The Return Of Jameis
December 31st, 2018
He’ll be back!
Common sense and reason won the day at One Buc Palace.
Yesterday after the season ended with a loss to the Dixie Chicks at the Den of Depression, Joe asked America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, if anyone with the Bucs had informed him he would return in 2019.
Jameis told Joe no one had informed him of this news.
The club exercised its option on Jameis in 2019, but he could be released without any financial penalty before the start of the new league year, which begins at 4 p.m. March 13.
There was speculation, largely by those clawing for reasons to get rid of Jameis, that the Bucs would pass on Jameis despite all signs to the contrary. Yesterday morning prior to the Bucs loss, Adam Schefter of BSPN reported Jameis would return.
Well, Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht cleared a lot up today. In his presser to discuss the removal of Dirk Koetter as Bucs coach, Licht stated Jameis will be the Bucs’ quarterback for 2019.
“Jameis Winston will be here – we have him under contract for a year,” Licht said. “He has done some amazing things for a young, 24 [year-old] – turns 25 in a week – quarterback. [He] has accomplished more than most of the elite quarterbacks have at his age through that time span [in their careers]. There’s a lot to like about Jameis. Jameis will be here next year.”
Licht was then asked if such a stipulation would eliminate some coaching candidates because they may not want Jameis. Licht all but said that notion is nonsense.
“Based on the texts and phone calls and emails that I’ve been getting since roughly eight o’clock last night, I don’t think that’s going to be an issue,” Licht said, hinting Jameis is popular with coaches.
Licht did add that Jameis will not be consulted on who will replace Koetter.
This is why the rumors and dot-connecting with Bruce Arians and/or Jim Harbaugh are running wild. Both men have a connection with Jameis and both are pro-Jameis.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:03 pm
Passing stats are way out of proportion compared to past greats so those comparisons are misleading. Please stop that BS.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:07 pm
Good news they’re keeping Winston. There is nobody better out there right now so lets get after it in this off season.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:11 pm
When Jason Licht became the Bucs’ general manager, Tampa Bay was the worst team in the NFC South. Five years later, the Bucs are still the worst team in the South
Updated resumes:
Licht = 27-53
Winston = 21-33
Since Malcolm’s Stroke = 77 – 131
New HC = 0-0 (but he will have to coach Licht’s picks)
Well we need one more year to know what we have with Winston. Right?
December 31st, 2018 at 6:11 pm
Duh
December 31st, 2018 at 6:11 pm
Trex like Rodgers or Luck or Manning?
December 31st, 2018 at 6:12 pm
Jameis isn’t a franchise QB, but right now he can’t be replaced. Hopefully we can get Bruce and Jameis can be saved.
America’s Turnover Machine
December 31st, 2018 at 6:12 pm
Jameis will be the QB when the Bucs win their next SB!
December 31st, 2018 at 6:13 pm
With this offense and a upgraded defense we will be in good shape , if dirk has fired mike S in the off-season chances r he would still be here and we would be in the playoffs , and a kicker would help too .
Between the def and kicker it cost us 4-5 more wins, with those win we would be wild card atleast
December 31st, 2018 at 6:14 pm
I’m sure Jameis is popular with opposing coaches.
Next superbowl…hahahahahaha
December 31st, 2018 at 6:16 pm
“Jameis will be the QB when the Bucs win their next SB!”
Yeah, somebody else’s QB
December 31st, 2018 at 6:19 pm
He will eat up a lot of free agent cash. But I will say he looks like the best option for next year. But I would draft QB at first chance. Haskins at 6 or Lock or Grier in the second. QB value is a good to have in bank. Ideally what you want is a good QB on his Rookie deal. The top 6 highest paid QB’s did not make the playoffs
December 31st, 2018 at 6:19 pm
I’m no fan of Jay Miss as you all know. However, with this QB class, I agree with signing him for one more year. However, I think we’ll pick a QB in 2020 or 2021 as our first pick. Jay Miss is not the answer, but he’s a one year bridge.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:20 pm
“America’s QB” Jameis Winston…
He had a rough start to the season but I loved the way he played after the benching; he grew up alot this season…
That said, I thought that benching lasted 2 games too long…Imo it was the biggest mistake Koetter made this season and I’m sure it’s one big reason he was canned…
December 31st, 2018 at 6:21 pm
Glad we have #3. Turnovers can be fix an the b.s. that ppl are saying that he can’t hit a receiver in n stride might wanna get their eyes checked. Fix the coaches trenches an secondary an we will be a playoff team
December 31st, 2018 at 6:22 pm
How is Jason Licht even allowed to still be in the building?
