“Obviously In Tampa There’s Going To Be An Opening”
December 7th, 2018
Goner, says a national NFL voice.
Plenty of plugged-in folks out there don’t believe what former Bucs general manager Mark Dominik was selling yesterday.
For those who missed it, Dominik detailed why he believes Team Glazer could allow Dirk Koetter to survive a 7-9 finish. If so, that means Koetter would try for the fourth freakin’ year to get through the first half of a season without a losing record. Pass the Tums!
Anyway, count longtime NFL insider Pete Prisco among those certain the Bucs will have a new head coach next month.
Prisco was on WDAE-AM 620 this week and twice was very assumptive about Koetter already being done in Tampa.
First, Prisco talked about how maturely Jameis Winston is playing and that he’s very close to solidifying his starting QB job for a new head coach in 2019. “The next regime, the next coaching staff, has to be thrilled with the progress he’s making right now,” Prisco said of Jameis.
Then later in the interview, Prisco talked about NFL head coaching vacancies and said, “Obviously in Tampa there’s going to be an opening.”
Joe can’t predict what’s in the football hearts and business minds of Team Glazer. However, Joe knows the owners are passionate fans who had high expectations for this season.
With all due respect to Dominik, does anyone of sound mind really think Team Glazer is going to think Dirk Koetter accomplished anything by winning his first two games and then closing the season 5-9?
December 7th, 2018 at 5:34 am
If DK finishes season with no more losses, owners will probably keep.
December 7th, 2018 at 5:39 am
7-9 should keep his job.
Look I don’t like DK as our head coach. He makes way too many mistakes with his live game decisions, plays favorites at times, and is hands off on the defense. Not qualities I like in a HEAD coach.
However, if anyone thought for a second after the JW suspension was announced, that we would have a winning record, that was a pipedream. Any consolation of developing our young players and having some good plays from our vets was the expectation I believe. And we got that.
Dirk is stilled tied to the hip with Janeis, if Jameis continues to play well and we finish 7-9 I think they get one last year together.
December 7th, 2018 at 5:45 am
Great, Joe. I can’t wait to see you pin him down at the next presser. You know, say to him in person.
Say what? Coach, Prickly Pete Prisco says you’re getting fired. What’s your reaction? –Joe
December 7th, 2018 at 6:01 am
Jameis suspension and the high turnover rate over the last two years, requires
a full evaluation during the last four games, IMO. He has thrown the balll with more touch and made plays with his feet. in the last two games. Lets hope he can continue that. That will solidify his future. I believe Koetter benching Jameis for more than one game sent a message to Jameis that he had to protect the ball better. It wasn’t a popular decision but it was the right one and Jameis has responded.
December 7th, 2018 at 6:18 am
Bob ^^^
Absolutely right. You all may hate Koetter, but his decision to bench Jameis just may have saved Jameis career and changed his turnover ways. Tuck and run and nothing wrong with taking a sack.
He simply wouldn’t due that prior to benching. He thought he could hit a Homerun on every play . Thought he could throw a ball between 3 people when under pressure.
Also , this visor is doing more then adding swag. Don’t buy that excuse for a second
December 7th, 2018 at 6:18 am
I just want Jason Licht to stay, along with Buckner and Monken. There is no way this team wins out..
If they do fine he can stay.but I don’t we them.finishinh 9 -7
December 7th, 2018 at 6:26 am
Wouldn’t Koetter receive credit for the Jameis improvement….after all, I think benching him caused him to change his on field actions.
I still believe there are enough negatives that can’t be blamed directly on coaching to justify retaining Koetter.
Turnovers
Kicker
Injuries
Suspension
The retention of Mike Smith was Koetter’s worst error…..but the Glazers may blame themselves or Licht for that somewhat.
Also the talent level could be primarily blamed on Licht.
If Koetter goes…..so should Light.
December 7th, 2018 at 6:27 am
What happened to the “Rock Star” title?
