The Impact Of GMC
December 8th, 2018
Disruption.
One of the Bucs’ best players also happens to be one of its least popular players.
That’s part of the sad state of the NFL in the Tampa Bay area.
Joe doesn’t fully understand why Gerald McCoy is routinely raked over the coals by fans. For years.
The only explanation logical to Joe is that GMC isn’t Warren Sapp. To which, Joe replies, outside of maybe Aaron Donald, who is?
One big repeated gripe about GMC is that he doesn’t make “big plays, even though Joe has seen GMC make big plays.
And in the mind of former NFL offensive lineman and current NFL talking head Brian Baldinger, not only did GMC make big plays last week in a win over Carolina, but the Bucs may have lost the game if not for GMC.
Joe remembers when former Bucs coach Raheem Morris would laud GMC for “disruption.” This drove fans nuts. They didn’t want to hear anything about disruption; they wanted to see sacks, as if GMC was supposed to be the next Bruce Smith.
Well, Baldinger, in the video below demonstrates how disruption Sunday was more important than a sack or sacks.
The way GMC always talks about how his body is beat up (Joe’s seen with his own eyes how GMC is in real pain after games), it wouldn’t give Joe a stroke if GMC hung up his cleats in the near future. Dude’s body has taken a pounding and he currently is on the wrong side of 30 after 119 games.
At that point, (many) Bucs fans likely will learn the hard way that GMC was valuable.
.@Buccaneers @Geraldini93 with 2 hits on Cam that affected his throws in crunch time #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/NPvtSefRc6
— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) December 7, 2018
December 8th, 2018 at 12:12 am
Whatever you do don’t let Tmax is a beyotch see this… he will die if his feeble mind finally pays enough attention to understand that GMC is a beast…
But man how much better can it get. Forget sacks man I’ll take an interception caused by a lineman over a sack anydag.
Defense seems to have started clicking. Reaaally hoping the results from this Sunday will be indicative of further progress – not the other way around (which we’re all too familiar with).
Go Bucs!
December 8th, 2018 at 12:12 am
Lol. Where are all the GMC bashers? Doesn’t fit your narrative I take it…
December 8th, 2018 at 12:23 am
I hate that our fans are so dumb.
December 8th, 2018 at 12:25 am
Sometime the truly great go unrecognised.
Nice people finish last!
He just plays on and on!!!!!
December 8th, 2018 at 12:45 am
2 solid plays from gmc. That’s what the swim move looks like when done correctly.
December 8th, 2018 at 12:46 am
When I want to get depressed.. I come to the comments section at joebucsfan
December 8th, 2018 at 12:50 am
Lol
December 8th, 2018 at 12:50 am
ppl see aaron donald being double teamed all game and wanna give mccoy no excuse…
December 8th, 2018 at 12:51 am
I see we’re writing comedy now
December 8th, 2018 at 1:17 am
I think because we have sucked so long and McCoy has been here so long, the simple minds try to make some kind or correlation. He is just a good player on some bad teams.
Is he as good as Donald? No! But who is? Since when is it a knock that he isn’t as good as maybe the greatest D tackle to ever play the game?
December 8th, 2018 at 1:22 am
If you sum up “all of the Glazer’s loot” that has been handed to GMC, it will represent the worst ROI in buccaneers history. Simple as that!
December 8th, 2018 at 2:54 am
The thing with GMC is… he’s a very nice guy. Football is a violent sport that requires a level of intensity that people generally pull from a place of anger. GMC doesn’t. If he ever did, I think he would be better than he is, but more importantly i believe his soft nature (not an insult) takes the aggressive edge off of some of his teammates. That’s a problem. Losing sucks, and it should piss you off and leave that anger festering until the next contest.
Gerald McCoy is a great player with a good heart. As i said… A nice guy.
The bucs need some edge. The intensity that Sapp, Lynch, And Brooks had. Maybe they can find their way without that. JPP seems to do well without it and they have certainly done well the last two weeks… If that continues? Who knows?
December 8th, 2018 at 3:27 am
As far as criticism of GMC goes, I just think that fans equate our sorry defense over the years with him. He being the face of said defense. Go Bucs.