December 31st, 2018 at 6:24 pm
I understand why Jameis will be back, but not why Jason Gump will be also.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:27 pm
This is good I guess. It’s not like there was anything better. He has to take the Bucs to the playoffs to be in Tampa in 2020. I really don’t think it’s up for debate anymore. True, the lack of running game, below average defense, all that, presumably, should be addressed before next season. If it isn’t that will be the end of Licht and Jameis. Here’s hoping!
December 31st, 2018 at 6:28 pm
*err
I hope they get it together that is.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:32 pm
Jason Licht must be retained!! Keep Licht!!! Mr Licht I apologize for calling you so many bad names. Keeeeeep Licht!
December 31st, 2018 at 6:33 pm
Feel kinda meh. Hopefully it doesn’t mean they pass on someone they really end up liking. Still don’t feel like he’s the answer but if someone like arians thinks he can work with him give him a ysr to see what he thinks. It is encouraging that he has gotten more accurate each season and maybe the new hc will cater to more his strength ut feel like it’s probably just delaying thr inevitable. Just hope doesn’t stop us if the right guy falls into our laps
December 31st, 2018 at 6:33 pm
The Jameis haters should do a massive protest where they drive to the top of the Skyway and then throw themselves over the edge. That will prove they’re serious and not just a bunch of boring trolls. Let’s make it happen ladies!
God bless.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:34 pm
This Tampa Bay fanbase eats quarterbacks for breakfast…
To those who don’t like Jameis Winston, you have to look at the big picture..There are three phases in football; offense, defense, and special teams…Until we fix the defense, tweak the offensive line, and get some consistency in the kicking game and running game no quarterback (even Brady) could win here…
December 31st, 2018 at 6:34 pm
Glazers/Licht are set on hiring a 66 yr old with health issues just to “save” JayMiss, good luck.
First order of business SHOULD be “saving” the franchise. That means much more than JayMiss.
JayMiss, at this point, is a salvage job. IMO JayMiss is the 2015 version of Ryan Leaf and history has shown us how that turned out
Fix what’s broken with the culture first and foremost. If JayMiss somehow gets saved in the process, that’s just gravy.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:35 pm
Give him a defense…..give him a running game….
We have many needs….QB is not one of them.
Let’s draft to improve the lines and bring in a top CB in FA.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:37 pm
Winston has never played as good as Fitz did for the first 2 games..Can’t believe he is being a kept after lying to the bucs and fans .
December 31st, 2018 at 6:39 pm
More Jameis fluff…. he did have a good game yesterday to end the season… he has a lot to overcome in the fumble and interceptions.. a better defense and a better run game should help everything
December 31st, 2018 at 6:41 pm
Hard to watch the game highlights yesterday and not see the talent and potential. He’s been operating with very little run support, suspect O-line play, and a porous defense. His deep ball is solid if any receiver other than DJax is catching it. He’s improved his completion percentage, 3rd down conversion rate, and his fumble issues. He’s protected the football since his return to the starting lineup.
If someone like Arians can turn Carson Palmer into an MVP candidate after a decade of mediocrity, why is it so hard to believe a change in coaching might have a similar impact on JW?
December 31st, 2018 at 6:41 pm
James finishes the season with the 5th best QBR rating on ESPN. While QBR isn’t the end all, be all stat, I think it does a decent of rewarding guys who aren’t just throwing 2 yard passes to the flat on 3rd and 12 – it rewards guys for moving the ball.
Also Winston’s second half numbers (games 9-16), 64% completion, 1811 yards, 13 TDs, 4 INTs and a 100.1 QB rating.
The Bucs need to try to take advantage of the turmoil this year and lock Winston up long term this offseason – they might save themselves $5m a year if they’re smart about it.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:45 pm
If Jameis doesn’t turn it around next year I’m sure JBF is going to go all in on Tua.
Please turn it around Jameis! Even Winston is better than Tua!
December 31st, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Funny Rod. Thanks for that! Go Bucs!
