Brett Favre Talks Jameis Winston
November 1st, 2018
The ol’ gunslinger, Brett Favre, talked about the Buccaneers’ benched gunslinger this week.
And Favre made a couple of very clear points.
The first was don’t dare compare young Brett Favre to young Jameis Winston.
Favre was talking about a football comparison, during the insightful chatter on SiriusXM NFL Radio.
The legendary QB explained that when he threw 24 interceptions as a 24-year-old quarterback, it was largely because he was very raw and ignorant about the game. Whereas, today, Favre said, young QBs like Jameis enter the NFL with a tremendous amount of experience, from youth football to running elaborate offenses in college.
“You know, you almost have to be from a different planet to not have done a 7-on-7 camp at some point in high school, between high school and the transition to college. So my point is when you get to the pros, you’re very well conditioned in gun, spread, decision-making as far as five receivers, six receivers, protections and things like that,” Favre said.
“Some guys are a little more savvy than others, but you’ve been exposed to it where I wasn’t. We ran an eye-formation offense in college. The passing was spring-outs — sprint-right, sprint left, curl, flat, typical stuff like that. So I had a strong arm, but I didn’t know the ins and outs. I would think that Jameis is way more conditioned in that regard than I was.”
For those wondering, Favre, as a 25-year-old, broke out in a big way. Through four seasons, 25 through 28 years old, he tossed 145 touchdowns to 56 interceptions.
Favre went on in his chat about Jameis to emphasize that a quarterback must know his limitations — and a coaching staff has to know them, too.
“From a coach’s standpoint, if it’s not getting through to the guy, then you have to call plays or bench the guy,” Favre said. But if you call plays, that really your protecting the quarterback from himself, if that makes sense. So call plays where he’s not going to subjected to a certain amount of decision-making that is going to go awry. And so you call plays that you know, maybe your playbook is condensed down considerably, then so be it, or you go in a different direction, which is what [the Buccaneers] have chosen to do.”
As for Jameis’ future, Favre said it’s extremely difficult to coach interceptions out of a player. Jameis has proven he has the ability, Favre said, but it’s clear he’s not the right guy today for Tampa Bay.
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November 1st, 2018 at 5:16 am
Tua 2020
November 1st, 2018 at 5:49 am
Limit the complexity of plays to what the QB can handle, or they
turn it over because they can’t execute !.
Expert opinion on JayMiss and sounds spot on, not franchise QB
material. For all you guys predicting JW will flourish somewhere
like NE, BB will have him out inside 2 months, cut and run.
November 1st, 2018 at 5:55 am
Well, there you have it, right from the horses mouth. Can we quit with this silly comparison now?
November 1st, 2018 at 6:05 am
This one is on Licht he was a turn over machine at FSU and is a bigger machine in the pro’s, maybe just maybe if we had a defense like we had when Sapp and brooks were around we could withstand him be so generous. He probably gave out a lot at Halloween
November 1st, 2018 at 6:06 am
Time to take out the trash. No more excuses for Jamiss
November 1st, 2018 at 6:11 am
I am very hopeful that sitting on the bench watching will help Jameis……you’ve got to know it’s killing him inside…..
November 1st, 2018 at 6:17 am
I would like to see Tua play for Miami, FSU or UF and see how he does without being on the most stacked college football team in the land.
November 1st, 2018 at 6:26 am
Sounds familiar
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November 1st, 2018 at 6:38 am
Maybe they can become the Navy of the NFL and switch to the triple-option to cut down on Jameis’ propensity for interceptions….lol
November 1st, 2018 at 6:53 am
In 2015 koetter did condense the playbook ,Jameis had less of the field to survey and he had some success. He was also aided by Evans, VJAX, and ASJ
being big targets to throw at. Just like in pitching where the catcher frames a target, Jameis was aided by these tall receivers presenting a target for Jameis.
