Dungy Stunned By Outcome
November 14th, 2018
Bewildered.
A man who knows a thing or two about putrid Bucs offensive results weighed in on the embarrassing Tampa Bay offense against the Redskins.
When Father Dungy coached the Bucs, there were times when scoring three points was an accomplishment; his offense was so stuck in the prehistoric ages. So it really raised Joe’s eyebrow reading Father Dungy scold the Bucs for getting only one field goal on the scoreboard against the Redskins last weekend.
The Saints has 509 yards and scored 51 points. The Bucs had 501 yards and scored 3 points. How does that happen??? Seems impossible to me that you could go up and down the field that many times and end up with one FG.
— Tony Dungy (@TonyDungy) November 12, 2018
Not only is this damning on face value for Bucs Bit-O-Honey-snacking, Ozark-watching coach Dirk Koetter that an offensive mind like Dungy (sarcasm alert) would admonish the Bucs, but it reminds Joe of training camp.
Dungy was honored at One Buc Palace in August to commemorate his placement into the Bucs’ Ring of Honor coming in September. Dungy spoke to the entire team and the Bucs shared video of him telling them there was no reason why they couldn’t be a playoff team with the talent they had on the roster.
This came a year after Koetter, as seen on “Hard Knocks” on HBO, told player the Bucs had the most talented squad since he arrived in Tampa in 2015.
So why have the Bucs regressed in each of the past two seasons?
November 14th, 2018 at 11:02 am
Tony Dungy, Bucs GM
November 14th, 2018 at 11:05 am
Easy, poor coaching. Coaches who don’t know how to light a fire under their asses
November 14th, 2018 at 11:07 am
the bucs have regressed because the coaching staff cant develop players…..simple as that…..when players that you drafted are only slightly better than their rookie year but are entering year 3 or 4, thats a problem that falls on coaching…..
cant develop players….cant win in the NFL….
Kris Richard 4 HC!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 14th, 2018 at 11:13 am
THE PLAYERS STOP BUYING IN TO THE SYSTEM, THAT WHY GMC NEEDS TO GO WITH A FEW OTHERS …… GMC RUBS OFF ON OTHER PLAYERS…….
November 14th, 2018 at 11:16 am
awful game management. Unnecessary risks.. get some damned points
November 14th, 2018 at 11:18 am
Best play-calling day, ever…at least according to some 😉
November 14th, 2018 at 11:18 am
I’m not surprised , we had fitz playing qb. The 36 year old turn over machine whose allergic to first downs so he runs the other way.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:18 am
Players are so close in skill between the teams that the difference is in the fundamentals. Good teams play fundamentally sound football. We don’t, which means the coaches don’t practice the fundamentals enough. Fundamentals are the key to winning. This is why the turnover battle is so important in deciding games. It’s all about doing the little things better than your opponent.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:19 am
If we’re quoting Dungy…..let’s not forget Dungy said he would pick Mariota over Winston because his character concerns were too much to write off to immaturity. Fast forward to yr 4 for Winston and he’s been suspended and now sits the bench. #NailedIt
November 14th, 2018 at 11:20 am
I wish he would shut it!
him talking about teams lacking in offense is laughable.
he would be on the lovie smith level of hire.
no thanx
November 14th, 2018 at 11:21 am
didn’t mariotta just beat the pats?
November 14th, 2018 at 11:21 am
at this point we need what chucky is doing
November 14th, 2018 at 11:22 am
Bad coaching and apparently, terrible scouting. HC and GM, there’s your issue.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:37 am
It all goes back to the horrible GM. So many mistakes starting with JW.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:39 am
@Robert, he only had one losing season in his entire NFL coaching career and that would be his first year of being an NFL coach for the Bucs. He isn’t even close to a Lovie type hire……..Pretty sure he knows what he is talking about. Yes his offenses were mediocre in Tampa, but he won games!
Who wouldn’t settle for a winning record, imagining having 5 years of a winning record out of 6? that’s what he did after turning around the worst franchise at the time.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:40 am
Ive lost faith in this entire organization. I have no fight left in me either. Yes Dirk needs to of been fired last season and im sure he will be fired after this season. But Im pretty positive the next guy wont be much better unless the Glazers do something drastically different which I dont see happening.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:44 am
I’m surprised Dungy didn’t say “The Bucs just weren’t in sync” since that was his standard, lame excuse when he was HC of the Bucs.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:46 am
No way Dungy would bench Jameies.
