“There’s A Lot Of Strip Clubs”
November 22nd, 2018
Former NFL suit exposes Bucs.
In the eyes of a former NFL executive, the Bucs are a chaotic organization filled with an inept coaching staff so bad, that not even America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and his superpowers can stop exotic dancers from dragging the team down.
That, in a nutshell, was how former NFL executive Michael Lombardi described the organization known as your Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
In a frank if not brutal discussion about the Bucs, Lombardi blasted the entire organization from the very top story of One Buc Palace to the practice squad dudes. In no uncertain terms, Lombardi said the Bucs are run by a well-meaning, well-intentioned family not afraid to cut checks but the problem is the guys they hire have turned the franchise into the cesspool it has become.
Further, Lombardi added there are too many distractions in the Tampa Bay area to expect players to focus strictly on football 24/7/365, like in some cold, snow-buried, land-locked cities with strict puritanical blue laws mired in the middle of cornfields or cattle ranches.
In fact, Lombardi said the culture is so terrible within the walls of One Buc Palace that it may have ruined Jameis. And for that reason, Lombardi said the Bucs almost have to keep Jameis because of the chance they could hire someone in January capable of saving both the Bucs and Jameis’ career.
Lombardi, who learned the NFL working at the hip of Bill Walsh, Al Davis and Bill Belicheat, began talking about the Giants in his Ringer.com podcast when he launched into how bad the Bucs are and Lombardi didn’t hold back whatsoever.
“Look, I think the story here is how badly coached the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are — from everywhere,” Lombardi said. “I am at the point now that as critical as I have been on Jameis Winston, and I have been hard on him, I think that the environment and the culture is so bad in Tampa that I don’t know if I would give up on him.
“I would probably, if someone said you become the [Bucs] president of the team, you have to clear out the culture. You have to change what’s going on down there and you have to see if you can have this kid do it because that is really a bad organization. I mean they are bad. … To me, they have no chance. I mean, whether they keep Jason Licht or not as the general manager, whoever walks in there, what the Bucs better do is hire one guy to run their franchise.
“Now they tried to do that a couple of years ago when they fired Jon Gruden. Look, the Glazers will pay whatever they have to to find a coach. Can you see Brian Kelly from Notre Dame going down there? Without a doubt. Without a doubt, I could see that happening.
“I learned a long time ago you can’t get rid of a player unless you know for sure. And I don’t really know for sure [if Jameis is the franchise quarterback]. But I know one thing for sure, the Bucs are really, really poorly organized, poorly put together and poorly, fundamentally coached. They have no chance.”
Lombardi said it is an absolute no-brainer Bucs Bit-O-Honey-snacking, Ozark-watching coach Dirk Koetter should start Jameis the final six games of the season.
“At this point, you almost have to do it,” Lombardi said. “You have to let him play. [Journeyman backup Ryan] Fitzpatrick isn’t going to do you any good. You know a new coach is coming in. I don’t know if a new general manager is coming in. I don’t know that. But I think you definitely have to [start Jameis the rest of the season].
“Look, I just think — to me — that is as bad an organization as — I mean they are disorganized.”
Then Lombardi went away from One Buc Palace and sounded like a Rays fan in South Tampa that is scared to drive across a bridge to watch a game. Just like a Rays fan, Lombardi sounded the alarm there are too many things to do in the Tampa Bay area that prevent a team from focusing on football the way a team must.
Lombardi, in part, blamed clothing optional establishments.
“Look, when you run the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you have to be really, really concerned about where you are,” Lombardi said. “Tampa is a really interesting town. There is a lot of sh!t going on down there. A lot of strip clubs. A lot of stuff for the players to do. A lot of things outside of football that can affect your team.”
Lombardi said the Bucs need guys like Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks and John Lynch because they were so passionate and driven to succeed at football, that the strip clubs and the dog tracks and the fishing didn’t distract them from inhaling football every day of the year like true NFL players.
“They don’t have that right now,” Lombardi said.
Lombardi’s co-host Tate Frazier admitted that is one reason why the Bucs drafted Jameis because he had that burning passion to win and to succeed. The duo seems to think the culture of One Buc Palace may have swallowed Jameis up.
