Meeting Of The Minds
November 30th, 2018
Brainstorming.
Bucs Bit-O-Honey-snacking, Ozark-watching, yams-eating coach Dirk Koetter is not a satisfied man.
Despite a win last week where his defense held the 49ers to nine points, despite a game where his franchise quarterback looked every bit the part of a franchise quarterback, Koetter still has a thorn in his side over how that game transpired.
It demonstrated once again that both America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and wide receiver DeSean Jackson, for reasons unknown, struggle to get on the same radio frequency.
This has been a common theme between the two since the Bucs signed Jackson prior to the 2017 season. Jameis has no trouble with any other receivers but it is a mystery why Jameis and Jackson are so far off base.
So Koetter, in an effort to solve this riddle, had a sitdown with Jameis and Jackson where the three of them watched tape together to see if something can be solved.
“We had eight targets to DeSean last week and he had three catches,” Koetter said. “We had DeSean open five other times and we didn’t get the ball to him. We left a lot of yardage on the table.
“We went through the tape on the targets to DeSean where we missed him. You are trying to find common ground.”
Koetter detail about any resolution or anything new that came out of the brainstorming session between the three.
The Bucs may not have much of a prayer the rest of the season, but Koetter sure is trying to solve problems or cut off potential problems as if the Bucs were atop the NFC South.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:01 pm
screw djax!!!!!….
last thing we need is for winston to start forcing the ball to djax, telegraphing his throws to djax or imply that spreading the ball around is a bad thing…..
so what we missed him on a few throws….did dirk have a sit down with mike, adam, godwin and brate because im sure winston may have “missed some throws” to them too…..
fire this clown now!!!!
KRIS RICHARD 4 HC!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 30th, 2018 at 1:03 pm
thats some pretty ugly he said she said BS going on right there.
wonder if crabman wore his visor to the discussions.
djax is screwed cause he’s old and crabman is young
koetter is screwed because he let this happen
crabman just happy nobody is suing him today
November 30th, 2018 at 1:13 pm
Its really not that difficult.
Evans, Hump, Brate, Godwin, OJ, Barber and Jameis are all hard working guys that play extremely hard and are dedicated to winning.
Jackson is dedicated to himself.
They are not the same type of person and thus their personalities and play on the field clash. Just eliminate the one that is different and the problem is solved. Its a shame because he is very talented but this is who he is. Does anyone remember on Hard Knocks when we were in Jax and he was complaining that he wasn’t getting the ball enough. Folks that was in a TRAINING CAMP PRACTICE can you imagine how he is in the locker room and games. No thank you if you offer him up as a WR on a team I am quarterbacking, he just creates that me first attitude which you cannot win with consistently.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:21 pm
He’s a malcontent. Maybe he and Bell can go jet skiing this weekend.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:24 pm
Why would Jackson be on the team if he voiced his displeasure for being here? I am losing tons of respect for this team for keeping him here out of greed. Why is the media not talking about this? You are harping on the Winston nonsense and missing the actual story. We already know Winston is unable to throw deep with accuracy.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:26 pm
Cus d-jax is a minnie mouse little b!tch that only cares about money and stats. Always has been. Terrible for the locker room and was a dumb ass decision bringing him in when you know Jameis can’t connect deep, especially with a guy that’s 5’10”.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:32 pm
Is D-Jax guaranteed money? I don’t know how it works but don’t these guys go in and get a check every week? The organization doesn’t just deposit $30 mill in their bank account. Can we drop him now, save money, and start our young players for reps? Like I said, not sure exactly how it works.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:37 pm
There is no saving money. You use the loss as an opportunity to make things better. You cut the guy and make an example out of him. You publicly state that you cut him because he voiced his displeasure about being here. Licht should have a press conference saying this in order to start bringing respect back to the organization. Everyone sees how Jackson is clowning the team except Licht? What the hell are they doing? This is common sense.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:39 pm
@Joe
Koetter is like how Lovie loved Mike Jenkins lol.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:43 pm
Mesean needs to be Megone. Didn’t Koetter say after the Niner game that Winston took the for sure thing more? Well Koetter should know that Mesean is far from a for sure thing since his catch % is 56% and much lower on deep balls. IR please.
#IrrelevantReceiver
November 30th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
This is just directly tied to how Koetter views the game. He bemoaned the lack of explosive plays last weekend. This is why he loves, loves, loves DJax.
Consider this, he’s saying, Jameis, don’t turn the ball over, make the correct decisions but push the ball to DJax down the field and if it isn’t perfect, DJax, don’t worry about breaking up the pass. Run off the field early, publicly tweet with ATL fans… I got your back.
