Did Arians Box In Team Glazer?
January 9th, 2019
Curious comment on national TV.
Very interesting words today from new Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians as he appeared on national television and radio via the “The Rich Eisen Show.”
Virtually all of the NFL world has said at one time or another in recent weeks that this coming 2019 season is a make-or-break season for America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston. Some naive souls (Joe is trying to be kind and polite) suggested Jameis would be cut because he is not worth being paid as the 19th-most expensive quarterback in the NFL.
Well, apparently either Team Glazer has a far different view of Jameis or Arians used his leverage to change Team Glazer’s mind.
While speaking to Eisen, Arians went nearly overboard talking about Jameis when he said of Jameis, “Everything is going to be built around him.”
Well, let’s think about this for a moment. How exactly can anyone build a football team around a quarterback if the quarterback is only going to be around for one year? That’s pretty impossible if not irresponsible.
Could it be that, with Arians knowing Jameis for years and confident in his abilities, negotiated with Team Glazer that he would only come to Tampa if Jameis got an extension?
This is all very interesting to Joe.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:02 pm
For sure extension is coming soon
January 9th, 2019 at 4:03 pm
I am confident Jamies will sign a long term contract with the Bucs. My guess is it wont happen until the end of the year.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:08 pm
I think the Glazers wanted Winston regardless…..but talk is talk…..Arians could always change his mind at a later date……
This guy knows QBs….perhaps better than anyone in the NFL……and he has had a keen interest in Jameis since HS……
I, for one, will trust him on this…..until I don’t.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
He’s easy to build around if he’s available. The big question is has he learned his lesson? Unfortunately, it’s the same question we all had when he was drafted. I guess if it all happens again we have no choice because the NFL will figure it out for us.
As for his talent, there is no doubt he can it all.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
The haters meltdown will be glorious.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:11 pm
If Bruce can fix Jameis and turn us into a winner, he will have a chance to be considered the best coach in Franchise History. And that’s not an understatement.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:15 pm
1st 4 seasons in the NFL:
P. Manning 81 int & 21 fumbles = 102
J. Winston 58 int & 38 fumbles = 96
E. Manning 77 int & 34 fumbles = 111
J. Elway 65 int & 35 fumbles = 100
A. Luck 55 int & 32 fumbles = 87
A. Manning 58 int & 29 fumbles = 87
Winston’s performance is on par with QB’s generally considered “great”
January 9th, 2019 at 4:16 pm
How could he box them in, when the whole coaching search was based on fixing jw3?????????????? Some are naive to think that money was not discussed earlier, but the truth is that the first question is “Do you like jw3”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And to think otherwise is naive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
“I’m about to whoop somebody’s a$$”
It’s a Football Life – Bruce Arians
January 9th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
You know what they say about a fool and his money………….
January 9th, 2019 at 4:27 pm
i just hope bruce builds a defense around him…..he has the weapons and coaching…..
get the kid a defense….
#WINSTON=2019SCAPEGOAT!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
Bruce Arians has a book I recommend all Bucs fans should buy
It’s called “The QB Whisperer: How to build an Elite NFL QB”
Obviously Bruce Arians is one of the best developers of NFL QBs of all time, just look at the track record. So, If he can’t turn Jameis around no one will.
There will be no more excuses for Jameis moving forward with Bruce Arians as his coach and Todd Bowels as the DC. Bowels is the real deal when it comes to defensive coordinators.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:31 pm
How do we know that Licht and the Glazers didn’t box in Arians.
If you want the job prove your loyalty to our #1 pick. If Arians had brought any skepticism to the table…even justifiable questions…he might not have the job today.
JW still rules in the Glazers hierarchy.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:32 pm
I am on board. Having been doing some research on him and watch A Football Life about him and I’m sold. This was a great hire!! Todd Bowel as the DC is awesome. Go Bucs!!
January 9th, 2019 at 4:33 pm
how does bruce stack up against the other coaches in our division….
all others have led their team to the SB as HC….i know bruce got his a$$ handed to him by ron a few years back…..
#1-sean payton
#2-ron riveria
not sure after that….
#WINSTON=2019SCAPEGOAT!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 4:36 pm
Could just keep tagging him like skins did with Cousins. That and Bruce is a confident man, sure Winston has struggled but BA was brought here to help him grow. I am excited to see how he can help him improve his game.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:37 pm
But only the Bucs and Saints have a SB trophy. In twenty years no one cares your got to the SB.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:38 pm
BrianBucs Says:
January 9th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
You know what they say about a fool and his money………….
