The Real Reason Jameis Was Benched?
November 17th, 2018
More quarterback talk.
Bucs Bit-O-Honey-snacking, Ozark-watching coach Dirk Koetter has stated over and over again that too many turnovers is the reason America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, was benched.
But when journeyman backup Ryan Fitzpatrick was handing the ball over to opposing defenses like Halloween candy, Joe’s eyebrow was raised. If turnovers were bad for Jameis, why they are now trivial for Fitz?
Joe always thought there was a hidden reason why Jameis was benched. Perhaps, we got the answer last night?
Last night Koetter made his weekly appearance on SiriusXM NFL Radio and once again was asked about his quarterbacks. It was obvious Koetter is worn out talking about his decision to yank Jameis.
Gil Brandt, who was co-hosting with Alex Marvez, asked Koetter what gives Fitz the edge over Jameis. Koetter inhaled deeply and loudly, mentioned how he likes all three of his quarterbacks and then deeply exhaled and stated the following.
“I think Fitz’s experience level and the way he has put the ball on the money down the field for our guys” gives him the edge, Koetter said.
To the best of Joe’s knowledge, that’s the first time Joe has heard Koetter cite another reason Fitz is starting over Jameis other than turnovers.
Joe understands Bucs fans completely freaked out because Jameis may not be the most accurate passer on bombs. What Joe didn’t and doesn’t understand is why fans demand a guy perform in an area in which he doesn’t excel.
That is crazytalk to Joe. If a guy struggles to throw bombs, don’t have him throw bombs? Hello?
Why is this so difficult to comprehend? It’s not like playing PlayStation where one can work out a remote all afternoon long. NFL teams only get so many snaps a game. Why waste precious snaps forcing a quarterback to throw a pass he struggles with?
That’s like a decent pitcher in baseball who struggles to throw sliders, but he has a manager demand he throws sliders. Then people get p!ssed at the pitcher when a slider ends up in the bleachers.
Also, Koetter said of Jameis, “We haven’t lost faith in Jameis.” It wasn’t so much what Koetter said but the inflection in his voice. It was the same tone as if someone responded to a telemarketer’s pitch, “Yeah, yeah, yeah, I’ve heard that one before. Leave me alone, will yah?”
November 17th, 2018 at 7:24 am
Throwing an occasional bomb is necessary to stretch the defense…..and if they are successful it helps a team that really struggles in the red zone……all you have to do is look at the success of our opponents to realize how effective throwing bombs can be.
I think Jameis is generally less accurate on a number of other passes…..throwing high too often and not leading receivers….thus fewer YAC.
I still believe that turnovers are the main issue for the Bucs and that Jameis should get another shot.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:29 am
That reasoning is ironic because the game that got JW3 benched, he finally hooked up with DJax on the longball.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:31 am
I think it’s a trust issue. From the scene in hard knocks about how Jameis is the only one who can lose the game, to all the bonehead heaves (Jacksonville preseason, Tennessee preseason, to not executing the plays called in (we know about two that worked but how many other times did he disregard the coaches wishes and throw picks), the Kason Lichts comments about how much and trust Fitz, and let’s not forget that Kameos seems to have lied to everyone about that Uber incident.
They simply do not trust the young man. And it’s hard to earn people’s trust back.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:32 am
Classic bad coaching..You have a still very young first round pick and rather than call games to his strenghts you force him to.push the ball 15 yards down field at a time.
It used to be the bucs would only.run short check down plays , now all they do is try and push it.down the field. This team has always been.stubborn and predictable. I wish we had a coaching staff so creative, every Sunday was a completley different game plan and.you never knew what you were going to see. A true chess match..
It. would be nice.if Jameis.actually haf.the freedom to chafe calls at the line based on what he is seeing. KOETTER did bash him for not calling the right play a few weeks ago which tells me he doesn’t have that freedom. Dot you think that , paired with horrible defense would eventually influence more turnovers?
Dirk is ruining Jameis Winston. That s why Jameis was benched because the 4th year qb made a different call on the line and it pissed off the coach. BET!!!!!!
November 17th, 2018 at 7:34 am
If the Bucs lose this game and Koetter tries to keep Fitz in as starter the Glazers need to step in and put an end to it, one way or another. We all get frustrated with Jameis’ turnovers, but we can’t give up on him imo.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:36 am
Djax benched Jameis Winston.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:37 am
i mean he was the #1 overall pick and a qb who “can make all the throws” and if he was not able to then why pick him #1 sounds like you are describing a journeyman qb, but w lichts evaulation skills this seems right on Wanted: qb who cannot throw deep passes….jason licht-“let me sign the best deep ball wr in the game” the bucs are totally messed up
November 17th, 2018 at 7:39 am
When discussing Quarterbacks coming out of college, one phrase you hear about the best is that can “make all the throws.” I remember hearing that about Jamis. Apparently he can’t make all the throws. If you QB can’t connect on bombs, it seems to me that it makes it easier on defenses, and limits what you can do on offense.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:43 am
Riggghhhttt Dork…… and the main reason your arse will be and should be (especially last year) is because you suck at being a head coach and you don’t have discipline on the team! But hell you WANT to be fired so you can join Mike Smith I. The do t work but get paid club.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:45 am
Someone should ask him how he plan on getting the locker room back. Coach Koetter, wants Fitz and the Offense Coordinator wanted Winston. That is the real reason Winston is not on the field and the play calling was snatched.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:49 am
This deep ball all started with d jack as if it was Winston’s rookie year when that guy got here. People are so flaky here pretending he never hit deep shots before now. He can’t hit d jack deep and doesn’t have that issue with anyone else. Koetter is just digging his own grave because another coach will change play calling for Winston and I really don’t care why Koetter won’t
November 17th, 2018 at 7:50 am
Plenty of reasons to bench Jameis. Sycophants can’t always see them.
A few good reasons to play Jameis, one of which is to finally cement in the Glaziers mind that the Winston experment should be finally over.
4 wasted years with another, 2019, looming. What a mess.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:53 am
Not there yet….I think you’re onto something. I’ve actually thought Djax was THEE problem since last season.
Djax made Winston worse not better.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:54 am
Jameis biggest issue is that he isn’t a good fit for Koetter offense, crazy right, Koetter literally got the head coach job to develop Jameis. The offense is built off those down field shots that Jameis struggles with. Once Koetter is fired, it will be the new coaches job to find a creative offensive coach that can develop an offense tailored to Jameis strengths. Right now Jameis is a square peg in Koetter round offense, and coach my scheme hasn’t been willing to change the offense to fit the talent.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:55 am
Joe does not get it once again!!!!!!!!! It is more than just the uncatchable deep balls!!!!!!!!!! How many times do we see WR have to make diving catches in shorter routes!!!!! How many slants do the WR have to stop and reach behind them to make the catch and get tackled because they are not moving, eliminating all chance of YAC!!!!!!!!!!! And the Sheep were blaming certain WR in the past!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and joe’s analogy makes no sense!!!!! Your talking about a pitcher that cannot make certain pitches, and can not throw strikes most of the time!!!!!! You are not going to pay top dollar for that!!!!!!!
NFL Teams either have a franchise QB or are looking for a franchise QB, and the Bucs are looking for one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 17th, 2018 at 8:03 am
Saying Jameis is not the most accurate passer on bombs is like saying Sapp gets in debates with hookers, or Mike Williams got a poke in the leg, or Josh Freeman gets confused sometimes. If there was a broad side of a barn 40 yards away, Jameis would throw the ball over the barn.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:05 am
Tampabaybucfan:
Exactly, the threat of an occasional long ball and the speed of Desean Jackson keeps defenses honest. It adds an important dimension to the offense. Winston makes all the intermediate throws but is inconsistent down field. What makes Jameis dangerous in his occasional lack of control and poor decision making under pressure. He tries to force plays and after 4 years still lacks composure in certain situations.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:06 am
Jameis is sitting because of accuracy and going rogue on plays called …..
November 17th, 2018 at 8:06 am
Joe- Im a Jameis fan I really want him to succeed here. That fact of the matter is that Dirk is going to play the QB that fits HIS system. Not the QB THAT FITS ANOTHER SYSTEM. We all know that this is Dirk last season so why are get mad if he’s going to go out on his accord. If the Glazers wanted him to play Jameis and he doesn’t fire him now. If not, let the man go into battle with the man he wants to.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:09 am
P S You can get away with being a gunslinger and erratic if you win games.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:10 am
“Lol! Isnt it so apparent that Klueless isnt a Head coach. He doesnt know how to make decisions
This idiot cant make decisions but need to be told what to do from a real decision making HC
So far, Klueless has destroyed the #10 pick (babbert)and #1 pick QBs….
Cant you sheep add things up?
Next week Klueless is going to call the plays vs the niners!!!…lol!!”
Kobe Faker
November 17th, 2018 at 8:15 am
Again more BS from our idiot “coach”. Jameis can hit the deep ball he just has issues with Koetters new best friend DJax. We all have seen Jameis hit Bernard Reedy, Hump, Evans, OJ, Godwin and others deep many times but he clearly struggles with Jackson. It is what it is but that doesn’t mean he can’t throw the deep ball, it just means there’s chemistry issues. And what a surprise that is with this coaching staff, cause there are chemistry issues in the secondary, on oline, on the dline basically everywhere but let’s just put the blame on one person for this one. Look I’m clearly a Jameis guy but if people can’t see that Jackson is the problem here I just don’t know what to tell them. Put it this way take the name off the jerseys and look at what they do for the TEAM and then decide which one you want. One player is all about his teammates the other is all about his personal stats. One player is the first one to every practice the other one shows up when he wants to. One player plays with a busted body part that is essential to his role the other has the green light to play but chooses not to more times than not. One doesn’t get to play and stays quite and supports his team and the others plays most of the time yet demands a trade. You see Koetter chose the second of these players. Do we all see the problem here?
November 17th, 2018 at 8:15 am
People who defend Koetter yet sit there and try to micro critique every one of Jameis’ throws, make me sick.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:16 am
Look at the last game where Fitz threw low and behind Mike Evans. Some called it a dropped pass, but that pass was inaccurate.
