Dave Moore Points To Attitude & Discipline Troubles
November 6th, 2018
Fifteen NFL seasons and a Pro Bowl appearance give ex-Bucs tight end Dave Moore a lot of street cred.
He stays plugged into all things Bucs via his longtime gig as the Xs-and-Os-guru analyst on the Buccaneers Radio Network, where he’s all business when it comes to football. No fluff there.
On WDAE-AM 620 this morning, Moore was asked about various Bucs issues as the team has lost 5-of-6 games and has put embarrassing stuff on film.
Moore pointed to a lack of discipline, highlighted by the overall inconsistency in the team’s play.
“They gotta get some push on that offensive line,” Moore said. “I mean they had a 2-and-1 in the third or fourth series of the game, and they went 2nd down and 3rd down and lost yards because the offensive line couldn’t run for one yard. I mean that’s that something you take pride in as an offense. It’s an attitude thing. It’s a coming off the football, sense of urgency.
“And they haven’t been able to really do that at all this year. And the protection’s been pretty solid for the most part, but it’s got to be consistent and disciplined and on defense it’s the same thing. When they play well, they can play with anybody. When they’re off, it’s not fun to watch.”
Joe went back to the All-22 film to look at that early 2nd-and-1 play Moore referenced. Donovan Smith was blown up on the play by Kawann Short, who tackled Jacquizz Rodgers for a loss.
On the subsequent 3rd-and-2, Ryan Fitzpatrick was hurried and hit hard when Ryan Jensen was beaten by defensive tackle Vernon Butler.
November 6th, 2018 at 10:37 am
This team lacks discipline and mental toughness and I blame the coaching staff for it.
November 6th, 2018 at 10:42 am
Bucfanbf
Nope. Players are “choosing to suck” – Monken
November 6th, 2018 at 10:44 am
Tired of Benenock and donovan Smith……No pride, no passion no energy……I hope D Smith doesn’t get his check
November 6th, 2018 at 10:45 am
Why have we been sold Koetter being a good coach for years from this website?
November 6th, 2018 at 10:46 am
george warhop, a guy who got 3 more years of job security because logan mankins is a bad mofo
November 6th, 2018 at 10:47 am
also at this point, i think both kyle shanahan and steve sarkisian have gotten more out of matt ryan than koetter did
November 6th, 2018 at 10:51 am
Were the “Goons” correct?
November 6th, 2018 at 10:52 am
Discipline is attitude. Starts at the head coach.
November 6th, 2018 at 10:53 am
Season is Over.. Might want to go listen to Joe’s podcast. He all but says Koetter is gone (and Joe if you said this, sorry). He does say assemble a team to find the next coach now.
November 6th, 2018 at 10:57 am
Yes, Tnew. Anyone can change their mind on a whim. I’m talking about the years of indoctrination of pushing Koetter being a good coach. Who is going to take responsibility for that? The real attack is bashing everything in sight to defend Mr. Magoo.
November 6th, 2018 at 10:58 am
Benenoch would not have been an opening day starter for any other team in the league. Donovan, “I can’t play right tackle”, Smith is way too inconsistent to play on a QB’s blind side. Want to know why Buc QB’s fumble (Fitz does too), look at the surprise backside whiffs. Too bad Chris Simms isn’t here, then it would be ok to have Smith on the left side.
November 6th, 2018 at 10:58 am
Licht has to go. You can’t spend all this $$ and invest all this sh1t into the defense to see it be the worst in NFL history. You’ve been here for years dude. The D has been horrible for years. No improvement. No sign of any plan. Terrible defensive drafting for years.
Sure the offense has somewhat of a hope for the future; but even there you didn’t do that great with O-lineman. You basically have one 3rd round steal in Godwin; and some decent undrafted pickups in Humphries and Brate. Howard/Evans were premium picks they are supposed to be good…
At no point has it appeared we had any sort of cohesive plan defensively between Licht and Lovie or Licht and Smitty/Koetter.
The offense throws up a bunch of yard stats in blowout losses cool. But we can’t run the ball which is what the top scoring offenses do (Chiefs/Saints/Rams/etc). The fact that we consistently can’t get 1-2 yards on a run = coaching IMO. The line isn’t THAT bad. The scheme is confusing.