Nor would any sane head coach.
But I would remind Dungy that his defense was bend non’t break and force the other team to go the length of the field without error, which they could never do. Not that they allowed 500 yards worth though.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:48 am
Lame right up to six points from the super bowl and shutting down the greatest show on earth.
compare that to the Raheem/Schiano/Lovie/Koetter era.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:55 am
@evolv
Dungy had great success, no doubt. He also walked into the colts who had a terrible D and did nothing. they still had a tuurible D. He rode Manning IMO.
The D in tampa was insane, but they were cover 2. period. They NEVER could compete with teams like the colts who OWNED them when Dungy was coach. He was a pioneer of the cover 2 I would say. He also had SICK players in that defense.
I just haven’t seen anything from him in 20 years, and I think the players on the D made him versus the other way around. Kind of like how JW lovers give him all credit and no blame.
I think he’s over the hill and wouldn’t/couldn’t rebuild in this offensive geared nfl.
November 14th, 2018 at 11:57 am
Over the course of his tenure here, Tony’s offenses averaged almost exactly the same ppg as the offensive mastermind Jon Gruden, over his tenure. Maybe even a half a point more… check it.
November 14th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
Robert
How was this team doing when Tony got here? A lot of the players on D were already here. Tony made it happen not the other way around
November 14th, 2018 at 12:09 pm
jmark
I did not follow the bucs until they dropped the orange uniforms, so I do NOT have the whole picture.
I know they sucked, so I did not follow.
November 14th, 2018 at 12:11 pm
One lame a$$$ coach to another. I really don’t give a F what Tony says. He was just as bad.
November 14th, 2018 at 12:14 pm
Robert
Well that explains a lot
November 14th, 2018 at 12:16 pm
Ray
Seriously
No one in their right mind would use lame ass coach and Dungy in the same sentence
November 14th, 2018 at 12:17 pm
Joe cannot go there. Evans, Godwin, Brate, Howard, Marpet. Those guys all improved with or under Koetter.
Now on defense that’s a whole different story but Joe has beaten that horse to death. 🙂
November 14th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
Listening to Dungy talk about offense is like listening to Oprah talk about weight loss.
November 14th, 2018 at 12:28 pm
Dirk’s not mature enough to get involved with the defense or special teams, which is why he never takes responsibility for them. He is as childish of a coach as Jameis is a player
November 14th, 2018 at 12:43 pm
The coach is soft, practices are soft, and the players are soft. Enough said.
November 14th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
God awful defense..
Not much of a running game
Not all on winston…just saying
November 14th, 2018 at 12:48 pm
well joe i disagree…..
evans and brate still struggle with inconsistency….marpet had a bad year last year and he’s having another bad year this year…..godwin is about the same as last year…..benenoch still looks like a rookie…..d.smith is still inconsistent…..OJ was a beast last year and looks like he’s continuing on an upward trend……
but thats my whole point…..an HC cant just develop “his” side of the ball because he’s responsible for developing the entire team…..the entire team has to get better each year…..
with this staff, they all regress offensively and defensively because this staff cant develop players…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 14th, 2018 at 12:59 pm
When Tony arrived we had not had a winning season in fifteen years.
Anybody who doesn’t think Dungy was hugely responsible for the turnaround just doesn’t know buccaneer football.
But don’t take my word for it. Ask Brooks, Sapp, Lynch, Barber, etc etc etc.
But you yahoos like people like Rah and Schiano and the current idiot I guess.
What a sorry excuse for a fan base.
November 14th, 2018 at 1:11 pm
Tony Dungy for team president. Not coach. Not GM. TEAM PRESIDENT.
Or else, the Glazers can keep hiring and firing the GMs and the head coaches.
Put a steady hand on the wheel!
Tony Dungy for team president of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
November 14th, 2018 at 1:40 pm
@BrianBuc
“Listening to Dungy talk about offense is like listening to Oprah talk about weight loss”
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Over the course of his tenure here, Tony’s offenses averaged almost exactly the same ppg as the offensive mastermind Jon Gruden, over his tenure. Maybe even a half a point more… check it.
November 14th, 2018 at 1:58 pm
@Jmarkbuc, exaclty……..I agree about Dungy for Team president, not a coach, too much time involved in that position for him. I was just giving his examples of a winning coach and how to turn a franchise around, and that’s exactly what he did.