Jameis is great at throwing fastballs to a spot, i.e. a stationary target like a curl or comeback route. But he is not accurate throwing to a moving target, especially one moving directly away from him. Witness the slant to DJax in the end zone where the ball was so far behind him that it went right at the defender who dropped the easy INT. And he still STARES at and THROWS TO his primary receiver, just like Jon Gruden pointed out in his QB Camp.
tickrdr
BTW: Many are saying that Cameron Brate dropped that pass at about the 3 yd line last game. I was at that game and the replay operator at the stadium embarrassed the officials by showing what should have been DPI. The defender yanked Brate’s undershirt below his knees just after he jumped for the ball. It looked like the “tails” of a tuxedo.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:18 am
Also please someone tell me the last deep ball Fitz hit to Djax since the Pittsburgh game which is when everyone figured this offense out. I’ll wait…
November 17th, 2018 at 8:31 am
Ndog….it’s all in shambles…
This is the same coach that kept sticking with Mike Smith…..
Stuck with Roberto and Martin….
It’s a Buc’s Life.
Fans ask me all the time how I deal with being a Bucs fan. One Bears fan told me he would allow me to jump ship and jump on the Chicago bandwagon if i wanted to. My answer of course : I’ll be a Bucs fan for life buddy. Poor me.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:34 am
I don’t believe that DJAX is the only receiver Jameis had trouble connecting with on the deep ball. AT the end of 2016 he overthrew Evans about 8 times on go routes. Throwing deep up the middle of the field is his strength or throwing to a receiver on drags or post routes. Problem is ,our O line often can’t hold their blocks long enough to let this type of play develop. When Fitz is on ,his experience gives him an edge anticipating where a receiver will be and throwing
him open on a variety of deeper routes.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:36 am
Imo, Winstons season was doomed before it even started…
The 3 year old Uber incident really hurt him and the team…he lost snaps all through training camp, he lost first-team snaps all through preseason, he missed the first three games, and he came back out of sync…I understand why he was benched in Cincy, but I think the better option would have been to let him work through it, not bench him indefinitely…
#DirkKoetterTheQBkiller
November 17th, 2018 at 8:47 am
tickrdr it is amazing how every receiver in this video is standing still. There are no slants to Godwin for 70 plus yards are to Djax for 80 yards as those were both standing still, amazing.
https://youtu.be/nBAGQRZhv_s
November 17th, 2018 at 8:57 am
I was hesitant to accuse Joe of having a large amount of money in Vegas on the success of Jameis in Tampa but not now. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are doing everything they can to show you they’ve washed their hands with him (OFF THE FIELD A BIG REASON) and our media can’t see it. And here’s the thing, he’s barely Ryan Leaf in the new Arena NFL on the field. If Ryan Leaf played today he’d be putting up the same yardage as Fitz and Jameis, it’s Arena ball. You call one guy a career backup and the other a franchise starter, not a single drug on the market would help make sense of this one. Take the $$ loss, save yourself.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:57 am
Time to face the facts. Jameis is not in the Bucs plans next year. He has not performed consistently on the field. And (at times) he has not behaved well off the field. That’s a combination that’s spells doom to most young QBs.
My guess is the Bucs will let him go quietly at the end of the season, draft another young guy with potential who does not have the “red flags” on his character, and re-sign Fitz or another veteran, to serve as an early starter/mentor until our new signal caller is ready to take the field.
Jameis will have a chance somewhere else to resurrect his career….if he gets his head on straight. The fans will get a new young QB to be excited about. The team may or may not have a new Head Coach to guide them. And the Jameis apologists will still be whining that this whole process is unfair and 4 picks a game really isn’t that bad!
November 17th, 2018 at 8:59 am
Couldn’t agree more #Buc1987. Koetter has chosen DJax over Winston.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:01 am
Winston’s lack of Accuracy and his inability to read defenses has been his ultimate downfall. His scouting report out of college hasn’t changed in the Pros
November 17th, 2018 at 9:03 am
I think a lot of the reason that Fitz is starting is because he is the QB that the team has the most faith, trust and confidence in and he’s the one that the players would rather play with. It’s plain to see that the player’s energy level and intensity is higher with Fitz in the game.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:04 am
The 2 posts directly above this one are pure garbage. If the decision had already been made to move on from Jameis next year, he wouldn’t even be active. And you still have to be a good QB to perform in this league. Otherwise you wouldn’t have guys like Nathan Peterman, or Paxton Lynch, or Johnny Manziel, who were all talented players in college with the skills to play QB, yet when they entered the NFL they were all unable to adjust to the pro game.
So to suggest that Ryan Leaf would suddenly be good in today’s game is just a ridiculously lazy and inaccurate statement.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:04 am
Make the the 3 posts directly above my last post.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:07 am
Make *that* the…
November 17th, 2018 at 9:07 am
Jamies needs to go, keep Fitz as a backup quarterback.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:08 am
We need defense not quarterback. Yall focus on the wrong thing. Jamies can win here. But without a defense it doesn’t matter if Russell Wilson or Rogers is in quarterback we or going to lose . This is a draft to build a defense we really need to build a defense. Every week we say defense suck . Then yall post all the players that the bucs pass on.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:10 am
SchwiftyBuc is a good example of the “Jameis apologists” I mentioned.
Nuff said.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:15 am
I agree with tickrdoc.
Winston is only accurate throwing to a stationary target, and even then he gets focus freeze, doesn’t look off receivers, is often blind to defenders and telegraphs his throw. Those are the reasons he throws a lot of picks.
Winston is terrible throwing to a moving target. He can’t “throw a guy open”, he his wildly inaccurate hitting men in stride and his deep ball is appalling.
And if he “sees the field” well, his passes sure don’t show it.
After four seasons, you’d think he’d learn by now.
For all of Fitzpatrick’s faults, he DOES see the field well, he DOES throw men open, he CAN hit a receiver in stride and DOES have an excellent deep ball.
If the sycophants can’t see that then they do not WANT to see.
I suspect we will get the “Johnny Football” hype from the Cheerleader Joes until a permanent decision is made about Winston and the future of the team.
And, of course, draw and quarter Koetter now, and feed the pieces to the Sail Cats in Tampa Bay. even though for the first time in franchise history, he brought OFFENSE to Tampa Bay.
Frankly, as I have stated before, the defense could use that $21 million America’s Turnover Machine is due in 2019.
I ask: is there a stat for 2018 that shows Winston is superior to Fitzpatrick?
I ask: If coaches jobs are on the line why would Koetter and Monken do anything that jeopardizes them?
And do the PLAYERS even want America’s Turnover Machine to be on the field? I see nothing, no words, passing reference or body language from any player that says they do.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:17 am
Koetters offense is garbage since they can’t put up the points and only get yardage. Deep ball is irrelevant since everyone now knows that’s all they have. Winston haters can’t see since they took away the deep ball Fitz is playing just like Winston.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:19 am
You guys need to check the numbers. JW has a better numbers for his first 3 yrs, than all the QB’s in this division. So what does that tell you? It aint the QB.
Why is it that as soon as Dirk leaves ATL they play Freeman. When he couldn’t get on the field when Dirk was there.
Why is Sweezy playing better in Seattle than he did here?
Liedtke is a much better player than Benenoch, but can’t get on the field.
So yea, its Dirk. Look at all the crazy decisions he has made. Why would you throw a challenge flag, when you know you don’t have a timeout. That is the QB’s fault too.
Dude is Lost.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:23 am
All you jameis supporters have really gotten out of hand. And Joe, to say it doesnt matter if he throws a good deep ball is one of the most ignorant statements ever put on this website. Koetter is a terrible coach that is true, but winston is not the answer. A qb in this new era of NFL offense who cant throw a deep ball and people are defending him. The comment section has entered the twilight zone.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:23 am
Hmmmmm, all this smack about Fitz throwing guys open and the so called YAC yards.
I wonder why Fitz ranks near the bottom of receivers with YAC.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:28 am
AZBucsFan4Lyfe Says:
Because you are comparing 9 games to Fitzpatrick’s 5.5
:rolleyes:
November 17th, 2018 at 9:32 am
Tvan1011 Says:
Seems just like yesterday that the Joes and casual Buc fans were all gaga over getting DJax so FINALLY the Bucs would have a deep threat to open the underneath routes.
It’s hard to make up suck silliness as “it doesn’t matter if a QB can’t throw a deep ball.”
Twilight Zone, indeed.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:33 am
Let JW walk, where is he going? San Diego as a backup? Maybe Miami? Jameis is Trent Dilfer pretty sure the bucs survived when he walked
November 17th, 2018 at 9:34 am
The below is the poster child for Jameis haters that are completely blind to what actually happens on the field. It is unbelievable the amount of complete trash and lies you people type in an effort to hide your clear dislike of a person. I could show you hundreds of examples where Jameis has hit receivers perfectly in stride but it doesn’t matter cause you see what you want to see. Jameis is supposed to have improved but let’s ask this, who on this team has improved under this coaching staff? But he himself is supposed to be the loan exception? Get a clue folks if on a 53 man roster no one improves over three years it’s not the individual players fault. But like every thing else I’m sure your dislike hides that’l from you as well. It is truly sad and I feel sorry for you.
Cobraboy Says:
November 17th, 2018 at 9:15 am
I agree with tickrdoc.
Winston is only accurate throwing to a stationary target, and even then he gets focus freeze, doesn’t look off receivers, is often blind to defenders and telegraphs his throw. Those are the reasons he throws a lot of picks.
Winston is terrible throwing to a moving target. He can’t “throw a guy open”, he his wildly inaccurate hitting men in stride and his deep ball is appalling.
And if he “sees the field” well, his passes sure don’t show it.
After four seasons, you’d think he’d learn by now.
For all of Fitzpatrick’s faults, he DOES see the field well, he DOES throw men open, he CAN hit a receiver in stride and DOES have an excellent deep ball.
If the sycophants can’t see that then they do not WANT to see.
I suspect we will get the “Johnny Football” hype from the Cheerleader Joes until a permanent decision is made about Winston and the future of the team.
And, of course, draw and quarter Koetter now, and feed the pieces to the Sail Cats in Tampa Bay. even though for the first time in franchise history, he brought OFFENSE to Tampa Bay.
Frankly, as I have stated before, the defense could use that $21 million America’s Turnover Machine is due in 2019.
I ask: is there a stat for 2018 that shows Winston is superior to Fitzpatrick?
I ask: If coaches jobs are on the line why would Koetter and Monken do anything that jeopardizes them?
And do the PLAYERS even want America’s Turnover Machine to be on the field? I see nothing, no words, passing reference or body language from any player that says they do.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:35 am
The problem I have with all of this “Deep Ball” talk.