December 7th, 2018 at 6:47 am
Win out, make the playoffs, keep your job…
Anything less and time to move on
December 7th, 2018 at 6:54 am
Alanbucs- I was starting to sound like a broken record yesterday, so I’m glad somebody else said it. If it’s me, 9-7 is the bar.
I think we’re just a little over-excited about a 2-game stretch.
December 7th, 2018 at 6:55 am
What will be interesting to watch will be that if we do get eliminated from the playoffs (in all likelihood of course), if the team’s effort begins wane, that’ll tell whether or not the players want Koetter to stay. Anyone remember 2011? The 10 game losing streak got Raheem Morris fired, and the effort was noticeably missing on the field.
December 7th, 2018 at 7:06 am
I think Koetter stays because of how well the offense is playing. The Bucs have never had an offense that can score points the way this one does. Do the Glazers want to take a chance on screwing that up by bringing in a new coach who may want to change all the personal. They just need to get the defense fixed. They seem to playing a lot better for Duffner. We get our linebackers back next year and add some secondary help we could be pretty good. The team is still playing hard for Koetter. We could use help on the offensive line and at running back also. Kareem Hunt is still available for free.
December 7th, 2018 at 7:09 am
Dirk Koetter needs to stay, you all keep complaining about how he was only hired to improve Jamies, well he improved Jamies by benching him.
Now Shut up about firing Koetter
December 7th, 2018 at 7:09 am
If Koetter goes (which he won’t) so will Licht. If the guy who pics the coaches doesn’t get fired, then fire the Glazers!!! Get new owners because you can’t keep turning coaches over every two or three years. Unless you’re the Bucs and you want to keep losing…..
December 7th, 2018 at 7:23 am
I love the “Fire Koetter but keep Buckner/Monken” crowd. You’re not keeping the staff if you oust the coach.
Koetters staying, I trust Dom over Prisco
December 7th, 2018 at 7:23 am
Koetter and Monken have given us the best offense we’ve ever had here by far. Koetter’s biggest mistake was retaining Mike Smith. If anything, these last four games should be an evaluation of Duffner more than any other coach. I like what I’ve seen out of him so far though.
December 7th, 2018 at 7:24 am
Jameis is going to Jacksonville
December 7th, 2018 at 7:32 am
everyone is just so thrilled to be past that stretch of losing 7 out of 8 games…no one is thinking clearly now…let’s see how these last 4 play out…
we can thump the saints 23-17 or get housed 38-17…let’s see…we are still the bucs…
then off to baltimore for cold af conditions…and everyone knows how we play under 40 degrees..
let’s go bucs!…win the f out!
December 7th, 2018 at 7:42 am
“The Glazers stopped Jason Gump from making trades and extending contracts when the season started nose diving…
Gump and Klueless is out
NFL wants a splash hire and excitement in 2019”
Kobe Faker
December 7th, 2018 at 7:44 am
Win out or see ya. Are the players playing for their coach or their own pride, my guess is the defense is playing for Duffner, I think the offense is just that talented but we can’t get a running game, DJax and JW have no chemistry and DK has shown he will stick with something and not try something different, (last year playing musical guards, this year got us thinking Ronald Jones is a bust, I think a coach that knows how to use him will show us differently, sticking with DM 22 too long and how many time management issues and play predictability have we seen)
December 7th, 2018 at 7:47 am
Has to be some major change coming Glazer’s can’t be happy with empty seats despite giving away tickets for free
December 7th, 2018 at 7:48 am
koetter spotted in aisle 9 at publics yesterday evening with djax…
they were in the cereal aisle…
djax was overheard saying to dirk:
“you know i almost got on the wheaties box as a tween”
dirk said:
“whoop dee doo..now come on deshaun, let’s go to aisle 11, the cosmetics aisle, and get a file, so we can work on that nagging hangnail”
December 7th, 2018 at 7:49 am
Team Glazer and the optimistic buc fans like myself had high expectations for the season but nobody else did. NFL experts all across the board gave us no chance at anything this year and pretty much unanimously had us with a top 5 pick in 2019. We had a secondary full of rookies with the exception of an aging Grimes and Hargreaves who we lost first game of the season. Jameis was suspended the first 3 games of the year. How is any of this Dirk’s fault? I’ve said over and over that Dirk should’ve fired Mike Smith before the season started…. that was his main issue. And I hated the move when he got desperate and took away play calling from Monken. Outside of that…. I think he has done a good job with what we had. On the other hand you have had Jason Licht make quite a few questionable draft picks such as hargreaves, ronald jones, aguayo, OJ howard. I have OJ howard in here because he was a luxury item and quite frankly we needed defense. The Glazers and Licht could’ve used money to go get depth at CB in free agency but they didn’t. Instead we put all our hopes on rookies to begin the year. If anyone should be on the hot seat…. it should be Jason Licht. I think if we go 8-8…. you give both of these guys another year just for the continuity aspect and give them one last shot to see if they can put it together….if not fire both of them.