The fact that Koetter basically stays hands off with the D = how the f*ck do you bring him back.
BLOW IT UP F*CK
November 6th, 2018 at 11:01 am
And Schiano was to much of a hard a$$? So in other words no matterwhich way players don’t want to listen?
November 6th, 2018 at 11:05 am
Season, Agree but some never change their point of view. I got into it with Joe when Koetter said “the defense always dictates where the ball goes on offense”
Why does it take a half to adjust??? Have to wait to see what the defense is doing so you know where to go with the ball.
November 6th, 2018 at 11:12 am
Same article EVERY YEAR about no discipline , no effort and screwed up locker room. Yes, coaching has a lot to do with it but the buffoon GM has selected these losers for 5 years now. Glazers are clueless which means they have to depend on other clueless individuals (HC and GM) to create this excrement. Why not get a no nonsense football operations guy NOW and start looking for a new GM and HC. In the meantime, go with all the younger players and get rid of the players that have shown year after year how to lose.
November 6th, 2018 at 11:16 am
I would kill for new ownership, new management and new head coaching. Just sick and tired of being sick and tired. Year in, year out. Same crap. The Glazers must be some cool and calm mofos, cause even if I owned a portion of this worthless team, I would be losing my mind and somebodies would be losing their jobs. Like how much worse can an organization be? If it wasn’t for all of the dysfunction going on in Cleveland, we would be Cleveland. Ughhhhhh……go ‘Bucs.
November 6th, 2018 at 11:37 am
Have been telling Joe, ever since Ali Marpet got paid, Donovan Smith’s play has gone down
November 6th, 2018 at 11:44 am
Not sure about Donovan Smith’s regression (he makes a lot of good plays, too.) but Ali’s not having his best season.
November 6th, 2018 at 11:48 am
well k.short and v.butler are both former 1st round picks that have been coached very well…..
2 things we haven’t done well over the years…draft well and develop our players…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 6th, 2018 at 11:56 am
BucfanBF — I agree it does start with the coaching. BUT how long are we going to give our players a pass for? How many coaching staffs? If we release Koetter and Licht I say we blow the whole darn thing up. Total reboot.
November 6th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
The players have given up on themselves…nothing to do with coaching
Modern day “Pays the same” win or lose mentality…the locker room is leaderless
I don’t know how they can look themselves in the eye…..don’t expect anything different this season, it’s going to take a MRSA cleaning of the locker room
November 6th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
after dirk and licht are shown the door, these players must follow:
GMC
LVD
gholston
Grimes
Dotson
Rodgers
urein
spence
e.smith
benencoch
conte
djax
those are all the dead weight players……let rookie and PS players fight for a roster spot…..no more sense of entitlement
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 6th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
813bucboi Agree with your list exception of LVD. Might add Taylor, Bond & Winston.
November 6th, 2018 at 12:44 pm
on board with 813bucboi totally agree add Jameis Winston to that if we can get a decent pick
November 6th, 2018 at 12:45 pm
Face it…With this defense, EVERY game is going to look like a dumpster fire. It just makes sense, long term to play infamous Jameis. This season is toast. Even the 3 stooges that own this team know that when you get to $ 20,000,000, it’s real money. After the season, it’s either trade him or play him. Need to focus on both lines and secondary for 2019. Oh, and find a GM and coach that that is not soft and keeps the players attention. ..and not soft.
November 6th, 2018 at 12:49 pm
I agree with 813bucboi’s list, but Unrein has not played a snap all season (Must be on the Sweezy pay plan) and Gholston has been the only bright spot next to JPP.
Everyone else on that list, agree.
Starting to wonder if Donovan wants out of Tampa, maybe try his hand at Free Agency, go to a team of his preference. Could explain his lackluster effort.
November 6th, 2018 at 1:04 pm
where are we gonna get a left tackle better than Donovan Smith that is not old and not injury prone and cheap what we need is a mobile quarterback who gets the ball out quik also Benenock sucks worse, every game the dude is a turnstile and penalty magnet
November 6th, 2018 at 1:26 pm
Who would have thought we’d miss Conte this much? If we can eke out wins against these next two teams, we might be able to turn it around defensively when he returns on week 12.