IMO Koetter’s attempts to open up the offense have been handcuffed by his
turnovers , some badly thrown balls and miscues by other players. This year they have tried to limit some of the deep throws and go to more of short and intermediate passing game with Jameis.
He has not responded well and turnovers have come at an alarming rate.
Alex Smith might be the best game manager in the league. IMO it requires
error free football from all 11 players. The reality is that teams move from
the game managers and look for explosive players and QB’s that can take advantage of their skillsets. In his fourth year, Jameis has hit a wall. There is too much offensive talent on this team for the coaching staff to condense the field any longer.
November 1st, 2018 at 6:57 am
@Brett Favre … “a quarterback must know his limitations — and a coaching staff has to know them, too.”
Wow Joe … that was the best interview I’ve read in a long long time. He’s spot on too about Jameis AND this coaching staff. Unfortunately, NEITHER seems to have a clue how to ‘fix this’ at this point. And that’s unfortunate, because we have so much already invested in Jameis Winston as our QB of the future.
November 1st, 2018 at 7:04 am
Dilly Dilly Brett Swear to God I hope he goes to another team and wins A ring Just as Doug williams Trent Dilfer and Steve Young Steve You have smeared His face in the turf for the last 6 months All for clicks for your advertisers. He’s done n tampa give it a rest
November 1st, 2018 at 7:05 am
If things go south this month, lets see what RYAN GRIFFIN brings in DECEMBER.
It might be a savings of 20 MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!
Then for 2019 acquire maybe RB and DC but definitely CBs and Benenoch’s replacement.
Go Bucs!!!
BTW some of you have not notice the NFL is all about high powered offenses now a days. WE HAVE THE NO.1 OFFENSE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!
November 1st, 2018 at 7:06 am
Sure didn’t sound like a ringing endorsement
November 1st, 2018 at 7:10 am
@Bob in Valrico … “In his fourth year, Jameis has hit a wall. There is too much offensive talent on this team for the coaching staff to condense the field any longer.”
Great analysis & excellent bottom line Bob. Bucs offense is built to take advantage of explosive passing plays, but our QB has to be able to deliver the goods for that to work effectively. Jameis’ inaccuracy is what’s killing him right now (have also seen far too many times where his high, off-target throws were getting his receivers killed also).
There have been THREE constants through this whole evolution: Jameis himself of course, his QB coach Mike Bajakian, AND his OC/HC Dirk Koetter. Something in that relationship obviously isn’t working. It MIGHT be all on Jameis as many have speculated, OR maybe it’s one (or both) of the others in that relationship. Glazer Boyz need to figure it out … and fast.
November 1st, 2018 at 7:12 am
Good read.
Coaches can’t be afraid to call plays and throw downfield. Make him be charley check down
November 1st, 2018 at 7:28 am
Interceptions happen even to the best QB’s but it’s how they are happening to Winston that need to be considered. Most plays by our offense there is someone open and even the most inexperienced fan can see it on the field. Winston for some reason is not seeing it and I’m sure it’s frustrating to the coaches as well as the players. The play where Humphreys is wide open on the 5 yard line and Winston throws it into double coverage in the end zone is a perfect example. It’s not just one play it’s dozens of times throwing it into triple coverage while WR’s are waving their arms with no one within 15 yards of them.
November 1st, 2018 at 7:29 am
I hope Jameis wins many Super Bowls… ON A DIFFERENT TEAM!!!!
November 1st, 2018 at 7:36 am
Any further comparisons between Farve and Jay Miss are ridiculous. Per Farve, the America’s Turnover Machine moniker for Jay Miss is richly deserved.
November 1st, 2018 at 7:38 am
If the coach condensed the playbook down to plays to sort of protect Jameis how long do you think it would take opposing defensive coordinators to notice and put together a scheme that would nullify against a predictable game plan? The simpler offense might work one game, maybe two, but after that defenses will be dialed in. It’s even more difficult to simplify todays game without developing a predictable pattern. That would be counter productive, and would fool no-one.