December 8th, 2018 at 5:06 am
If you sum up “all of the Glazer’s loot” that has been handed to GMC, it will represent the worst ROI in buccaneers history. Simple as that! ”
I seldom comment on a post because most are predicated on emotion or the pretense that someone has a contribution related to football as it pertains to the Buc’s. However I was unable to tap that accounting principle from my MBA Degree where Return on Investment, The Glazer’s loot and the performance of a six time Pro Bowler actually demonstrates a quantitative conclusion of verifiable facts. No, this is from a GMC hater that is trying to convince their readers that Mc Coy is a bad football player by using false statistical data. I challenge you to solve your hypothesis for ‘N.”
December 8th, 2018 at 5:10 am
Brooks and Lynch were always known as nice guys. Being sportsmen does not make you a bad player. The entire you cannot be a good nice guy and play football argument holds no water at all.
December 8th, 2018 at 5:10 am
Ah shucks, I just hope he was having fun.
The Dancing Clown……. I was will not miss you when you’re gone.
Oh,
Don’t make me laugh.
December 8th, 2018 at 5:18 am
10 years not a single playoff win…… enough said….. talented player but a locker room cancer that does not understand how to win. the results prove it.
December 8th, 2018 at 5:44 am
Impact of gmc???? Aka BIG FAT SOFTIE?! 2 plays out of 60 all year = $12 million dollars ????? GTFO… GMC is fat over bloated and over paid
December 8th, 2018 at 6:02 am
Excellent piece Joe, and that video was perfect (Baldy was spot on). GMC’s ‘problem’ is that he happens to be the face of a perennially losing franchise. Comparing him to Aaron Donald though is laughable. Might be more appropriate to compare Donald’s teammate … some guy named Ndamukong Suh … to McCoy? That is of course unless Bucs’ fans don’t believe that the ‘quality’ of your teammates doesn’t impact others’ performances.
Researching the Rams’ site about Donald & Suh, it was interesting that their pass rush has been awesome (Donald has 16.5 sacks already this season) BUT their rushing defense has been very erratic. In 2 games against Seattle this year, Rams defense gave up 190 yds rushing in the 1st game & 273 yds rushing in the 2nd game (Rams won BOTH games BTW, despite giving up 31 pts in each of those games).
Bucs seem to be having a similar problem lately. Smitty focused on stopping the run (Bucs gave up an average of 84 YPG rushing through the first 5 games this year). But his pass defense got eaten alive as a consequence (Bucs gave up an average of 356 YPG passing through the first 5 games this year). Won the first 2 but lost the next 3 … and Smitty went bye-bye.
Duffner has focused on stopping the pass, but has paid the price in the run game. Bucs gave up an average of 216 YPG passing in these last 7 games this year, an improvement of 140 YPG which is pretty dramatic IMO. BUT … Bucs have given up an average of 147 YPG rushing in these last 7 games, worse by 63 YPG. Realistically what we’ve done is trade improved passing defense (140 YPG better) for worse rushing defense (63 YPG worse) … a needed trade-off, but not a prescription for long-term success.
Against mediocre teams, Bucs can get away with that (and yes, the Browns, 49ers & even the Panthers right now are mediocre teams). But against teams with a strong rushing attack (like the Saints, Ravens & Cowboys) the Bucs’ defense has to perform better against the run or those teams will control the clock & keep our offense on the bench. Not a good prescription for winning long-term.
December 8th, 2018 at 6:30 am
McCoy has been and is a beast. Sapp and Ian Beckles can go f—k themselves. They take the same pot shots at Vea. It’s their giant size egos, mouths and egos that necessitate they build their old selves up by knocking other Bucs talent down. Makes my skin crawl.
December 8th, 2018 at 7:01 am
He’s one of my favorite players! Been standing up for him from the 1st time I came to this site look it up…
December 8th, 2018 at 7:15 am
The GMC haters are the same posters who want to lose in order to get a better draft pick….they want to get rid of an obviously very productive player….
History is rich with players who contributed nothing and made millions of dollars from the Glazers….GMC is not one of them.
His Teammates like him, his Coaches like him, his GM likes him, his Owners like him, his Opponents like him, the Media likes him and Joe likes him. Shouldn’t that count for something?
December 8th, 2018 at 7:24 am
i’ll be dancing when he freaking retires, good bye bat boy, and good riddance
December 8th, 2018 at 7:32 am
Yep Joe
FANS ARE DUMB THATS WHY GMC GETS CRAP
Why has some NFL players including Sapp at one time called GMC out for soft play.
GMC is A good player
He is not Elite and I think that is want drives sone Fans Nuts.