The Bucs were going into the 2016 season with an injured prone VJax. A 33 year old injury prone WR, who missed 6 games in 2015. They had two rookies UDFA WR (Donteea Dye, Adam Humphries) as their 2-3 WR with DJax out. For some strange reason, Jason Licht refused to address their WR needs during free agency and the draft. The Bucs brought back DJax and his $10 Million salary. And he rewarded them by playing 5 games. They went out and signed bums like Cecil Shorts and Josh Huff to replace him.
In round 2 of the 2016 NFL draft, the Bucs were on the clock with Ohio State WR Michael Thomas ( Keyshawn Johnson Nephew) still waiting to be drafted. But the Bucs drafted DE Noah Spence, who was an ex-teammate of Thomas, before he was kicked of the team at Ohio State, for numerous drug violations. Spence was an undersized (6’2 250) DE, who wasn’t a good fit in the Bucs 4-3 defensive scheme.
The odd thing is, the Bucs defense recorded 38 sacks in 2015. And their greatest need was at WR. Noah Spence were an rotational DE, at best. He was horrible against the run, and struggled to get off blocks, he didn’t have any spin moves. But Michael Thomas was the best route runner in the 2016 draft. He had the best hands in the draft among WR.
The only knock on him was his 4.57 speed
He wasn’t a ‘ Deep Threat’ WR
The Bucs passed on him and it has haunted them ever since
He was the PERFECT WR for Jameis Winston
I said this after the draft, and I will say it again
The Bucs has no idea of building an NFL football team
November 17th, 2018 at 9:39 am
Jameis apologist? I think not. He 100% deserved to bench. I also 100% believe it would be stupid to move on from a guy who has absolutely flashed signs of him reaching his full potential.
Like in 2016 when he went on like a 6 or 7 game streak of playing extremely effecient turnover free football. Or his opening game and last 5 games he played of 2017, you know, the games he played without a torn A.C. Joint where outside of the 3 picks he had vs Nola he played at a very high level.
I am not sold on the fact that because Jameis turns the ball over too much in a risky down field vertical scheme, that means he’s garbage and should be cut from the team. I don’t buy that for 1 second because I think that Dirk Koetter is a well below average head coach.
You probably think I’m an FSU fan too right? Wrong. I don’t give 3/8ths of a crap about college football until the NFL offseason when I’m studying for the draft. Having said that I’ll still make this point. Dirk Koetter has never proven that he can be a coach who leads his team to a championship. But Jameis has proven he can be the QB of a Championship caliber team.
I want to see Jameis get a chance in a modern NFL offense, preferably one that’s run by a coach from the Andy Reid/Mike Holmgren Tree, before I declare him a lost cause.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:40 am
INT’s. Both Jameis and Fitz throw them. Jameis threw 4 really bad ones in a row in one game. Fitz has thrown 2 really bad ones in one game. You want the guy who throws 4 in a game or 2?? That’s what this decision to bench Jameis ultimately came down to for Koetter. They both suck. Who sucks less?
November 17th, 2018 at 9:43 am
I love how people are on here defending Fitz when his last game was HORRIBLE in about every way and he has lost his last 4 in a row but they turn around and say Jameis sucks. You people are unbelievable clueless. WOW!!!! Did you not watch the last game, Fitz lost that game almost 100% by himself. If it wasn’t for the kicker it would have been all him, he was freaking terrible. First drive killed by his pick, second drive killed by his running away from the the right in front of him 1st down marker. Fourth drive killed by him throwing a forward pass 10 YARDS DOWN THE FIELD, seventh drive killed by his pick, 9th drive killed by his crappy throw to Evans then by his fumble. If he does his job we blow them out. He lost the game plain and simple as the run game was decent, the defense was decent and he sucked! !!!! Yet to you people say he’s great, again unbelievable.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:45 am
It’s not about Fitz, he’s here for a cup of coffee and on to his next backup job if he still wants to play. It’s about Jameis Winston, who Buc fans expected to be a superstar when he is a mid-level QB who isn’t careful with the ball.
Watch the highlights of GB-Seattle game and you’ll see 2 QBs that do make “all the throws”. Watching Rogers throwing rainbows is just exactly what is meant by throwing with “touch”, “dropping it in the breadbasket”, “leading the receiver”. Whatever cliche you want to use, that’s what he does. Jameis can’t do it.
The other guy, Russell Wilson who is “too short” just like Drew Brees is, c an also lob it over defenders and he wasn’t even a first round pick I believe.
Jameis Winston will never play like either of those guys and when you have a franchise in chaos you need either a killer defense or a QB that can be a threat to make “all the throws” so when game is on the line, he’s clutch.
Does anyone really see Jameis as “clutch”, “patient” or “cool under pressure”?
Nah, he’s good but the expectations of superstardom were one of his downfalls. You don’t think the owners thought he’ be able to compete with the other NFC South quarterbacks when drafted #1.
Will his game ever rival Newton, Ryan or Brees? Nah.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:49 am
Ed I watched that game and neither Wilson or Rodgers made all the throws that night. Russel Missed several touchdowns where he overthrew his man. And Rodgers missed several throws as well, and in the end came up short when he had a chance to win the game.
So all that crap you just said is bogus. No QB is perfect.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:51 am
Jameis has likely reached his full potential. Maybe, just maybe years from now he might be a Jim Plunkett or Rich Gannon but more likely he’s just another Jeff George.
Need to look for an accurate QB in college.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:52 am
Maybe Koetter is trying to make a point with Jameis-
As in, “you will fix this accuracy and turnover issue once and
November 17th, 2018 at 9:53 am
Jameis certainly isn’t perfect Swifterbucs but at least he could be above mediocre, something he isn’t. And never likely will be.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:54 am
The most accurate comparison for Jameis Winston I could make right now would probably be a less athletic version of Steve McNair.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:55 am
But I truly believe his full potential, with the right Coach and the right scheme, with the right O-line and Defense, would be that of Ben Roethlesberger in his prime.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:55 am
Both Jameis and Fitz have been missing receivers the last few games they played. Both have thrown above their heads. Both have had trouble hitting DJax… so his logic is flawed. Why is Griffin not on the field?
November 17th, 2018 at 10:03 am
Drew Brees is one of the most accurate deep ball passers of all-time
But his 6.6 IAY (Average Intended Air Yardage) is the 2nd lowest in the NFL
The New Orleans knows that you don’t win in the NFL with the deep ball
They built a team that can compete and extend Drew Brees career
They drafted Michael Thomas, Alvin Kamara, sure handed receivers
Receivers who can extend plays, move the chains
They are winning more games
November 17th, 2018 at 10:04 am
The biggest problem is not who is QB. It’s the fact that DK has not adjusted to the pressure of being a HC. Start Griffin. Why not? If DK can ever adjust to being a HC, this offense will explode. He built it, the best one in Bucs history.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:08 am
There’s a reason why the Bucs hasn’t played in the postseason in 11 years.
They have no identity
November 17th, 2018 at 10:10 am
IF you look at the stats this is not entirely accurate.
In fact JW had a higher completion percentage than R. Wilson, M. Ryan and B.Roethlisberger and ranked 11th in the 2017-18 Deep Ball Project: Throws of 16-Plus Air Yards. (although Ryan was ranked ahead of JW at #4)
Look at the percentages at different ranges down field – pretty interesting stuff
IF you want to talk about wins – well thats another story.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/deep-ball-project
November 17th, 2018 at 10:11 am
@Pete
If you honestly believe that, you’re ignorant Joke. He was well, well above mediocre in his Rookie Year and 2016. He had a 2-14 roster from the year before at 6-6 before Kwon got suspended and Lovie broke the teams will to win in the locker room before the Saints game when they were getting hyped up to go dominate and he told them all to sit down and shut up.
In 2015 he was the 11h most productive QB in football for yardage, 16th in TD’s thrown with 22, and ran 6 more in while throwing 15 interceptions. Well above Mediocre for a 22 year old rookie.
In 2016 as we all know, he led 6-10 team from the year before and had them at 8-5… 8 AND 5! Before ultimately going 9-7 and losing out on the playoffs due to tiebreakers when the defense lost it’s edge and got bludgeoned on the ground for nearly 350 yards against Dallas and Nola.
That year Jameis had the 12th most yards gained threw the Air, threw the 7th most Touchdowns with 28, but saw his rushing touchdowns drop to 1 for the year, and he threw 3 more picks with 18. Still, for a 2nd year player on a team that hadn’t had a winning season in 6 years, he was well, well above mediocre.
2017 is a wash because he played numerous games with a torn AC joint, some well Ala Buffalo, some not so well. And he missed several games.
2018 is by far his most disappointing season to date. Obviously getting suspended isn’t something I can defend, it hurt him and the team. And since being thrown to the wolves against the Bears down 3 scores, outside of one Pretty damn good game against the Falcons, he’s had his worst stretch of play.
But based on his 2 full seasons in his first 2 years with the team, he showed enough for us to stick with him. And give him a chance with another Coach and another system. That’s my opinion but wtf do I know?
November 17th, 2018 at 10:12 am
This offense is NOT the best offense in Tampa Bay history
This is the best ‘ passing’ offense in bus history
I rather have the 1979 offense, when they rushed for over 2400 yards
November 17th, 2018 at 10:13 am
**Bucs**
November 17th, 2018 at 10:22 am
@Lakeland: the 1979 NFL was nothing like the 2018 NFL.
Different game.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:27 am
The game is different
But the Bucs had an identity
It was ‘smashmouth’ football
They ran for over 2400 yards
They were 1st in scoring defense ( 14.8 PTS/G)
This team has no identity
1st in offensive total yards per game
Last in defensive scoring defense
The times are different
The 1979 team was feared
This team is the ” Joke ” of the NFL
November 17th, 2018 at 10:30 am
Lakeland-
They have no identity because the head coach has no identity-
You call the plays, no I’ll call the plays, nevermind you call the plays.
You be qb, no you be qb, nevermind you be qb.
We can’t run the ball, and we give up too many sacks, pressures, but our OLine is great, you fans just don’t see it
It’s not just one thing… yes it is- You, Koetter.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:30 am
@Ndog: I am no “hater.”
I stated before I liked the pick and was a big supported…*hopeful* he would blossom into a star.
Hasn’t happened. And the Bucs spent lavishly on “Weapons for Winston” to the total dereliction of duty on the defense.
I care about wins, not stats. And here is a state that cannot be disputed: turnovers determine the outcome of games more than any other, and turnover differential for a season is the #1 determining factor for winning.
Problem is your guy is America’s Turnover Machine. That loses games. He was a turnover machine in college, and he’s been a turnover machine with the Bucs. That will never change.
Deal with it.