Look, this “culture” stuff Joe thinks, to quote the great Hall of Fame linebacker Jack Ham, is just “rhetoric.” Get good players, get good coaches to coach up the players and draft/sign well, and voila! You have a good team.
Joe always hears people talk about “culture” the way defrocked Bucs defensive coordinator Mike Smith talked about “communication.” Be specific!
All this talk about “culture” reminds Joe of what his old man — a guy who served in the Pacific Theatre in World War II — used to say about culture.
“Aw hell, there are tribes on these little South Pacific islands that don’t know how to use toilet paper — you call that culture?”
(And now you know the genesis of the handle Joe regularly uses, the “PFF Tribe.”)
The Bucs chatter in Lombardi’s podcast begins at the 55:28 mark below.
November 22nd, 2018 at 5:25 am
It’s up to the owners to right this Shippp!
November 22nd, 2018 at 5:27 am
Culture is relative and can hurt or save the populace depending on the box they are placed in. I’m not so sure the Bucs have a problem with the “opportunities” presented by Tampa Bay as much as not having leadership in the locker room to guide how things should be. Gmac, LVD, Kwon, JPP, Grimes, Dotson, Djax, none of these guys seem to have personalities who will step in and guide a team or even whoop your @ss when something is not going the right way. Who knows, I may be wrong, but I dont see the Larry Fitzgerald or Drew Brees or any of the other individuals in the league who dont put up with losing. There is a serious culture problem inTampa, and it surrounds lack of expectations to do your job and a passion to win.
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:02 am
It seems Mike Lombardi has a VIP Card to Mons and 2001 cuz he’s damn sure an expert on the topic.
LMAO.
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:08 am
Happy Thanksgiving, Joe. This is one of the best stories you have put on this site. I’m not sure I agree with the plenty to do here vs. elsewhere argument. There’s plenty to do in NYC, Boston & Providence, LA, Chicago, ect…the only real difference is that you can wear shorts and flips flops in December here compared to most places.
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:08 am
Sun and fun and money. What could go wrong? I think he’s on to something…
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:16 am
Culture is code for playas vs players…..A lot of our guys like the lifestyle of being a celebrity more then being actual professional players. Some of them may not even like football anymore but they like the checks and are so talented they can get away with being uncommitted.
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:20 am
The culture of losing starts with the notion that once you miss the playoffs you play for draft picks.
No…..the culture of winning means you fight hard to win every single game.
I would agree that the common thread of ownership runs through all of the losing coaches….
Unfortunately for Licht….if you are going to make wholesale changes….he must go also.
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:29 am
Bad drafting
6-10 talent
Our record is on par with our talent
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:33 am
I hate to say this Joe, but your old man sounds kinda racist :/
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:35 am
so basically the bucs are creepin’ thru the town smuttin’ it up as per lombardi ???
#HotDogsAndTacos
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:35 am
And I say this as someone with Pacific Islander heritage who happens to be proud of his culture and family history.
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:36 am
basically he’s saying they do what he does when he’s down in tampa… 🙂
#LingerieShops
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:41 am
Bunch of garbage IMO, there is a TON aid things to do in Miami even more so than Tampa, Jacksonville is not to bad either. Neither is Los Angelas! C’mon man quit with the lame arse excuses. Bottom line is this… First we had an owner in Baby Hughy Culverhouse who was TOTALLY into the Bucs to make money. Then it was sold to Malcolm Glazer who actually knew how to run an organization and it showed with our Super Bowl win. Then it was HANDED to his spoiled arse kids who if Buc fans remember when they bought Manchester United did not spend any money on this team! In fact we were UNDER a the salary cap for years. They only spent and continue to spend money on the Bucs because the league makes them do it!!! I’m not giving them ANY credit!!