He is held up like he is the Best DT to every play and a great leader. Who has held him up as a great leader?? –Joe
When a Fan sees 100 million payed out we Look for a game changer ever game
GMC is not
Good plays in games yes
But I have gone back and rewatched games to see him pushed down the line like a rag doll
I KNOW JOE YOU WONT CRITICIZE GMC
I GET IT
DONT THROW AWAY THE KEY TO THE LOCKERROOM — You, yourself, just called McCoy a good player. C’mon, man. Get real. Gerald McCoy doesn’t control any “key” to the locker room. No player does. –Joe
December 8th, 2018 at 7:33 am
It’s just people jealous of how much he makes. Most productive tackle we have had since Sapp.
December 8th, 2018 at 7:44 am
Window is closing..Gmc and JPP were lucky Mike Smith was thrown out but to late Maybe?
Win out boys you.might make the playoffs if you do!
December 8th, 2018 at 7:45 am
Lol great is a big word to throw around for a guy whose played during one winning season and injured for the other. Valuable yes good yes but great? Don’t make me throw on my phone. Dude had a couple decent games and this one good game all year and excuses come out of nowhere. You don’t have to be Warren Sapp or Aaron Donald to have an impact. So weird to get on Winston at 24 for being inconsistent but McCoy has been inconsistent for a decade and all I hear is excuses. With the help he has he should have been playing like this all year long. Beckles game him props for this game “a game” so apparently bucs fans have a different definition of the word elite. 3 good games a year doesn’t say elite or great to me. Quarterbacks and pass rushers can’t have 3 good games a year.
December 8th, 2018 at 7:56 am
why is gerald trying to look all like “bruce lee X john shaft” in the pic…dam bruhhh
December 8th, 2018 at 7:57 am
@Bucemup
Winning out is a longshot, but possible…this team will go as far as our Defensive line and Jameis takes them…
Play smart, play fast, and most importantly, play pissed off…
Go Bucs!
December 8th, 2018 at 8:00 am
the reason jpp plays like he does is because he eats brontosaurus burgers…gerald does not…
if gerald goes bronto he would no longer act like tonto
December 8th, 2018 at 8:01 am
You see Joe what you fail to realize is that games like these are what we expect from the #3 overall pick and highest player on defense. The reason it has been a big deal this week is because he actually lived up to what he supposed to do all the time. This game last week should be the norm NOT the exception.
December 8th, 2018 at 8:07 am
Like I said he did have a good game…. what about all the games he never showed up in??? LOVE to see that film!
December 8th, 2018 at 8:22 am
People don’t like GMC simply because of his personality. It’s asinine. It’s about how a guy plays. I don’t care if he dresses in a tutu on weekdays and sings show tunes. All I care about is how he plays Sunday and GMC has been the most consistent player on this team since he’s been here. Year in year out. Yeah, he was hurt the first few yrs. But he’s never given up. He just doesn’t play the make believe tough guy game. Dudes just a stand-up guy who’d be fun to grab a beer with. Or Prosecco. Or whatever the hell floats his boat.
December 8th, 2018 at 8:26 am
The fact is that opposing teams game plan for GMC, and we haven’t had a defensive coordinator to make adjustments. On pass plays, offensive coordinators know that he will blow through the line with his quick ‘get off’, and blockers don’t have to work very hard in allowing him to rush to the gap where he already wants to go and direct the play somewhere else (or alternatively double team him when they want to run a play at him). Those are the times when other players need to step up. What I notice on those two plays (granted, not a great sample size) is that GMC performed stunts that the blockers didn’t recognize. They seemed confused based on their footwork and where they seemed to be looking. Those just happened to be the right calls for the right plays. Now, is this “disruption” worth spending a significant portion of the salary cap on one player “on the wrong side of 30”? The Bucs will need to plan for life after GMC soon enough.
December 8th, 2018 at 8:34 am
TBBF
Sorry to blow up your theory about all GMC haters wanting to lose for a higher draft pick.
I’m a proud Softie93 hater and ALWAYS want us to win.
Been that way since 1976.
We are better without his soft azz.
Oh…..
Don’t make me laugh!
December 8th, 2018 at 8:39 am
So those 2 plays are worth $12MM? Look at his stats, he’s a vastly over paid underachiever. Maybe some other teams will be suckered into his once a season ‘2-play game’ and we can get some trade value for him.
December 8th, 2018 at 8:46 am
Terrible defenses with him and terrible without him.. not worth the $
December 8th, 2018 at 8:57 am
The sad thing is that if he had been a total bust and out of the league after two or three years he would have taken much less abuse than he does now.