December 31st, 2018 at 6:50 pm
Winston has played better over the last few games. That being said….draft another QB as an insurance policy. Until I see JW get his TD/INT ratio up over 2:1 for an entire season, I just don’t trust him. If he plays well next season…great! If not, we’ve got our next QB ready to step up.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:50 pm
How does Licht still have a job? Oh that’s right he works for the Glazers.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:52 pm
Jameis matured a lot this season, not only as a quarterback, but as leader. The decision to bench him after the Bengals game was a bad decision, however it truly humbled him. Early on, he was trying to live up to the “Fitzmagic” hype, which put a lot of stress and pressure on him. Since he returned as the starter, he has thrown for 1,612 yards, 11 TD’s, and 3 INT’s (1st was a hail mary, 2nd was an under throw, and the 3rd was deflected). There’s not many QB’s in this league that I would take over him. I can’t wait to see him play again in 2019!
December 31st, 2018 at 6:53 pm
Licht is probably here solely to recruit Arians. After coming back Jameis played significantly more in control. With a decent run game and defense we will be back in the playoffs soon. Happy New Year everybody!
December 31st, 2018 at 6:54 pm
Good. I was critical of JW this season, however, there aren’t any better options available. Let’s focus on building an a team starting with a defense. Then maybe Jameis won’t feel like he needs to hit a home run on every play.
December 31st, 2018 at 6:58 pm
I agree Rod, Winston played very well when he came back. The Winston haters are going to hate and don’t have the teams best interest in mind. Guessing .they don’t recall the QB carousel here through the years. Winston is by far the most talented QB the Bucs have had under center and perhaps ever.
December 31st, 2018 at 7:04 pm
Skipper I’d take Doug Williams all day long over Jameis
December 31st, 2018 at 7:05 pm
Joe…..
Licht said Jameis will Hey be here next year,,,,
YOU say that he will be the starter.
Big difference.
December 31st, 2018 at 7:19 pm
Well to be fair 20m means 95% chance he is the starter.
December 31st, 2018 at 7:20 pm
“Jameis will be here next year.” Jason Licht
Next year is tomorrow!!!
By the way, Happy New Year JBF!!!
December 31st, 2018 at 7:22 pm
The coach kills will have to beat competition and win a playoff game or the bum will be run out of town!!!!!!!!!!! Now it is time to hold the GM and QB accountable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can’t wait for the new gm search in 2020!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 31st, 2018 at 7:23 pm
Licht said Jameis will be here next year and the salary is 20 million. Jameis is the starter.
The is no difference.
December 31st, 2018 at 7:26 pm
Let’s see, the guy who staked his career on drafting Winston thinks he doing awesome! Wow, what a shock. Did anyone notice how Licht name dropped Vea, Curry and JPP among other today as well. Anyone see a pattern. Licht LOVES his guys and he should, he had a hand in bringing them here.
I have no problem with Licht loving his guys, my problem is when people echo what he says as if it were objective evaluation. Sorry guys it’s not.
As to the texts and calls he says he’s getting about HC job, we don’t know who or was the nature is. Could be agents poking around, could be second tier coaches. It also could be elite candidates. I though it was very encouraging when Ariens indicated he would take Licht’s call.
December 31st, 2018 at 7:28 pm
These comments above are basic proof that the Jamies “haters” are few and far between.
It should be known that their are many fans, like myself, who have critized Winston and we’re labeled Winston haters.
A few select fans are on a personal crusade again against “haters” that simply do not exist.,…….Yes, Munch I’m thing about you baby.
GOO BUCS!!!
December 31st, 2018 at 7:29 pm
As I said before, as long as Licht is the GM here, Winston will be his QB. No matter how bad Winston plays or does stupid stuff off the field, Licht will stick by him. Licht based his entire Bucs career on making Winston the face of the franchise, the franchise QB, and winning championships with him. Licht will pick a head coach to come in and try to develope Winston, and then the next head coach after that. He will still be trying to develope Winston when he is 35.
Licht should have lost his job when Koetter did. 27- 53 will normally get you fired, or at least it should, because you have failed
December 31st, 2018 at 7:35 pm
@“bucrealist” I think you may have suffered a stroke. 😂😂🙈🙈😂😂😂😆😆😆 it’s okay. Jameis is YOUR qb, Licht is gm, and they are looking for a REAL coach to complement his talents. Put an aspirin under your tongue
December 31st, 2018 at 7:49 pm
WOW YOU ALL ARE HATERS WHINSTON CAN BE WHAT A GOOD COACH CAN GET OUT OF HIM GO BUCS
December 31st, 2018 at 7:49 pm
NFL experts agree that Famous Jameis is elite. Fans think he isn’t. Stupid fans!
December 31st, 2018 at 7:53 pm
If you criticize Winston, then you are a Jameis Basher. Now isn’t the time to be doubting or bashing Jameis. the Winston Bashers are recruting members and will open any critical commenters with open arms and accept you into their club. Famous Jameis Winston! Can’t spell Winston without a wins!