November 1st, 2018 at 7:40 am
Wasn’t Tua a part of Dilfer’s training academy?
November 1st, 2018 at 7:41 am
Why?!
November 1st, 2018 at 7:44 am
Joe-Thanks for not referring to Winston as “America’s quarterback”, at least this one article lol. The Human ATM (America’s turnover machine), Jameis Winston, should not be compared to Favre. Favre won, big difference. Go Bucs!
November 1st, 2018 at 7:56 am
A lot could be done to help Winston still, yes he does make bad decisions and gives the ball up too often but here’s an honest look at what we still don’t have.
Running game – We consider a running back with 89 total yards a good game. (like our run game could make any team worried, Still throwing the ball way too much because of it, increasing the turnover risk.)
Defense – that still can’t stops drives when we need them too, each loss we’ve had besides one game was by one score, Besides JPP, no one is even close to playing at a top level. ( if they make one extra stop on a crucial drive we win 3 out of those 4 losses.)
Turn over margin – We don’t even come close to winning turn over battles. (1 INT. in 7 games!!!)
Offensive Line – is too inconsistent from game to game, either pass blocking or sub-par run blocking
Kicker – do i even need to say anything?
Like Koetter said if we can get all phases working the whole game nobody can stop us.
This whole team, not just Winston, is getting in it’s own way. Would love to see a 5 game stretch of them finally getting it and playing like every game is a playoff game.
Not defending Jameis, He needs work, but so does this whole team right now.
November 1st, 2018 at 7:57 am
I’m pretty sure they were saying the same thing about Josh Freeman. He’s going to win with the Vikings, he’ll win Super Bowls, he’s won with the Bucs. Everyone blamed the coaching, the talent on the team, even saying the QB coach sucked. You know sometimes it turns out you’re really just trying to polish a turd. Might be too early to tell with Winston. There is something to be said about failing the simple eye test though.
November 1st, 2018 at 7:57 am
I can only imagine what a QB like Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning could do with an offense that we have here in Tampa. We wouldn’t need much defense with those two guys at the helm. Damn, this really sucks big time!!
November 1st, 2018 at 8:01 am
@defense
Agree that accuracy is an issue . And Bajakian’s experience before coming here and becoming QB coach here is a little puzzling.
But its also troubling , that Jameis does not run the play called and takes a sack that forcing a 59 yard goal field goal to win a game. That decision could have easily cost us the game. This savior complex has to be exorcised from Jameis.
Discipline is necessary IMO, and I am concerned that Licht might be an issue as
one article suggested the front office was not on board with this benching.
November 1st, 2018 at 8:05 am
it’s almost like so called fans wanted JW3 to fail…. not surprised especially the closet racists fans
November 1st, 2018 at 8:12 am
Trenchwar,
Not long at all.
The condensed playbook is a little different than most think. It’s not only a reduced number of plays , some less flexible offenses yes. But most offenses are extremely flexible, which is why Grudens play calls are so long, So to simplify it’s a reduced number of route adjustments to a single player and side(some teams have all receivers running routes that the end route isn’t determined until 2-3 seconds into the play) elimination of tagged routes, significantly less formations which make it easier for a QB’s to see the defense but it’s a big help to the defense knowing formations will be simplified for the QB, and shifting reads from the 2nd level to the third and just a single side or player.
I see The offense and really marvel at how creative DK has been in making it easier for Winston. Maybe not enough. Hard to continue the high football IQ idea if there’s much more simplified plays. Teaching it is usually the great gap between player, coach and scheme.
That’s how you condense a playbook. And yeah It is a pre game advantage for the defense because they have significantly less to study and what they do study becomes way way more detailed oriented.
November 1st, 2018 at 8:17 am
damn. Mr Favre might as well have said he’s garbage.
now ask him how he really feels lol.
