Record Giveaway Pace For Jameis
November 21st, 2018
Rock bottom
If you’re unsure why the Tampa Bay offense has a 1988 or 2009 feel to it, Joe can explain with an assist from NFL Films.
One metric used to measure quarterbacks efficiency is the rate by which they toss interceptions.
Bucs quarterbacks in ’88 shocked innocent fans by tossing a pick 7 percent of the time, 36 total through the season.
Back in ’09, Byron Leftwich, Josh Johnson and rookie Josh Freeman combined to throw 29 picks, a 5.5 percent interception rate. Man, it sometimes felt like Freeman was always hitting the guy in the wrong jersey. But in reality, it was 6.2 percent of the time.
Well, fast forward to modern times and the Bucs are on pace for 36.8 interceptions this season and you can see where Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jameis Winston rank below among their peers.
Jameis must fix this number through the final six games of this season. There’s just no reason for two veteran quarterbacks to show like they do on this chart from NFL Films/ESPN NFL Matchup. Dirk Koetter wagged a finger at Jameis for his final throw on Sunday, one he said was a poor decision.
Perhaps most scary is where the other NFC starters rank.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:01 pm
Yes the Famous Jaemis bakery is back in business!
November 21st, 2018 at 12:05 pm
makes sense….the QB’s at the top all have productive running gamesoutside of flacco and the QB’s at the bottom dont…..
running the ball will minimize winstons mistakes…..
4years and dirk hasnt learned that yet….SMDH
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 21st, 2018 at 12:13 pm
How is Jameis Winston better than Josh Freeman?
November 21st, 2018 at 12:16 pm
It is the offensive scheme. No run game and slow developing vertical routes. Dirk’s flaws have followed him throughout his career.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:19 pm
So…The only quarterback in the NFL WORSE than ours at throwing interceptions IS OUR OTHER MOTHERF~CKING QUARTERBACK!
November 21st, 2018 at 12:25 pm
Anybody here think a competent coach think its a good idea to take a young qb in and out playing and learning until the other qb throws or doesnt throw 3 ints
Maybe jw should sit rest of the year and start fresh next year?
Maybe if he throws 3 ints next year wait 9 games? I always liked the number 9
But his uniform number is 3. He should sit 3 games
Wait but his number in college was 5. Didnt he win the heisman? He should sit 5 games
“Thats the ticket”
Kobe Faker
November 21st, 2018 at 12:26 pm
Reevaluate this at the end of the season. Please.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:27 pm
He has to throw on every down because we can’t run the ball and we can’t stop anybody.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:31 pm
While I appreciate Winston, its not fair to say his INTs are the result of no run game. Most of his INTs are bad reads or simply throwing into coverage. He also has a few INTs from bad mechanics- mainly foot position. This is a passing league so the old thinking of INTs are related to if we had a run game we would be better has less validity.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:31 pm
But, but, but he’s the greatest QB the Bucs have ever had!!! Right?!
RyJo- LMAO! Sad but true!
November 21st, 2018 at 12:38 pm
**Per Game Average (48 Games Played)
Josh Freeman – (2009-2012)
Cmp: 19.1 | Att: 32 | Inc: 12.9 | Yds: 222.9 | Tds: 1.4 | Int:1.1 | Sks: 1.8
Jameis Winston – (2015-2018)
Cmp: 21.2 | Att: 34.5 | Inc: 13.3 | Yds: 261.3 | Tds: 1.5 | Int: 1 | Sks: 2.1
**Per 16 Games Average (48 Games Played)
Josh Freeman – (2009-2012)
Cmp: 306 | Att: 513 | Inc: 207 | Yds: 3566 | Tds: 22 | Int: 17 | Sks: 29 | Fmb: 10
Jameis Winston – (2015-2018)
Cmp: 339 | Att: 552 | Inc: 213 | Yds: 4180 | Tds: 25 | Int:17 | Sks:34 | Fmb: 12
November 21st, 2018 at 12:38 pm
As I was stated on this esteemed site yesterday, Jay-Miss is a lot closer to being Andy Dalton than he ever will be to being a top ten QB.
Bengals fans have buyers remorse with Dalton. They have him the big money because they were afraid to move on and take a risk. I hope the Bucs do not make a similar decision out of fear, or worrying about curses, or thinking about past decisions that were made when the Glazers didn’t own the team.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:38 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says:
“How is Jameis Winston better than Josh Freeman?”