December 31st, 2018 at 7:54 pm
Hmmmm…all quiet on the coaching front from Tampa Bay where all the other teams have interviews lined up. Eric Beinemy does supposedly have an interview lined up with the Bucs. That might be eye wash for the Rooney Rule. Me thinks they already have their coach lined up and are finalizing any buy out deals that have to be made.
I say we have a coach by this Friday night.
December 31st, 2018 at 7:59 pm
Its amazing at how many people don’t see the huge upside with Winston. The decreased turnovers in the last half of the season is no coincidence. If any of the Winston haters have watched him play, his turnovers are based on trying to do too much and wanting to win. So these last six games everyone cried about him turning the ball over so he just took what ever read the defense gave him and didn’t test it. Every QB that throws as much as the bucs do will throw picks but nobody questions them. Put Winston in a play action offense with a real run threat like every team thats in the playoffs right now and a defense and the bucs will be there too. The uneducated hate for Winston is getting way old. This isn’t fantasy football folks. People need to be careful what they wish for.
December 31st, 2018 at 8:01 pm
If you actually listen to anyone involved in footbal, not the talking heads, they all say the same thing and that is Jameis is one of the rare talents in this league. He has not been what he can be yet, but has done well and cannot be held accountable for the teams record considering we have had an all time bad defense, bottom five running game and have gone through 5 kickers in 3 years. Call me whatever names you want but those are all facts. Just imagine if he plays his best and we get an average defense, average running game and a reliable kicker! This team could easily be a 13-3 type of team. Yesterday was a prime example of a game that when played by a QB we should win 9 out of 10 times but we win 1 out of 10. Just in the last two years alone 3 Falcons games, Bills game, GB game, Carolina game, Patriots game and NYG game just off the top of my head. That is 8 wins alone right there and again we all know he can and already has improved. Why would any of you not want to fix the other MAJOR issues and stick with our current QB?
December 31st, 2018 at 8:09 pm
“He has not been what he can be yet”
Well good gosh Johnny hurry it up it’s been FOUR YEARS
December 31st, 2018 at 8:17 pm
I wonder if Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning and Farve were all finished products after year 4?
Let me help you out there Plank none of them were even close. But that’s ok you keep making ridiculous comments that make you look clueless.
December 31st, 2018 at 8:22 pm
I wonder if Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, or Favre would be “Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, or Favre” with the Bucs’ o-line, running game, and defense.
December 31st, 2018 at 8:24 pm
Ndog- what love to know what “real” football people you are talking about. I listen to a TON of NFL Network and the Kirwan’s, Pollian’s and Brandt’s are at best luke warm on Winston
December 31st, 2018 at 8:25 pm
Doesn’t mean we wont draft a qb…..do you guys REALLY think RG4 & Fitz will be backing up jameis…
More like a drafted qb pressuring Jameis…either get better or let the pipe burst lol
December 31st, 2018 at 8:30 pm
You know what makes you look clueless Ndog? Your constant comparisons of Jameis to hall of fame quarterbacks. That’s all any fan does when their team has a 1st round QB that still hasn’t developed.
I’ll tell you one thing though, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning weren’t questioning whether they were still going to be on their respective teams going into year 5 as Jameis was yesterday. That’s because they didn’t have to. People already knew they were elite by the time they were entering their 5th year (even though Rodgers didn’t play until his 4th year he lit it up right away).
Only one of those guys was drafted No.1 overall as well. Jameis was a No. 1 overall pick, a Heisman trophy winner, a national champion, and had never lost a game in his life before joining the Bucs until “the fumble” against Oregon. He was highly touted to be NFL ready and it was no surprise he came to the Bucs.
Yet we’re going into year 5 and are still waiting. Meanwhile we have to watch guys like Patrick Mahomes throw 50 TD’s and Baker Mayfield break NFL records not “age” records made up by Bucs fans for the 24 year old Winston.
December 31st, 2018 at 8:34 pm
I forgot to include Favre but he too was putting up elite numbers by his 4th year.
How long is it going to take Ndog? I have never held Winston’s win/loss ratio against him when I criticize him because it’s a TEAM sport. And the Bucs are bad. I don’t expect him to win every game with a team like this. However he’s contributing to the losses. Hell he has lost a select few games single handedly with his poor decisions and lack of ball security. The man almost averaged 2 turnovers a game for his career.
How long is it going to take? 5 years? 6? 10?