November 6th, 2018 at 1:48 pm
“Kobe Faker is always correct with his player evaluations…
Justin Evans doesnt belong in a NFL game ….
The Bust cant tackle and will never be able to tackle.
This Benny Hill defense will continue with him as the last defender”
Kobe Faker
November 6th, 2018 at 1:49 pm
“Chris Conte hid alot of Justin Evans sins”
Kobe Faker
November 6th, 2018 at 2:26 pm
813 bucboi … Not a bad list, as far as it goes. Unfortunately it only represents about one-third of the players who need to be shown the door. Almost all the ones you picked are starters (and several are either on IR or aren’t under contract for next year anyways). But look at some others who are REAL dead-weight (ask yourself why they’re NOT starting on this crap team and/or if you want to offer them a long-term contract after this year’s performance):
o RoJo (RB)
o Cappa (OL)
o Kwon (jury’s still out IMO)
o Allen (DT)
o Joe Dirt (LB)
o Catanzaro (K)
o Elliott (CB)
o Harris (CB)
o Adams (S)
o Isaiah Johnson (S)
o Liedtke (OL)
o Nunez-Roches (DT)
o Ryan Smith (CB)
o Cichy (LB)
o Bailey (WR)
o Fleming (DB)
o Stevie T (DT)
o Williams (CB)
That’s 17 MORE (in addition to your 12). And you didn’t list several that others have already written off (Jameis & Donovan Smith among them … and I’d personally be tempted to include several others like Stewart AND Davis in that crowd after what I saw Sunday). So roughly we need to get rid of probably 30-35 players out of 53 … between HALF & TWO-THIRDS of the team. That’s kinda humorous when you think about it (in a very macabre sort of way) … largely because not only do we suck today, but tomorrow (and next year) aren’t looking that good either. What Licht has done to this franchise goes far beyond incompetence & mismanagement.
November 6th, 2018 at 2:37 pm
Not every ex-player is good at analysis. But I usually learn something new every time I listen to Moore. He is very good at his job IMO.
And it really pisses me off to hear Moore hit the nail on the head and bring up a huge problem that this offense had before Dirk hot here and has gone utterly unaddressed.
Short yardage. When you need 1 yard you can throw all these weapons and all the play-calling out the window.
You watch a few non Buc football games and just let me know who’s winning the short yardage plays……Guaranteed it is the teams that are perennial winners…….Steelers, Patriots, Hawks
Whose are the teams losing short yardage plays? Perennial losers…..Browns, Lions, Bucs.
Take the number#1 offense and stuff it up your rear. This offense can’t even get one yard.
November 6th, 2018 at 2:43 pm
Just go back through Dirk’s tenure and look at all our short yardage plays……..If you could change the results of those plays and just get us to 50% it would make a huge difference. A massive difference.
Just like the play a one that Moore described. If you could magically change the result of that 2nd and 1 it could have easily changed the entire complextion of the game……..Doubtful we win since we couldn’t tackle……..another problem Dirk hasn’t fixed.
November 6th, 2018 at 2:54 pm
Defense Rules…..Don’t be so quick to throw all these players off the ship………A new regime(if any good) could make a difference in a lot of those players……Just like the many players we have released before that found success elsewhere.
My perfect example is Benechot. And us the guy looks awful. But one of the Bucs post game hosts said he looked like a fish out of water because he was. RT in college.
Maybe all he needs is to be moved to his natural position………Hey you don’t ask a slugger to bunt and you don’t ask a contact hitter to swing for the fences.
On the surface I’d like to say how do I know any better then Dirk……but then I look at how they had Marpet out of position and I look at how Phampile was played out of position(I hear he was a starting tackle this year) and I can’t help but think they are, again, playing somebody out of position.
November 6th, 2018 at 3:23 pm
JimmyJack … Good points all. Still, i can’t stop asking myself “If this team is so bad, why aren’t these backups at least sniffing the starting lineup?” But in reality a bunch of them on the list HAVE been playing this year, and playing poorly. Part of that is probably inexperience (the proverbial ‘learning curve’) and I’m sure that part of it is mediocre coaching. And yes, some of them MAY be playing out of position (although that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’ll become world-beaters if coaches move them to where they prefer to play, as opposed to where the coaches need them to play).