But Mike Evans, have a rough game, in the middle of a career season, I will publicly call you out.
This isn’t just a Winston thing. Chart the # of INTs that Fitz threw toward him.
This is a philosophy thing. DJax is Koetter’s guy. I put the ultimate decision on Licht tho. Licht has to realise, what the team priorities need to be. At that time he could’ve had a mid tier Guard and mid tier RB for the money he paid DJax, or a lock down corner.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
Rotate Godwin and J-Watz in the #2. Watson is 6’2″ can run a 4.42 with a 33.75 inch wing span and a 40-inch vertical. That sounds like a dream for Jameis to be able to connect deep.
November 30th, 2018 at 1:59 pm
Its easy, get a QB with accuracy on the deep ball
November 30th, 2018 at 2:10 pm
You guys saying screw Desean … learn how to watch footballs games dummy …. your blind azz would see jameis is inconsistent and he sucks … quit being a homer and a jameis lover .. open your eyes
November 30th, 2018 at 2:13 pm
@813bucboi let me stop you right there bucbrother…..Jameis can telegraph his throws to DJax all he wants because there isn’t a defender in the league that is capable of taking his eyes off of DJax to see where the throw is going and be able to keep up with him at the same time and get there in time to break up the pass or intercept it. If there is such a defender tell me now or shut thy pie hole forever.
November 30th, 2018 at 2:14 pm
He doesn’t just care about himself and money. We have a bunch of pretenders especially on the defense that only care about paycheck and not production so at least he’s angry he’s not putting up big numbers versus not caring because of the cash he makes. He’s still a whiny b!otch though
November 30th, 2018 at 2:29 pm
Don’t bash djax because of his frustration. He has NOT learned to quietly love losing like you low standard choirboy loving hypocrites
November 30th, 2018 at 2:44 pm
Well he’s out Sunday so who cares?
November 30th, 2018 at 2:46 pm
Not a djax fan but hes never had a problem with any other qb
November 30th, 2018 at 2:48 pm
Agree with Koetter ,he should be trying to get the most out of all his players.
That includes Jameis,’DJAX or anybody else. Jameis has hit Evans for one or two
wide open Go routes this year. That is an improvement and there is no good reason not to improve the DJAX -Jameis chemistry while he is here. If DJAX gets extra attention ,then somebody else should be open and quite possibly open up the run game.
November 30th, 2018 at 2:49 pm
I said last year that if I was the Glazers I would find out exactly whose bright idea it was to sign this chump for $10,000,000 per year. I would thusly 🔥 that person on the spot.
But no. That doesn’t happen. Instead we keep everybody and decide to retain the services of Jackson for another $10,000,000. Another wasted 10M and another chump season from Desean.
Now I sit here saying the same thing. Worst part being that Jackson openly spoke about wanting to get traded and some moron(probably the guy who wanted DJ to begin with) decides we should keep him rather the get a draft pick for him.
This team is totally dysfunctional.
goo bugs!!
November 30th, 2018 at 2:53 pm
Yes tmax…..Jackson is a big time winner. He has so much winning you can tell me about it all day.
Good player but he ain’t won jack shiiiit. You aren’t fooling anybody with your choirboy fantasys
November 30th, 2018 at 2:56 pm
Replace “We” with “Jameis” and you can see Koetter is throwing Jameis under the bus.
Who are Bucs going forward with next year? Koetter or Jameis?
November 30th, 2018 at 2:59 pm
Actually I take back the “good player”. We are on a Bucs website and I’ve seen what this dude has done in our uniform. He has been out played by a 2 rookies, 2 UDFAs, and a real #1 WR.
Jackson just a stiff. He can’t hack it in a real passing offense. All of Jackson’s success in the league is a direct reflexion of Lesean McCoy and Alf Morris(legit players) drawing up coverage and making life easy for DJ.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:06 pm
Even little Chuck Sims was a better weapon in this offense then D-Jax has been.
I guarantee Watson would be a better weapon. Heck, you compare Freddy Martino to Jackson and have a argument but I won’t go there.