December 31st, 2018 at 8:41 pm
WalkdaPlank Aaron Rodgers had 17 turnovers in year 4 isn’t that a TO machine in your eyes? So he was straight trash right and they should have moved on right?
And I love the Mayfield love yet in a huge game for his team yesterday he threw 3 picks but you act like he is great yet if Jameis did that you would be saying he is the worst QB in the league.
Do your agenda and bias are showing be careful.
December 31st, 2018 at 8:46 pm
Farve had 15 TO in year 4 with a Super Bowl ready team but that is ok right cause didn’t already dislike him. Also was Andrew Luck awesome last night on the Colts big win?
December 31st, 2018 at 8:49 pm
Dude COME ON! LOL
First off a simple google search will reveal that Rodgers had 13 INT’s and 3 fumbles lost so he had 16 turnovers total. The stats you are very conviently leaving out are his 32 total TD’s and 4,000 yards passing.
Do the math. That’s 32 TD’s to only 16 turnovers. Jameis doesn’t touch those numbers. Never mind the fact that that was Rodgers first year starting and this was Jameis’ 4th.
And Mayfield is someone who is actually still developing yet is still playing better than Jameis. You whine about Jameis not having a good team around him and I agree but Mayfield took over an 0-16 FOOTBALL TEAM! Took them to 7 WINS and broke the rookie record for touchdowns for crying out loud Ndog.
Dude your blind and mysterious loyalty to Winston is showing and it is embarrassing. I hope this man turns it around I really do, I want him to succeed but if he doesn’t I bet you will defend him til the end he could throw 100 picks on a season.
Ridiculous
December 31st, 2018 at 8:53 pm
As a ferverent Buc Critic and fan since inception ( thats right, I sat in the stands with my pops during those 0 and 1-16-15 seasons), I do think eventually Jameis is our Guy. I’ve been critical of him. But I did notice improvement on decsion making after mid-season. Thats really important. I sorta hope we get Bruce Arians (its doubtful) Because I know he;s gonna bring his boy..excuse the pun..Todd Bowles with him) And Todd is not Hc material. But he is an Outstanding Defensive Coordinator. And I luv a Kick-a.. Defense! Jameis learned all he could from Dirk. But its time for his tutorlege to move on. Arians I believe is the man to do it!
December 31st, 2018 at 9:00 pm
Jameis has a total of 20 TD’s this year compared to a total of 17 turnovers. That’s barely notching above a 1:1 meanwhile the Hall of Famers you mentioned were all well above 2:1 at this point in the careers.
Of course Jameis didn’t play the full season because he got himself suspended and then later benched. I don’t remember that happening to those guys either.
December 31st, 2018 at 9:01 pm
Nevermind that Rodgers took a team that was just a tad better than us but again to you it’s a one man game right that means nothing around the QB matters right? Also do you think Matt Ryan is any good, you know a guy who won a MVP? Well he had 14, 17, and 14 picks in his years with Dirk. This offense is going to have picks with it’s crappy design.
Jameis took over a team and in year 2 had them at 9 wins in the toughest division in football at the time. Bro you are wrong just admit it.
December 31st, 2018 at 9:03 pm
AGAIN. FOR MORONS. Nick Chubb was a better rookie than Baker. Njoku and Landry, with Chubb pounding have MADE Baker. And Baker throws 30 times he has 2 INTs. Guaranteed!! EVERY GAME!!!!! The end! His last throw was a crucial int vs a BITTER ravens rival. Plank LOOOVED that. Lmao!!!
December 31st, 2018 at 9:06 pm
Hey Joe, will you host a Winston Basher rally? I have a feeling that 4-10 people will show up that post under 5-10 handles each.
December 31st, 2018 at 9:11 pm
Dude you are cherry picking so bad it’s not even funny. All you are mentioning is the picks and nothing else. The year he threw 14 picks under dirk he also threw 28 TD’s which again is a 2:1, something Jameis hasn’t even sniffed let alone done. Matt Ryan also threw for over 4500 yards in each of those seasons and didn’t win MVP those years either.
The closest he has came to having a Jameis like year was Dirk’s last year there he threw for 21 TD’s and 16 INT’s yet still threw over 4500 yards and had the Falcons at .500 not 5-11.
Also you mention the MVP he won in year 9 of his career is that how long it is going to take Jameis to just because a top 10 QB?
December 31st, 2018 at 9:21 pm
Bro in Jameis’s second year in the league he threw 28 TDs what are you talking about. And outside of that and his rookie year he hasn’t played 16 games so no other seasons are really comparable.