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Probably because Jameis’ interception rate last season, believe it or not, was only 2.5%.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:38 pm
RyJo
LMAO!!!!!!!
you know the ole sang….when you have 2 QB’s you have none…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 21st, 2018 at 12:41 pm
Fitz would have the same if not worse asking any QB to drop back 60 timjes a game with no back field weapons is crazy /Coaching is Tampa main issue they have no clue .
November 21st, 2018 at 12:47 pm
I do not understand why the Glazers are letting these to morons make any decisions regarding this team in any way they have proved that they incompetent /Drafting /miss judged defensive talent and scheme /Players do what they want when they want and have no respect for this coach because its hard to get behind a joke .
November 21st, 2018 at 12:49 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says:
November 21st, 2018 at 12:13 pm
How is Jameis Winston better than Josh Freeman?
Freeman was actually good in the red zone.
How are the Winstopologists going to spin the interception ratio? At least this website has the nerve to post this and mention Winston’s useless pass to end the game. He gave his team no chance to win. Just like the other game they lost with the run up the middle clown fumble.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:50 pm
At this point Winston isn’t any better then Freeman. I will say he is more skilled then Freeman but that means nothing if youre a losing QB.
November 21st, 2018 at 12:55 pm
A negative “Americas QB” story? The Joes are a bit bipolar too LOL…At this point, with his Bucs tenure on the line, he’s making the same stupid fumbles to go with the countless INTS and almost INTS…He’s a career backup people!!!
November 21st, 2018 at 12:56 pm
Season is Over? Are you complain about that Hail Mary pass?
Winston deserves a lot of critism……but a Hail Mary? Really?
November 21st, 2018 at 12:56 pm
“I like to develop my young QBs by having him go in cold after halftime. I like it when the defense line knows he has to pass because we will be 2 scores down. I like it when he doesnt get snaps with the 1st team defense all week in practice. I like it when he runs the scout team and have no timing with the starting recievers…
The Bucsheep calls me a QB whisperer”
Klueless Koetter
November 21st, 2018 at 12:56 pm
Aaron Rodgers 4-5-1
Matt Ryan 4-6
Eli Manning 3-7
The teams with the better rosters are going to win. QB is one piece of a 53 piece puzzle. Sometimes your defense has to create a turnover too. Bucs DEFENSE has not created a turnover in 7 straight games.
#JimHarbaugh
November 21st, 2018 at 12:57 pm
We keep talking about how Licht – is no better than Domink
Mark Dominik (2009-2013)
• (W/L) 28-52-0
Jason Licht (2014-2018)
• (W/L) 25-49-0 +
How is Jameis Winston any better than Josh Freeman?
Josh Freeman (2009-20012)
• (W/L) *21-27-0
Jameis Winston (2015-2018)
• (W/L) *19-29-0 +
November 21st, 2018 at 12:59 pm
*Josh Freeman (2009-2012)
November 21st, 2018 at 1:00 pm
Can’t argue with these numbers.
November 21st, 2018 at 1:02 pm
Joe Balhak….. It seems to me like the Joe’s are being honest. Just because they still believe in him doesn’t mean they should ignore his faults.
The assumptions go to extremes around here. I faulted Winston on one page and was called a Fitz nuthugger. Criticizing Winston don’t make nobody a nuthugger it just makes them honest.
The next day I posted that I still believe in Winston and was called a FSU fanboy.
Y’all just are way too emotional about this QB. I do t think Tampa Bay was ready for a player like Winston.
November 21st, 2018 at 1:02 pm
Took 4 years to find out Freeman was trash…Jameis gets an extra year? Why?
November 21st, 2018 at 1:06 pm
Blahak……..That question needs to be answered by Winstons play on the field for these last six games.
As a comparison when Freeman got benched he got desperred over it and was mentally affected. That didn’t happen to Winston. Jamies handled that better but now needs to play better.
November 21st, 2018 at 1:06 pm
I don’t know how so many zero in on only the QB, but are only mildly triggered by historically bad defenses, historically poor running attack and inexcusably poor kicking. If the qb doesn’t overcome all of the teams failings, he must be tossed.
November 21st, 2018 at 1:15 pm
“We have to use these last six games to see what we have in Winston”. Translation: Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi.
November 21st, 2018 at 1:18 pm
1st & 10 at TB 20
(0:23 – 4th) (Shotgun) J.Winston pass deep right intended for D.Jackson INTERCEPTED by B.Webb at NYG 25. B.Webb to NYG 25 for no gain (D.Jackson).
November 21st, 2018 at 1:28 pm
Heres a newsflash . Jamis is a lousy quarterback . He is a fumble machine and turns the ball over all the time . He is a backup on some teams but not all . He will not start for a team next year unless that team has injury . He is a thing if the past . Lets move on please!