Crabman will play again in TB
November 1st, 2018 at 8:17 am
Deminion, I hate everyone that plays like crap equally! I’ve met Winston several times and he’s a great dude. What frustrates Bucs fans is the fact we’ve been terrible for so long and now they’ve invested years into a potential franchise QB just to have him play like that last Sunday.
November 1st, 2018 at 8:23 am
we just might wind up with eli “the statue” manning and fitzie here next year…with jameis watching st. elseewhere
November 1st, 2018 at 8:25 am
I already see some fans are clamoring for the back up (Ryan Griffin). Jameis will be back in a big way. If not with the Bucs, someone else
November 1st, 2018 at 8:40 am
Anonymous … It isn’t really on anyone… Mariota stinks also.. It isn’t like there is a clear cut QB better out of this draft. We needed a QB Licht took what many thought was the best of the two. We had Glennon on the roster how is he doing in the NFL? Licht tried and failed big deal.. You guys act like GM’s dont miss on picks it is ridiculous. Winston at the time was still the right pick. We had no real other options.
November 1st, 2018 at 8:45 am
Ok, butt one thing that Brett had, that Jameis does not,are very good coaches and a front office,we have neither…….Bucs for Life!!!
November 1st, 2018 at 8:47 am
Here’s why you don’t compare Winston’s numbers to Marino’s Manning’s and Farve.
Winston plays in an era where the rules are friendly to receivers and offenses that DBs can’t have as much contact where as Favre Marino and manning in his earlier days dealt with tighter coverages and windows as the DB holding and interference rules weren’t as tight.
November 1st, 2018 at 8:54 am
I’ve been saying Ryan Griffin since camp. I thought he should’ve started over Fitz. If he sucks, bench him for Fitz. I’m not “clamoring” for him – it just makes sense that if you have another young QB, see if he can play.
Favre’s point is valid though. It’s hard to remember how simple the passing game was in the 80s. I read a story that Favre was in his 3rd year as a pro before a coach realized he didn’t know a LB from a Safety and just knew “they have 11 guys.”
November 1st, 2018 at 8:56 am
@Bob … “Discipline is necessary IMO, and I am concerned that Licht might be an issue as one article suggested the front office was not on board with this benching.” Wow Bob, didn’t read that article but I have trouble believing that Koetter would bench the franchise QB without ‘the brass’ being on-board. Licht’s ‘star’ is just as tied to Jameis as Koetter’s is … if Jameis ‘fails’ & the Bucs’ ship sinks, they BOTH sink with it IMO (unless of course FitzMagic vanquishes our opponents the rest of the way this season).
@EvolvingBucsFan … “This whole team, not just Winston, is getting in it’s own way. Would love to see a 5 game stretch of them finally getting it and playing like every game is a playoff game. Not defending Jameis, He needs work, but so does this whole team right now.”
Totally agree with your conclusion Evolving, but it’s gonna take more than a 5-game streak IMO to convince the Glazer Boyz to stick with the current leadership status quo. This team has been incredibly inconsistent, in many more ways than just one (QB play, running game, kicking game, OLine, defense … it just goes on & on). It sounds simplistic I know, but consistent winners WIN CONSISTENTLY (the don’t just play well in streaks). IMO it all comes down to having a well-built organization from top to bottom. The Bucs have a LONG ways to go to become consistent winners.
November 1st, 2018 at 8:57 am
Ouch! That hurt but wtf does Brett Farve know? Lmao jk
November 1st, 2018 at 9:08 am
IT’S NOT THE COACHING!!!!
Jimbo Fisher is one of the top college coaches in the land. He ran a largely pro offense and it was LOADED with NFL talent and NFL SPEED!!!
What kind of speed and talent do we think Favre practiced with at Southern Miss. And I agree with D.R….this was one of the best interviews Joe has ever posted. I had never thought about the fact that Jameis and virtually every other young star QB had worked since high school with PROFESSIONAL NFL coaches and players early on. Add that with Jimbo’s experience and more than THREE YEARS OF NFL EXPERIENCE…is what lead Favre to his conclusion.