November 14th, 2018 at 2:01 pm
@Eric…. yup!! lol
November 14th, 2018 at 2:07 pm
Wow! People sure do hate a lot. I’ve never been a NFL Coach, nor will I ever be, but even someone as ignorant as myself is wondering how it is possible to run up 500+ yrds of offense and still come away with only 3 points? Doesn’t matter who said it, it’s a TRUE statement!! If Leeman Bennett had said it, it would still be TRUE! 500+ yrds of offense and 3 lousy points?! They went the entire length of the field 5 times. You’d think they could accidentally get at least 6. Putrid. Barf inducing. Of all things I thought were bad about this team, I did not believe this offense was capable of producing this dumpster fire. We have one of the most solid WR Corps in the NFL and nothing. At home no less. Unreal.
November 14th, 2018 at 2:08 pm
I’m with ya Evolving (and Eric) !
People who disparage what Dungy did here have no idea how bad it was and what he accomplished.
It was worse before TD than it is now….
Agreed on President, don’t need him to be HC, need him in the building guiding the big picture, (and helping to shape the coaching staff)
November 14th, 2018 at 2:22 pm
The sheep won’t want to hear the truth, But for the same reasons dungy was wrong about the evaluation of the bucs roster is the same reason he would fail as president/gm of any nfl team!!!!!!!!! Those that thought that this roster was playoff bound and full of talent instead of a roster that has been slightly improved over the 2014 roster!!!!!!!! Its fully how much of a pass the old tampa2 guys get around here no matter how wrong they are!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 14th, 2018 at 2:24 pm
Realist
Tony was being polite…..
You don’t walk into a room full of players the week of your ROH ceremony and say YOU SUCK, especially when you’re not employed by the team
November 14th, 2018 at 2:30 pm
realist
shut up and pull your skirt down!!!!!!!!!!!
this team has enough talent to win at least 10games and make a run at the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!……
smitty was incompetent and shown the door and dirk will follow sooner than later!!!!!!!!!!
the question is, will you give him your employee discount at U-HAUL?!!!!!!!!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 14th, 2018 at 2:43 pm
Not that Lovie was anything special but the way Dirk’s hiring came about spelled doom from the beginning. Didn’t Lovie have a huge hand in hiring GM Licht just to be stabbed in the back. This is a Glazer-cial mess.
November 14th, 2018 at 2:54 pm
“Seems impossible to me that you could go up and down the field that many times and end up with one FG.”
C’mon Tony…love ya but the answer is simple…it’s called Buc’s football and includes heavy doses of mental failure and choking.
Take a team down the field like a hot knife through butter only to throw an int at the goal line. And of course when the Bucs make a bad pass that sails…it ALWAYS seems to come down to an opposing player…so add in some Buc luck as well.
Then drop a pass in the endzone to wipe out at least six points…drop a ball just outside goal line and waste yet another opportunity…then a defender makes a play and knocks the ball out of Jack’s hand and where does it end up rolling…where a defender could stop our drive.
Do we wish to add missed kicks…a horrible snap from center…a fundamental….
We’re choking like dogs right now. And we have NO luck…although I concede that might be a part of our choking as well….we just play like losers and so guess what? Play like losers and you end up losing. This is not really that complicated.
November 14th, 2018 at 3:07 pm
The only argument for rushing the Lovie firing was that Dirk was going to get a job as a head coach somewhere else, and IF that was true, then I actually agreed with the move, and said the exact same thing at the time. But the issue was there wasn’t anyone else in football that wants Dirk as a head coach because he’s an emo d-bag who shouldn’t be a head coach of anything. Other teams know this which is why he was already in his mid-50s, with a long track record of success as an OC, yet never had an NFL HC job. The Glazers got sucked in by the lynch mob who made them think Dirk was a hot head coaching candidate, and if memory serves right Dirk got only one other interview, with SF, one he apparently bombed badly since he wasn’t considered a legit candidate for that job.
The team would be in an entirely didn’t place right now had Dirk just stuck to calling the offense and working with Jameis instead of being handed a job that was clearly overwhelming to him. Since that has occured there’s been no real OC, the game is being called by a guy who isn’t spending 24/7 on the offense, instead you have a guy who can’t handle the pressure just winging it from the sideline. The Bucs have so much offensive talent they can overcome Dirk just running it up the middle on every 1st and 10 for no gain, but Dirk clearly can not commit as much time to the offense as it needs while at the same time worried that Monken will show him up, which is what happened in weeks 1 and 2, before Dirk grabbed power back from Monken after the team was having too much success – because who cares if you’re 2-0, if you’re not running the ball up the gut on 1st and 10 into 8 in the box, then you’re not good enough for Dirk.