December 7th, 2018 at 7:49 am
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December 7th, 2018 at 7:54 am
Dirk is staying and here’s why,he’s an offensive minded coach and this year even though we haven’t won games left and right like expected the offense has been putting in historical numbers and most of the games were lost by 5pts or less. Everyone with the exception of RB have performed up to standards and more. You cant blame Dirk for the work of an absent defense. He stays and I say we pick up a NEW LBs coach because Duffner has shown he can do enough to warrant keeping the DC position.
December 7th, 2018 at 7:55 am
Jason Licht and the entire scouting department needs to pack sand then with a new GM or Pres then koetter will probably be sent packing as well…..glazers should be talking to nick saban on January 7 at midnite when he wraps up another natty and give him the keys
December 7th, 2018 at 7:55 am
and call me crazy but Jameis finally taking that glove off his throwing hand has a lot to do with his improvement……
December 7th, 2018 at 8:01 am
It goes back to the unforgivable sin. We still don’t, and may never know “who” actually fired Mike Smith. “If” it was Koetter, what was the last straw? By the time he was fired, it was already too late. I have my doubts that that was Koetters call.
December 7th, 2018 at 8:04 am
They said we would be 0-3 to start! We CAN run the Table we have a new improved Jameis!!
December 7th, 2018 at 8:08 am
If dirk is not fired then we’ll know what the glazers are all about, they are about continuity over wins. Dirk has done nothing and no coach in team history has ever had these kinds of weapons. They had their chance and they blew it. First mistake in the offseason was not firing Mike Smith then Koetter made it worse by thinking a scar back type running back would solve the run game. Playing garbage playing and having a stupid rotation on the offensive line. Just dumb decisions all around solidifies he’s simply a coordinator and doesn’t have the stones to be an nfl head coach and will never get another shot. Now I see why he couldn’t handle a college program either
December 7th, 2018 at 8:15 am
Not There great points……… but I think with the OL it goes back to Warhop and his poor coaching and talent evaluation along with licht because warhop recommended anthony collins back from day 1 and dumbo licht listened; and the OL dradft picks and personnel moves have been garbage…letting donald penn walk on either warhop advice or lichts decision was RED FLAG #1 that these dolts have no clue
December 7th, 2018 at 8:29 am
LOL! You should follow that up with, “Coach, the majority of JoeBucsFan readers have little to no confidence in you. Thoughts?”
December 7th, 2018 at 8:30 am
The odds of this team winning any of NO at home, Balt on the road or Dal on the road are slim to none. IMHO the only way The Glazers keep Koetter is if Winston has truly turned the corner with the turnovers and the players haven’t quit. Watching JVille last night was painful. They looked like they wanted to be somewhere else. Those two road games will be huge for Koetter since the Bucs haven’t traveled well. Play good road football and prove that you are improving and the Glazers may keep him. Play like you did in Arizona last season and you are dead man walking.
December 7th, 2018 at 8:36 am
No more head coaching changes!
December 7th, 2018 at 8:37 am
Dapostman- Yea that Jax team was done by halftime. For the “old-school’ers” like myself, watching Henry run all over people was better than any passing performance I’ve seen all year. Just imagine having receiving weapons like we do, then adding a back like Henry. Good freakin’ luck!