I am also on record for stating I want to see what Ryan Griffin brings to the Bucs more than either Winston or Fitzpatrick.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:31 am
1st in total yards per game
But 12th in scoring
How can this offense be so great
When they are LAST in scoring in their own division
November 17th, 2018 at 10:32 am
@Lakeland: The ’79 team had a smashmouth defense. This one does not.
When a team gets down 2-3 scores in the first half, that teams identity changes as does the game plan.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:37 am
Cobraboy
So how can this offense be so great
Great offense don’t get behind by 3-4 scores
No matter how bad the defense is
Great offense don’t have ‘droughts’
where they have 3 straight possessions that ends in punts/turnovers
November 17th, 2018 at 10:38 am
Great offenses scores early and often
November 17th, 2018 at 10:41 am
This offense only get a ton of yards in garbage time
Or they get a ton of yards, marching up the field
Then stall like a failed engine in the Red Zone
November 17th, 2018 at 10:45 am
Whichever Joe this is you are just Pathetic.
Fitz giving the ball out like it was Halloween Candy????
Really
Jameis Winston in 13 Quarters has 6 TDs to FIFTEEN TOs!!!!!!!!!
Fitz in 7 games has 17 TDs to 13 TOs
WHO exactly is giving out Halloween Candy????
SMDH
November 17th, 2018 at 10:50 am
The Bucs offense is 1st in total Yards per game
12th in Points Per game
29th in Points Per Yard
In other words
They are an offense that gain a ton of yards
But score few points
November 17th, 2018 at 10:51 am
I wouldn’t define this as “great”
November 17th, 2018 at 10:54 am
Ha more Winston excuses from the Joe. This is like asking a pitcher to not throw a fastball because he’s no good at it.
November 17th, 2018 at 11:17 am
Can’t we all just get along?
November 17th, 2018 at 11:19 am
I’ve seen JW overthrow a 5 yard flat pass to a RB..it’s not just the deep ball, and he’s gonna get somebody killed with the late high balls.
November 17th, 2018 at 11:36 am
Remember when Joe used to crudely paste Winston’s face over Jesus’ and call him the Messiah?
Pepperidge Farm remembers
November 17th, 2018 at 11:40 am
Jamrkbuc
It’s football. Stop with ” going to get them killed”. It’s football. Not ballerina tryouts if your confusing the 2. Softy
November 17th, 2018 at 11:40 am
@WalkdaPlank
Yeah that in addition to many things, including the nickname “America’s QB” are pretty whack.
But I still think the right move for this franchise is to pour every penny we can into improving the Front office and Coaching staff. Because nothing matters in the NFL if those two boxes aren’t checked.
November 17th, 2018 at 11:43 am
Its great to have that so called great Offense. Which by the way..we think..we have but do not..failing miserably time and time again in thr red zone.
But if you got a GREAT DEFENSE? Well, you got a Winner in town guys. Funny how when we Stocked our Offense..Our Defensive calling card went to Sh..! And we won more games with that great Defense. Anybody remember? Nope. Cause You’s don’t wanna remember, you want that exciting offense right? Look where it got You/us?. Made us the Dreggs of the NFl. BRING BACK THE OLD KICK A… TAMPA BAY BUC DEFENSE!!!! Hit an SOB in the mouth and create turnovers. Then, even a..Brad Johnson could take you into the endzone!
November 17th, 2018 at 11:57 am
One has to wonder if the decision to bench Jameis came from the Glazers ?
If Jameis were to play, and either get hurt or fake an Injury, then guess what ?
We will owe him 21 Million dollars, due to the injury clause in his Contract.
Something to think about
November 17th, 2018 at 12:01 pm
For the Winston apologists: ever sit in a QB room during film review?
I did…for 9 years, college and pro, then in college as a grad asst.
How many times does the coach, whether HC, OC or QB coach have to say “You CANNOT throw that football”, “Did you even SEE that guy? Why did you not check down?”, “You CANNOT check to that play when…”, “You HAVE to protect the football”, “You HAVE to keep two hands on the ball” or any other of dozens of coaching points before those words sink in?
How many times did Jimbo Fisher say those words? Koetter? Monken? Bajakian?
If Winston is allegedly so smart, why does he STILL make the SAME mistakes for four years? For Two years in college?
WHY do you guys overlook the obvious? At what point is the PLAYER responsible for HIS PLAY?
Giving Winston lame excuses for HIS poor play will not make the guy suddenly better.
Maybe the benching is some “tough love”…which possibly should have been applied years ago.
November 17th, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:
I agree. I would not be surprised if the order came from above Koetter and Licht’s pay grade.
I would not be at all surprised if Winston’s lies to the entire organization made their hearts grow cold. The deal may have been clinched when the Glazers approved one more chance…and he completely bombed out with his play.
$21 million may be nothing to kids playing Madden or Fantasy football. But that is a TON of cheese IRL, when it’s YOUR money and not house money.
$21 million by itself could help cure the REAL Bucs problem, and that is NOT Jameis Winston. It’s the defense.
November 17th, 2018 at 12:19 pm
Watch jameis play he is lost out there. Is that coaching? He lit it up against vanilla defense in the preseason. Once the real season starts with real defense he doesnt know what to do. For a guy that is the first to arrive and the last to leave he should have a better understanding of defenses 4 years in.
I rooted and cheered winston for 4 years only to watch zero progression in his play. I am done waiting for him to reach his “potential”. His potential is to lose the game with bad decisions despite his sometimes outstanding play.
November 17th, 2018 at 12:23 pm
Just go back to losing without Jameis then….
Oh wait …they are….and prolly lose the rest!
November 17th, 2018 at 12:25 pm
This year is OVER folks. So the real questions remain. Will the Bucs insert Winston into the starting lineup next week and can Winston turn the corner with the turnovers? Will Buc fans sacrifice this 2018 season if Winston goes out and proves he can take care of the football better for 2019 and beyond? I’ve been wrong before but I suspect after this Jersey game where the Bucs lose on the road and are 3-7 it will be Winston time against the 49’ers at home and for the last 6 games. There will be absolutely no reason for Koetter to keep going with Fitz and if he does he should be let go immediately. Actually I think he should be let go now but that’s another story.
November 17th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
He is better than Manning and Marino if you look at the numbers.
November 17th, 2018 at 12:38 pm
@ Walkdaplank, my first post in a couple years because of stuff like that, jamischrist etc. I just came to read some comments and see who is still out there, waving to those that remember me. Looks like some things never change, bucs life..
November 17th, 2018 at 12:44 pm
The real reason he was benched. He sucked!! The whole world saw it. There is no defending it unless you want to look like a fool defending failure.
November 17th, 2018 at 12:45 pm
Dirk is an idiot. Can koetter. FIREEEEEEEELicht!
November 17th, 2018 at 12:45 pm
Hahaha to remember soggy bottom! Kudos to you sir!
November 17th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
Look, I’m a die hard bucs fan like most here.
I screamed all offseason to “fix the trenches and fix the Bucs” and while I’m glad they tried, they did not do enough on the offensive line and spent too much 2nd round capital on RBs and end when they could have used those 3 picks on additional lineman and used the secondary free agent market to bring in the depth in the secondary.
It was obvious then and even more obvious now. Joe told us daily that the Bucs were no good st coaching up young DBs and it shows.
The second thing I screamed about was Fitz not being the guy, hows he never made the playoffs and how SIX PREVIOUS HEAD COACHES have been fired fired from teams where Fitz was the starter.
And here we are again
The smart thing is to develop Jameis and see if he can progress at only 24 years old.
The selfish and foolish thing is to against tons of history and expect Gitz to do something he never has done before.
It’s absurd and the obvious solution is simple. But we do not have wise people making the obvious calls right now. That’s the Buc way and once again the Bucs doenfall
November 17th, 2018 at 12:47 pm
Soggy
The Bucs losing football games, will never change
The team has no identity
November 17th, 2018 at 1:00 pm
Fitzpatrick has played better then Winston this year. Dirk is not giving up on the season and will try to get us back into it. Can’t blame him for going with Fitz.
Can blame him for lots of other things but not this one.
November 17th, 2018 at 1:02 pm
@ Lakeland and Walkdaplank, thanks for the wave, been a long time. I used to joke around alot on here, kind of miss that, but not the bucs troubles year after year, pretty sad really and not easy to joke about anymore..
November 17th, 2018 at 1:02 pm
do both joes support winston?
either way, fitzpatrick is the qb. support him and the team.
i think winston is done at qb. the brass has decided he has let them down too many times. $20.9 million is fully guaranteed for injury this year. jameis is not worth that.
November 17th, 2018 at 1:04 pm
So play a QB that you and the defense knows doesn’t throw a good deep ball?
It shrinks the amount of the field that the defense has to cover. This is an idiotic argument.
November 17th, 2018 at 1:06 pm
Winston’s career is over and we wasted 4 years hoping he would change. Please keep him on the sideline so we don’t pay him 21 million more of our much needed dollars for him to fake an injury.
November 17th, 2018 at 1:08 pm
Al least when they were running the ball and playing hard nose defense
They had an identity…Buc Ball
But now they are like a lost deer in the forest
November 17th, 2018 at 1:18 pm
Lamarcus
None of that changes the fact that Jay-Miss rarely hits a moving target…
These WR’s work hard, and don’t alligator arm Jaymiss’s errant throws..to their credit.
They don’t deserve to hung out to dry.
November 17th, 2018 at 1:20 pm
Not playing Winston this week is just stupid. Stubborn and stupid!
Especially after that sh!tshow of a “performance” Fitzpatrick put on tape last week against a not so great Redskins defense.
It’s literally inexcusable to claim that Fitz gives this team a better chance to win on any given Sunday than Winston does…
November 17th, 2018 at 1:32 pm
the Winston hats is just people being delusional. $50 say these people don’t even watch the game, just regurgitating some bs they heard on talk radio
November 17th, 2018 at 1:42 pm
Kansas, in my case, if i was one of the people you were referring to, I do indeed watch every game so you owe me 50 dollars bud.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:02 pm
At the end of the day none of this matters cause this is the worst most non supportive fan base in the country and mainly that is due to a lack of football knowledge. These people are all lost and think they know what they are watching when they really have know clue. So those of us that are trying to talk sense to the “others” are just wasting our time. They will never see it mainly cause they don’t want to. Jameis has been more than good enough to win a ton of games but this has had zero run game, defense or kicking pretty much his entire career. Yes he was HORRIBLE against Cinco but that is one game. Other than that game he is a very good QB with the potential to be great something we have never seen here. I am coming to the conclusion later in life that most people are just not that bright.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:04 pm
Man good gosh who bleeping cares —— dammit man we talk about non stories so much. GD – Jameis is on the bench because he SUCKS HOW HARD IS THAT? He’s bottom tier qb right now. That’s not to say his future will be different but right now would you hitch your wagon to a quarterback you can’t trust on and off the field???