“Favre said it’s extremely difficult to coach interceptions out of a player. Jameis has proven he has the ability, Favre said, but it’s clear he’s not the right guy today for Tampa Bay.”
Since I got in sooo much trouble yesterday LMAO let me point out those quotes are not because I’m quoting Favre but because I am posting Joe’s line not mine.
November 1st, 2018 at 9:16 am
brett’s right……its on Winston and the coaches…..
but dirk was promoted because of his work with Winston…..if dirk still doesn’t know what Winston can and cant do, then he must go…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
November 1st, 2018 at 9:20 am
stpete
jimbo coached jamarcus Russell, christain ponder, ej manuel and jameis Winston…..
just fyi
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
November 1st, 2018 at 9:28 am
I really wanted JW to succeed – especially here in Tampa. If he cant do it here, it is unlikely he will do it elsewhere. We have one of the most elite receiving cores in the league period. Mike Evans is almost solely responsible for JWs stats. I didn’t realize it until I saw RF throwing to the same receivers. JW does NOT throw well placed balls. RF (when he is hot) throws well placed balls. Look at it this way, Mike Evans made Johnny Football into a star at A&M. No Mike Evans = Johnny football (Marginal CFL player)
November 1st, 2018 at 9:31 am
This team and organization had done everything possible to be concentrated on the success of JW, through the draft and free agency for four years now.Who thinks different should check better the facts.
They did it for JW and mostly for themselves. Even people that did not believe on JW, like Koetter, went all IN to save themselves and make JW shine.
By doing this they even damaged the ONLY good tradition we had, DEFENSE.
So no short memory should complain UNFAIRNESS to JW.
They were wrong big time to invest so heavily on JW. Lets hope for they sake, this time they do the right football decision: depart from not good QB and character, JW .
November 1st, 2018 at 9:35 am
cw_buc_crazy…..they’ve been wrong ‘big time” about a lot players in the past 15 years buddy. What’s your point. Some of them they let go and won rings with other teams.
#FreeJameisFromTampa
November 1st, 2018 at 9:36 am
@Defense Rules, thanks and I agree, my whole take was we are inconsistent, the whole team not just Jameis. The 5 game streak is just what i would like to see (wishful thinking) not that it would happen, even a 3 or 4 game streak of putting together games might be the confidence booster this team needs, we have seen glimpses of how they can play good football, just not enough, i hope they can figure it out. Would it be enough to save this regime? you never know, i certainly don’t but i do know if we stay on this current path it will be a solid NO.
November 1st, 2018 at 9:36 am
Deminion Says– This has nothing to do with race. Us white folk like Evans, OJ Howard, JPP, etc. Winston sucks.
November 1st, 2018 at 9:57 am
“Why are the Buc Sheep so dense?
It just happened and happening now
It happened with Bust rookie Goff and now with Mcvay, Goff is an MVP candidate
whats so hard to understand
You actually think Goff would have clicked and succeeded without Mcvay?”
Kobe Fake
November 1st, 2018 at 10:04 am
Put me down with the “what does Brett Farve know?” crowd.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:07 am
Buc1987 – Which QB they let go become a starter in other team, or help to win a SP , hell most of them quit football all together.
This will happen to JW as well, the only chance he have to be a starter is here, he never will be a starter in other team, forget wining a SB.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:09 am
Favre is full of spit. Guy threw like 30 ints in his 15th year in the league lol
November 1st, 2018 at 10:15 am
Brett had several great points
1. In todays day and age, these young QBs are exposed to so much to get them ready for complex offenses.
2. You might have to condense your playbook to protect the QB from himself
November 1st, 2018 at 10:19 am
813
Yes I am aware that his QB’s are not NFL stars…there are a few who played but none who were stars.