November 22nd, 2018 at 6:47 am
Lmao all the glazers do is spend cash on the team. What a ridiculous scapegoat for a failure of coaching and drafting. Glazers are fine, it’s the people they hire who are screwing up
November 22nd, 2018 at 7:01 am
I can see posting another story about a culture in disarray, but adding strip clubs into the mix is almost comical. Are we supposed to believe Tampa is the capital of pornography and towns like New Orleans, New York, Los Angeles and Miami (to name a few) are puritanical paradises? I do, however, agree that the Glazers are well intended owners saddled with a lack of understanding the path required to run a successful football franchise. They spend, but very unwisely. Bill Polian is still amongst us. Too bad they can’t get him to dust off the mothballs and become head of football operations for a few years. The Glazers need an intelligent person to represent their interests—a person that has been gifted with a football mind.
Different thanksgiving this year—only that it falls on the 55th anniversary of JFK’s brutal assassination. That aside, Enjoy!
November 22nd, 2018 at 7:03 am
Clarence…you need a Walter Sobchak in your life: Forget it, Clarence (Donny), you’re out of your element!
November 22nd, 2018 at 7:28 am
When the culture word is thrown around it simply means the HC has no idea wtf he is doing. The ones who get it simply dont put up with the players who arent all in, or enough in that they are assets. I am still shocked this team won the first 2 games. Dirk should be long gone, instead here we are again. Wake me up when there’s a real HC here. Happy Thanksgiving Joes, and everyone. Thanks for the great info all year long.
November 22nd, 2018 at 7:29 am
Millionaire professionals should not be strayed by the distractions – and please tell me how NY/LA/Atl/Bos/MIA and so many other places don’t have far more distractions than good old Tampa Bay – that is a joke of an assertion
Now, the kid Glazers not having a clue how to build a football team sounds far more accurate
It always starts at the top
Just look at the parade of bafoons to which they have entrusted our franchise since Dad passed away
November 22nd, 2018 at 7:46 am
@Clarence…. sure they are spending it NOW because they are MANDATED to by the league. You must not have been in Tampa long… when Manchester United was first purchased for close to 5 years the budget for the Bucs was last in the league. Details the sheep soon forget.
November 22nd, 2018 at 7:54 am
The team has not had a culture since Dungy was fired. Other than that Lombardi seems like an angry guy jealous he’s been passed over for several NFL executive jobs; probably by the Bucs too. I get the impression Lombardi is preening to be hired by the Bucs or some other team this time around too. Lombardi did such a great job ::eye roll:: as GM with the Browns, didn’t he? Look, there have been coaching mistakes, yes. But to question the integrity and desire to play football of the current roster of players and to put into question that there are too many distractions in Tampa is asinine. You cannot tell me that New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Atlanta, New Orleans and even Dallas that there are not places where players can unwind and get away from football as much as they can if not more than here in Tampa. I doubt Gerald McCoy is thinking about some stripper at Mons while he’s playing football.
Another former football supposed guru (Lombardi) trying to hold on to relevancy.
November 22nd, 2018 at 7:58 am
At the end of the day the team attitude comes from the locker room…..
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:04 am
The Glazer boys are millionaires playing the bucs like it’s a board game of monopoly.
…………….they have tons of loot and just make stupid executive decisions NOT FOOTALL DECISIONS…….
Any well run organization boils down to people…..
and that’s from the very top all the way down to the end product which are the players on the field.
Where the Glazers screwed up, is by NOT having a President of Football operations to oversee EVERYTHING……….someone to come in and say:
– NO don’t draft this guy or
– NO we won’t hire this coach or
– NO this player doesn’t fit on this team
There was simply No oversight on Licht or Koetter and look at the results now.
The Glazers need to hire strictly a football guy who knows the game and has been part of a winning culture to make those overall bold decisions.
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:16 am
Clarence, there are strip clubs on the islands ya know. When I was on Guam there was a strip club named “G spot”. Half the men on island couldn’t find it.
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:17 am
The missing word here is “Incompetence”. It starts at the top and runs all the way to the bottom with the exception of maybe a dozen players and coaches. But that dozen is a good start and enough to build a franchise with “Competent” management and leadership. I wholeheartedly agree with Lombardi and other JBF commenters who have called for a President of Operations to oversee the rebuilding of the Entire Organization. Jason wants to be a buddy and bosses can’t do that. Let them hate you all the way to the Super Bowl 🏟
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:20 am
This isn’t about strip clubs and adventure, it’s about heart and desire.