December 7th, 2018 at 8:38 am
I like Dirk Koetter, and I think his players like him & are playing hard for him.
I have also come to think that his tough-love benching of Jameis has ended up being one of the best things that could have done to help Jameis.
But the single biggest indictment of Dirk as Head Coach, in my opinion, is the monstrosity of letting Mike Smith continue as DC when it was clear that we were completely over our heads. — And then he made it worse by saying “If we fired him……… then what?”
Duff has shown what the hell could have been “then what.”
December 7th, 2018 at 8:40 am
Koetter hasn’t lost this team, this is obvious. I watched a team last night in the Jags who mailed it in on their coach, they gave up and cant wait until the season ends. The Bucs have done just the opposite. They keep playing with heart and passion. Even during the losing streak. This speaks volumes to me.
December 7th, 2018 at 8:42 am
No, how about should anybody of sound mind think you should be retained. That should do it.
December 7th, 2018 at 8:43 am
One More Year….for L&K…
December 7th, 2018 at 8:52 am
Licht needs to be the 1st to leave …yesterday !
December 7th, 2018 at 8:52 am
i was telling some dumb a$$ yesterday dom dont know what the hell he’s talking about…lol….
stick a fork in dirk…he’s done….
KRIS RICHARD 4 HC!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
December 7th, 2018 at 9:16 am
John. Harbaugh.
After an eventual 6-10 finish this year (not beating Saints, cold weather at BAL, or Cowboys defense), and Steve Bisciotti wants someone else to make the most of Lamar Jackson in BAL, Licht needs to start campaigning hardcore for Harbaugh to choose Tampa over all others! Maybe let Monken interview to remain as OC.
John. Harbaugh.
December 7th, 2018 at 9:37 am
First, two games isn’t a large enough sample size to see if Jameis has truly “fixed” his turnover issues. Second, there’s still a quarter of the season left, and like it or not, the Bucs are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. For this knucklehead Prisco to be telling everyone that Koetter is already gone is complete nonsense. Lot of season left and my suspicion is that the Glazers are going to watch the entire thing unfold before making any decisions. I have no clue what the Glazers are going to do and neither does anyone else that doesn’t work in the building.
December 7th, 2018 at 9:40 am
When it comes to speculation by the national media of what the Glazers will do, Mark Dominik is BY FAR the most credible person to listen to on that subject.
Koetter (and the entire staff) will be back if we win at least 2 more games, minimum. I think we can win a solid 3 out of 4, but hopefully I’m wrong and we win every single game the rest of the year (including the Superbowl).
December 7th, 2018 at 10:04 am
It is funny when the media turns on someone they have been covering for. It makes it easy when you have an easy scapegoat to cover the rest of the issues.
December 7th, 2018 at 10:21 am
Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying I know for sure but…
I do not agree with the people who are either Jim or John Harbaugh fan’s.
Those guys can coach for sure but are either great NFL coaches. Right now in the NFL, you need big time passing offenses. Then when your defense is solid, you can win some games by running the ball in the 4th quarter.
Both Jim and John have never had great quarterbacks. Average at best. Do we want guys that develop average QB’s.
Not excited for either of those possibilities.
December 7th, 2018 at 10:30 am
gotta win sunday, and at home against atlanta, and squeeze one more out vs the boys or ravens.
Mike Mccarthy is a great coach IMO. Instant credibility. Love his intensity on the sidelines.
Yeah he finally wore out his welcome in Green Bay which happens. Andy Reid is a good example.
December 7th, 2018 at 10:30 am
Coach K lost my confidence and support when he started Fitzpatrick for 3 straight games and put a healthy Jameis Winston on the bench! (3 straight losses btw that effectively torpedoed any hope of playoffs this year).
I see some saying – “tough love” – “see it worked” – “Koetter fixed Jameis…”
Well – that’s a nice narrative and sounds pretty good in retrospect – but its revisionist history IMO.