December 31st, 2018 at 9:26 pm
NDOG
You can relax dude. Right now people are still debating opinion and what will soon be old out of date stats. But to this point it is what it is and JW has been disappointing.
This will go one of two ways…JW flames out…or he performs as you and I expect and we get to the playoffs next season. The next year we become genuine SB contenders if we draft well.
I thought JW showed maturity and poise the last half dozen games. I think AT LAST he genuinely realizes that you simply can’t turn the ball over in the NFL and still win. It’s like the sorry season finally got to him….you cannot turn the ball over and win in this league…YOU JUST CAN’T!!!.
I think the Uber incident…the off season…the suspension followed by the Fitz-Magic period…the benching…this has been an incredible challenge for #3. The fact that he played with such poise those last games shows me he’s finally starting to get it and he’s ready to move on.
If we improve the OL and Running game…then we cut down on the volume of JW”s passing and use our running game more.
If we can draft two more starters for the D we will be improved!!!
I’m not as concerned about JW as I was. I think he has grown up at long last. He obviously has talent but perhaps not as much as he and his fans sometimes think. When he plays within himself he can be amazing like those last two TD bombs to Evans and Godwin.
December 31st, 2018 at 9:37 pm
Yes he threw 28 TD’s and 18 INT’s and who knows how many lost fumbles. What are you saying?
That Matt Ryan’s worst years are Jameis Winston’s best years?
Yup he’s elite alright. To quote Slim Shady:
“My biggest flops are your greatest hits” Jameis Winston
December 31st, 2018 at 9:40 pm
You’re right Ndog, they’re not comparable.
Yet guys like you and Munchy continue to compare him to Hall of Famers like Brett Favre and Tom Brady.
Stop
December 31st, 2018 at 9:41 pm
Yes but all in the same offense genius that’s the point. This offense is prone to TOs and this is the only offense we have ever seen him in.
December 31st, 2018 at 9:57 pm
Yet under the same offense Matt Ryan threw a TD-INT ratio of 75-47
Jameis Winston under that offense threw 66-43.
Of course there is a vast difference in the amount of yards and lost fumbles between the two and as you can guess Matt Ryan threw for a lot more yards and lost a lot less fumbles. Also Jameis had a slightly better receiving corps but that’s just an opinion.
December 31st, 2018 at 10:00 pm
Oh Boy! I’m sooo excited. Can you say 5 and 11?
December 31st, 2018 at 10:30 pm
Bucnut2, of course Licht talked up “his guys”. He’s been here since 2014. There’s only about 3 or 4 players on this team that aren’t “his guys”. I get what you’re trying to say, but he could have name dropped 90% of the roster and they would have been “his guys”.
December 31st, 2018 at 10:37 pm
I won’t be upset if we hire Arians, but if we want Winston in a new offense with quicker developing routes, remember what Arians told Koetter: Teams don’t throw deep enough.
December 31st, 2018 at 11:00 pm
stpetebucsfan
I can get onboard with your assessment of Jameis with only a couple of the last 6 games. I do believe Atlanta was playing pretty loose D at first and then tightened up while JW faded. But, that game in Dallas was a weak QB performance, especially when the defense gave them an opportunity for the win. Our offense rest on JW’s shoulder’s again next season and the fact he has to learn a new system doesn’t hold well for a rebound on what could arguably be his last prove it year.
December 31st, 2018 at 11:02 pm
Jameis has been great. It’s baffling as to how idiotic some of you fans are. Winston was dealt crap the whole poker tournament and still made it to the final table. Suck it Jameis Bashers. Jameis is here to stay and win!
December 31st, 2018 at 11:29 pm
Once again, if this was a top 15 defense (31st) a top 15 rushing attack (29th) or even averages special teams (21st net punting and 29th FG%), then I would entertain the QB as the main issue. But when these are the TEAM stats and the Total QBR at season’s end is an 8th ranked QB, you as a fan should really look at someone other than the QB as the main issue. I’m sorry, but at this point if you truly believe Winston is the number 1 problem on this team, you are a hater. I believe he can and should play better, but he is a LONG way from being the main issue.
December 31st, 2018 at 11:30 pm
Jameis finished the ATL game very strong. The defense is what crumbled.
December 31st, 2018 at 11:37 pm
The nonsense regarding how great the Bucs receiving corps for Winston vs Ryan. ATL had a pretty good corps during Koetter’s time there. In 2013 they managed to go 4-12 with Roddy White, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas and Tony Gonzalez. The RB’s were Steven Jackson, with a #2 of a young Jacquizz Rodgers.