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:22 am
Lombardi is close. But culture is not the root cause of the problem. And it is not coaching, or drafting. It is the Glazers inability to hire qualified people.
The problem goes all the way back to the firing of Rich McKay. The Bucs are a BILLION DOLLAR organization, but ownership is completely inept in hiring a “Chairman of the Board”. It all started when the Glazers gave Chucky control over personnel, then on to Rock Star Dominic and his lack of evaluating talent, now the man who frequently out smarts himself with things like moving up to draft a friggin kicker when the Bucs desperately need help at DB, DL, OL, etc.
And the coaching hires are even worse. The Bucs may very well have bad culture. But bad culture is the cesspool that is created from bad leadership. The successful organizations turn things around by making the right hires. Pittsburg, Patriots, Kansas City, the current Rams… Why the Glazers are so inept at hiring the key people is the billion dollar question!!
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:23 am
That is a plain stupid explanation. Look at Tampa and tell me there’s less to get in trouble with in LA or Denver, or Miami or NYC. You’re lying if you think it’s the area. Lying.
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:27 am
“January 6 2016, a nitwit meathead scout wannabe lied and conned the Glazer owners and the tampa bay bucs fans
We were trending up with Lovie as HC, klueless as OC and Gump as meathead GM
There was checks and balance of powers and accountability. The team was 6-6 and trendingup. Bonehead Kwonie gets suspended for the last 4 games and game fuel for Gump to backstap Lovie to topple the 3 headed leadership that was working without a doubt
100% THE GLAZER BOYS HAD ABSOLUTELY NO THOUGHT WHATSOEVER TO FIRE LOVIE IF NOT FOR GUMPS DECEPTION
is Kobe A fan of Lovie Smith. Hell no! Kobe despises nepotism! But lovie did have needed HC leadership skills and experience that Klueless absolutely doesnt have
2016 was great. We had a franchise qb. This qb had a special relationship with lovie. Both lovie and klueless as OC was developing jw and had a plan bouncing ideas.
Lovie ran the ball. With lovie few steps away from Klueless, dork was always forced to never stopping calling run plays AND SCREENS TO DOUG MARTIN AND CHARLES SIMS
Not only was there a special relationship with Jw, lovie had another rookie that he had plans to develop and lead the other side for the next 5 years. Lovie went all in with Kwon alexander. Drafted him , fired the DC and was going to be his mentor to lead his defense. Kwons development has regressed without Lovie
WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN IF NOT THAT FATEFUL DAY
JANUARY 6 2016…THE REDNECK SHAKESPEAREAN TRADEGY
2018, WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR NFC CHAMPIONSHIPS EVERY YEAR
WE HAVE BEEN CONNED
“Happy Turkey Day”
Kobe Faker
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:33 am
Team BETA MALE Glazers running the Tampa Bay SIMPS!
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:44 am
Culture? Like there aren’t distractions in Miami, Nawlins, Atlanta, New York/Jersey, LA, San Fran. All of those cities have as many or more distractions.
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:45 am
What deception Kobe? What did Licht tell the Glazers that wasn’t true?
November 22nd, 2018 at 8:52 am
Every team has distractions. You don’t think NO or LA have same dustractions? Gboys need a pres to run the organization. JP Peterson was only media guy preaching this but now he’s gone. I wonder why? Any time local media trashes the real problem they dissappear. I truely wish Joe Buc had the balls to trash these crap owners.
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:00 am
Give me a break, Green Bay might be the only NFL city that doesn’t have a strip club or 5. Didn’t stop New York / New Jersey and hasn’t stopped for Boro / Boston.
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:14 am
This does present an explanation for a franchise that continues to fail over an extended period of time. Joe rejects it without providing a sound rationale or an alternative explanation.
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:24 am
The “culture” references the belief the players have in themselves, their teammates, and, most importantly, their coaches. A losing culture is one in which that belief is so strained that the players expect to lose because they have no hope that they are being put in position to win.