If that had actually been the case – and Koetter actually deserved the credit for dishing out “tough love” and “fixing Jameis” – then the words out of his mouth when asked why at the time would have been different…
IE: – “Winston’s interception ratio is KILLING us in the games he’s played this year. Someway. somehow this talented and still relatively young QB has GOT to stop turning the ball over. We believe in his talents and that he has a great future here in Tampa Bay – but for now – he’s going to sit because more turnovers than TDs equates to more losses than wins. I believe in Jameis and that in time he can get this “turnover bug” turned around – but thus far, since he came back from suspension at least, he has not played well and last time he was on the field he threw 4 interceptions. There’s a lot of jobs on the line here including mine if we can’t get Jameis to stop turning the ball over to the opposing defense. So unless and until he can get that sh!t fixed – and I truly believe that it IS ‘fixed’, Jameis is benched and I’m riding with the veteran QB who – yea, I’m aware has his own history of turnover ‘issues’ over the many years he’s played – but who also played amazingly for us the first 2 games of the season and got us off to a great start”.
But that’s not what Coach K said at the time is it?
He said “Fitz gives us the best chance to win” and that’s all he really said. And he didn’t waiver from that hard to imagine position – even after the Redskins debacle where the defense FINALLY played well enough to win and the offense racked up 500+ yards – yet the Fitz led Buccaneers offense only managed 3 lousy points…
Koetter STILL rolled with Fitzy against a very beatable Giants team and the result was a multi Interception Fitztragic performance that resulted in a season killing 7th loss before Thanksgiving!
Winston was only brought back to the field in an absolute last ditch effort to try and get some wins and save Dirk’s job. And it just might wind up working out that way if the Bucs can somehow win 3 out of their remaining 4 games to finish the season at .500 – winning 5 out of their last 6 games.
So again – lets not attribute brilliance to coach K’s alleged “fixing” of Jameis Winston when IMO the evidence shows he was basically just making scared and desperate decisions this year regarding his two talented yet turnover prone Quarterbacks.
Winston’s ultra-competitive nature, hard work ethic and desire to WIN “fixed” his own turnover problems (for 2 games at least).
Being benched for 3 games may indeed have been the ultimate catalyst that caused the lightbulb to finally come on in Winston’s brain regarding the correlation of his turnovers to losing football games. Or perhaps it was watching Fitz lose 3 straight games doing the same damn thing!!
But let’s not pretend this was Koetter’s ‘master plan’ all along just because it appears to have worked out that way…
December 7th, 2018 at 11:11 am
@Pickgrin,
Koetter’s plan once Winston was in meltdown mode in Cincinnati was to fix him and while he was doing it try to win with his backup. What’s Koetter supposed to say? Fitz is only playing because Winston needs to fix his turnover ratio? He had already stated Winston will be playing later in the year and there was a lot of football left. People can disagree all they want but the Winston of the last 2.5 games is vastly different from the previous 2.5 games. We’ll see if this is a trend or a mirage. Hoping for a trend.
December 7th, 2018 at 11:15 am
8-8 and 9-7 with no chance to contend in post season landed dungy the clown in ring of underachievement. 7-9 in bucland is worthy of a contract extension
December 7th, 2018 at 11:30 am
High expectations? what a joke ..almost everyone on here or on local or national media picked the Bucs to not do better than 6-7 wins. It’s becoming perfectly clear Joe’s intentions. Soapbox much?
December 7th, 2018 at 11:49 am
My poor fellow Buc fans. I love all of you. Actually Hopin..believin..wishin..we could run the table on our remaining games. Are you kiddin me? I’m gonna have DEA check your residences..I know y’all stashin and smokin some. outta planet Sh..!!!
December 7th, 2018 at 11:52 am
This offense is as potent as they come, Jameis is maturing all by himself and the defense has gotten much better since they let smith walk out the door. I can’t see why the wouldn’t keep him, we had a bad year it happens. Let the staff have a year when there aren’t so many walking wounded and see what they can do. What fantastic potential coaches are out there that want to come to Tampa anyway? Tony Dungybis our highest profile coach and he was in the infancy of his career. Leave it alone and get the draft correct, get rid of over priced vets who do nothing and let’s give it a go next year.