This who comedy-drama reminds me of a Laurel & Hardy routine. Remember Oliver Hardy when he used to say to Stan Laurel “Here’s another nice mess you’ve gotten me into.” That’s probably what Dirk Koetter keeps saying about Jason Licht.
November 6th, 2018 at 3:38 pm
Maybe a new stadium will help.
November 6th, 2018 at 3:49 pm
I forgot Stevie T. was still a Buc. And yes, why is he not starting?
November 6th, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Don’t need Moore to tell me o-line is our biggest priority. I watch rotating door Benenoch, overated Donovan Smith, and old man river Demar Dotson getting run through every Sunday, also. Clean house with big money players to pay for a top vet RG and get a RT in the first round.
November 6th, 2018 at 4:54 pm
@Jimmy Jack
Benenoch played a lot of RT last year and he was not good. Maybe not as bad as he is at guard this year but it was ugly. Makes me puke watching him get ran over or just leaving holes wide open every Sunday. If anything we can see what Cappa can do with a year in the NFL under his belt next year and let them battle it out for #2 and #3 at both RG and RT. If Cappa can do some serious workout on his game this offseason, maybe he will become the “Big Bouncer” we had high hopes for. Would be sweet.
November 6th, 2018 at 4:56 pm
tom
LVD rides in the same boat as GMC….neither one of them are leaders….neither one could care less about winning….he must go too…..but I have no problem with taylor and bond walking the plank…..Winston, im still on the fence…..
ghost
I think your right about d.smith….no doubt he wants out of tampa but is it because he hates losing or because marpet got paid before him….either way I would have no problem if we let him walk….and as he left I’d tell him he’s a guard not a tackle…..
DR
you’re right about your list…..and its a shame what has happened…..I like players with heart and that’ll work hard so from your list I’d think twice about cutting joe dirt, Elliott and liedtke…..those players are cut from the same cloth adam Humphries…..they may lack talent but they’ll give you all they have and will never quit…..they’ll never feel entitled to something…..
but I’d rather have a team full of mentally tough rookies and UDFA’s that never quit vs a team full of talented mentally weak vets……
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 6th, 2018 at 5:06 pm
If I am the GM I would load next year’s roster with Bama’ and Clemson guys. Bring players with championship pedigree that don’t know what losing often feels like. I know it’s a generalization but really you load in 25% of a roster from championship schools and you change the culture.
I feel like Sapp, Brooks, Dunn all had that vibe, swag whatever it was they expected to win. I can’t recall a time that any player quit on Tony Dungy.
Even when we started so badly, his players wanted to play hard and win.
They punished people.
I would rather be a .500 team and have that culture now than what we have. Coach has quit, players have quit and I will now have to wait until we are once again mathematically eliminated from payoff contention.
UGH
Pistol
November 6th, 2018 at 5:17 pm
@Defense Rules
Think you’re going a bit over board with the top three. Rojo and Cappa are rookies that still need time to see what they can develop into and Kwon was playing great before he got injured. If anything that’s just going to lower his contract cost.
@813 buc boi
LVD was MVP of 2017 defense (it means something cus there’s a bunch of other guys) and has been healthy and in his prime. He’s second best to JPP on this defense and he’s playing next to two #2 LBs. Guarantee if he goes to any defense better than the Bucs (32nd), he will be lights out.
November 6th, 2018 at 5:54 pm
SOE that’s a good point. I forgot he did get in there a RT.
Either way I still got a problem with the way Dirk uses his Oline. The team he inherited was a top 5 rushing team. His offense ruined that. We have been in the bottom 90% since he took over.
Our rush attack has not gotten so bad that we are now abbondoning the rush as our game plan.
Dirk did get our pass attack going but given the choice I’ll take the balanced offense he inherited vs the one dimensional offense we have now.
You have to ba able to win in more then just one way in this league…..I may be pretty dumb but that is something I know.