You know what they say about a fool and his message board
January 9th, 2019 at 4:42 pm
Get ready to see a brand new JW. Consistently good JW. Like the Atlanta game. He’s never had this level of support. Dirk never wanted him. He wanted Mariota. Lol! That would have been and disaster.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
Jeff Says
If anyone has ever worked for someone who does not want you then they do not know what Winston has been going thru since being drafted.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:51 pm
Excerpt from BA’s book
“The most important relationship a head coach has on his team isn’t with the other coaches, the owner or the general manager,” Arians said in his book. “It’s with the quarterback. He’s the one who runs the show on the field; He’s the ultimate extension of his coach. If there isn’t a high level of mutual trust between them, both coach and quarterback will be doomed.”
Explains why Koetter failed.
January 9th, 2019 at 4:54 pm
When did Chris Reeshard ever lead a team to a SB as a HC?
January 9th, 2019 at 5:00 pm
I know those QB stats are mostly from a different era but Luck is only 29 and this wasn’t long ago. And I remember everyone basically proclaiming him god through his first few years. His 4th year was worse than Jameis 4th year (15 TD:12 INT).
Weird how wildly different the media treated the 2 – just in terms of on the field analysis and basically labeling Jameis an almost-bust and Luck a guy you’d extend for 10 years even with his injury.
And I get it – Luck took his team to the playoffs and had a huge 3rd season. But big picture wise WInston’s #’s aren’t very different from Luck’s progression. Would have been interesting to see a non-hurt Winston 2017 or non-suspended 2018.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:03 pm
Everything has already been built around Jay-Miss! Not too many QBs in the NFL have been gifted as many targets. Backstabbin’ Jason Licht has tried, and failed, to improve the running game with draft picks and improve protection by drafting Marpet, Smith, Benonoch, and Cappa. He tried to improve the line by signing J.R. Sweezy and Ryan Jensen.
I mean, my goodness…what *more* can be done to build around Jay-Miss? Replace Dotson? Replace Smith? Lets say they draft a new LT and RT, but Jay-Miss fails. Are fans going to say, “He failed because he had rookies at the ends!”
Joe, I know you’re digging for nuggets of information and you have a habit of taking the littlest things said and running with it. Nothing wrong with that, obviously. There is no question over the past four years it’s **ALL** been about building around #3.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:05 pm
Aahh yes, a QB Guru tells the Glazer Boyz that he’ll take the HC job and ‘fix Jameis’ in the process, IN EXCHANGE FOR … (fill in the blanks). Anyone want to guess how the rest of the negotiations went?
January 9th, 2019 at 5:08 pm
swifty
the year after bruce did…..
#WINSTON=2019SCAPEGOAT!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 5:10 pm
DR
probably complete control along with millions…lol….
#WINSTON=2019SCAPEGOAT!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
“Everything is going to be built around him.”
TRADE BACK IN THE FIRST FOR GREG LITTLE + RG BPA ROUND 2 + KAREEM HUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s some building around Jameis for your a$$!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
Umm Lord that’s not the big picture. That’s a smaller detail.
What you said was on point about the playoffs. Ultimately when you look at Winston you see 5-11. Then 5-11. You can also look and see 12 consecutitive road losses.
W-L record does matter for any QB. It always has and it always will. You can’t doll up Winston with stats, you can wipe your rear with them.
Nobodies outside of Tampa is ever going to remember any of these stats. They will barely remember our QB because his season was over in week 17 with all the other losers. Nobody cares about losers.
There has never been a QB to earn a bunch of respect in this league that can’t get into the postsason. Winston is no different then any other QB……..He will continue to be a footnote in this league as long as he continues to lose.
He will never be considered a good QB without winning. Never, not ever…. …Maybe in a few Bucs fans heads but that’s it.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:15 pm
SOE you can’t trade back just cause you wanna.
Nobody’s going to even want the 5 pick. My guess is the Cardinals pick will be the hot ticket. They might be most willing to deal.
Anything can happen but trade opnions likely won’t be there.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
im asking a serious question…i aint trying to be funny….i want to know how ranks fans bruce in the division….