Dam can we chill on the slanted reporting?? He stinks and his win loss record says he stinks too!
November 17th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
We were losing with Jameis as well, both of the quarterbacks on this team is subpar.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
You can’t be a “gun slinger” if you can hit it deep. He is a beer pong slinger, not a gun slinger
November 17th, 2018 at 2:17 pm
That is ridiculous. If our QB can’t perform all the throws asked of him that’s a huge handicap and makes us one dimensional. So Joe’s solution is to stop throwing the ball deep to receivers who can take the top off every defense is just plain silly. Why don’t we just tell the safeties to play close to the line of scrimmage ..I’m dumbfounded by this article.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:20 pm
Yeah
The thing about being a gunslinger is you have to hit your target…
Gunslingers that can’t hit a target, catch bullets…
November 17th, 2018 at 2:20 pm
Pickgrin. Fitz has played better this year.
No that don’t mean Winston can’t play better or doesn’t have that ability. I hardly see how it’s inexcusable to play the guy who has been better overall.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:24 pm
A little food for thought………If you break down all of Winston’s deep throws he is awful throwing sideline routes. But if you look at his deep throws to the middle his stats are rather impressive.
Problem is we don’t throw deep balls over the middle.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:28 pm
Ndog shut the f**k up dude. Our fanbase has just endured 2 decades of garbage football.
There is no hope on the horizon yet we are still here reading and/commenting about this team because we still care……. Yet your dumbass wants to rattle off some nonsense about us being unsupportive.
I just I will chalk up your dumbass comment to frustration over this awful team. But dang that comment was stupid.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:31 pm
It’s plain to see for me. “Trusting“ Winston has nothing to do with interceptions. Fitzpatrick throws interceptions at an alarming rate also. This trust people keep referring to boils down to Winston changing the plays in the huddle (see attempted quadruple laterals at the goal line on the last play of the game) and deviating from Koetter’s game plan.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:32 pm
And just because somebody has a different opinion then you don’t mean they are dumb. I mean unless you are Good. Are you God bro?
Get the hell out of here. I only see one genuinely stupid comment here and that’s the one calling us faithful fans of this Trainwreck unsupportive.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:35 pm
The fans are stupid because Winston throws interceptions at an unsustainable rate? All with leading his team to a poor W/L record. Sound logic there. When the Winstopologists can’t defend they attack the fans. Winston is where he has put himself. It isn’t the fan base that wanted nothing more than him to succeed bringing him down. It is the lack of leadership on the Bucs doing that. Is that what you call irony, NDog?
November 17th, 2018 at 2:36 pm
@SchwiftyBuc
a hit dog will holler
November 17th, 2018 at 2:39 pm
@Kansas95
The letters of Dog Food lid spelled backwards can be arranged to say dildo of god.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:40 pm
JimmyJack I go to every game and sit in a section that is pretty much road fans every game. During those same games I hear very loud chants like Fly Eagles Fly, Go Pack Go, Let’s Go Skins, Who Dat, and on and on. Then when the games are over and we lost, like usual, I have to listen to fans talk trash to me in my own stadium. Then to put the cherry on the Sunday the Browns come to town, and BTW are worst than us historically, and they are supporting their team in our stadium better and more energetically than we did. Does that sound like a good fan base to you? And we draft a QB #1 overall and a large segment of the fan base has been rooting for him to fail since day one. In fact they are so happy that when he has a bad game they relesh in it. So ill ask again, does that sound like a good fan base to you?
November 17th, 2018 at 2:43 pm
@Ndog
not supportive…omegalol! i think majority of us care which is why we’re so pissed off. its like us fans see the problem and offer ways to help but the guys at the top are not watching the same game. I don’t know about you but im tired of always being losers
November 17th, 2018 at 2:44 pm
I’ll say it again for you to understand, this is the worst and most uneducated fan base in the league, period. And there really isn’t even a close second and it’s disgusting.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:45 pm
Exactly my point. I was hoping you were going to explain how Winston wasn’t throwing picks at an unsustainable rate.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:49 pm
Kansas95Buc yes I am tired of the team listening to this stupid fan base and running off great talents, just like most of these people are trying to do with Jameis. Why do you think we suck, we run talent out of town cause our dumba** fanbase is always crying and blaming the wrong people. Can you say, Talib, Blount, Bennet, Young, Williams, Barron, Swearinger, Vinny T etc…
November 17th, 2018 at 2:54 pm
@Ndog
hey let me apologize bro. i read your second comment and i see what you’re saying now. youre right, we cant be getting bullied on our ship. man i would love to be in tampa during the home games talking sh!t to the opposing teams
November 17th, 2018 at 2:55 pm
@Ndog
that list just made me mad again lol
November 17th, 2018 at 2:56 pm
Adding Jameis to that list is what would make me even more mad.
#EndTheCurse #ResignJameis
November 17th, 2018 at 2:56 pm
Ndog
name one teams fanbase that doesn’t cheer when they play us? Hell, I would be happy to cheer if we played us. It’s the only time FLA Browns fans can cheer. I’ve been a Buc’s fan since the beginning even when I lived in Haiti. They haven’t given us a lot to cheer about for a long time but yet you think it’s something you can turn on like a switch. Win …and keep on winning and you’ll see the home team outnumber the enemies fans. Don’t chastise the fans who participate unless you want the rest of us to shut down. It’s much easier to root for a team that wins a lot so why trash us that have endured so much historical losing?
November 17th, 2018 at 2:57 pm
Season Is Over Says:
November 17th, 2018 at 2:35 pm
The fans are stupid because Winston throws interceptions at an unsustainable rate? All with leading his team to a poor W/L record. Sound logic there. When the Winstopologists can’t defend they attack the fans. Winston is where he has put himself. It isn’t the fan base that wanted nothing more than him to succeed bringing him down. It is the lack of leadership on the Bucs doing that. Is that what you call irony, NDog?
Are you really so clueless that you think the number of picks a QB has, has nothing to do with having zero running game and the worst defense in football? Again he sucked in Cincy but the majority of times in his career he is having to play a game of who has the ball last wins and you better score each possession or your going to get blown out. That means picks, forced throws, sacks, fumbles. But see you want to blame the QB when the fact is with an average defense and kicker alone we would have made the playoffs twice in his career but you want to get rid of him? This is why YOU are clueless cause let’s says he goes then what we are going win? Well please tell us tough guy how has that worked out the last 4 times he didn’t start. I’ll wait…
November 17th, 2018 at 2:57 pm
Did I mention the four fumbles from being indecisive on top of the interceptions?
November 17th, 2018 at 2:58 pm
Ndog……..I know there are issues at our stadium but I seriously doubt that those of us that read and comment here are part of that problem. Don’t try to act like you are entitled to call all of us out because we go to the same stadium you do and have to endure the same thing.
You are just being as A$$hole to call anybody here unsupportive. None of us here are part of that problem. We are part of the solution.
And please tell me who is happy when Winston lays an egg? I’m betting you are blowing it out of porportion. I realize their are a few phoneys posing as Buc fans that spew hate about the guy but don’t forget there is a big difference between critism and hate.
I see a lot of critism about Winston and only a few genuine haters. Winston is not above any critism that any other QB is. And the fact remains Winston has played like ass this year……….Nobody is a bad fan for criticizing him or even if we want to move onto a different QB, which is all that’s going on for the most part.
November 17th, 2018 at 2:59 pm
by the way the fans don’t run the team
November 17th, 2018 at 3:00 pm
More proof that Koetter has a love affair with D-Jax for some reason . Winston is accurate in long passes maybe but not bombs and as you said dont use them . If he was a great coordinator he should be able to develop a game plan that utilizes Winston strengths say having a running game so that our QB’s don’t have to throw 50+ times a game which is what is creating all the int’s. The more i think about it .. it’s tine to fire Koetter. We can get our interviewing started early….
November 17th, 2018 at 3:04 pm
Ndog
You only contribute to this moronic fan base when you make idiotic comments like you do. Technically we are all stupid as we think a franchise that has not been respectable in almost 20 years will change. But the stuff you spew is straight stupidity. Like straight up IQ dropping man.
Acting like Jameis is some kind of god outside of the Cincy game. Lol. And you think the Glazers actually LISTEN to the fanbase?? Moron.
And really?? We ran those guys off, huh? You are a whole dumbass if you believe we should’ve kept Aquib Talib after the crap he did here. He is a great talent but 32 franchises out of 32 would’ve gotten rid of him if they had drafted him and he did THAT. Bennett? The fans? Really? We were PISSED when he was allowed to walk where in the sam hell were YOU Ndog? Swearinger sucked as a Buc and so did Vinny T you absolute imbecile. Doug Williams was ran off by a racist owner not the fans. Young is like a one in a million time thing that happened over 30 years ago stop crying about it. And Mark Barron was a terrible safety it’s not the fans fault he makes a decent linebacker on a stacked Rams team.
Check your trash at the door before you post.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:05 pm
Tough guy? You are the one attacking a whole fan base with an unsound argument. Each game he as thrown at least two picks. One game he had four. Two of those games he had two fumbles. That is unsustainable even with a good defense. Koetter knew it and wasn’t going to sink the ship or his career with it. Fitz has failed also. I fail to see your point. The fans are stupid because Winston turns the ball over at an unsustainable rate? The fans are not in control of who is seeing the field.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:12 pm
Ndog…….Now you’re calling people clueless for criticizing the QB.
I got news for you bro. Their are 31 other fanbases that would be highly critical if their QB was turning the ball over as much as Winston.
Winston is not above the same critism that any other QB in the league is subject to. QBs are always under the microscope in this league……always have been to. Somehow you don’t seem to understand this……..Maybe you’re own football knowledge needs to be questioned.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:15 pm
Ndog = Fool
November 17th, 2018 at 3:16 pm
Jay-Miss is not a franchise QB. Let it go.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:17 pm
No I am calling you clueless because you blame the QB for our losing when we have no running game, the worst defense in football and no kicking game. That to me is pretty clear but for some reason you are blind to the FACTS. I believe cause you are clueless, pretty simple really.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:19 pm
Get it right Pete a fool that forgot more football than you will ever know.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:19 pm
Here’s a FACT for ya Ndog
Franchise QB’s don’t get benched for subpar 36 year old career loser back ups in their fourth year. Keep crying into your Jameis Winston pillow while the rest of us fans worry about who our QB is gonna be next year
November 17th, 2018 at 3:22 pm
Guys………..