November 14th, 2018 at 3:08 pm
You KNOW you suck when Tony Freeking Dungy Mr. End Zone??? What the hell is an End Zone??? Starts to make fun of how few points you score! Damn we are in trouble!
November 14th, 2018 at 3:12 pm
For Dungy to publicly speak out against someone like this, well, it’s uncommon. If the team had any sense they’d do everything in their power to try to get Dungy back involved into the team this offseason in some capacity. Obviously head coach would be where you want him, but I doubt he’d ever coach again, and he’s really not a GM type of guy, but just some sort of legit team adviser, perhaps where he plays the role of the owners and the Glazers sideline themselves, maybe that’s the way to do things. I’m not sure for family reasons that Dungy would want to be involved again with a team when he has his TV job, but if I was the Glazers, who badly need to reconnect the team with the fan base, I’d do what I could to get Dungy involved.
Then again if the long game is to kill the interest in the team so they can eventually move to London in, say, 5-8 years from now, then just keep Dirk around, dump your franchise QB, go 5-11 or 6-10 each year, and then you can show the NFL that Tampa isn’t an NFL market, so the Bucs have to leave to survive.
November 14th, 2018 at 3:35 pm
I’ve always been on the G. McCoy bandwagon and I’m not condemning him now however, at this point he’s been embedded in a culture of losing for so long that I think they need to clean house of every coach and player that has been here 4 years or longer and start over. Any free agent coming here would have to be from an NFL program of winning .500+ to even be considered. Most of our off/def starters have a less than .500 win prcntg during their NFL careers. During their NFL careers Jameis and Fitz individually have a .390 win prcntg both got to go! I know I’m reaching but that’s what desperate fans do.
November 14th, 2018 at 3:45 pm
How many bad coaches can the organization possibly hire in a row?
November 14th, 2018 at 3:51 pm
JAmes Walker
How long you been around?
November 14th, 2018 at 4:00 pm
I’m tired of Tony Dungy.
The guy was full of lame “we just weren’t in sync” excuses during his tenure in Tampa Bay.
He inherited stellar players on D in Tampa and stellar players on O in Indy. He never built s#!t from the bottom up.
The last guy who should give advice for an offense is Tony Dungy. But being a talking head with no accountability makes him an expert.
November 14th, 2018 at 4:04 pm
They should contemplate burning the place down and getting the insurance money.
Its a disaster area.
Complete total irredeemable disaster.
November 14th, 2018 at 4:16 pm
The Glazers would be smart to hire Dungy in some capacity with the Bucs. I hear some say he is soft and conservative. But don’t let his demeanor fool you. He knows football..and players. I can remember teams actually fearing to play his defenses. Many visiting left the old sombrero on crutches and limps. Say what you like about him. But our defenses under this guy played hard, fast and took no prisoners!!
November 14th, 2018 at 4:24 pm
I started closely following the Bucs around 1997-8
November 14th, 2018 at 4:28 pm
Never should have gotten rid of Gregory “Toes on the line” Schiano.
A man who had no quit ever in him. Like the time he instructed the defense to gang rush Eli Manning on a kneel down………….oh yeah.
Also, Schiano’s fake punt against Arizona (Ball carrier Dashon Goldson) was SUCCESSFUL. Unlike Dork’s.
November 14th, 2018 at 4:41 pm
Good one Joe, thanks. Looking forward to one on GM Licht too, if you can ever find out which rock he’s hiding under.
November 14th, 2018 at 5:18 pm
Tony Dungy for Team President? Count me in!
November 14th, 2018 at 5:56 pm
Let’s get out of obscurity.
Glazers should speak with Harbaughs agent, and see if Dungy as team President and a fat contract would bring him to Tampa Bay. Then hire Scot Mccloughan for GM or to lead the scouting department and go all in with Harbaughs system.
Dungy does NOT like Jameis though. I doubt he’d want him to stay. I think Jameis can be rehabilitated and completely thrive under Harbaugh.
Just like Goff and Mcvay. Coaching changes everything.