#WINSTON=2019SCAPEGOAT!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
Proper coaching is what Winston did not have. When Monken says a few years ago how effective Winston was outside of the pocket, then Koetter openly says he took all those plays out of his playbook I just don’t know what to think. Winston was discouraged from running until this year.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
Joe, I swear you are a conspiracy theorist, sometimes people say things in the moment and you’re reaching a bit here.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:21 pm
Anyone…would (as has been told to us) say anything they can, to supplement their retirement plan BIGTIME by $8-9 million annually on a 4 year guaranteed contract (minimum) to delegate to all sorts of assistants. Whether Bruce kept his no income tax state homestead in Arizona, or relocates to Tampa, in another no state income tax homestead…..$8-9 million annually TIMES FOUR, will allow any soon-to-be 67 year old, say just about anything.
(See Todd Bowles OFFSET LANGUAGE granted by Team Glazer in his deal to be DC, so that Todd can DOUBLE-DIP on the J-E-T-S JETS, JETS, JETS.)
No concern for what @Joe thinks Arians is making or not…
Always, right here. Yup.
Jameis has some promise, but $32 mill minimum pre-tax here in Florida to supplement the retirement and medical bills, combined with “missing the battle and camaraderie” is a decent chunk of coin.
Yup.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:22 pm
Or maybe and likely the scenario is the coach we wanted had to build around Winston. Why does Arians have to say the only way I’ll coach is with Winston if the glazers love Winston so much. Sometimes you guys unnecessarily complicate things. Before the coaching search it was announced he was going to be back so it’s not hard to conclude they want to find someone who can help him succeed not someone that has to black mail them into keeping Winston.
There are a lot of fans and national media who don’t like Winston they are really ignored for the most part. I expect him to improve don’t root for him to fail or expect it because is the fastest route to the playoffs not some rookie quarterback, not this year anyway. If he can’t improve with Arians I do wonder if he would feel obligated to keep trying or move on because of that relationship. This fan base needs you to step up Winston, your the reason they doubt you lol and Dirk
January 9th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
“W-L record does matter for any QB”
Yeah for sure. That’s all casual fans or the media care about.
That’s not big picture to me at all though as much as that’s just the lazy way of looking at QBs.
Drew Brees – in his prime and experienced – had 3 losing seasons in a row recently.
Philip Rivers – from 2010 to 2017 – missed the playoffs 7 of 8 seasons.
Those guys should have lost their jobs a long time ago apparently going off of the playoff requirement.
Hell Kirk Cousins never made the playoffs this year and is the highest paid QB in the league lol
January 9th, 2019 at 5:34 pm
and lol @ the idea of BA needing $$ bad for retirement right now
January 9th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
Jimmy Jack
Love your posts but might have to disagree a bit. I do agree you obviously need a trading partner who wants something in order to trade. And five is at the cusp.
But the OSU QB coming out and other players will make things more attractive as time rolls on.
If we keep five I want us to think more “generational” player than position. Then again the fact that we need so many positions filled means we have actually got a better chance of finding a generational player.
Right now I lean towards Greedy Williams…he not only fills a huge need at CB I think he might be generational or at least close to it.
Not many 6-2…6-3 CB’s out there. Next best CB is 5-10. Greedy has a perfect attitude for a DB…he’s the anti Brent Grimes…if someone told him to follow Antonio Brown he might say follow? I want to BLANKET him. He’s a rare “long” DB who is so athletic he can also cover quick small guys.
Think BA might appreciate another Patrick Peterson? Yeah Peterson is one of the best so I don’t want to compare Greedy to him….yet.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:38 pm
Great point Lord Cornelius
January 9th, 2019 at 5:41 pm
Jameis has this next year to prove it. Simple as that. No (coaching) excuses left.
I hope BA is some magic elixir to fix Jameis, but given what I’ve seen through 4 years, color me skeptical. Sure hope he turns Jameis into a real NFL QB, but also remember POTENTIAL is a four letter word in the NFL.
Jameis realizing his #1 pick potential is what all Bucs fans should want and hope for, but I think it’s pretty naive to just assume it’s a sure thing with BA in charge. Remember off the field and on the field football intelligence are very different. Koetter didn’t tell Jameis to turn the ball over that’s for sure. We saw in hard knocks that his message was pretty clear that Jameis needed to fix that aspect of this game.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:45 pm
and byron leftwich is being groomed to replace arians in the future and is calling the plays.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:48 pm
“Kobe wants to know if Todd Bowles body is fat or muscle?
very deceiving
Looks like he is wearing those shirts with padded fake muscles
What is it? strange indeed”
Kobe Faker
January 9th, 2019 at 5:53 pm
Jameis will be afforded OPPORTUNITY, and with a superior coach. You are insane if you think the Glazers are going to extend Jameis’ contract before he plays a down this season.
