Best Coach Available
December 12th, 2018
Decision.
The following term makes Joe’s skin crawl.
During NFL draft season, you will hear people parrot the misleading if not false narrative, “Best player available.” That may be the absolute worst, most irresponsible draft philosophy known to man.
Not only would that lead team to not address a need, it would be irresponsible. So a team should draft a guy that would likely sit? Unreal!
But when it comes to what Team Glazer decides about whether to move on from Bucs Bit-O-Honey-snacking, Ozark-loving, yams-eating coach Dirk Koetter, Jenna Laine of ESPN believes if the pool of available candidates doesn’t excite Team Glazer, they may just elect to stay the course with Koetter.
Similar to last season, the Bucs’ decision to retain Koetter or let him go will come down to the supply and demand of available coaches as the Browns and Green Bay Packers have already thrown their hats into the ring.
It’ll also come down to what types of changes prospective coaches will want to make and how much roster control they will want. There are coaches who may want to come in with their own general manager who shares the same views in terms of organizational structure, schemes and talent evaluation.
It is a widely held belief — confirmed by no one, even though Joe tried his best to get Chucky to talk last February at the combine — that had Chucky not turned down Team Glazer last fall, he would be roaming the sidelines for the Bucs (again) and not Koetter.
Joe believes we can all agree the Bucs dodged a major bullet there.
December 12th, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Gruden would have gotten us the #1 overall draft pick. How is that dodging a bullet?
December 12th, 2018 at 2:07 pm
lol Theodore, yes Joe, we dodged a bullet.
December 12th, 2018 at 2:08 pm
#JimHarbaugh
December 12th, 2018 at 2:10 pm
I think if the followed anyone of the mock drafts the Bucs would be just as well off….
December 12th, 2018 at 2:10 pm
problem is if the best man for the job is on a team that goes deep into the playoffs we could wait 2-3 weeks after the season finale.
December 12th, 2018 at 2:13 pm
Joe
“Joe believes we can all agree the Bucs dodged a major bullet there.”
And why is that? Both sh!tty teams that aren’t getting into the playoffs. Chuckys one a SB (No chance in hell Koetter will). Raiders are stacked with picks, likely the #1, and have tons of cash for the new cap increase. They didn’t send Mack and Cooper away because they were being stupid. See what talent they can produce compared to the Bucs in the next few years.
December 12th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
*Chucky’s won a SB
December 12th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
#1 Chris Petersen
December 12th, 2018 at 2:17 pm
Well we have the best coach available
December 12th, 2018 at 2:28 pm
Chucky won super bowl because of Kiffin, Sapp, Brooks, Barber, Lynch, Smith, Jackson, Rice… Do I need to go on ? Give Dirk/Winston a defense that will hold a 14 point lead and watch what happens.
December 12th, 2018 at 2:32 pm
Gruden can’t draft and develop talent he’s awful and will be fired by year 5 as he will draft bust after bust
December 12th, 2018 at 2:32 pm
we are now known as the ybor city buccaneers
December 12th, 2018 at 2:33 pm
any coach who approves of jameis gets joe’s vote
December 12th, 2018 at 2:34 pm
and chris simms is the guava-spleen chuckaneer
December 12th, 2018 at 2:34 pm
Chucky will turn it around in Oakland. Nice win vs. Raiders. Three number ones next year.
Funny how Joe will give the local incompetents years and years and years, but buries Chucky in his first year with the Raiders.
Wont play out that way IMO
December 12th, 2018 at 2:37 pm
theodore Says:
December 12th, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Gruden would have gotten us the #1 overall draft pick. How is that dodging a bullet?
I could have gotten us the #1 overall draft pick. So could anyone else here.
December 12th, 2018 at 2:40 pm
Can we get Vinik and Jon Cooper over here #GO BOLTS!!!
December 12th, 2018 at 2:42 pm
^^ @SOEbuc, yes GO BOLTS, on this we can agree
December 12th, 2018 at 2:44 pm
John Fox has been a pretty good coach in NFL …might fix the defense..
December 12th, 2018 at 2:46 pm
So many folks here have no appreciation for the sweet nuance and exquisite patience displayed by L&K in building the Bucs…patience Coach Hoppers
December 12th, 2018 at 2:49 pm
It should read Best Coach Willing to Commit Career Suicide by working for glazers….
December 12th, 2018 at 2:50 pm
If we lose 2 of the next 3 games (hopefully we lose them all) there is no chance Koetter is brought back. Best case scenario (for us) he’ll be facing a 4 game losing streak. You can’t keep him after that because it’ll be proof positive that the team has quit on him. Time to move on. Guys like Ron Rivera (should he be available), Jim Harbaugh, Jack Del Rio, John Harbaugh (should he be available), Mike Tomlin (should he be available) Vic Fangio, and even Mike McCarthy sound a hell of a lot more appealing than Koetter at this point.
