Can Bruce Arians Help Jameis?
January 9th, 2019
Vague talk.
Strange words from Deion Sanders on the fresh marriage between new Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians and America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
In a segment yesterday on NFL Network, Sanders confessed Jameis knows he needs to up his game and claimed Jameis needs help and if he gets that help, then, yes, Arians will be a success with Jameis.
Sanders did not elaborate. But this confuses Joe a great deal. What exactly did Sanders mean by this?
Did Sanders hint that the offensive line has to be better? He’s not exactly barking up a wrong tree there.
Did Sanders hint that the Bucs need a running game? He’s on the mark if that is what he meant to say.
Did Sanders hint that the Bucs need a defense that can stop a cool breeze? That’s pretty obvious.
But Jiminy Christmas, in the passing game, how much more help does Jameis need? He has tight ends up the tailpipe. He’s got a guy who looks as if he may make a run at the Pro Football Hall of Fame and surely is the best receiver this franchise has ever had. He’s got a slot receiver that may have transformed into the best in the NFL and he has a young receiver that many believe could start for other teams.
Look, Joe is a big Jameis supporter, but what more can be expected from Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht?
Joe just wishes Sanders would have taken a few seconds to explain what he meant by getting Jameis help.
You can watch the segment in question below.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:15 am
Ok Jamies apologist, no more excuses. If Jamies doesn’t take us to the playoffs or make it to the pro bowl next season he is a BUST
January 9th, 2019 at 5:23 am
Does a good coach become great by making good players great? or do great players make a good coach great?
I am of the school of thought that great players can make a good coach great. Bill Bleichick’s career in Cleveland speaks to that theory. Jon Gruden was “great” coach when he won the Superbowl in Tampa. Of course he had players like Mike Alstott, Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, Ronde Barber and John Lynch to create his greatness. When Gruden took over as GM (No official title, but really he was the GM) He was no longer viewed as a “great” coach and was fired after he was exposed as a “good” coach.
Who on the current Bucs roster is a “great player?” Mike Evans is a great player. After that?
My point is Bruce Arians is no better of a coach than Dirk Koetter. Dirk Koetter was blessed with a roster that possesses no talent on the offensive line, no talent at running back, No “great” players on defense. . . . Would Koetter have been a “great” head coach if he was given the roster that Gruden inherited?
It’s great that everyone is excited about Bruce Arians being named Head Coach but until the next Rich McKay comes along the Bucs will be a last place team for a long, long time.
January 9th, 2019 at 5:34 am
Love the new coaching hire but what you gonna get with Leftwich coaching Leftwich?
January 9th, 2019 at 5:51 am
Jay-Miss is not going to be a player that all of the sudden “gets it” by year 5. He is not who we hoped he would be, but he’s the best we have right now. Training camp should be an open competition for starting QB job. There is no fixing his bad decisions just like Dalton, Tannehill, Fitzpatrick, ect…were never fixed.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:00 am
Help as in Mental Help?
January 9th, 2019 at 6:08 am
@Richard “X’s and o’s” aside, Koetter was completely unable to instill any culture of accountability and cohesiveness among the team, and completely ignored the defense and special teams, choosing instead to delegate complete control over those units to his assistants. The fact that he continued to delegate without intervention while both units performed at an unacceptable level is yet another mark against him as a head coach. I will never argue that Koetter doesn’t know offense, but Arians will be a better head coach by default if he can simply instill accountability in the locker room and in all phases of the team.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:15 am
Joe Blahak
I agree. Leftwich and Jameis have that slow wind up mechanic throw that makes defenses heart race.
It likes an addict who is trying to kick heroine and their sponsor actually does heroine himself.
With that said , arians was the right hire for Jameis. He will get best out of Jameis and Jameis trusts him so both are in the trust tree …frank the tank style.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:31 am
Im the opposite Richard. Bill Bellicheck.would win with a blind kid.in a wheel.chair at qb. I do think its both but I give the coaches most of the credit.
Just like a chess board two players have the same pieces but…..
January 9th, 2019 at 6:32 am
Why though no other team wanted to interview BA ? did he decline?
Thomas Bassinger cooled me off a bit. Apparently BA isn’t as successful as it seemed. The dude he’s bringing as DC.. He failed with the jets, isn’t he?
Im keeping myself off the hype train this time. been burnt before. At least until I spot some roster changes that mean business.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:33 am
Why though no other team wanted to interview BA ? did he decline?
Thomas Ba.ssinger cooled me off a bit. Apparently BA isn’t as successful as it seemed. The dude he’s bringing as DC.. He failed with the jets, isn’t he?