The losing culture if this team dates back to a “too green for the job” replacement for a SB winning icon, a Bush League college “rah rah” coach that never gained the confidence of the team, to a “coach my scheme” dinosaur, and now to an offensive coordinator that is “hands off” the worst defense in modern history and has no clue when it comes to game day management.
This team doesn’t believe in their schemes, doesn’t believe in their coaches, and after watching the rest of their teammates fail, doesn’t believe in each other.
Losing Culture in total.
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:28 am
Is it all on the Glazers? And how do you fix that?
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:31 am
He’s right to a point, but I’ve lived in San Diego. Much more “fun” place to live than Tampa. New York Giants still win all the time. The Jets not so much…
Perhaps he’s onto something…..heard Dallas can be pretty wild…
Been saying it for years now though…it’s the laid back area and community. Good players come to the Bucs and you never hear from them again. JPP will most likely become a ghost next season…watch.
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:39 am
Excuses are for losers
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:41 am
When your culture includes players dancing on the sideline like fools after one play you know a change needs to be made. When there is no player leadership on the field and your veteran players get stripped of their captain status huge change is needed. When your franchise QB turns the ball over at a record pace and is suspended for 3 games to start a season now it’s time to blow the entire thing up and start over.
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:48 am
Have been to 10 high school games this year for the first time ever. What I learned from these young guys is most of them are more mature than the professionals on our Bucs defense. Lack of discipline on the field and off is very disturbing for a grown man earning a paycheck.
November 22nd, 2018 at 10:29 am
Sapp never went to the strippers
November 22nd, 2018 at 10:39 am
It starts at the top…Glazers this is on you.
November 22nd, 2018 at 10:50 am
1 Cesspool Place
November 22nd, 2018 at 10:52 am
Maybe Schiano was the answer after-all. Too bad the Glazers didn’t keep him around a few more seasons to see if he could help right the ship.
As far as I’m concerned Koetter is just one big sorry excuse for a head coach – soft coaching and soft players. Things have gone from bad to worse and Licht just kills the team by drafting the wrong players. Fire them all !
November 22nd, 2018 at 10:59 am
The Bucs tried to dramatically change the culture before when they fired frat boy Rah and brought in Schiano to instill a more disciplined approach to a team that had little of it. If it were a northern team (Pats, Steelers, Eagles, Ravens, etc.) it likely would have been a success, but it seems like Tampa had too players that didn’t like the culture change and melted down like an ice cream cone in the hot Florida sun (see J. Freeman for a prime example). To make matters worse I’m not sure if the Bucs fan base as a whole has the fortitude to stand by a coaching staff long enough to actually see the return on investment a disciplined program will yield. The first signs of adversity and it’s “Fire Schiano!” billboards and bitching about canceling season tickets unless the GM/coaches/ownership gets replaced…and then ownership caves to the fans causing the coaching carousel to continue. Maybe I’m in the minority, but unless the team flat out shows quitter effort I would prefer to see Licht and Koetter still with the Bucs in 2019. The offense is playing well, and if not for some key injuries to defensive starters on top of a mid season DC change, and the kicker curse, this team could have easily had two or three more wins.
November 22nd, 2018 at 11:25 am
This guy ever heard of New Orleans?
November 22nd, 2018 at 11:28 am
Toes
Koetter ain’t it, nor is Licht.. Koetter makes Rah look organized and competent.
November 22nd, 2018 at 11:38 am
BucBeliever you must not keep up with current events. Do you know what else was going on right after they purchased ManU. The biggest economic meltdown of our lifetime and a massive recession that was on the verge of being a depression. The Glazers have a lot of RE and when that market collapsed the purse strings were tightened. Once the economy improved they started spending money again.
November 22nd, 2018 at 11:41 am
Lombardi nailed it
This team has a losing culture and mentality
Until you change that you will continue to be a loser
We have some serious talent on this team but it has underperformed and been under coached for the most part
November 22nd, 2018 at 11:45 am
Modern era primadona players are not programmed for tough coaching …if Belichick didn’t have Tom Brady he’d have been gone from NE years ago…
November 22nd, 2018 at 1:01 pm
D-Rome:
Thanks for the compliment. Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving too.