JW3 has 15 TOs to 6TDs in 13 quarters of play so far this yr
Fitz has 13 TOs to 17TDs in 24 quarters of play so far this yr.
Why is it so hard to see why Koetter is sticking with Fitz?
November 17th, 2018 at 3:22 pm
Ndog needs a hug from a big breasted lady I think.
But like I said on my first comment I will choose to believe Ndog is just a frustrated Buc fan and is just venting in his own way………He’s probably so mad at this team hes just looking for a fight. He’s still cool because he’s a Bus fan but he will have to be called an a$$hole when warranted.
Ndog if it’s a fight your looking for we can do the real thing at the tailgate. I’ll bring the gloves and headgear. My only condition is we have a beer afterwards.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:25 pm
I’m sure most Buc fans understand the need to play Winston. The amount of investment alone most likely means he needs to be brought back next season under a different system. Would drafting someone early to compete with him make him fold? Surely he could beat out the rookie, right? That is the question. The team would be covering their bases but he folded coming back when Fitz played well. This was after glowing reports in preseason and during his suspension. None of this changes the fact that he was making terrible decisions and Koetter had every right to bench him. It was embarrassing the team and robbing them of the morale to even play. Just like the kicker was. Fitz had an embarrassing performance himself last week. Fitz’ arm strength doesn’t look right to me on top of some of the bad decisions. Winston will see the field soon enough. Whether or not that is a good thing is part of the problem.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:27 pm
WalkdaPlank, that’s the point all these people come on here and hammer the players when it’s the coaching that brings these players down. If you people honestly believe Jameis or anyone on this has gotten good coaching you are insane. Like I asked in a previous post please tell us who on this roster has improved under this coaching staff? But yet Jameis is supposed to and he is the only one accountable, how about our useless head coach? But that wouldn’t fit you narrative now would it? What has Koetter or Fitz ever done to gain your loyalty? Nothing and they both have sucked but the key is their name is not Jameis Winston.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:30 pm
Ndog……..There is just one problem……..Not one person here has blamed Winston for losing.
You have literally just made that up.
Part of having an argument is to actually listen to the other person/people. Making up stories makes you seem like the clueless one.
The only thing anybody has done is criticze Winston. That is it. But the truth is that Winston’s bad play is part of the reason for two of our losses this year……along with the other things you mentioned.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:33 pm
But whatever………you won’t understand what “part of the problem” means. I’m sure you will respond with name-calling and telling me how smart you are.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:33 pm
WalkdaPlank Says:
November 17th, 2018 at 3:19 pm
Here’s a FACT for ya Ndog
Franchise QB’s don’t get benched for subpar 36 year old career loser back ups in their fourth year. Keep crying into your Jameis Winston pillow while the rest of us fans worry about who our QB is gonna be next year
Yes they by the same idiot that keep the worst defensive coordinator in the league, and the same idiot that played Doug Martin, by the same idiot that rotated guards all last year, by the same idiot that doesn’t make our best returner return punts then praises him, by the same idiot that took playing calling away from Monken when that was the only part of the team that was working, by the same idiot that will be fired in Jan. So you trust him right? Boy you guys have some a** arguements.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:34 pm
Ndog
I’ll answer your question: the receiving corp
It’s one of the very best in the game. O.J Howard, Adam Humphries, Cameron Brate, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans. All of these guys have improved since coming here hell two of them were UNDRAFTED. I don’t include Djax because he is a veteran. Unfortunately that’s about it.
I don’t disagree with you about Koetter, or Fitz.
And another thing I don’t expect Jameis to win every game. Winning games is a team effort. This team SUCKS. What I do expect Jameis to do is not to be one of the reasons we are losing. Which he is. He averages damn near 2 turnovers a game. Let me repeat that. TWO. TURNOVERS. A. GAME. How do you expect to win the game when you can’t even win the turnover battle. You might as well chalk up at least 1 turnover for the other team before the game even starts courtesy of Jameis Winston. And he does have a great group of guys to throw to as I said earlier, and he can’t hit em!!!
Two of those guy are over 6 foot 4!!!! How do you overthrow that???
November 17th, 2018 at 3:40 pm
It is embarrassing that I get lumped into the same “fan” base as you guys. SMH but this is what I should expect from our fan base.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:41 pm
Ndog = Pompous Fool
November 17th, 2018 at 3:54 pm
Winston has no deep ball accuracy and is MORE careless with the ball than Fitz. What is so hard to understand about that? Should we go another 4 or 5 years with this guy at $20 million plus a year? Time to move on.
November 17th, 2018 at 3:59 pm
Get over yourself dude. You ain’t no better of a fan then anybody else.
You’re one guy with one opinion. Just like the rest of us. You’re a f**king nobody at the end of the day. You are entitled to nothing. Now deal with it.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:05 pm
koetter’s fault jameis assaulted an uber driver?
koetter’s fault jameis was suspended for 3 games?
koetter’s fault jameis broke his promise when drafted?
koetter’s fault on jameis’ inaccuracies on passes?
November 17th, 2018 at 4:08 pm
Koetter’s fault we only score 3 points when he takes over playcalling.
Koetter’s fault he hired Mike Smith
Koetter’s fault we didn’t fire Mike Smith after he was 2017’s worst DC
Koetter’s fault we’ve gone 3-5 for the past 3 years in a row
Koetter’s fault this team has no identity
Koetter’s fault that Caleb Benenoch and Demar Dotson are starting
November 17th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
I like that better
Ndog = Nobody fool
November 17th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
JimmyJack Says:
November 17th, 2018 at 3:59 pm
Get over yourself dude. You ain’t no better of a fan then anybody else.
Correct JimmyJack not better just more knowledgeable and common sense.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:11 pm
Swifterbuck is correct it is Koetters fault for a great many things.
But Lurker is even more correct it is Jameis many faults that let Koetter and everyone else down.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:11 pm
so ndog, do you thing jameis is worth $20.5 million next year and more on next contract?
Jameis Winston
G Cmp% Yds TD Int Rec W/L Fum/FRec Sak
49 61.2 1281 75 54 19-29 35/16 108
(2018) 4 64.9 1181 6 10 1-2 4/0 13
November 17th, 2018 at 4:13 pm
so we are agreed, schwifty, koetter and jameis should both be gone.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:13 pm
Ndog = Nobody with common sense and more knowledgeable fool.
Yeah that fits.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:14 pm
Koetter’s fault we didn’t tank the last game of 2017
Koetter’s fault we missed out on Bradley Chubb
Koetter’s fault we missed out on Quenton Nelson
Koetters fault that Doug Martin was our starter in 2017
Koetter’s fault he gets outcoached and out gameplanned in nearly every game
Koetter’s fault he makes Djax a captain 1 week after he demanded a trade
Koetter’s fault the O-line loafs and don’t play through the whistle
Koetter’s fault George Warhop is our Run game coordinator for 2 years
Koetter’s fault Warhop is still employed
Koetter’s fault we didn’t have 17 million laying around to sign Calais Campbell
I could go on.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:14 pm
That’s my pet theory on why we struggle with the endzone too: this offense is simply predicated on long routes. It’s why Dirk took over playcalling, to “spark the running game”. OR, maybe have tricky and clever intermediate routes, which have replaced the running game in today’s game in a lot of circles, and certainly work in the red zone. Nope, it’s just bombs away.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:15 pm
Ndog you don’t even understand what the pecking order is in the NFL or know when player critism is warranted………As I stated above the stupidest comment in this entire room belongs to you.
I will not deny you have knowlegde and common sense. I’m sure you understand a lot of different things. Unfortunately football aren’t one of them and you are on a football site.
You also terrible at conversations and arguments.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:17 pm
If the franchise quarterback gets benched, that’s one helluva story. And if that is somehow not a story, Joe is burning his journalism degree and shutting this site down.
(Hint: It’s not a story. It’s a MONSTER story. Maybe the biggest story since Chucky was jettisoned.)
November 17th, 2018 at 4:17 pm
@lurker
Nope I want to end the curse of never having resigned a drafted QB and resign Jameis past 2019 and give him a chance in a legitimate NFL offense and actually give him a defense and a running game.
And I want Koetter and Licht gone, but I don’t want the G’s to make the new hire. I want them to hire a research firm or Team president like Bill Cowher or Bill Polian to do it. Because they haven’t made a good decision in that regard since trading for Gruden, and even then he was their second choice after Parcels walked out on them.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:17 pm
At least your comments are more entertaining(in their stupidity) then then some of the duller commenters. You got that going for ya.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:24 pm
Ndog,
Get out of here, dude! I don’t think you should call observant fans “clueless” when it is plain as day that Winston is wreckless with the ball, lacks deep ball acumen, and is facing a year long + ban with another off the field incident.
Jameis was the number one overall pick. Fitz was the 14th QB taken in his draft 14 years ago.
Why can’t the #1 overall pick demonstrate the ability to play better football than Fitzpatrick?
I am sorry Jameis hasn’t worked out, and you should acknowledge the poor play this year, inflicted by his suspension. And we were all lied too. Can the Jameis Honks admit that much at least?
It’s funny, Jameis Honks have no problem pointing out every flaw in Fitzpatrick. I wonder why they have selective recognition? Hypocrisy is a helluva drug.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:27 pm
Joe,
Agree whole heartedly with your assessment that this is a monster story.
Our number one overall pick at QB has been benched for poor behavior and atrocious play this year. It’s a huge story, for both the Jameis Honks and the fans of the “team”.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:30 pm
Time will tell gentlemen but in the meantime I will be rooting for my team while you all root for our players to fail and then celebrate when they have a bad game. Maybe I just don’t understand your kind of fandom. I just choose to actually hope my team does well, sorry about that, my bad. It doesn’t really make me happy to hope our franchise QB fails because our predictable, outdated, and one dimensional offensive system.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:34 pm
I have to give Winston a lot of credit for handling his benching the way he has. A lot of QBs would have thrown a fit and created drama to get out of town.
The guy is still committed to our city and I appreciate that. You can say whatever you will about Winston but you can’t really question his commitment to his team.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:40 pm
Ndog……As I told you their are not many fans that are happy when Winston fails. If there were you would have had an answer for me earlier.