It’s make or break. PERIOD!
I mean why would we treat Jameis different than anyone else?
January 9th, 2019 at 5:54 pm
Omg where did you get that picture? His high school yearbook? He looks like the guy that took Carrie to the Prom then got killed by the bucket of pigs blood.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:02 pm
quite the reach. sounds like a coach trying to put the controversy to bed and instill confidence into his young QB. next!
January 9th, 2019 at 6:12 pm
Jameis will get an extension if earned.
Licht isn’t that stupid. Far to inconsistent to be offered an extension without pro playing well next season.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:14 pm
I have a video of Gene Deckerhoff calling Mike Evans Keyshawn Gimme the ball Johnson as Mikes hauling in a bomb from Jameis against the giants. Let me know if you want it ahaha
January 9th, 2019 at 6:26 pm
Mike Johnson is officially back on the Bucs bandwagon again after a hiatus of a few years. Somehow, the Arians/Bowles hiring has a..different feel than the Koetter/Smitty did. I beleive out of all the hired NFl coaches thus far, We have made the best choice. Sometimes the stars align themselves right for your team. Our time to shine again may be on the horizon..once we get our Defense fixed.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:31 pm
Could it be that Winston isn’t the one who needed fixing? Having a head coach that publicly shows confidence in the QB is a big part of this narrative and hiring.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:38 pm
Greg Little = D. Smith Jonas Williams should be the pick. Hands down. I still think this will be JW prove it year.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:39 pm
JimmyJack & Lord C … Great points (pro & con) about Jameis. I tend to be of the opinion that this is a ‘prove it’ year for him, BUT … I’m also of the opinion that Jameis NEEDS ‘help’ if he’s going to be successful. No revelation there BTW, all QBs NEED help to be successful.
To improve, I think he NEEDS:
1 – A better OLine (protection = time = fewer turnovers).
2 – A better running game (see #1 PLUS add RBs who can keep the defenses off-balance).
3 – Better play-calling (again to keep defenses off-balance).
4 – A Better defense (playing from behind has been devastating, while playing from ahead gives us a lot more flexibility in terms of play-calling especially).
5 – Better QB coaching (still seeing too many ‘weaknesses’ in Jameis that should’ve been worked out by now).
Bruce Arians, the QB Whisperer, seems to have the background & experience to fix all 5 of those, some through his hands-on & others through the people who he brings with him. Git er done Coach.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:43 pm
I think it is simply confidence in Jameis combined with a winning approach.
Proceed with confidence!
January 9th, 2019 at 6:46 pm
First Down Tampa Bay Says:
“If Bruce can fix Jameis and turn us into a winner, he will have a chance to be considered the best coach in Franchise History.”
I agree and would up that from “Franchise History” to “NFL History”
January 9th, 2019 at 6:46 pm
Whatever we do, there are no “Smith’s” allowed on the coaching staff
January 9th, 2019 at 6:48 pm
Defense
I think every team says that exact same thing. If literally any team in the nfl had what you listed then they would be contenders
January 9th, 2019 at 7:09 pm
TexBuc Says:
January 9th, 2019 at 4:15 pm
1st 4 seasons in the NFL:
P. Manning 81 int & 21 fumbles = 102
J. Winston 58 int & 38 fumbles = 96
E. Manning 77 int & 34 fumbles = 111
J. Elway 65 int & 35 fumbles = 100
A. Luck 55 int & 32 fumbles = 87
A. Manning 58 int & 29 fumbles = 87
Winston’s performance is on par with QB’s generally considered “great”.
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Only God knows who was blessed with the most or the best raw talent overall to start with. I have looked at Archie Manning, John Elway and Peyton Manning as the most talented in my estimation. I just haven’t seen enough games of Andrew Luck to have an opinion about him.
John Elway and Brett Favre have been the two quarterbacks that I have compared Winston with in my mind as I have watched him for the past four years. This was only because they were the guys who I did get to watch the most.