Jackson is the worst receiver on this team. He should have been cut over Bernard. That would have been a solid football move.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
Koetter Should have kept his big mouth shut about this. Suddenly he’s not so good at avoiding questions and keeping things in house. Mr Secretive about everything now jumps at the opportunity to publicly put this clown of a receiver over and at the same time make America’s Quarterback look bad yet again. Maybe all the crying Jackson has done and with the loafing and taking bad angles on a lot of these missed throws Winston is possibly missing him on purpose now. F D-Jax
November 30th, 2018 at 3:11 pm
Mesean has played in 152 NFL games with a 56% catch percentage. He averages 55 catches a season and just under 4 catches a game. Because he hits a Home Run ball once in a while it makes it seem like he’s an efficient player which he is not. Any ball that is not layed in there like a pillow to Mesean is not going to be complete. There is absolutely no difference between a 50 yard YD catch and a 5 yard TD catch. Both are worth 6 points. Mr one trick pony is a cancer and should have been traded. Hopefully the new GM gets on board and gives Mesean his wish.
#IrrelevantReceiver
November 30th, 2018 at 3:13 pm
I dont know anymore.
Is Koetter just throwing Jameis under the bus, and gave up on him during that recent 3 game stretch?
Or is he just tough-loving Jameis to get better, and the recent 3 game benching was a move that will benefit Jameis for the rest of his career?
I dont know anymore.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:26 pm
@Tampa Bay Demons,
Tnew hit that nail on the head. This is about Koetter and his love fest with explosive plays.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:27 pm
It’s got nothing to do with winning or losing, it’s all about perception. Everyone agrees that DJAX and Mike are totally different receivers and a blind man can tell that Jameis prefers Mike. DJAX is a burner and much shorter than Mike. A smaller faster target is much harder to hit than a bigger slower one. Mike is right in James’s comfort zone while Jackson is about 3 strides and six inches out. Add pressure on Jameis to the equation and it is easy to determine why he overthrows a speedy receiver. No one is really to blame. Put DJAX in the slot. use him on reverses and screens and let him use his speed for YAC’s. Mike and Jameis are already on the same page. Send Godwin on the deep routs.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:29 pm
If you use your soapbox and say it enough, after awhile the idiots will think it’s true. Screw checking the facts. Seems all you have to do is pull a few strings and the puppets will mimic you verbatim. Just because the puppets are in a hurry to fire Koetter doesn’t mean he will lay down and quit coaching. Koetter is a consummate pro and will land back on his feet somewhere and probably be very successful. Jameis will have to learn a whole new system, and in a hurry. Next season looks bleak already.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:38 pm
While Jameis might not be the most accurate QB of all time, it seems interesting to me that he needs to meet with DJax. I wonder who could be the problem… I think I know.
November 30th, 2018 at 3:49 pm
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oh really….lol….
remember fitz last start….he threw 3 picks….and guess who he was telegraphing his throws to…..oh my, the speedy djax, who no DB in the league can keep up with….lol….
all 3 picks came when fitz targeted djax and telegraphed his throws…..
now go study football little grasshopper….lol….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 30th, 2018 at 3:54 pm
Hopefully Koetter tried to teach JW how to read the defense on certain plays – I think that’s one of his issues. He stays with his 1st read to long and by the time he tries to go to his 2nd read he’s too late. Last week, I think he was able to throw to his 1st read more than not – he then either dropped if off to a safety valve or ran it. So hopefully Koetter can help JW understand what to look for pre-snap so that he knows that his 2nd read will be open for a big play.
November 30th, 2018 at 4:37 pm
Cuz Winston sucks. He is no different than the Niners LB that got booked last weekend by the TPD. He will feel the steel around his wrists soon enough. Just a matter of time.
November 30th, 2018 at 4:37 pm
Cuz Winston sucks. He is no different than the Niners LB that got booked last weekend by the TPD. He will feel the steel around his wrists soon enough. Just a matter of time!!
November 30th, 2018 at 4:37 pm
Echo
November 30th, 2018 at 5:16 pm
Just throw the ball to Mike. I love that guy. He got a great attitude toward the game. Evans lplays every down with maximum effort. He is a player that is the standard here in Tampa.
GOO BUCS!!!!
November 30th, 2018 at 5:48 pm
If Winston can’t figure out how to get the ball to D-Jax while he is running wide open, then put in somebody that he can hit, like Godwin or even Martino
November 30th, 2018 at 5:50 pm
I believe it was myself and every other Bucs fan last year that wanted to see more DJax in the slot running posts and WR screens much like Hump does so well using his speed to get up field. I don’t think I’ve seen that once this year. The only DJax routes I have seen are 10-yard outs to the sideline with Koetter thinking he’s freakin Chris Godwin. He’ll make the catch, but never any YAC like Godwin can do.