December 12th, 2018 at 2:55 pm
I think Chucky can still probably coach, but he has always and probably always will be terrible with people and evaluating talent. Giving him any control over the roster is a horrible decision, and will destroy any good he could do by coaching. Dude got rid of 2 supremely talented guys on both sides of the ball, and for what, picks? Lol, are you freaking kidding me??? What do you think are the chances he can get anyone even close to as talented as Mack and Cooper? I could give him 20 first round picks and he wouldn’t get guys as good as those two. Look, I am extremely grateful for Chucky and what he did for this team. I always will be. But that doesn’t change the fact that he is a very flawed coach, and he is absolutely destroying the Raiders. As long as he has any control over the roster, it will not get any better.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:00 pm
OneBucPerson
Guys like Ron Rivera (should he be available), Jim Harbaugh, Jack Del Rio, John Harbaugh (should he be available), Mike Tomlin (should he be available) Vic Fangio, and even Mike McCarthy sound a hell of a lot more appealing than Koetter at this point.
Every single one of those guys will have options. Why would any of them commit career suicide by coming to the worst run sports organization on planet earth… really put your damn homer glasses away and be realistic? this is the worst job in all of pro sports. None of those guys are stupid enough to accept a coaching job with a small market franchise with no fan base and no hope for the future… jumping off the skyway is a much better option than working for glazers.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:00 pm
We can hire anyone to coach as badly as Dirk. Giving him another year will just be another wasted year just like most fans with common sense said when they decided to bring him back for this year.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:03 pm
So if the Glazers tried to hire Gruden maybe they shouldn’t hire coaches ever
December 12th, 2018 at 3:07 pm
only way t his team has a chance in the future is riding themselves of glazers and career losers like cancer93 and dotson… i am surprised cancer93 did not file a #MeTooBeatUp claim after being mauled all day Sunday….
December 12th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
We will have to judge Gruden 4 years from now. He was an average drafter here. Maybe his years away from the game helped him understand the game better at the college level. They will have a ton of cash to spend and picks when they go to Vegas. Which is all that matters. Losing Mack hurt them cause him and Donald are the best in the game but we will have to see what they can do to replace them.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:10 pm
I’m not a fan at all of Gruden, but give me a break, this team would clearly be better off with Gruden in place. Gruden has been tearing apart the Raiders to get picks (although why he’d want picks when he has no idea how to use them I don’t get) and even with that, they’re only 2 wins behind Dirk and the Bucs – and they’re tanking on purpose – Dirk is actually trying everything to win and clearly has much better talent.
Again, I’m not a fan of Gruden, he destroyed what should have been a dynasty all so he could sign old washed up players like Charlie Garner, Tim Brown and every 35-year old injured offensive lineman he could find. In the next year or two Gruden will have the Raiders at 9-7 or 10-6, he won’t of course win in the playoffs without Monte, but he’ll be in the playoffs. Meanwhile the Bucs will fire Dirk, probably clean house, and then we’ll be back at 4-12 with 25,000 people in the stands for the next 10 years.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:11 pm
@SOEbuc-
who cares about all those draft picks? We already know Gruden is terrible on selecting players.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:16 pm
Rod Munch
Glazers destroyed what could have been a dynasty by hiring a one-dimensional clown to coach the team and waste 6 years of Sapp’s career….. that’s what cost the bucs dynasty. dungy the clown wasted more hall of fame players on two franchises than any coach in history…. you can’t rewrite history because you like the overrated fool with a career losing record in the post season. dungy wasted whyce’s players simple as that….
December 12th, 2018 at 3:23 pm
“He was an average drafter here. ”
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! You can’t be serious! That’s the best joke I’ve heard…….ever. Like in the history of jokes, that’s the best one ever.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:24 pm
@Joe … “During NFL draft season, you will hear people parrot the misleading if not false narrative, “Best player available.” That may be the absolute worst, most irresponsible draft philosophy known to man. Not only would that lead team to not address a need, it would be irresponsible.”
OK, who captured Joe and brainwashed him. Am I reading that correctly Joe … that you’re totally opposed to the BPA draft philosophy and that we should draft based on NEED instead? I personally believe that (in MOST but not all situations) but I was certainly under the impression that you were a BPA man based on some of your past writings. For the record, BPA has gotten us a number of excellent TEs & WRs. DLine & OLine & RBs? Not so much.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:25 pm
Give Gruden a few years and he will be the man…
December 12th, 2018 at 3:28 pm
KRIS RICHARD!!!!!!
we’ll have to wait until the playoffs are finished tho….
if green bay can fire a HC who had them in the playoff race every year, why cant we fire an HC that has never gotten us to the playoffs and consistently gets out coaches?….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 12th, 2018 at 3:32 pm
I like Chris Petersen
December 12th, 2018 at 3:38 pm
Brain Kelly from Notre Dame ?