November 21st, 2018 at 1:38 pm
First of all, I definitely agree with @JimmyJack that all the name-calling in here, based on QB commentary, is not necessary.
I just want to point out that Jameis Winston had a 2.5% Interception Rate last year, which is a little hard to believe, because of what has happened so far this year. But it IS true, and does show that it is possible for him to once again find that rhythm of reduced interceptions, and to continue trending in the positive direction in that regard.
It is just a thought. It does not mean I am ANTI any other Bucs fan. 😉
November 21st, 2018 at 1:52 pm
No more chances! He looks like the three stooges in action with the fumbles. Clueless ball security…
November 21st, 2018 at 2:06 pm
You nuthuggers are useless idiots that should stop breathing.
You rail on how bad freeman was but the stats between he and Winston are not far off at all yet you SACK SUCKERS claim Winston is a god and he’s elite and great and all that bullsh it.
You’re all just a bunch of retards most of which can’t even put a coherent sentence together and use words like “an” for “and” because of your low level of education and lack of decent parents. Winston is not and will not be the future so say all the sh it you want but that’s exactly what it is. The only difference is Winston is shiny sh it instead of regular shi it. But it’s all still sh it.
November 21st, 2018 at 2:08 pm
And here comes TheNorm with more of The norm. Haha.. — so much for no more name-calling.
November 21st, 2018 at 2:34 pm
Norm……Actually nobdy railed on Freeman. And nobody claimed Winston was great or elite.
You are a ridiculous poster with a wild imagination that does not match reality.
For your sake I will assume your rant is only displaced anger from being a Yucs fan.
November 21st, 2018 at 2:40 pm
2.5% is a good percentage if he also didn’t lead the NFL with turnovers.
It’s his 4th year and we’re still talking about his decision making and turnovers. It’s not going to change. There is no fixing him. A new coach isn’t going to do that. Throughout a player’s entire career (since pee-wee football) they’re taught to not fumble the football. The technique to protect the football in traffic is not new to Jay-Miss. At this level, you either do it or you don’t.
November 21st, 2018 at 2:46 pm
So TheKEVIN became TheNorm??
Sure sounds like the same idiot calling everyone else idiots…
November 21st, 2018 at 2:50 pm
D-Rome Says:
“2.5% is a good percentage if he also didn’t lead the NFL with turnovers.”
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Very fair, @D-Rome. The fumbles were the bigger problem last year.
November 21st, 2018 at 3:00 pm
Jameis sucks at what he does . Its not deep analysis but its factual analysis. He will never be great. He is Jay Cutler. Just good enough to suck and stay employed.
As long as Tampa ties them selves to his mediocre play, they will be mediocre.
November 21st, 2018 at 3:14 pm
You are entitled to your opinions, as always, Pete. — I have seen your Jay Cutler references a few times. — The difference for me is that I actually enjoy watching Jameis play. I could never stand watching Cutler play. – Why, I do not know.
But I do know that one way that the 2 could never be complared is that Jay Cutler NEVER had the heart that Jameis has, and was never the competitor that Jameis is.
November 21st, 2018 at 3:31 pm
Come on guys it’s pretty obvious why Winston , and Fitzpatrick for that matter are turning the ball over so much. It’s called having a pitiful defense that puts the QBs always in a catch up mode. Look at most of the games always behind by 2 or 3 scores before half time. If by chance the Bucs QB turns the ball over before they get behind, 9 times out of 10 the Defense gives up the bacon with out a stop. So not much bailing out of the QBs going on, on this team. Basically the offense has to be perfect and score almost every possession to win any game they play. When is Winston efficient it’s when he throws 25 to 30 times a game, has a decent running game, has a defense who gets turn overs and gets a 3 and out once in awhile. If you don’t believe me look at the 9 and 7 season, during the 5 game wining streak that’s exactly what happened. This year the Bucs QBs are expected to throw 40 to 50 times a game, and even worst have them throw deep time consuming routes thus more chance for interceptions. We really can’t judge Winston fairly until he has a offense more suited to his talents, quick 3 step get the ball out of his hands routes. Play action that works because he has a good running back that other teams fear. Most importantly give him a defense that doesn’t make him think he has to score every time he has a possession. Hopefully the Glazers will get Winston a coach (hint Arians comes to mind) to bring out all the talent he has. Just my 2 cents.
November 21st, 2018 at 3:54 pm
He’s getting WORSE not better!
Get rid of that loser!
November 21st, 2018 at 4:08 pm
Finally,
Someone other than sees the record turnovers
From this ” So Called” NFL best offense
It’s all a pipe dream