numbers Jameis Winston has not come anywhere close to so far in his pro career! Oh, and Haskins has never been suspended for any type of inappropriate behavior either!
I say if he’s there…TAKE HIM and let the best man win the job!
January 3rd, 2019 at 7:18 pm
@Jeagan1999
You can’t compare what a guy does in College to what another guy does in the Pros, two different competition levels. Haskins is very talented,however,the one thing the NFL draft has taught us is that, it is a crap-shoot.
January 3rd, 2019 at 8:10 pm
@Lord Cornelius
gotta chuckle at the fact you need to put an asterisk on 3 interceptions because your argument is so weak lol
January 3rd, 2019 at 8:17 pm
The only scenario I can see the Bucs drafting Haskins is if they trade Jameis to Giants for their no 1 pick.
Not likely to happen
January 3rd, 2019 at 9:58 pm
Dont know about Haskins but you cant ignore 50 TDs and only 8 picks. But our Secondary is so needing help, that needs just as much addressing. They did get better after Mike Smith was gone.
But what gets me is all the Jameis Homers who say it’s all about our Oline. Yes, they commit too many penalties but when comparing other QBs Winston gets sacked about 7% of his Attempts which is very close to QBs like M. Ryan, J. Goff, K. Cousins. But others such as Dak & D. Watson are at 11-12% and yet those guys find ways to win, have far fewer Interceptions as well.
So, the issue seems to be not going to checkdowns, an inability to read through all his progressions and most of the deep PA passes he has time to throw but he has a History of Overthrows. No wonder D. Jackson has had enough.
Don’t see a top flight Coach wanting to come here. So we will get another Coordinator or College coach.
Rather than a rookie draft why not go for Nick Foles if that were possible?
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:24 pm
Draft a QB. It doesn’t have to be with our first pick but be a good prospect. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd round. Jameis needs competition. Preferably someone his own age and has no knowledge of the playbook. Since Jameis also doesn’t know the playbook it puts both QB’s on even terms going into camp. Can a rookie college QB actually, out learn and out play Jameis in an equal and fair competition? (although Jameis should be better at reading NFL defenses)
or is he?
January 3rd, 2019 at 11:52 pm
As a Buckeye fan I watched every game Haskins played. I would be thrilled if the Bucs take him. He’s the first legit NFL QB that the Buckeyes have produced since… well, ever.
January 4th, 2019 at 2:41 am
How about fans not offer ANY advice on draft picks? I’ve personally drafted a helluva lot better, at least in the first 3 rounds, than the Bucs have over the past four seasons, yet I’m not sending applications to join the Bucs staff any time soon because I’m far from qualified.
These idiot Glazer boys need to hire a legitimate consulting firm and have them find a GM and a HC. Get rid of amateurs like Licht and bring in real football people.
January 4th, 2019 at 7:55 am
All the teams that pick before us need OL picks. We sell the #5 pick to the Jags/Giants who need a QB and we pick Greedy Williams…
January 4th, 2019 at 8:41 am
Look at that throwing motion in the picture, ehhh!
Isn’t the nose of the football supposed to be a lot more down? He sails way too many balls..