December 12th, 2018 at 3:40 pm
Actually Gruden is doing the opposite of what you Goobers thought. Not getting veterans, but rebuilding through the draft and stockpiling picks.
If only he was as good a drafter as the rock star, the apple of Joe’s eye.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:45 pm
Koetter does some very goodthings but the things that he doesn’t know and recognize on his own team are as bad as I’ve ever seen !!!
Licht biggest mistake is the same as Indy and that is protect the qb !!! Licht has been trying to play o line wizard in his own lil , I was a o lineman and I’m gonna show the world how smart I am !!! Licht you have showed us what Indy showed A Luck we have our heads in our arsssss and are letting our #1 asset get beat on !!! Well Indy finally got there heads out of their arsssss and the line is much improved
December 12th, 2018 at 3:49 pm
Eric – He’s dumping veterans because they’re not “his guys”… it doesn’t mean he’s going to rebuild through the draft, it just means he’s clearing his salary cap situation up. Right now his leading RB is Doug Martin (who has looked really good) and his leading WR is Jordy Nelson and his leading TE is Jared Cook.
What do all those guys have in common?
Old guys, cheap contracts.
Gruden dumped Mack because he didn’t want that much salary cap space being eaten away by the defense, he wants that money spent on offense. For Cooper he didn’t like him, he’s not a Gruden “grinder”, so he’s gone.
Getting draft picks, with Gruden’s drafting record, isn’t building through the draft, it’s just cheap depth for all those overpriced veterans he’ll be bringing in this offseason and next.
Just look at what Gruden did to the Bucs once he successfully ran Rich McKay out of town, he cuts John Lynch, he runs Sapp out of town, all so he can sign Charlie Garner to $5m a year, all those injured 35-year old offensive lineman at $2.5-4m/year, could give Ion Gold a big money deal and could lock up Ellis Wyms for big bucks. That is Jon Gruden for you.
Also QB collecting is extremely expensive, and Gruden clearly hates Carr, so a lot of this could be clearing space just so the team can afford to take the one year hit that would come from dumping Carr.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:56 pm
@Rod
Of course he is building through the draft. Got five number one picks in next two years.
Actually Carr is coming around. Just beat the Steelers. As for destroying the bucs three winning seasons and two Division Titles in last four years here.
Please bring me that kind of destruction in the next four years.
December 12th, 2018 at 3:58 pm
Too early to characterize whatever Gruden’s doing, but I’m glad it’s not here again. Let’s check back in a few seasons.
December 12th, 2018 at 4:00 pm
realist
where you at?!!!!!!!!!
you had a lot to say the 1st 2weeks of September!!!!!!!!!…not much after that!!!!!!!….LOL…..
whats going on?!!!!!….you helping smitty bait the hook at the fishing pier?…..Lord knows he needs help…..lol….or are you researching moving trucks for dirk?!!!!!!!!…..
who has the better deal on 01/01/19?…U-HAUL or PENSKE?!!!!!!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 12th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
Actually Raheem Morris should be discussed
December 12th, 2018 at 4:24 pm
Koetter’s packing his things and order a Canada Goose jacket for his return to Idaho. HE GONE…
December 12th, 2018 at 4:31 pm
This team needs Kris Richard!!!!!
December 12th, 2018 at 4:46 pm
beebucs
BINGO!!!!!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 12th, 2018 at 5:30 pm
Eric – Gruden didn’t win anything in Tampa, the team won because of Monte and his ability to keep that defense a top 10, and normally a top 5 defense, Gruden’s entire time here.
What did Gruden do on offense exactly? Normally a mid-20s ranking. When you literally have the #1 defense in football for multiple years it’s really difficult NOT to make the playoffs, but even once they got to the playoffs what happened? One and done.
Gruden is massively overrated, he destroyed the team that Dungy and McKay built so he could rebuild it in his image – and that’s what we’ve had since 2004.
With that said Gruden is still a better head coach than Gruden. I’d take Dirk when it comes to running an offense, but as a HC, as in running the team week in and week out, Gruden is worlds better. But that’s a low bar to judge people by.
December 12th, 2018 at 5:32 pm
*…Gruden is still a better head coach than DIRK…
December 12th, 2018 at 6:08 pm
Got my seat reserved for the KRIS RICHARD train which will hopefully be pulling into One Buc Station in a few short months.
December 12th, 2018 at 6:20 pm
Kris Richard would bring the fire to these guys. If we hire him…. he needs to bring his his kick butt lieutenant with him…… ROD MARINELLI! Make him Associate HC/DC. Those two will whip this defense into shape REAL QUICK and weed out the weak. LETS GO!!! WE (Bucs Fans) are tired of this BS!!!!