By all accounts a great guy who gives it his all, only to be handed abuse from so many morons. To think of all of the tough guy putzes around here who say things about him that they would never say to his face.
Thanks for the hard work, GMC. Too bad you didn’t have some talent around you all these years.
December 8th, 2018 at 9:10 am
So you are telling me that he’s been an outstanding player all his career? The fact that you dummies call him pro bowler (and think that’s something special) deserves a slap. That’s the most watered down award there is. And still some will argue it isn’t. I don’t give a flying F about awards. I want to see him make plays, not dance. No excuses saying he doesn’t have help etc. You guys have pined for him having a double digit sack guy. He has one now. Have you seen a difference? Nope. Be gone Geraldine McBooty!
December 8th, 2018 at 9:16 am
So, what does Chris “Mad Dog” Russo have to think about Geraldini?
December 8th, 2018 at 9:17 am
Joe, I’m curious. Send in a comment on this story at about 6 AM that just disappeared. No bad language or anything like that. Not the first time that’s happened to me, and others have had the same thing happen to them from what I’ve read in their subsequent comments. Has JBF changed its policy about what passes for an ‘acceptable’ comment?
Many here are flagged permanently for misrepresenting Joe and/or Joe’s writing. So that can cause a delay in the comment approval process. –Joe
December 8th, 2018 at 9:54 am
GMAC has a “nice” personality, Sapp was a “surly ahole”.
A certain percentage of all football fans have a very basic and superficial level of thinking about what football is. They only see the brutal and competitive side.
Football is also a thinking man’s game. It is like a chess match. This is common to all team sports.
Sapp and GMAC were/are great players because of their brains also. All players have to be smart as well as athletic to excel. The guys on the line are as bright as any of the other players at any position.
So what else is old? Not saying anything that hasn’t been said before.
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Go Bucs!!!
December 8th, 2018 at 10:10 am
The hate is unreal. It literally is the equivalent of flat-earther’s logic. GMC deserves better then what Dominik and Licht have thrown out there on the ends and call it help.
December 8th, 2018 at 10:13 am
Joe, wondering the same thing as what Defense Rules mentioned.
December 8th, 2018 at 10:24 am
The most ignorant part of the argument is calling McCoy soft. You anoint yourself a bonified moron when that is part of your argument. If you believe (truly) he is soft you are in fact not worth listening to or debating with when it comes to production, pay, pro bowls, etc. You simply have no clue. Go Bucs!
December 8th, 2018 at 10:32 am
ps: worth every penny. Not (not) your money. May be slowing but still making plays and being studied by real analysts (did you not see the video above?). Go McCoy! Love you on this team! Thanks for your leadership, drive, and meaningful plays to cinch the win last week. Give us more! Go Bucs!
December 8th, 2018 at 10:33 am
Reach87 Says:
December 8th, 2018 at 10:24 am
The most ignorant part of the argument is calling McCoy soft. You anoint yourself a bonified moron when that is part of your argument. If you believe (truly) he is soft you are in fact not worth listening to or debating with when it comes to production, pay, pro bowls, etc. You simply have no clue. Go Bucs!
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GMC is a big fat softie, you know why? Because he doesn’t produce as much as he’s paid. And you know what? He apologizes to quarterbacks after hitting them, and helps his opponents get off the ground, and he laughs and giggles while being on a losing team. That makes him a big fat softie
December 8th, 2018 at 10:40 am
Simply a career loser who has not nor will ever win a single meaningful win in his career
December 8th, 2018 at 10:45 am
It is really simple to me, the people who bash GMC think every DT should be Sapp or Aaron Donald, that’s just not realistic. Gerald McCoy is better than 95% of the DTsin the NFL since he came into the league.
Basically the haters are simply ignorant.
Pseudo fans.
They don’t know a damn thing about football
December 8th, 2018 at 10:47 am
GMC is the 2nd best DT we’ve ever had and are lucky to have him. Haters are just that, haters. They will always find a target to hate. Heck, Taylor Swift even wrote a song about it!!!