November 22nd, 2018 at 1:10 pm
This guy thinks Warren Sapp never saw the inside of a strip club? Lol.
November 22nd, 2018 at 1:46 pm
While I agree with some of his points and that the overall culture in one buc palace sucks, trying to blame that on strip clubs and the beach is lazy, ridiculous argument.
You think Tampa is the only place with strip clubs?
You think Tampa is the only place with beaches?
You think Tampa is the only place with hot women?
You think Tampa is the only place with nice weather?
Doesn’t seem to be problem for New Orleans. Doesn’t seem to be a problem for Los Angeles (either team located there). And places like SF, Oakland, Dallas, New York all have strip clubs, hot women, distractions, etc…
The problem is the Glazers and the people they hire, and the players they bring in. Not the strip clubs lol.
November 22nd, 2018 at 1:54 pm
The Bucs has a culture
Losing
November 22nd, 2018 at 1:56 pm
It all starts at the top. It would definitely help to have someone in charge of football operations since it seems the Glazers are clueless. And please don’t say Dungy.
November 22nd, 2018 at 2:07 pm
Dungy
November 22nd, 2018 at 3:10 pm
Dewey, of the ones that did find it, half couldn’t leave the spot alone!
Wasn’t the Shiano regime to set things straight?
November 22nd, 2018 at 5:15 pm
@Lombardi … “To me, they have no chance. I mean, whether they keep Jason Licht or not as the general manager, whoever walks in there, what the Bucs better do is hire one guy to run their franchise.” Duh!!! How many of us have been saying exactly the same thing for how long Joe?
And the strip joint stuff? That’s BS. Tampa is small potatoes compared to New York, LA, Dallas, Chicago, etc. Instead of using that as an excuse, why didn’t he just say “Hey too many of the players on the Bucs are PS squad material on most REAL NFL teams.” And that’s on the GM, who’ll be joining the HC out the door at the end of the season .
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:05 pm
Strip Clubs and BucLife seem to go well together. Whats that smell………
November 22nd, 2018 at 9:43 pm
Whenever someone says the most watched sport in the world is soccer, I point out that the most used way in the world to wipe your rear end is with your hand. Just because “most” people do something some way doesn’t mean it’s the best way.
November 22nd, 2018 at 10:51 pm
Uhhhh…don’t know when you were last in Tampa city isn’t jumping with things to do. Tampa might be the most boring city in the NFL. You may have only just gone to the strip clubs so you think there’s a lot to do.
November 22nd, 2018 at 11:29 pm
LOL!!!! 🙂
November 23rd, 2018 at 4:35 am
The strip clubs are part of the reason to visit Tampa and be a Buccaneer. What better way to blow off a load of steam than visiting the spaceship at 2001? If anything, the great parts of being a Buc are those things. Crap take in my opinion aside from the Fitz Sucks part.
November 23rd, 2018 at 4:40 am
Ties on the line. Excellent troll job. Lol. I’ll tske the bait. Koetter and Licht are connected to Lovie. The Lovie house hasn’t been cleaned yet. It’s time.
November 23rd, 2018 at 6:14 am
This is spot on. The level of incompetence for over a decade shows no one in the organization including ownership can build even a respectable team. So if the same guys keeping making the same mistakes we will have the same bad team. Which we will btw sorry to say. Sad but true
November 23rd, 2018 at 9:17 am
Lombardi is trying to make a living stating the obvious like most past whatevers working NFL media and passes it off as candid. He has contacts but was never the guy making the call. He also hasn’t stayed very long each place he has been in the past. He is critical of Dirk as most past whatevers have been, he seems to back off Jason for whatever reason. Leadership, attention to details and overall lack of speed and sudden play on defense has doomed this team this year. Jason seems great at identifying wideouts, TEs, and that’s about it. The scouts we have are either putting other candidates in front of he and Koetter or not and they have to go. Vea ends up here without a true understanding of what kind of defense people we need because there is not plan. We need to find out if it is scouts or GM and HC.
November 23rd, 2018 at 1:56 pm
Watch the Drew Brees post game press conference from the Turkey day game. That is how you build a team.