Im keeping myself off the hype train this time. been burnt before. At least until I spot some roster changes that mean business.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:33 am
Why though no other team wanted to interview BA ? did he decline?
Thomas Ba.ssinger cooled me off a bit. Apparently BA isn’t as successful as it seemed. The dude he’s bringing as DC. He failed with the jets, isn’t he?
Im keeping myself off the hype train this time. been burnt before. At least until I spot some roster changes that mean business.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:36 am
Oh boy, we have amazing fans…. coaching is not just about talent. Some of the best players can’t play for certain coaches. It’s chemistry, it’s “pound that rock”! It’s a certain swagger… to say Leftwich is a bad coach because of the way he played is, well really not that smart. Also Clyde Christianson is not my favorite coach, but he is still around… he must be doing something right?
Too many followers of the Bucs have lost any sensibilities because of this losing culture we have. Instead of looking for the first way to jump ship, or throw the new coach under the bus, sit back and let’s see what unfolds. If he can do what he did in Arizona here, we will be fine. He has the knowledge, charisma, and the “it” factor.
This was a great hire! Fire them cannons, Bucco Bruce to the rescue!!
January 9th, 2019 at 6:38 am
Jameis hasn’t shown anything in four years yet so far that he’s a franchise QB…….
He’ll be gone in 2020
January 9th, 2019 at 6:43 am
It means he didn’t research and mailed in that segment
January 9th, 2019 at 6:43 am
Sanders couldn’t elaborate because he doesn’t really know anything and basically is getting by on popularity as a player but he’s horrible and the last person to speak to for a coherent thought on most teams
It’s an insult to say Bruce is no better than Dirk who is pure trash. 2 time coach of the year with super bowl rings to go along with it. Why do you need great players to be competent? Belichick had a playoff roster in New England before Brady came along. You don’t need great players. Who’s great on the eagles, cowboys or Baltimore? You need a competent coach who’s not afraid to coach players. This is a good enough roster to win and there are just way too many people talking like Winston is a bust, yes he has turnover issues but dirk was the lost cause and we’ll see shortly why coaching matters. Winston will be just fine haters.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:45 am
He’s trying to say that Jameis needs the services of Leon Sandcastle.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:49 am
Help as in MENTAL help!
January 9th, 2019 at 6:56 am
I think you couldn’t have hired a better coach for Winston…..if he has any chance of improving it will be under Arians…..he has to be very happy with the hire.
The only Buc happier is Jason Licht.
January 9th, 2019 at 6:58 am
When has Deon ever been anything but a blowhard. He didn’t explain because he’s never been anything but biased
Against Tampa.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:11 am
Byron Leftwich is the OC/Passing Co. Clyde Christiansen is the Qb coach. Heck t guy the guy who wrote the book ‘Qb whisper’ thinks Leftwich is a good coach. Who am I to question his choice? AZ thought so much of him he was not only kept on the staff after BA left they promoted Byron from Qb coach to OC mid season. I’m confident he is a good coach, most the great coaches weren’t the best players.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:17 am
It only took you, what, 12 hours to make that correlation…? Wow, how clever.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:19 am
A running back named Kareem Hunt would be a big help to Jameis.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:20 am
Pretty sure he was alluding to the lack of a running game and a shtty offensive line.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:21 am
Listening to Dion Sanders talk = ear murder.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:24 am
I think Sanders is referring to not having a running game and a very mediocre offensive line when mentioning “putting the pieces together”.
Thats one argument even those of us who have been critical of Winston’s turnovers and inability to read pressure defenses can’t arugue.
No one can deny that in today’s NFL you need a running game or at least have your running backs taking short passes and moving the chains ala how New England has been doing it for years.
January 9th, 2019 at 7:30 am
Watch ALL the QB’s this weekend and into the SB….forget watching the individual play and score,blah,blah,blah….watch their timing…quick release….throwing on time and to the spot….hitting WR’s in stride with quick slants….throw WR’s open ….touch on deep balls and out routes over the DB’s head on the sideline…..ALL this stuff is what Jameis has been terrible at…..I’m not even going to his bonehead plays…which he has corrected somewhat ….. but then some called him “neutered ” for playing like that….
January 9th, 2019 at 7:33 am
After working with Jamyth and in retirement Bruce Arians is going to write another book……”The Quarterback Hollerer ” …….it’s a joke triggered Jameis humperz…
January 9th, 2019 at 7:47 am
Maybe Prime meant Jameis needs psychological/ maturity help. He always seems to find himself in the middle of controversial situations. It’s not totally out of the question
January 9th, 2019 at 7:57 am
“Tightends up the tail pipe”? Nice one Joe.