December 7th, 2018 at 11:54 am
I also believe the remaining games will decide Koetter’s fate. I can see 7-9 being enough, depending on how the games are played.
Jameis playing better was against low-grade opponents. This next game will truly show us if he has improved. Regardless, I believe Jameis stays in Tampa, even if we lose out.
Last year, people swore Koetter would be fired. It did not happen. There are a lot of circumstances that led to this bad season, most of which were outside Koetter’s control. Injuries. Kicking. Rookies having to start. Smitty being Smitty (and no, Koetter is not the only person who decided to fire a coach). The Suspension being a huge distraction. Jameis playing his worse football after returning. Vita Vea getting injured in Camp and not being able to even start developing until part of the way through the season.
Once the injuries started piling up and the rookies had to play, it had to be clear to everyone involved that the rookies would need time to improve, which meant losses.
If I were the Glazers, I would consider those things and this:
The players are still behind Koetter 100%. They have not given up on him. Can this be said for Raheem Morris? Greg Schiano? Lovie Smith? Nope.
That carries a lot of weight.
Those things, combined with the remainder of the season, should be what the Glazers consider in the determination.
December 7th, 2018 at 11:56 am
Koetter is no where near worthy of an all around NFL coach. We will stay in the dumpster fire of the NFC South as long as he’s here. Spin, spin, spin.
December 7th, 2018 at 11:56 am
@tmaxcon
Tony Dungy should have never been fired. A good OC and the same draft/free agents would have won us a superbowl anyway. And you can believe the team would not have started to self destruct like it did with Gruden.
December 7th, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Yes he should have. Should have been two years prior. No way Dungy would have made the same changes on offense that Chucky did, which were absolutely necessary to get the Bucs over the hump.
Given McKay and Dungy’s inability to recognize much less develop offensive talent (other than running backs), what makes anyone think Dungy would have restocked his team with receivers and tight ends? Dungy had many chances to hire a modern (for the time) offensive coordinator and add talent. He didn’t, thus he was gone.
Dungy’s inability to upgrade the offense cost the franchise at least one Super Bowl.
December 7th, 2018 at 12:11 pm
I don’t know what some of you are smoking but Dirk and Jameis do not have a good relationship. Both of them have remained professional publicly but I have little doubt that there is beef between the two. Dirk benching Jameis didn’t do anything but cause us to lose 2 games that we needed to win. There is zero excuse for Dirk allowing a journeyman QB to play after the magic faded. It’s criminal that Dirk tried to sell everybody on Fitz giving us the best chance to win. It was stupid then and it’s even more egregious now. It literally cost us 2 games that were easily winnable. We would seriously be talking playoffs if we beat the Skins and G-Men. I’m bitter about that and so should Bucs fans and the Glazers. I don’t hate Dirk. I don’t think he’s a good Head Coach but I would prefer that this team had performed as they should. I don’t want to hear about how the Jameis suspension railroaded the season. We were 2-1. Jameis only had 1 clunker against the Bengals. A smart coach brings in Fitz at halftime and goes right back to Jameis after the first Panthers game. Unless we win out, Dirk needs to go. Otherwise it will be more terrible first halves in games and terrible first halves of seasons which is too much to overcome.
December 7th, 2018 at 12:24 pm
cmurda Says:
“Jameis only had 1 clunker against the Bengals. A smart coach brings in Fitz at halftime and goes right back to Jameis after the first Panthers game”
Exactly!
At worst the Bucs would be sitting at 6-6 now with a glimmer of hope for playoffs if Winston had been brought back after the Carolina game. More likely 7-5 and in real contention. SMH
December 7th, 2018 at 12:25 pm
^^^
now we have a mind reader …never ceases to amaze me.
December 7th, 2018 at 12:33 pm
Even if we win out, DIRK NEEDS TO GO, LICHT NEEDS TO GO. The Offense is great IN SPITE of Coach Koetter. Benching Jameis and then lying to everyone about Fitz giving us the best chance to win is a fire-able offense by itself without talking about game mismanagement that has happened every year he has been HC(it’s gotten a little better as of late), he was too loyal to Mike Smith AND THAT COST US GAMES and dignity. And if Koetter is retained, and comes out of the gate 0-3, 1-3, 1-2-1 or similar next season, WHICH CAN HAPPEN, we will have another lost year and a locker room riot on our hands. It’s time to move on.