December 12th, 2018 at 6:31 pm
We need to bring in a president of football operations and completely take the Glazers out of the equation. Idk who that would be. But as for head coach, my vote is leaning towards Kris Richard.
December 12th, 2018 at 6:40 pm
Gruden is going nowhere. He will be the coach of the Raiders for a very long time and yes we dodged a bullet thanks to the guy with the bowl cut.
December 12th, 2018 at 7:29 pm
Maybe I missed it but when has Chucky ever been a General Manager? As a coach he has input but at the end of the day he’s not that guy making the pick
December 12th, 2018 at 7:33 pm
Somebody said that Gruden was an average drafter! That’s hilarious. Davin Joseph was the only player that had a decent career despite being a wasted pick (drafting the least important starter on the field in a right guard). Other than that, Cadillac sS a bad pick if you throw out his first three games as a pro. Michael Clayton sucked other than his rookie season. In six seasons his best players drafted by position were QB Chris Simms. Gradkowki, and Josh Johnson, WR Clayton, RB Williams. TE did he even draft a TE that made the team OL Joseph and Trueblood. DL Dwayne White and Gaines Adams, LB Geno Hayes, DB Aqib Talib… a horrible draft list for a six year period.
December 12th, 2018 at 8:08 pm
Brooks for head of football operations
December 12th, 2018 at 8:44 pm
McCarthy and McKenzie tandem would be nice. The packers, south!
December 12th, 2018 at 8:59 pm
Joe you say taking the best available player is crazy. i agree, but we didn’t even get a good player in rounds 1 and 2. At least the best player available was Derwin James, we would have at least 1 starter from this draft class instead we ended up with nothing. the worst draft of all 32 teams. FIRE LICHT.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:15 pm
The Glazers don’t have to wait to talk to Jim Harbaugh or Chris Petersen behind closed doors. They are coaching college. Jim can covertly convince John to be a coordinator for him.
If you want the losing to really stop, go with the guys who have overwhelming success, not just barely over 55% wins. Jim Harbaugh went 44-19, 3 conference title games and went to a superbowl.
Chris Petersen is 136-32 in college.
As to the others you guys keep mentioning, they are horrible suggestions. You guys are just saying any name that comes to mind.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:16 pm
Grudens raiders will be back in playoffs before bucs are. If bucs hired gruden what difference would it have made? the bucs are in disarray now thanks to licht. Hire Saban & give him president & HC,
December 12th, 2018 at 9:18 pm
joestang Says:
“…we didn’t even get a good player in rounds 1 and 2…”
That is complete Bullspit.
For you to even say that invalidates everything you say.
December 12th, 2018 at 9:27 pm
Kris Richard. Give me a break. He has done literally NOTHING!
December 12th, 2018 at 10:28 pm
My point I’ve been saying, grass ain’t always greener. Koetter is learning on the job and so is licht. First time coach and first time GM. Both going through learning periods. Get some o-line help and some more defensive vets and bring back Koetter and Duff and watch this team next year… WATCH
December 12th, 2018 at 10:31 pm
And everyone talks about Koetter not being able to get a number 1 running back. Who’s job is that his or Licht’s???? ….. ???? Think about it. A lot of holes on this team and your telling me Dirk not only has to coach this team but draft and sign guys too? Then what is Jason Licht doing?????
December 13th, 2018 at 1:10 am
Pay Peyton Manning 20 million to be the head coach/QB to get back in the playoffs again.
December 13th, 2018 at 6:34 am
the pic above is a nice pic of the 4 glazer boys…now where’s he coach?
December 13th, 2018 at 10:02 am
I bet Gruden & the Raiders get to the playoffs before the Bucs & whoever is HC
December 13th, 2018 at 12:38 pm
Note to Glazers:Thanks for keeping the Bucs in Tampa and being outstanding members of the community.
Point.
having a president of operations is a coin flip.You have about a 50% chance of success.So why bother.Perception is everything.The owners,players and the fans will applaud your effort to change results.
December 13th, 2018 at 2:10 pm
I for one am super glad we dodged that bullet. Whew!! He might have torn this team apart, sent every all pro we have packing, and canned Jason Licht. But now we can keep the Super Bowl foundation that the Bucs have built. When you got something this good, you don’t mess with anything.
December 13th, 2018 at 11:22 pm
Knoxville – Gruden was the GM of the Bucs, regardless of what his official title was. He got McKay fired after McKay refused to sign an old washed up Andre Rison that couldn’t break a 5.0 40, and he went to the Glazers and threw a fit. He then hand picked Bruce Allen to be his “GM” because he was a “cap wizard”…. but anyone that doesn’t think it was Gruden calling the shots is completely nuts.