You can google however and see that he has an excellent reputation for developing COLLEGE QB’s. I do not trust a QB’s college rep when he comes from a football factory..title contender like FSU…or Ohio State…or Alabama!!! Tua does not excite me for that reason. They are all playing on teams that are loaded with talent in very non competitive game for most of their season. There are NO free pass games in the NFL.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:35 am
So far there is no reason to compare JW to Favre. Brett was alway a much more accurate passer. I would not start measuring JW for a HOF gold jacket anytime soon. Favre played in a different era, where defense was allowed to hit QB’s and receivers. It was much harder to get passing stats then. It is expected now.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:48 am
The truth of the matter is Warhop sucks and has sucked the whole time he has been here. He brought with him from the Browns the two worst OL I have ever seen and both were complete busts. If Koetter had pushed to fire him from the first we would hopefully have gotten a competent OL Coach who could have developed lower draft picks into great OL, and would have put the right players in the right positions. Jensen was a 6th round draft pick who was developed into the Center he is today by a competent OL Coach. Dotson was an undrafted college basketball player who a prior Very Competent Buc’s OL Coach developed into our best OL player according to PFF. If the Bucs has a highly successful OL now, Peyton Barber would be a Star with a 5.0 yards per carry average and we would be able to protect our QB to give him time to pick out open receivers and really make Koetter’s long ball offense really work and Jameis likely would have an acceptable turnover ratio and a very different win rate. But he will have to go to a better team to revive his career and get his confidence back and get his head straight. That is the way I see it. It is too bad Koetter didn’t pick the right DC to begin with and have canned Warhop long ago and could have avoided having his neck on the line now. SAD!
November 1st, 2018 at 10:49 am
Rob,
Don’t dismiss Favre had a vastly superior arm than Jameis. He took chances but more than a few were based on his ability to make passes other QB stats would consider risky.
Jameis doesn’t have the Rodgers, Allen, Mahomes ability to throw rockets from any angle.
I believe He thinks He does but there’s nothing to back it up. So Jameis making the exact same throws as all of the above is increasing His risk whereas those guys , risk stays the same.
November 1st, 2018 at 10:52 am
@D1
“Jameis doesn’t have the Rodgers, Allen, Mahomes ability to throw rockets from any angle.”
BINGO
November 1st, 2018 at 11:35 am
Joe is this the first article about Jamesis you did not use “America’s Quarterback?”
November 1st, 2018 at 11:41 am
Its gonna be quite funny when Jameis leave the Bucs and Wins a superbowl for somebody else. Bucs train him and others reap the rewards. Echo’s of Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer and Steve Young still haunt the Bucs. Buc Fans trashed then when they played here. They all went on to Win superbowls. As have countless other Buc rejects. But..no worries guys. After all..Its a Buc Life baby!!!!!!!
November 1st, 2018 at 12:02 pm
MikeJohnson
That line is old. Bucs haven’t trained JW. Can’t coach the uncoachable.
The odds of JW winning a super bowl? Slim and none, and slim’s leaving town.
But if a miracle were to happen, good for him. God is good, right?
November 1st, 2018 at 12:11 pm
@ defense rules
Its in the archives under Front Office Divided. I think its just one page back.
November 1st, 2018 at 12:23 pm
Truth of the matter is quit trying to make excuses for him and blaming everbody else. He is throwing INT’s in the Red Zone. He is throwing the directly to the defender in a different jersey while looking right at them. The coaches do not throw the ball. Jameis does. He makes great throws then makes the mistakes and stupid plays . Trying to force the ball or not looking the field over but locking on to one receiver. The coach does NOT fumble the snap or handle the ball.
November 1st, 2018 at 12:27 pm
Too many people are pointing out that three (3) former Bucs QBs left this team and won Super Bowls with other teams. That is true. Doug Williams with the Redskins, Steve Young with the 49ers, and Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. The important piece of information that is always overlooked is the fact that these three QBs didn’t become starters for their new teams immediately.