November 14th, 2018 at 6:27 pm
JMark
Agree with your observations about Tony. And you are correct it was far worse when Tony took over than it is now.
Tony was first in under the new ownership. Nobody really knew Malcolm yet but we all knew that the Bucs were the very worst franchise since their inception. Johnny Carson used to riff on the Bucs a lot. LOL
There was only ONE tradition…LOSING and being a community embarrassment. NOBODY believed this sorry franchise could get to a SB before Tony. He gave us hope. And as one of my idols…Stephen King wrote in Shawshank Redemption.
“ANDY: Remember Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.” I so want to believe Andy right now…because hope in our fanbase is on life support…yet as he points out…it’s a good think and no good thing ever dies.
It’s one thing to change a team by adding talent…perhaps changing schemes or coaching staffs…it’s another to change an entire culture!!! There are plenty of football minds as good as Tony…guys who can coach as well…but not many are capable of making a culture change as radical as TD did for us.
That is exactly what we need right now. A complete culture change. This is why I agree with those calling for Tony to be the President of Football operations. He wouldn’t be installing the O or D…he’d certainly have a voice in the draft but his MAIN responsibility would be to CHANGE THE CULTURE!!!!
November 14th, 2018 at 6:54 pm
Remember back in the day when John Lynch said if they lost a game 3-0, Dungy would have been all over the defense for allowing a field goal.
November 14th, 2018 at 7:00 pm
Dungy coached defense before the NFL went kinder and gentler. Different world.
He had headhunters on his past defenses that couldn’t play in today’s NFL.
Look no further than John Lynch and Bob Sanders.
November 14th, 2018 at 9:48 pm
@cobraboy
Actually Tony’s favorite line was “We just have to play better” and he wasn’t wrong. Football is a relatively simple game.
Don’t really remember “we were out of sync”
Methinks that is some revisionist History
November 14th, 2018 at 10:45 pm
LOL! You have to be a real miserable F to have an issue with Tony Dungy. Do the world a favor Cobraboy and do the honorable thing…
November 15th, 2018 at 12:51 am
You know? Ever since we started this ring of honor we’ve been nothing but trash. When does it end? Almost all of our ring of honor games are us getting blown out or catching up and our seasons suck. Maybe we put this 15 year or so tradition on the back burner for a while? Thoughts?
November 15th, 2018 at 1:08 am
Yeah make Dungy either team president or GM & maybe consider somebody like Ronde as defensive coordinator.
November 15th, 2018 at 4:00 am
Ah yes Tony Dungy, the guy whose career with the bucs was defined by Not Getting It Done, but we put him in the ring of honour anyhow
It’s the Bucs loser mentality in a nutshell. No one should listen to anything Dungy says about football.
It took literally one of the greatest QBs ever to step on a field before Dungy was able to win anything.
November 15th, 2018 at 4:41 am
JMark,
We weren’t in sync, we were out of sync, Dungy said that quite a bit. It’s not revisionist history.
It was what you expected to hear after a loss and Coach Dungy delivered.
The line that usually followed was, we didn’t play buccaneer football today.
November 15th, 2018 at 8:04 am
Joe can hear that right now. “We just weren’t in sync.” Ugh.
November 15th, 2018 at 10:44 am
Dungy took over a loosing culture with the Bucs and had a loosing record for just half a year. The second half of the same year they won seven straight ball games and kept that winning culture going. He made the most of the players he was given by the Buc’s GM. They had a good OL and an excellent RB and a great FB. But the QB and the receivers were not great. So he installed a mostly running Offense that was able to grind out first downs without turning over the football to rest their defense who stifled the opponent’s and got enough turnovers for the Bucs to win. I guarantee you Dungy could turn around the losing culture here in less than six months. Paired with an excellent GM to get the remaining players we need Dungy could finally win a Super Bowl for us like he did with the Colts which had a great QB and receiving corps. Here we have three excellent QBs and a better receiving corps already so it would just be a matter of firing Warhop, hiring an excellent OL Coach and drafting a first round LT and put the right players in the right positions and developing capable backups for the Offense and use other draft picks and Free Agents to fill some holes on Defense. It starts with hiring Dungy as HC to change the culture.
November 15th, 2018 at 10:58 am
D1 and Joe
Apparently we were more in sync than not…..
And it sure beats “we were horrific..and it all starts with me” ala Dork