Jamies’ story will only be known in 12 or 15 more years a far as I am concerned. If he doesn’t come away with at least two Super Bowl rings before the end of his career I will be surprised. (This of course precludes some kind of career ending injury or something else way beyond what anybody could predict of course.)
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Go Bucs!!!!
P.S. I believe that the arrival of Bruce Arians will prove to be the most significant turning point in Winston’s career.
The football gods are emphatically smiling down on Winston, the Glazers and most importantly of all, the long suffering Tampa Bay Buccaneer fans! Wahooooooo!!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 7:34 pm
3 is easily the most talented buc of all time. In the same league as selmon and sapp. He surpassed the coat tail riding has beens draft night.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:46 pm
Dirks Great granpappy … Think back to the reasons/excuses that we’ve heard for as to why Jameis has had ‘difficulties & issues’ these past 4 years. Did I leave any out in that list of five? And yes, fix those and we’ll be ‘contenders’ … with Jameis at the helm.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
Now that you don’t have a wishy washy clown around commenting about your first overall pick, you see that this is how you deal with that position. Arians came back to this job because of A, the QB, and B, he doesn’t think it’s going to be a hard fix, and I agree. All of the pieces are already there with a good FA and draft class.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:58 pm
813, respect your question but it can’t be answered yet. He could be #4. He could be #1. We will watch together.
January 9th, 2019 at 8:03 pm
TexBuc ,
It’s funny though that morons who keep calling him a turnover machine gloss over these numbers when trying to make their point that he’s terrible. He finally has a real coach now, and if you don’t notice, Arians is setting his guys up this time to keep coaching with this same foundation after he’s gone in 3 or 4 years. I told you right here that Koetter would be a disaster three years ago, and surprise, I was right. On that same token, Arians will be a smashing success. So glad for Jameis that he finally gets a shot to reach his potential.
January 9th, 2019 at 9:15 pm
This whole ‘weapons for winston’ narrative has truly gotten the less knowledgeable fans to buy into the idea that Jameis has been given everything under the sun to succeed, and that he should be an MVP by now. It’s such a thick headed argument; almost like a surface analysis with no critical thinking involved.
It’s like, great, we got him a bunch of receivers, one of whom is a straight DIVA. So f***ing what? Doesn’t anyone realize quarterbacks need defense, rushing attacks (one where the qb isn’t the second leading rusher on the season and leading rusher 3 out of 9 games…) and a kicker who can get points out of a drive if we drive into FG range, to reach any sort of potential in the NFL? What about the protection up front? Are any of you going to honestly sit there and argue that either the pass or run blocking has been anywhere NEAR acceptable? Don’t you need that to actually GET the football to these ‘weapons’? Especially in such a high-risk downfield passing attack? Do offensive concepts & philosophy even matter to ya’ll or is it not worth your time to understand the nuances of football? Maybe it doesn’t matter, and that’s why you all strut like pigeons with your regurgitated opinions.
So, tell me again what infallible pieces have been put in place around him that he should hands down be Aaron Rodgers-South by the age of 25. Bruce Arians is patiently awaiting your response…
January 9th, 2019 at 9:16 pm
Unless Licht can lock down Jameis for a reduced rate, then there’s no justifiable reason to extend him.
No team is going to pay Jameis what he’s worth (or, rather, potentially worth.) He has too many off the field issues and turnovers to command top dollar.
More importantly, more and more teams have *their* franchise QB.
If Licht and Arians believe in Jameis, then extend him, at a team friendly rate. Otherwise, there’s too many questions and not enough cap space to justify that.
January 9th, 2019 at 9:33 pm
LoveOjwithcrablegs, I have noticed that while Keyshawn and Mike are two diiferrent wide receivers and two very different characters they have at least one trait in common. They could/can get you clutch first downs over and over again.
They both should be remembered for keeping drives alive. Mike has additional traits that make him so very valuable.
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Go Bucs!!!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 9:39 pm
Thank you Primech. Well said! How about just an average RB. I think Peyton Barber is a hard-working give it all he’s got kind of dude, but honestly, he’s just not that talented and not blessed with speed. No way on Earth does he start for any other NFL team. One thing I promise you is that Bruce Arians will not have Peyton as his starting RB. It wouldn’t shock me if ROJO becomes that guy. Don’t even get me started on our defense holding Jameis back. If your defense is a sieve, obviously you fell like you have to make a play every time you have the ball. Clearly going to lead to too many turnovers. Bruce and staff are a league of extraordinary gentlemen as it relates to football. I’m really psyched that we got Bowles. I was worried that he would land in Chicago.