December 7th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
Koetter has made numerous mistakes but his loyalty to Mike Smith had just as much damaging effect as Jameis Winstons suspension and that’s why he must go.
December 7th, 2018 at 1:38 pm
cmurda & pickgrin
i agree….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
December 7th, 2018 at 1:51 pm
Your persistence in being positive is impressive, but Tony Dungy took that team as far as it could go. It’s absurd for you to even say this, because Tony Dungy would have never brought in the guys that Gruden brought in.
This is why it’s equally absurd when anyone says that Gruden won with Dungy’s guys.
December 7th, 2018 at 2:26 pm
@Mike Johnson- You’re effin’ up the rotation!!! Puff, puff, GIVE!
December 7th, 2018 at 2:29 pm
“Dungy’s inability to upgrade the offense cost the franchise at least one Super Bowl.”
Dungy’s teams averaged almost exactly the amount of points as Grudens….
December 7th, 2018 at 2:34 pm
D-Rome
tony dungy would not have brought in any one of his star players on defense. sapp was a pothead and brooks was coming off a college suspension and free shoes u controversial….. hiring dungy was a mistake period. he waasted the careers of more hall of fame claiber playes than any pervious coach in nfl history. from sapp to manning no one can waste a hall of fame like dungy the clown.
Sam Whyce built the bucs not dungy the clown.
December 7th, 2018 at 2:50 pm
Speaking of “puff-puff-give”, What’s up tmax?!!!
For the “Gruden won with Dungy’s team” crowd, it took a HOF QB in Peyton Manning in order for Tony to win one. Just sayin’!
December 7th, 2018 at 4:18 pm
Why wouldn’t they keep him? Why would you give up an a developing team? We have the most productive offense (Dirk Koetter’s) we’ve ever had and they’re improving. Our defense shows signs of being decent if they can get a break with injuries. I believe JPP told us earlier this year, not to expect the line to gel for awhile – looks like that is happening and when it does it is making things better in the backfield. Mark Duffner is correcting Mike Smith’s mistakes. All of the mistakes that have been made are lessons learned – and there is every sign that the team is learning from them. They may be seeing an Epiphany over the last couple weeks and that victory thing tastes good. We don’t have a “win now” organization – because we can’t attract the personnel it takes – nor will we be able to. There have been a LOT of lessons learned over the last couple years and a LOT of experience gained (including some maturity in our very young QB). Why would you let those lessons and that experience go now – to the benefit of some other organization? You can do no worse keeping DK another year than you will in in getting a new coach and starting over – AGAIN. I personally believe we’re improving – sometimes it’s a painful process – but I think this regime will take us to the playoffs next
December 7th, 2018 at 5:26 pm
bucsfan
you got it twisted my friend….
manning was getting his head kicked in by tom and the gang until tony arrived….lol….
and he almost let rex grossman beat him in the SB…lol…
but their both HOFers with 2rings now so who cares….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 7th, 2018 at 5:30 pm
Joe Says:
December 7th, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Tony Dungy should have never been fired.
Yes he should have. Should have been two years prior. No way Dungy would have made the same changes on offense that Chucky did, which were absolutely necessary to get the Bucs over the hump.
Given McKay and Dungy’s inability to recognize much less develop offensive talent (other than running backs), what makes anyone think Dungy would have restocked his team with receivers and tight ends? Dungy had many chances to hire a modern (for the time) offensive coordinator and add talent. He didn’t, thus he was gone.
Dungy’s inability to upgrade the offense cost the franchise at least one Super Bowl.
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Really Joe? Mike Shula sealed Dungy’s fate. And speaking of Shula, he was on the recent Panthers team that made the playoffs. Not sure where the Chucky worship comes from but it sure is misplaced!