November 6th, 2018 at 6:47 pm
I realize I’m the only one on this site you thinks Jacquizz Rodgers should start and play almost every down on offense. However, how come when the chips are down or Bucs have backs against the wall Koetter puts him in there. He plays as hard as anyone! He can block, receive, and run better than most of you think. Go West Coast offense, lots of shotgun and pass first. That will set up draws and screens for RB. And when you’re down 3 TDs, Barber off-tackle on 1st down won’t get it done. Play calling is awful! And whole defense is worse than awful. Passing game should set up the run, like old 49ers team. That means your alignment looks like pass EVERY play! Then draw or screen pass to Rodgers. Or just keep him in to block. The Defense is so bad, the running game will never be utilized ideally, because Bucs will be playing from behind. No downhill running for this team.
November 6th, 2018 at 7:06 pm
Lol… Jaquizz couldn’t make any other team & the fact that he returns kicks is even a bigger laugher.. Marpet is a RG put him back there. Smith & Dot gotta go they suck too.. Zero HEART on this team. Get rid of Kwon, David, Mc Ice Cream, Grimes.. Trade JPP just bc he has value and We are NO Where near winning, It Will be years of not over a decade before we win. Just like everyone says with Fitz 14 year career and we know what we got. Well all BuCS fans who have watched this $h..t for 42 years knows better. 5 good seasons that’s it…
November 6th, 2018 at 9:11 pm
I think that all on this team want to win, biggest problem is there’s not enough of them that hate to lose, including the front office and coaching staff
November 6th, 2018 at 10:28 pm
@SOEbuc … “Think you’re going a bit over board with the top three.” Au contraire … coaches aren’t being hard enough on them. RoJo & Cappa are 2nd & 3rd rnd picks who couldn’t even crack the 53-man roster on a team that’s hurting at RB & OLine. That’s what I’d call ‘wasted picks’. And no, Kwon WASN’T playing great before he got hurt. In that particular game he was doing OK, but as a MLB he hurt us much more than he helped us. Now in LVD’s spot outside I might think differently (would like to see him operate there first). Personally would keep Beckwith & EITHER LVD OR Kwon (the cheaper of the two). Lynch & Taylor are adequate as backup LBs & S/Ters but not starters. Folks need to start facing the fact that this team is very untalented.
November 7th, 2018 at 9:40 am
Quizz “couldn’t make any other team” — and then ran for 100 yards on MNF, and then over 130 the next week, and then on his way to a 3rd straight 100 yard game against the Raiders but got hurt. And Koetter hasn’t given him the rock consistently since then. That 15 yard run on 3rd and 15 last week that he made — NO other back on Bucs could’ve made that run. See how he finished it? He’s 5’6 and wouldn’t go down until the line. You can’t perform without the ball. 3 or 4 touches a game means nothing. We’ve seen Barber’s peak. He doesn’t have it.
November 7th, 2018 at 11:50 am
Blowing up the OL we had when Licht came in and keeping Warhop were two bad decisions that have hurt us dearly ever since. We should have kept our Center and our LT who both played well for other teams. We should right now be playing Liedtke at LG and moving D. Smith to RG to see if he could have value for us as a Guard. Then we could move Marpet back to LG where he once played like an All Pro. Fire Warhop now and bring back All Pro Logan Mankins to develop Cappa and try his hand with Benenoch. Remember Warhop could not develop Omameh and the NY Giants did and he is a starting Guard for them now. Then next year all you would need is to add a first round LT and play Cappa or Liedtke at RT and you would have a good OL. Pick up Pagano as your DC, a hard running back to compete with Barber and a Quality GM to get better defensive players Pagano wants. Keep Fritz another year and give Jameis a try behind a good OL with a good running game to see what you have or to groom him to trade for a high draft pick to get a QB in 2020’s draft. Would beat a total turnover with all new Coaches!
November 7th, 2018 at 1:17 pm
Yep Jon say it again if Quizz was cut NO ONE would pick him up… he was on the streets w 0 interest when we picked him up 2 years ago beacuae we had injuries. It wasn’t a comparison to Barber who I do think is better than Quizz. Not questioning his heart or how he plays bc he does give every ounce of effort. What I am saying is he has no business being our 1st or 2nd RB & that’s on Licht… & your right w out touches hard for anyone to get a rhythm including Barber & when your down by 21 or more in the first half no one will get the needed carries. Don’t understand why we ever run play action pass bc you have to run successfully for any D to respect the play action. Ie… JW 2nd pic in Bengals game no one fell for that play action.. obviously bad decision by JW he needed to just take the sack..we need to clean house