December 8th, 2018 at 10:59 am
Talk about beating a dead horse. Those of us who don’t care for him have eyes and can see his effort or in this case lack of. No big deal some like him some don’t but to say people are idiots and morons because we don’t agree with a specific opinion is crazy. When the majority of fans on this site agree we have a pretty damn good record of being right. Very little of this argument has to do with skill set it is the inconsistent lack of effort. Three words make me dislike McCoy….back side pursuit. Sapp was relentless as is JPP on our team now. Does not matter where the play is even if it’s 20 yards down field those guys are at least attempting to make a play. McCoy is standing there watching like a fan on the sideline. If you are lucky he might jog a few yards to get a closer look at what’s going on.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:06 am
The worst part is we went out and picked up an extremely good/great player in JPP. This is his first year on the Bucs and every week he plays like this is his last. He is here showing you what a great player does to help his team and its evident to anyone who watches Bucs games. If you think McCoy is anywhere near JPP in effort or talent I don’t know what to say. Maybe being bad for so long everyone is happy with above average.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:32 am
Lol at the commenters who say ‘all the fans can see it why can’t the bucs’? You come to this site for its honesty and thoroughness. The joes have asked a number of offensive-minded individuals what’s up with GMC. All of them say he is a force to be accounted for. Yet you yell at sky like the anti-trump loons as if you know better. Just because the joes allow you to spew your half-baked opinions and others share it doesn’t make it a valid or objective opinion.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:51 am
I think JPP is rubbing off on McCoy. Beckles said last week was some of the best football he can recall from McCoy. I agree and will even say I saw a bit of dog in Gerald.
If this continues then look out. But let’s be honest and not have a kneejerk reaction. He played well in the 49ers game too. Ok 2 games. That’s not going to be good enough to change my opinion on Gerald. If he can keep it up and close out the season consistently I will take bavk what I said about Gerald and his “don’t make me laugh” campaign.
And the guy who said Gerald is a lockerroom cancer needs to be ignored. He must have been dropped on his head as a baby.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:52 am
@Joe … “Many here are flagged permanently for misrepresenting Joe and/or Joe’s writing. So that can cause a delay in the comment approval process. –Joe”
Got it. Thanks.
December 8th, 2018 at 11:52 am
LOL!!! 🙂
December 8th, 2018 at 12:06 pm
You are what your record says you are…. results prove cancer93 is the undisputed face of the basement years and a career loser void of heart, pride or the drive to great. Avg dt and most overrated buc of all time which ssys a lit given all the garbage that has played for this minor league franchise. You are either a winner or a loser and cancer93 is a loser the results prove it.
All you low standard losers can spin it anyway you like but the 100 million dollar cryin clown never made those around him better nor dies he understand what it takes to be a winner. Quitters like cancer93 are horrible role models
December 8th, 2018 at 12:20 pm
She is a perfect fit for bucs ring of underachievement with the rest of the career losers and 1 hit wonders that low standard bucfan calls legends
December 8th, 2018 at 12:31 pm
Tmax are you even rooting for Gerald to repet his performamce from last week?
Probably not, I see you are still crying g about the Buccaneers from 1999. Your stuck in the past and thusly irrevelant
December 8th, 2018 at 12:40 pm
JimmyJack
Does it really matter what happens next game…. season was over before it started its a buclife
December 8th, 2018 at 12:55 pm
I read all comments n some of u make my brain hurt lmao🤦♂️🤷♂️
December 8th, 2018 at 1:14 pm
Sorry to tell you tmax but some of us still care. I know it’s easier to give up on our team but that’s the cowards way out if you ask me.
December 8th, 2018 at 1:16 pm
I maybe wrong
But I pretty sure GMC was held up as the Face of the Franchise
Especially before Jamies. ie LEADER
AND YES JOE I have stated many times GMC is a good player
BUT ON THIS SITE HE IS SHOWN AS THE ELITE DT
NO.
Elite means you are a game changer like Aaron Donald. Mack. JJ Watt
December 8th, 2018 at 1:45 pm
McCoy made his 16 million this year. What else matters? JPP has shown in months what a loser this guy was for a decade.
December 8th, 2018 at 2:16 pm
I’ll be curious to see how McCoy plays on Sunday. There is no rule against having a resurgence during the back end of your career.
I have to admit this looks like the most talented line McCoy has ever been on!! For now and in the future.
GO BUCS!!!
December 8th, 2018 at 2:59 pm
Todd, FTW.
December 8th, 2018 at 3:58 pm
Bradentonbuc Says:
December 8th, 2018 at 11:32 am
Yet you yell at sky like the anti-trump loons as if you know better.
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And like a pro-trump idiot, contextual based facts are optional
December 9th, 2018 at 11:20 am
He’s so valuable that the d line doesnt miss a beat and usually play better when he is out