January 9th, 2019 at 10:13 pm
@ Joes,
Arians is confident is his ability to get Jameis over the hump…
January 9th, 2019 at 10:14 pm
*in his ability to get Jameis over the hump…
January 9th, 2019 at 10:20 pm
Kieth Armstrong new Bucs special teams coach.
On December 31, 2012, NFL.com reported that Armstrong was expected to be interviewed by the Chicago Bears for the head coaching position after Lovie Smith’s firing.[1] He also met with the Philadelphia Eagles about possibly replacing Andy Reid. [2]
In the 2016 season, Armstrong and the Falcons reached Super Bowl LI, where they faced the New England Patriots. In the Super Bowl, the Falcons fell in a 34–28 overtime defeat.[3]
On January 9, 2019, Armstrong agreed to become special teams coordinator of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, rejoining the staff of Bruce Arians who was the head coach of the Temple Owls when Armstrong began his coaching career.
This guy looks like a solid ST coach & could be BA successor. More so than Leftwich.
January 9th, 2019 at 10:23 pm
JabooBuc Says
“The big question is has he learned his lesson?”
Come on, now.
It has been three years since the Uber thing…and that was still never proven other than that he was in the car.
Since then he has had a child, got engaged, started at least two charities and mentors youth. And visits school to read to kids.
Seriously. How can anyone doubt that he has improved himself?
January 9th, 2019 at 10:27 pm
TexBuc Says:
1st 4 seasons in the NFL:
P. Manning 81 int & 21 fumbles = 102
J. Winston 58 int & 38 fumbles = 96
E. Manning 77 int & 34 fumbles = 111
J. Elway 65 int & 35 fumbles = 100
A. Luck 55 int & 32 fumbles = 87
A. Manning 58 int & 29 fumbles = 87
Winston’s performance is on par with QB’s generally considered “great”
Also, keep in mind that Winston’s oline allowed a lot more hits and sacks each year, and that last year he played many games with the injured throwing shoulder…so his grip on the ball suffered.
January 9th, 2019 at 10:27 pm
If Arians get’s this team two games into the playoffs, he’ll win Coach of the Year again.
January 10th, 2019 at 6:34 am
coach already said :
“no ping pong…just beer pong after victories…men will act like men from now on”
January 10th, 2019 at 6:35 am
as a true whisper said:
“jameis doesn’t need to be fixed…just tweaked”
January 10th, 2019 at 7:56 am
Sometimes conversations here amuse me. I’m very positive and believe both BA and JW will be successful this year.
But I’m not worried about extending JW. Talk about crossing a bridge before you get there. LOL
So say JW gets to the playoffs this year. People have talked about Licht/BA extending him and then they worried about the cost.
Well if any player ever owed a team a hometown discount it’s JW after all he’s put us through. Money shouldn’t really be a problem. In 2019 before he’s able to demand what he’s worth he’ll have to suffer at just 20 million!!!!!!
If JW plays well this year he’s our franchise QB!
If JW signed a four year deal at the money he’ll command he’ll hit his prime at 30 ready to demand a kings ransom. Although I gotta say 20 million sounds like a king’s ransom to me. It’s average in the NFL and a good deal actually for the Bucs, but no matter how you look at it, it’s still a LOT of $$$$$$$$$$
January 10th, 2019 at 11:48 am
If Winston would agree to a long term deal at $25M per year sooner than later – I say Git-R-DONE!
He’s going to have to play his way into a $30+M per year long term contract though – which is in line with what the league’s top QBs are making moving forward.
The Bucs are in a pretty good position with this Winston contract situation – however it goes down. They control the rights to Winston’s services for a minimum of 3 more years via the 5th year option and then successive Franchise Tags if necessary.
January 10th, 2019 at 9:02 pm
i disagree with doubling down on jameis and lycht. bucs should have already went with the spread, every year they don’t reduces the chances of success.
jameis doesn’t win at the nfl level, and leaders win games, not coaches at this level. maybe they can try to upgrade the defense to an anti-spread defense, and quietly implement the spread, but winston isn’t the guy. why waste the money and the fans time.
these glazers are not doing well with manchester united and even worse here.