December 31st, 2018 at 11:39 pm
I don’t get why everyone said we have such a bad run game. When we tried to run the ball Barber I thought did a hell of a job. The games he was being used is the games that play action worked great and we could stretch the field. I think they need a little line help and make it a point to actually want to run the damn ball. All I would see all year was a passing team over and over and over without even trying to run the rock. It sounds like I might be one of the few that actually like Barber and think he can carry the load. Just my 2cents.
December 31st, 2018 at 11:55 pm
It’s truly amazing that Bucs fan still believe in this organization. And keeping Winston may be one the biggest reasons to have no faith in anyone at One Buc Palace. No QB survives getting head coaches fired, only in Tampa.
December 31st, 2018 at 11:55 pm
Bwahahahhahahhahahhahahahahah!
Deal.
January 1st, 2019 at 12:25 am
trew
I don’t consider Jameis the number one problem for this team. I am simply saying he is not a franchise QB. He is serviceable but everyone else here believes he is a future HoF or a top 10 QB which he is not.
Also an old Roddy White and Toy Gonzalez and Julio Jones vs. Mike Evans and OJ and Chris Godwin and Hump and Cam Brate. Also Steven Jackson was terrible in ATL and Quizz was cut.
Who would you rather have? The answer is obvious
January 1st, 2019 at 12:46 am
At this point, Winston is a $20 million salvage project…..While the Bucs tinker with their bust……I’ll enjoy watching Mahomes, Goff, etc.in the playoffs
January 1st, 2019 at 2:54 am
WalkdaPlank Winston int:td ratio is 88 to 58 under Dirk
January 1st, 2019 at 2:56 am
WalkdaPlank Winston has 88td to 58int ratio under Dirk
January 1st, 2019 at 3:22 am
Those are his career stats. His first head was under Lovie not Dirk.
Either way Jameis doesn’t even sniff a 2:1 TD to INT ratio like all the greats
January 1st, 2019 at 3:43 am
All the other greats had winning records and had been to the playoffs by their 4th year. Not Jameis. Not even close.
Licht = 27-53
Winston = 21-33
Since Malcolm’s Stroke = 77 – 131
New HC = 0-0 (but he will have to coach Licht’s picks)
January 1st, 2019 at 4:27 am
No more excuses for Jamies loyalist after this year!!!!
January 1st, 2019 at 4:30 am
Jameis Bashers will shut up after this coming season.
January 1st, 2019 at 4:48 am
“Jameis Bashers will shut up after this coming season.”
Perhaps but unlikely. I have faith in Winston not to ever succeed. It’s in his nature. But if I’m wrong, so be it. Win-Win either way.
Licht = 27-53
Winston = 21-33
Since Malcolm’s Stroke = 77 – 131
New HC = 0-0 (but he will have to coach Licht’s picks)
January 1st, 2019 at 9:28 am
I gues it’s time for Philly to move on from Wentz? Now when Fiz was playing good for those 2 games. The national media and this fan base said the bucs need to let him start the hold season. But now with philly it’s the play calling is different the players around him are just playing good right now see that’s why I think race plays more apart of it then anything else . There’s your proof right there Foles won a super bowl and Wentz is struggling.
January 1st, 2019 at 9:34 am
How about we just root for all of the players, including Winston, to do well. Let’s stop with the “I want to be right even if it means we suck again next season and we’re looking for a new QB again” stuff. Winston and Licht are here for 2019. Let’s wish them luck and root for them to succeed instead of hoping for their failure. Let’s root for the new coach, because whoever it is, it won’t be a bad hire until proven so with results. Let’s not complain that you didn’t get the guy you want because you, myself included, don’t know if that guys going to work out. We all have our opinions, but that’s all they are. Arguing between Bruce Arians and Kris Richard and trying to “prove” you are right is a fruitless effort that neither side can win. I’m just sitting here waiting for the coaching announcement and will be behind him 100% until it’s proven by results that I shouldn’t be.
January 1st, 2019 at 9:53 am
Oneilbucs, A QB has the best 2 game start in NFL history while replacing a QB who is suspended for pretty much the same reason he was accused in college and who turns the ball over as much as any QB in the league and it’s about race? Wow. If Fitzpatrick went 0-2 with 6 INTs I’d say you might be right, but damn. You might not watch ESPN or these other sports talk shows, but the Black commentators were harder on Winston than the White ones. I can’t remember who it was now, maybe Whitlock or Clark. He thought Winston should have been gone after last season. Whatever happened, he paid his penalty and deserves to get his 5th year. I want him to be the guy. I hope he comes through.