November 30th, 2018 at 5:58 pm
I don’t see this like everyone else. I think the sitdown was a great idea. And many head coaches are too aloof to do this. I’ve criticized Koetter for his stubbornness–with Smith, the run, run (for less than three yards) and pray for our QB to save us approach to calling the first half of a game, for always running on second and short and sticking with players he knows that aren’t that good over younger, more talented, harder working players he doesn’t know–but this shows some willingness to get down in the ditch and work things out.
November 30th, 2018 at 6:19 pm
Djax is still a very good player but he don’t fit in here. He is more about himself and less about the team. I honestly think Jameis don’t like him lol. When you have players like Evans, Godwin, Brate, and Humphries that will do anything for the good of the team…who cares about a selfish player? Djax won’t even return kicks unless he happens to be in the mood. I much rather see Godwin and Humphries get the extra targets because they are die hard Bucs.
November 30th, 2018 at 6:20 pm
He should be brainstorming to make a second play to use in the red zone from the 20 since apparently he only has the one.
November 30th, 2018 at 6:23 pm
this is actually kinda scary…like a hairy canary – if you get my drift
the head coach / oc who has been running this offense for all this time has not sat down to go thru film issue with jameis and djax before this…
that’s so dang wild!…
these 3 should be dissecting film together on the regular…especially since dirk was oc for all this time and likes to be heavily involved with the offense…
what are they doing at one buc place?
November 30th, 2018 at 6:25 pm
more so…
dirk decides to do this the week djax isn’t gonna play…
isn’t that like calling time out when you have no time outs left?
November 30th, 2018 at 6:27 pm
sometimes the bucs just baffle me…
unless these articles are just presented to rile people up…
now joe wouldn’t be guilty of that, would he?
November 30th, 2018 at 6:36 pm
Why the HC insists on making this a public issue is beyond me…it reeks of immaturity and is unbecoming of an adult of his age and supposed leader of men. The fact of the matter is the QB played his best game in a very long time- and given that good news is so very hard to come by with this team, one would think THAT would be the message our dolt of a HC would choose to deliver vs. irrationally stroking DJax’s ego.
November 30th, 2018 at 6:46 pm
Throw the god d#mn ball to D-Jax!!!!
November 30th, 2018 at 7:11 pm
It certainly appears DK was throwing his QB under the bus for a WR that does not want to be here and isn’t even playing this week. Besides that, we played our best team game of the season, Jameis put up over 300 yards, and we won with little help from Desean. Coach seems to need a priority check.
November 30th, 2018 at 8:05 pm
Koetter will never miss a moment to dispatage his Franchise QB, what a D Bag
November 30th, 2018 at 8:06 pm
Disparage ^^
November 30th, 2018 at 8:23 pm
Well for one thing you can be sure you did not get the whole story. Someone trying to stir the pot asked a question. Koetter answered it. Now if Drew, Tom Or any of the top QBs was having a problem and couldn’t connect like this with one of their top receivers and their coach was asked and gave this answer you wouldn’t have a damn thing to say other than at least he is trying to get it fixed.
November 30th, 2018 at 10:21 pm
The media is ignoring the issue. Did the media ask Koetter why Jackson was still here if he doesn’t want to be here?
December 1st, 2018 at 2:53 am
I just feel that the deep ball is being focused on too much instead of finding the right play calling to get these two on track. Maybe more screen and double slants using Hump and some end around more creative play calling between these two is needed. Desean genuinely wants this to work in Tampa. Thru the week he loves to be here but after we lose or the game doesn’t come to him then he mad.
December 1st, 2018 at 5:27 am
SOEbuc and JimmyJack… DeSean Jackson’s was brought into Tampa on a $33,000,000 three year contract with $20,000,000 guaranteed… That would indicate a eleven million dollar a year contract, and the 20 million guaranteed will cover this season. If we part with D Jax after this season we save the final year of another eleven million dollars…. Great way to resign Justin Evans and Adam Humphries and extending their contracts for 3 years right now is a good idea to save dollars. Also, D Jax has a thumb injury, he will not dress this weekend against the Panthers and I read one article that indicated the Bucs could put D Jax on IR for the remainder of this 2018 season. Considering his guaranteed money in his contract, it makes no difference at this point.
December 1st, 2018 at 8:40 am
Knoxville,
Here’s listed as out in the injury report. Why would koetter need to keep quiet? Do you ever listen to his radio show? I’m guessing not because if something isn’t out yet publicly he says repeatedly, I can’t give that away for competitive reasons.
December 1st, 2018 at 10:37 am
This picture looks like a DUI mugshot.