Your perception just does not meet reality bro. But that’s OK, your perception is what makes you special. Don’t never change……Fanbases need all types. Even the crazy ones who stay in the corners name-calling their own kind.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:42 pm
SteveK Says:
November 17th, 2018 at 4:27 pm
Joe,
Agree whole heartedly with your assessment that this is a monster story.
Our number one overall pick at QB has been benched for poor behavior and atrocious play this year. It’s a huge story, for both the Jameis Honks and the fans of the “team”.
SteveK you do realize Jameis is part of the team right?
November 17th, 2018 at 4:47 pm
It’s Coaching
It’s DJax
It’s the Defense
It’s Unknown mystery
Ummmm JOE. ITS throwing INTs. Making dumb plays
You compare 2 INTs by the Bench Guy to 4 INTs by the starting Elite Guy
(Should have been 7 INTs if the Browns didn’t have butter fingers )
I understand being a Fan But come on enough with theExcuses everyone in the NFL called this guy out
November 17th, 2018 at 4:50 pm
Unfortunately if Ndog goes to as many games as he says he does, and sits by all those fans of other teams, that means other team’s fans are probably getting a poor sampling of what Bucs fans are like.
God help the next fan that has to sit next to Ndog who will instead of cheering on his team will just constantly be complaining about how his fellow fans suck and he is awesome and want to show that fan his Jameis Winston memorabilia
November 17th, 2018 at 4:52 pm
Ndog,
Yes! I have a Bucs/Jameis Jersey in my closet, but I put the team before one player. Jameis put himself before the team when he got suspended.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:53 pm
Ndog,
I root for the team, and when Jameis was in there I root for him.
Can you root for Fitz to succeed when he plays, just as you do Jameis.
November 17th, 2018 at 4:58 pm
Ndog I have a suggestion for you. Ask Santa for a fishing pole this year. Just don’t bother with a lucky hat, I doubt you could pull it off.
November 17th, 2018 at 5:08 pm
Ndog,
You calling the offensive scheme “predictable, outdated, and one dimensional” is funny AF.
Your blinders go up, why can’t Winston execute the scheme better than Fitz?
Why do we have the number one passing O in the game?
Our running game is a product of Licht’s inability to Sign Adrian Peterson either of the past two years, as well as having a bad run blocking scheme.
You’re such a Jameis Honk. We don’t root for him to fail, but we honestly observe that he is bad this year and worse than Fitz in 2018.
Yes or no, NDog, is Jameis producing worse than Fitz in 2018? I bet you aren’t man enough to answer, and you go on a rant about “clueless” fans and “damn Dirk!”
Why did Jameis hang out with Darby and a convicted rapist on the night he groped an Uber driver? After hanging with darby during the time at FSU that Jameis was accused of assualt, wouldn’t one be smarter and have body guards/private drivers/chaperones I’d uou wanted to hang?
And then to LIE about it. That’s crap, and not a love by a mature human being. Not only is he a fool, but he’s entitled, and his play in 2018 has stunk.
I agree with redhead Joe, something might have happened that we don’t know about.
I was happy we drafted Jameis, and after 4 years I never thought he’d be Josh Freeman 2.0. Sad.
November 17th, 2018 at 5:09 pm
Ndog,
You calling the offensive scheme “predictable, outdated, and one dimensional” is funny AF.
Your blinders go up, why can’t Winston execute the scheme better than Fitz?
Why do we have the number one passing O in the game?
Our running game is a product of Licht’s inability to Sign Adrian Peterson either of the past two years, as well as having a bad run blocking scheme.
You’re such a Jameis Honk. We don’t root for him to fail, but we honestly observe that he is bad this year and worse than Fitz in 2018.
Yes or no, NDog, is Jameis producing worse than Fitz in 2018? I bet you aren’t man enough to answer, and you go on a rant about “clueless” fans and “damn Dirk!”
Why did Jameis hang out with Darby and a convicted rapist on the night he groped an Uber driver? After hanging with darby during the time at FSU that Jameis was accused of assualt, wouldn’t one be smarter and have body guards/private drivers/chaperones I’d uou wanted to hang?
And then to LIE about it. That’s crap, and not a love by a mature human being. Not only is he a fool, but he’s entitled, and his play in 2018 has stunk.
I agree with Joe, something might have happened that we don’t know about.
I was happy we drafted Jameis, and after 4 years I never thought he’d be Josh Freeman 2.0. Sad.
November 17th, 2018 at 5:10 pm
Ndog,
You calling the offensive scheme “predictable, outdated, and one dimensional” is funny AF.
Your blinders go up, why can’t Winston execute the scheme better than Fitz?
Why do we have the number one passing O in the game?
Our running game is a product of Licht’s inability to Sign Adrian Peterson either of the past two years, as well as having a bad run blocking scheme.
You’re such a Jameis Honk. We don’t root for him to fail, but we honestly observe that he is bad this year and worse than Fitz in 2018.
Yes or no, NDog, is Jameis producing worse than Fitz in 2018? I bet you aren’t man enough to answer, and you go on a rant about “clueless” fans and “damn Dirk!”
November 17th, 2018 at 5:13 pm
If I could wish one thing, it would be for Jameis to be better at taking his check down’s; Not improving on the long ball. If he recognized the check down, he would lessen his turnovers.
I have argued that Winston is one of the top throwers of intermediate routes. To be a superior quarterback, I felt that he did not need to be a great deep ball thrower. Just recognize what the defense gives you and take the check downs. I just thought by year three(3), I should be seeing that from him. I have not.
I personally think it is ridiculous to say that is a coaching issue. I am sure in every film session with the quarterbacks, they are showing those check down options. Why is he not doing it? Something in his DNA says he has to go for the bigger plays. It is what he did in the last game in New Orleans last year. Unfortunately, it has caused more harm than good for the team and his career.
Fitz is a less than average quarterback. The guys he has replaced in his career based upon performance are:
Marc Bulger – St Louis Rams
Trent Edwards – Buffalo Bills
Jake Locker – Tennessee Titans
Matt Schab – Houston Texans
Geno Smith – New York Jets
and now
Jameis Winston – Tampa Bay Bucs
Unfortunately, that is why this is a big story.
November 17th, 2018 at 5:18 pm
Fitz had two amazing games, when had no one had any idea what Monken was going to throw at them, but other than that they have played about the same which sucks for Jameis cause that is not good enough but that doesn’t mean we should be playing a 35 that is a finished product over the number 1 overall pick that could easily still grow into an elite player. At this point we are just pissing in the wind all cause we keep a idiot head coach in charge.
November 17th, 2018 at 5:36 pm
For SchwiftyBucsFan- I didn’t watch the GB-Seattle game. I just watched the 11 minute NFL video highlight clip which only showed the good throws that Rogers and Wilson made. My eyes only caught the highlights which some of the throws were spectacular especially those moonshots Rogers threw to Adams. I suppose another question is does Winston make other players better? The better QBs don’t need an all star team around them they make plays with guys that wouldn’t start on the Bucs.
November 17th, 2018 at 5:40 pm
If you don’t believe Winston is the best QB ever you’re labelled a hater or part of a clueless fan base. Okay. Then explain why across the football programs that feature ex player’s, coaches and GM’ s they have the same opinions as the haters and buc clueless crowd.
Michael Vick , believes Winston is not going to be in Tampa next year and possibly the leAgue if he can’t get a handle on his turnovers. Chris Carter said it the Bucs will move on and questioned his character. Bill polian thinks turnovers and inconsistencies are going to be a deciding factor as He is released. This is just a sampling of non buc fans, ex nfl experts, black people, front office types who can’t be included in your “I can dismiss there opinion because of……..” fingers in the ears blanket dismissals.
Sorry but the framing of fans as haters, clueless and rascists, possibly fascists as well, is demonstrably false. There’s simply no where for you to go as you have already pulled the race, intelligence, hate and local hicks cards. The national discussion about Winston isn’t or can not dismissed by any of these bottom of the barrel positions. You’re done and have lost again.
November 17th, 2018 at 6:18 pm
Ndog I feel the same way this fan base sucks and they know nothing about football. Jamies has played with a 32 rank defense and a 30 rank running game but they expect him to win the game with this team. Football is a team game not a quarterback game. If you don’t have a good defense you are going to lose. If you don’t have a running game you are going to lose. But if they are dumb enough to let Jamies go. Then we will be drafting a new quarterback and pass up on all the good defensive players that’s coming out the draft. And it will be the same thing. They will be saying that our defense suck again and they will be saying why did we pass up on all those good defensive players and blaming the GM for it . But it doesn’t matter as long as Jamies gone they will be happy to lose . I hate this fan base.
November 17th, 2018 at 6:44 pm
schwifty
i mentioned about a team president / person in between glazers and gm a week or 2 ago. i think they need a football person to ire the next gm.
also, i wanted us to lose the last game too, but that is why we are fans. koetter and the players are not supposed to lose, though perhaps it was done for jameis.
koetter does not draft, that is licht. that is like blaming all the losses on winston throughout his career, though his inaccuracies, turnovers, and immaturity on and off the field do/did hurt.
November 17th, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Michael Vick, Chris Carter, Bill Polian, Jimmy Johnson and on and on
share the opinion that some Tampa fans have that Winston is not going to be the future qb in Tampa. All those folks pointed to turnovers as a reason.
Those guys aren’t local, aren’t haters, not racists, have NFL experience. Yet somehow they have the same opinions as the local hicks, haters, racists and know nothing’s… How does that compute
November 17th, 2018 at 6:56 pm
Lmao
Ndog and O’Neill saying the fan base knows nothing about football because they don’t hug the nuts of the extremely inaccurate and stupid decision maker Winston lol. They forget what a true franchise QB is because of their blind love for anything FSU.
These two acting like they’re the voice of reason lmao.
A couple of nut hugging idiots lol.
Pot meet kettle.
Cry all you want you stupid as s morons. Your boy is done and it’s not because of the coach or anyone else. It’s because he has proven over and over that he can’t get it done.
Still making the same stupid decisions now that he did his rookie year and that’s all on him.
You two nut suckers blame every single thing other the person making the stupid decisions.
Both of you are as smart as a wet paper bag full of sh it.
Whaaa whaaaa bit** es.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:00 pm
@lurker
yeah well welcome to the club because I’ve been talking about it since last year when I wanted both Koetter and Licht to be replaced.
But you wrong about 2 things, Koetter absolutely does influence the draft. Koetter himself said that his relationship with the coach in Oregon who’s name I can’t remember at the moment was a big reason for us drafting Vita Vea.