January 1st, 2019 at 11:07 am
Bucs love to delay the inevitable. Did it with Licht, Dirk and now Winston.
January 1st, 2019 at 12:07 pm
In 2013 Roddy had over 700 yards. Many thought he might be coming here in 2015. Tho 2013 was Tony G’s last season he went for 859 yds. The big excuse was that Jones was hurt but still managed near 600 yards. Steven Jackson ran for just over 500 yards (after 8 consecutive 1000 yard seasons not playing under Koetter) in 12 games. Jacquizz Rodgers played in 15 games and had 673 yards from scrimmage. Not to be picky, but since you made me check on this, Harry Douglas had over 1000 yards in Julio Jones absence. Don’t act like this was a scrub team. The weapons were at worst comparable to the Bucs and arguably better.
I cherry picked that season because that was the year Jackson went to the Falcons. I always felt Gruden missed that draft pick in favor of Micheal Clayton so I had a soft spot in my heart for Jackson. With all of the weapons the Falcons had the addition of Jackson was supposed to be the piece to send them to the Super Bowl, especially after going to the NFC Championship the previous season. This was a LOADED team that Mike Smith and Dirk Koetter managed to go 4-12 with.
Koetter’s system is the big tease. Put up huge yards, entertain the fans with the long ball, doesn’t commit to the run so the defense is physically taxed and consistently loses the one score games.
Winston has shown many signs of being a franchise QB in the 4seasons. He has to continue his off and on field development to fulfil this. Acting as if he is stagnant is not near true. His last off field issue was three years ago. This season he paid a huge price for poor judgement, and seems to learn from it. He has listened to those that said he can’t be so emotional and reactionary at his position. That is a very difficult transition. When you are an attitude guy that has always used emotion to drive your game, then you decide to become more controlled and even. This is just a massive change. If he can develop confidence and swagger while maintaining this control then he will be not only a franchise guy, he will be elite. So many want to dump him after going through the pain (and it has been a PITA) of dealing with his immaturity is just short sighted.
January 1st, 2019 at 2:33 pm
Tnew
I respect you doing the digging but your numbers didn’t help your case sir. Now I believe Julio Jones is better than Mike Evans, but not by much. IMO they are both top 5 receivers. After that it is pretty much one sided.
Roddy White was good in his prime but late in his career he developed a case of the dropsies and his numbers dropped too. I can’t remember what year but I remember when there was talk of him coming to the Bucs and I saw his stat line of having the most drops in the league and right behind him was our very own Mike Williams at the time if I remember. Anyway who would you rather have, old Roddy or young Godwin?
Harry Douglas has 1,000 yards that year but it took him 85 catches to do it so he wasn’t catching long balls and he only managed a paltry 2 touchdowns. Hump had 5 TD’s this year with over 800 yards and he wasn’t even the No. 1 or 2 receiver as Douglas was. Also in my opinion Hump is scrappier and fights for more yards. Who would you rather have?
Tony Gonzalez is a hall of famer, but OJ and Brate combined for 11 TD’s this season and OJ got hurt. Who would you rather have, Tony Gonzalez in his last season or the best TE duo in the league in the red zone?
I’m sure I might be biased as a Bucs fan but even so I believe an impartial fan would favor the Bucs receiving corps over the former Falcons one.
Also as I said Jackson had a great career with the Rams but was an absolute train wreck in Atlanta he isn’t even worth mentioning and as I said Quizz wasn’t even good enough to stay on the team he got cut. One thing I will agree with you on is Koetters failure in the run game as I can’t say anything for the Bucs runningbacks however Doug Martins resurgence outside of Koetters offense speaks for itself.
Anyway this was a really off track conversation with the main point still being:
Jameis is not a franchise QB.
January 1st, 2019 at 3:14 pm
Buccain75. That’s real problem with those guys now . They go along to get along. So yes they have there Jobs to keep. But when Cardell Stewart brought up facts he haven’t been on TV since. So they going to play the game to keep there Jobs but I brought you facts. Yall can hate Jamies all yall want but he ain’t going no where he is the quarterback for this team now and for the future. Look how all those black coaches got fired after 1 or 2 years with bad teams . Now Lewis the only one that went for more years.
January 1st, 2019 at 4:24 pm
Another 5-11 season no matter who the new coach is. Jameis and his turnovers will doom this team.