Doug Williams played in the USFL for the Outlaws, but that league didn’t last. Also, they were 14-22 while he was there. Then he was Jay Shroeder’s backup in Washington. After a couple of starts due to injury and a QB controversy where the veterans preferred Williams over Shroeder, Doug destroyed the Broncos in Super Bowl XXII. Mark Rypien became the starter after that, following poor play and injuries on Doug’s part.
Steve Young had to wait behind Joe Montana, and even after Montana left for the Chiefs, it wasn’t until 1994 that he was able to win a Super Bowl as the starter.
Trent Dilfer didn’t start for the Ravens until Tony Banks absolutely stunk it up. 2 back to back losses and 4 games without an offensive touchdown put Dilfer in as QB. Irony moment…Dilfer lost that next game and the Ravens still didn’t score an offensive touchdown until the Next game. After winning the Super Bowl and being described as a “Game Manager” who didn’t make mistakes, he became the 1st Super Bowl winning QB not to be resigned by his team.
Let’s be clear, these QBs didn’t instantly go to another team from Tampa Bay and became Super Bowl heroes. Each one had to pay their dues behind another QB and then had to rely on injury or poor play to get a chance to win. Remember, the Buccaneer teams they left were usually awful offensively, and any team they went to would be an improvement for them. If Jameis were to leave the Buccaneers, there isn’t any guarantee that he would land on a playoff caliber team destined to win the Super Bowl. Most likely, he’d land on a subpar team that desperately needs a QB with some experience, has a patchwork offensive line, and a low-quality defense. In other words, he might wind up on a team just like the one he’d be leaving, or even worse.
November 1st, 2018 at 12:30 pm
I get a kick out off the delusional Jameis fans here. When he magically wins a Super Bowl for someone else. Just what exactly do you see in his play that leads you to believe that he will?
The ONLY way he will is if he pulls a Dilfer and signs with a team that has a stacked defense. One that can stop the opposing team in the red zone when he turns the ball over an average of 3 times a game.
I know the Buc’s have a history of losing quarterbacks that were drafted high but didn’t work out. And 3 won a Super Bowl. (About 20 others ex Buc Quarterbacks have never won anything) As mentioned one played for one of the best defensive teams in history. Of the other two, one (Young) inherited an already good team with a great coach, and Williams had Joe Gibbs as a coach and also had a great defense. Yes he won a Super Bowl, but that was his whole career. He finished his time in Washington with an 8-9 record, and a 42-45-1 career record. Of course maybe there is some hope for Jameis. Just not here!
November 1st, 2018 at 5:58 pm
2002 Bucs vs Packers both 8-2 Farve tossed 4 picks in the game. He was in his prime having already won a Super Bowl. He can say whatever he wants but his game and JW was very similar. He tossed bullets just like Winston. So I say bull$hit to his take on the comparisons
November 1st, 2018 at 9:31 pm
BleedOrange
Excellent post with facts and perspective. THX
November 1st, 2018 at 11:41 pm
Istillbleedorange bingo you hit the nail on the head. That’s exactly what I was going to say. Only bad teams are going to be needing a qb. And none of the bad teams have the receivers that this team has. No other team in the nfl has the receivers we have. So if he can’t succeed here he won’t succeed anywhere. Every likes to keep saying if you give him a good offensive line a good running game and a good defense he will be a good qb. So would every qb including backups in the nfl. That’s what separates the great qbs from the average qbs. They make there team better and make up for ther deficiencies. Rodgers has the pack in the playoffs every year. And they would be picking in the top 5 of the draft every year if winston played there. How many receivers or running backs leave the saints and produce the same as they did with Brees. I just saw a guy I never heard of tonight look like an all pro in his first start. If jameis played that same team Oakland Sunday he would still throw 2-3 picks. And just think how many dropped interceptions do defenses have against jameis also. He has gotten away with at least 20 more easy interceptions that the defense dropped. He should have had 6 Sunday.