January 9th, 2019 at 8:28 am
Winston will never have the pure mechanics and throw as accurate as some QB’s. I as a armchair QB coach believe he has above average ability to operate with pass rushers around him and in his line of sight in other words a dirty pocket. You cannot coach fear out of a QB, but you can get a fearless QB’s to play tone down.
Bottom line I believe Winston will be just fine and be here for the next 15 years.
January 9th, 2019 at 8:36 am
It’s 2019, time to lose the use of the word “Triggered” as it is a dead giveaway that the person using it is an incel, and that’s just TMI for a football blog.
January 9th, 2019 at 8:37 am
Jameis is going to have MVP season next year .
January 9th, 2019 at 8:49 am
When he got Carson Palmer, he was considered a washed up has been who had never reached his potential. Truth is, he worked for two terrible organizations, one that even made him not want to play anymore. By the time he was done with him, he was runner up to league MVP and in the championship game. BA will coach him hard but no one will doubt whether he has his back or whether he preferred another QB from the draft or his backup because BA knows how to reach his players, something the old high school coach never grasped. Winston is the reason he took this job. You don’t hand pick jobs where you don’t think the QB riddle is already solved.
January 9th, 2019 at 9:02 am
Bucs fan #7423 Says:
I’m a progressive democrat Alexdria Ocasio Cortez supporter.
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Oy Yev! I guess if you identify with her district’s citizens. I want no part of where she come from. Google works!
January 9th, 2019 at 9:09 am
isrbuc
i agree…..
folks did the same thing when dirk was hired….lol….claimed he’s the coach that’ll get us where we want to be…..
im not buying it…..games have to be played before i crown bruce king or savior….
#DEFENSEWINSCHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 9:11 am
I know folks here like to slam JW’s ability to throw the ball deep and many think he’s just inaccurate period.
AGAIN….how did he drop those perfect passes into ME and Godwin’s hands. They were both well covered, pinned to the sideline in the end zone and somehow JW connected.
I do not forget that Cincy game though either. But I do not believe that was a result of physical inability.
I think Jameis is like a virtuoso in any industry…movies..music…he’s high strung…and he’s inconsistent. If Bucco Bruce can just get in his head and teach him some decision making and calm I think we’re on the way and JW reaches his potential.
BTW…I keep bringing up those two spectacular bombs but what actually impressed me more from JW that final six games or so was what he had accomplished in his head. He made good decisions….I actually saw him simply turn and fire the ball out of bounds when there was no play to be made instead of trying to force a miracle pass. It seems JW is starting to figure it out mentally…and now he has the best teacher he can find.
If it was his physical ability then yeah I’d be like others here and say it’s hopeless…but it’s clearly not…JW is physically gifted…if BA can get the head to match that talent…….
January 9th, 2019 at 9:23 am
“Help”, is what all of Bucdom will need if just one (1) more woman has even a slightly unfavorable incident with #3, that she decides to share with the world.
#3 has talent but, if you have the chance at a great QB, you don’t let it pass.
ChanEpic, you taught me a new, very interesting word; incel. You are probably correct on that point.
January 9th, 2019 at 9:35 am
I hear all this talk about Bruce Arians being a quarterback whisperer because he worked with Roethlissberger, Manning, Luck, and Palmer but the key difference is that those guys never needed “fixing”.
January 9th, 2019 at 9:47 am
Arians won’t be calling plays? LOL. Leftwich will be?
How do the Winsonites feel about that?
January 9th, 2019 at 9:56 am
Joe
Don’t be so coy. You know exactly what Sanders meant. Sorry, it’s against the rules to tell Joe what Joe does or does not think. That’s Joe’s job. –Joe Winston needs Arians’ help to be a much better QB, someone to teach him how
January 9th, 2019 at 10:45 am
#7423, who is Jamies?
January 9th, 2019 at 10:46 am
Tom Edrington Says:
“Help as in MENTAL help!”
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We heard you the first time.
January 9th, 2019 at 10:48 am
@Phil
Are you Kareem Hunt’s agent by any chance?
January 9th, 2019 at 10:49 am
AlteredEgo Says:
“Bruce Arians is going to write another book……”The Quarterback Hollerer ”
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Ok man there is no denying that one was pretty funny, lmao.
January 9th, 2019 at 10:51 am
winston needs a defense not another high powered passing attack…..
#DEFENSEWINSCHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2019 at 10:57 am
I don’t think Arians fixes jameis. Some tweeeking sure. But Arians bring great staff. He surrounds Jameis with players who give his offense a chance. Now sit back and watch our Defense play better next year. Watch our special teams..they all will play better. Arians will make a few trades and don’t be surprised if we take a linebacker and a couple of linemen exclusively in the draft. Arians teams actually play better Defense. although he is noted for his Offense. And if Bowles joins him, This Defense will swarm and they will hit!!
January 9th, 2019 at 11:01 am
Thisisagarbageblog Says:
“Jameis has done more with his life than you will ever do with your life eight dollars an hour…….Bucs fan #7423.”
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We can argue amongst ourselves sometimes…
Different for YOU to come in here, calling it a “garbage blog” and attacking one of ours. — Move on.
January 9th, 2019 at 11:19 am
He needs a motivatedd offensive line
January 9th, 2019 at 11:38 am
I almost guarantee you Sanders made everything up. He doesn’t pay attention to a lot of the team’s closely. And certainly not the Buccaneers. He’s just throwing stuff out there
January 9th, 2019 at 12:37 pm
Lots of insightful thoughts throughout thread. Koetter is the new OC in Atlanta.Should be a lot of fun when they meet up next year. I am looking forward to see the development of our future stars like Noah Spence, Ronald Jones and Vita Vea. I’m sure a great coach like Arians can turn them into Simeon Rice, Mike Alstott and Warren Sapp in no time at all!
January 9th, 2019 at 1:59 pm
Duh: he meant psychological help. Meds too
January 11th, 2019 at 12:54 pm
I have been a Bucs fan since 1981 when I attended my first game. I have read all of the comments of those on this thread. Let, me first prefix this: I am not a fan of a player, but a team. I like certain players, but I love my team!!! I believe in the best player on the field that will help us win, period.
Let me start with coaching: The hiring of BA is only 25% of what our team needs. He is a good step in the right direction for our team. He will bring to the table key elements that this team has lacked for several years. The first is a culture of personal, professional accountability. Second, as a result of that it will lead to continuity, trust and comradery. As a result of that players will rid themselves of the infamous “I am out to get mine’ mentality. Losing has created a culture of acceptance in our locker room. I read some of the comments that you all were making about Bill Belicheck. and here is my two sense on that:
Bill is an amazing coach that has an “ORGANIZATION” that supports him, and wants to win. This is major, because the Bucs does not have that. Belichick has extensive authority over the Patriots’ football operations, effectively making him the general manager of the team as well.
BA does not and will not have the true backing of the Buccaneers even if he turns the team around and we make the playoffs. It has nothing to do with wins or losses, but the backing of the owners. Let me explain: Every since Malcolm died and the boys taken over the organization has gone to hell in a handbasket. Bad decision after bad decision. I have found myself questioning whether we want to win as an organization or not. Is this just a business to them. Lastly, how do they measure success as an organization: wins/losses or profit margins
BA still has to deal with the fact that the other 25% which is made up of two components in the organizational structure; ownership and GM will never position him or his players to achieve their ultimate potential. This is a sad reality, but and absolute fact. Until this 25% is addressed and corrected the other 50%, which is player acquisition on both sides of the ball will be limited.
It takes personnel that know “football” and have the desire and backing financially for player acquisition to occur at its highest potential. When I speak of player acquisition, that means finding the RIGHT players to fit our culture, not the most talented one at the time!!! The Patriots have created a culture, and will only ingrain players that “buy in” and “fit” that culture. No matter how talented a player is, if he does not fit their culture they will not bring him to NE. This only occurs because you have personnel that knows football.
As fans we hold high expectations for the team that we love. It is this passion that often causes us to focus in on that which is tangible and visible, the players and coaches. We often overlook, or diminish the fact that a player and a team is only as good as its organization. What I mean by that is everything rises and falls on leadership. If we had that “we won’t be in this predicament. Heads would have been rolled, players would have been gone.
So, am I happy about BA being our coach, I am optimistic and very supportive. Why, because I am loyal. I am and will forever be a BUC. I am also a realist, who understands that it is easy to blame that which is seen quicker than that which is unseen. Yes my passion causes me to get frustrated with players and their play, coaches and their play calling or lack thereof. But, my ultimate frustration is with decision makers. I can go on for days justifying my position with facts to back my position and feels about the upper leadership of the Bucs.
What does our team need the most? Some may say, a better coach, better players (offense and defense) and I understand and respect your opinion. Hell, I even agree with you, just partially. Until we address the behind the scenes we will continue see the results of it played out on the field even if we improve a bit in the win lose column. Just my two cents.