And Winston has shown he has to the tools to be very good in this league, despite his flaws. I want to see him in an offense like Sean McVay’s or Andy Reids or John DeFilippo’s where they scheme people all over the field and take advantage of mismatches on every play.
I also want to see him on a team with a defense that hold’s up it’s end of the bargain. And I want to see him have the benefit of having a good running game and a good defense and good weapons and a coaching staff that doesn’t get out coached every game all at the same time. You know, like the perrenial playoff/championship contending teams all have?
I’ve been a hard core Bucs fan for some time now, and my Father has been one since moving to tampa back in the 70’s. I’m pretty well versed in Bucs lore, and I just want this franchise to get a huge monkey off it’s back by resigning a drafted QB to a 2nd contract.
I truly believe that it would lift a humongous amount of pressure off Jameis’ shoulders and would let him play the game naturally like he does when he’s at his best. Yes, he’s had far too many turnovers. But to sit here and pretend like he’s never had any good games or never made any incredible plays in this league is just dishonest and wrong.
Give him another chance with a different Coach in his ear and another system to play in that is designed around maximizing his strengths.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:33 pm
he is not worth $20+ million.
he may be great, but he has regressed. he is another off-field “mistake” from a year suspension. he has had chances on the field and off the field. he makes poor decisions on and off the field. he attacked the saints player, pushed a coach trying to attack another player, physically inappropriate (attacks) an uber drive, an who knows what else. yes he is young, but there are many young quarterbacks and players not doing those things and don’t have his history.
when should they give up on him? never? he is not worth the money.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:38 pm
Thenorm yall don’t know football how many times did Jamies put this team in position to win ? I’ve never went to FSU I just know football and how a lot of people feel about black quarterbacks and the margin they have to make mistakes. Now when they put the numbers up about Jamies and others and some hall of Famers his numbers was better or the same. We need defense and more importantly defense and a running game . That’s what Jamies needs just like every other quarterback. When are they going to blame Andrew Luck for losing games ? They not and the only difference between Jamies and the other hall of fame quarterbacks is there skin color.
November 17th, 2018 at 7:50 pm
Winston still has a ton of ability and he can make some amazing plays with both his arm and feet.
If you can get a HC in here that says he can build the perfect offense around Winston that he will thrive in then it is a very easy decision to bring Winston in on a 1 year proove it deal. Meanwhile there is no law against bringing in another QB as a backup plan if Winston can’t get it.
And somebody said Winston don’t make anybody around him better I disagree. Both Brate and Humphries are near invisible when Winston is not QBing. Both are better players when Winston is under center IMO. Godwin too.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:12 pm
TheNorm
Careful, their next step is to call you a racist for not blindly supporting Winston! How dare you!
Oops I think Jameis just threw another interception from the parking lot in NY
November 17th, 2018 at 8:14 pm
Fitz, 0-4 in his last 4 starts.
Winston, 2-2 in his last 4 starts, and 3-1 with a decent kicker.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:24 pm
Jameis, 73 turnovers in his last 49 games
And 72 turnovers with a decent kicker
November 17th, 2018 at 8:28 pm
So who’s excited about the game tomorrow to watch the great Fitz?
November 17th, 2018 at 8:30 pm
Who here said Fitz was great you complete moron? Nobody
Both Fitz and Jameis suck. One just sucks less than the other.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:36 pm
Rod Munch those stats are irrevelant. Only because neither has a chance to be a winning QB under Dirk.
If you honestly believe either QB had a chance at winning the Carolina game then you either need your head checked or you missed the game. Same thing can be said about the Chicago or Steeler game.
Truth is we can only compete with the bottom tier teams of the league. W-L is basically irrevelant until we can compete in big and meaningful games.
It’s like going back to last year and touting up Fitz because of his W-L record. Looks good but the context was that he beat bottom tier teams (appreciated)………But you’re just a darn fool if you think Fitz makes a difference vs Carolina last year. He would have gotten waxed at home just like Winston did.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:41 pm
JimmyJack
I only disagree about the Steeler game. Completely winnable game had Fitz not thrown 3 picks. Same with the Cincinnati game had Jameis not thrown 4.
But turnovers don’t matter because Brett Favre!
November 17th, 2018 at 8:41 pm
Ndog I’m excited. I’m looking for us to start an epic run starting tomorrow……..I know that defys common sense and I expect to be disappointed again but I don’t care.
I’m tired of giving up on my excitement before every Halloween. Just gonna say screw it and pretend like we have a chance.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:43 pm
And I’ve already posted that if we get 3 straight and get to 6-6 I’ll drag my ass to the den of depression and I’ll buy all of you clueless idiots a beer.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:48 pm
Plank I hear ya. There may have been a way to win that game.
I just remember getting owned at the point of attack on both sides of the ball. Any QB is going to struggle under those conditions. That’s why I bring up Carolina a lot. The always dominate us up front on both sides. Carolina is my barometer team.
In the Steelers game our tackling was atrocious too. I just don’t see any QB winning with those odds stacked against them.
November 17th, 2018 at 8:55 pm
Who gives a sh it about Andrew luck?
I only care about the Bucs.
I don’t care one way or another about luck!!
November 17th, 2018 at 9:07 pm
don’t you love it when the franchise quarterback/face of the franchise brings the team/fanbase together?
November 17th, 2018 at 9:15 pm
For the first time in my life I have zero excitement about our games. Not that I don’t want to win or don’t care it just feels like we are on a road to nowhere. No present cause we suck, no future because we won’t play our possible future (real or not) QB. You see any long term fan of this franchise has been conditioned to be excited about the future and with no QB there is no future. Until Jameis plays again every game is a waste of all of our time. Not that I am a Jameis honk but because we aren’t going to win this year and again with no QB there is nothing to look forward to.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:23 pm
read some articles elsewhere. there are quarterbacks available through free agency, trade. or very few in the draft.
heck, marcus mariota might be available. wouldn’t that be a twist. tennessee needs to decide if mariota is worth the money too. he is fragile.
we are not the only franchise going through issues. the titans fanbase is divided on keeping mariota and paying him long term.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:25 pm
ps didn’t mean to imply not to read the articles here, joes. lol
just that there is a lot of information out there and this winston topic is popular.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:30 pm
Exactly Lurker all those teams are screwed just like us if we move on from Jameis.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:31 pm
If I’m a young quarterback coming out of college why would I want to play in Tampa? I think if they are smart enough they would do like Bo Jackson and Elie did . Cause if you’re team suck like no running game or a 32 rank defense this piss poor fan base will blame you for every lost . Cause they don’t know football. I’m tired of hearing franchise quarterback. You people on this site just believe everything they tell you about football. Nick Foles won a super bowl . They tell yall who’s good and yall believe them . If they hate a player then they will make up stuff to discredit them and blame them for every lost game even if they are on bad teams. But when they like them they make up excuses for them like Andrew Luck and Marcus Mariota. But they hate Jamies so that’s why last year they blame him for every lost even if he bring them back late in the 4th quarter and take the lead.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:34 pm
When you look at this roster whoever is coaching this team is going to want a legitimate QB.
We have so many weapons no HC is gonna wanna squander it with some leftover chump like Bridgewater or Tyrod……..If that is the plan we need to start protests against our owners because they just ruined another signings.
Not to dog those 2 pro QBs but they are not a match with this team. We got too many weapons for those guys.
If we are not staying with Winston then we need to make a huge move for a QB. Maybe a guy like Rotlisberger can be had or maybe we go with another top 5 guy in the draft.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:34 pm
whaaaat?
i am saying jameis is not worth the money. do not sign winston. his contract would be an anchor. we can get a less expensive quarterback that plays just as well as jameis.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:37 pm
Understand. 🙂
November 17th, 2018 at 9:38 pm
Either way we need a big time plan at QB.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:40 pm
Lurker. Could you please explain how a one-year $20mil QB contract is a anchor?
November 17th, 2018 at 9:42 pm
Lurker I guess I can kinda understand if you think Winston the player is a anchor.
November 17th, 2018 at 9:57 pm
1 year $20.9 million for a quarterback that the team doesn’t believe in? so we pick up his option to see what he has? we don’t have enough information? why delay the new quarterback search?
November 17th, 2018 at 10:02 pm
Lurker I have yet to hear that Winston’s teammates don’t believe in him. DeSean Jackson is a question mark in that Dept. One player doesn’t move the needle for me.
The big question is if our next HC will believe in Winston.
You could also say that the Glazers are sitting on the decision morso then the next coach. They can either hire somebody that will try to fix Winston or they can hire somebody with a different plan at QB.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:23 pm
by team, i should clarify, i meant administration…glazers, gm, coach
November 17th, 2018 at 10:24 pm
@Ndog: I know how you feel about “zero excitement about the game.”
But for a reason that has *zero* to do with who is QB.
I am depressed and embarrassed by the defense. I’m pretty much OK with the O regardless who is QB, although I do tire of Winston.
November 17th, 2018 at 10:50 pm
Everyone should go watch that Bengals game before they try and talk up winston. You got nothing the dude is a young Fitzpatrick. He cant put an arc on the ball to save his life.
November 17th, 2018 at 11:12 pm
Lurker I don’t see that. You might be right that Dirk and Licht have given up on Winston but their opinion don’t matter if they aren’t here next year.
The only opinion that really matters is the Glazers. If I were them and I wanted a new QB next year then I would deactivate Winston. Once/if they deactive him they have no monetary comittment to him anymore. They can literally put $20,000,000 into their payroll with one quick decision.
Not sure what the Glazers are thinking about QB next year but if they have no belief in Winston then I’d love to hear the logic behind keeping him active.
November 18th, 2018 at 12:45 am
deactivate? what do you mean?
he is not practice squad eligible. he is not injured. they can cut him, but why now? they can make him the emergency qb.
i do not think they want to diminish his value.
who knows what was said to koetter or licht. maybe both were told they are gone if they don’t win and koetter believes fitzpatrick gives him the best chance for now. maybe they were told not to play winston so they aren’t on the hook for the option year. the option year is fully guaranteed for injury. what kind of whole will they be in if he is injured, guaranteed $20.9 million, and still need a qb?
November 18th, 2018 at 3:30 am
This isn’t baseball, it’s the nfl. If you can’t hit a receiver who is beyond the defense then you’re not a good qb. If you’re behind the defense then you’re wide open and that should be 6 damn near every time. Nfl qbs have to be able to hit the deep ball, I don’t know why that’s so hard to comprehend
November 18th, 2018 at 6:46 am
The Winston fanbois never shut up. Grab a box of tissues or an uber driver but please shut your worthless pie holes.