“Overreaction” To Jameis
October 30th, 2018
Freakout too early?
Here is a very interesting angle on the whole Jameis mess and the Bucs.
Dan Graziano of BSPN seems to think if the Bucs trade any quarterback today as the trade deadline is this afternoon, that quarterback’s name won’t be Winston (or Griffin).
Yes, Graziano claims the Bucs have been fielding trade inquiries for journeyman backup quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Additionally, Graziano believes the crowd celebrating Jameis’ demise in Tampa Bay very well could be a victim of premature jocularity.
Winston threw four interceptions and got benched for the guy who lit up the league while he was serving his three-game suspension to start the season. Ryan Fitzpatrick led a comeback to tie the score. And while the Bucs ended up losing, Winston has now thrown 10 interceptions in four games this year. The trade deadline is Tuesday, and while the Bucs have been hearing from teams who want to know if Fitzpatrick is available, you have to wonder whether the Bucs make an even more seismic move and think about moving on from Winston instead.
Graziano’s verdict: OVERREACTION. I might be going down with the ship here, but I’m still of the belief that the Bucs need to use this season to determine once and for all whether Winston is their guy moving forward. I’m also of the belief that four games isn’t sufficient evidence on which to decide that. I could look like a fool in a couple of days, but I believe Winston starts for the Bucs again this year. I mean, we’re talking about Ryan Fitzpatrick here. All due respect, but it’s not as if he has never thrown a whole bunch of interceptions himself, right?
Joe told Rock Riley of WHBO-AM 1040 yesterday this Jameis deal, if it goes down that he’s done in Tampa, has significant long-term ramifications and none are good.
First, just what quarterback do the Bucs have any shot of getting in the draft that is a legitimate franchise-saver? Justin Herbert is likely going first overall so he’s probably untouchable. Is Will Grier worth the ransom to trade up?
Down the road, Tua Tagovailoa appears to be an awesome candidate. For the Bucs to have a prayer to land him, the Bucs are going to have to lose at least 14 games next year and might have to go winless to secure the No. 1 pick. So for the folks who screamed about Jameis and wins, have fun biting that apple.
Trevor Lawrence at Clemson (even further down the road) sure looks like the real deal but re-read the previous paragraph. There will likely be more than one team tanking for him.
Then you throw this little nugget into the mix: Given how the Bucs tossed overboard two franchise quarterbacks in the past five years at the first sign of trouble, exactly what responsible agent representing a top-shelf quarterback in the draft wants his client to come anywhere near Tampa with this team’s gross history of meat-grinding rookie quarterbacks?
It’s not unreasonable to expect an agent of Tagovailoa or Lawrence to pull an Eli Manning if the Bucs had the No. 1 overall pick and say, “Thanks Bucs, but we’re not playing for you.” And frankly, Joe wouldn’t blame them.
Joe can easily see an agent of a No. 1 overall pick of a quarterback telling his client to stay away from Tampa Bay unless he wants to go to a Lightning game, go to Busch Gardens, eat at Hooters, troll for chicks on Clearwater Beach or visit grandma at her trailer park in Holiday.
But hey, maybe Tom Savage can be had for a rock-bottom discount?
As Joe likes to write, be careful what you wish for.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:04 am
If Fitz craps the bed every 3rd game like everyone claims. That is 10-5 record over 15 games. Isn’t that better than we’re used to?
October 30th, 2018 at 10:07 am
Jameis wants to play…..it’s his passion….sitting out will kill him and it may teach him to think before he throws…….that could be a good thing or not such a good thing.
Relax, it’s just one game…..unless Fitz wins and that won’t be a bad thing.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:07 am
Can Jameis cover?
October 30th, 2018 at 10:10 am
So if Winston doesn’t work out here and we get rid of him, we should be careful
because future agents and QB’s won’t want to come here? Seems like a very logical argument. That sure has hurt the Browns, Jets, Dolphins, etc the last 20
Plus years.
So the first sign of trouble from Winston was Sunday? Man just don’t get this sites opnions most times anymore. He will get another chance in meaningless games soon.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:11 am
It’s a Bucs life. Tank? No Bucs there is no need to. They know how to lose and very good at it.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:11 am
I start fitz the next 4 games. If you don’t go 3-1 then you go back to jameis and then make a final decison on #3 (and hc and gm).
October 30th, 2018 at 10:18 am
i’ll bite the apple, slice it put it in pie, make apple butter jelly i do not give a damn tank for tua go all in, i’m sure s savy as the glazers are they can get tua’s agent to come around for the bucs, we could start a new slogan, put signs up billboards t shirts, tank for tua, or simply 2020 it’s not like we been setting the nfl on fire the last 12-14 years or so
October 30th, 2018 at 10:26 am
Joe has no issue with that but Joe hopes you weren’t one of the ones screaming for Jameis’ scalp over a win-loss record.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:30 am
This team stinks with Jameis
This team stink without Jameis
It don’t take a Rocket Scientist to see the problems
The stench starts at the top
Then work it way to the bottom
October 30th, 2018 at 10:36 am
“First sign of trouble”…?
The guy has over 70 turnovers in 50 games. 50 games! That’s not the first sign Joe. Do you really think starting Winston the rest of the year and/or picking up the 5th year is really going to offer anything significant to change perception? I feel bad because it’s between the ears for JW.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:37 am
If they trade Fitz I am out for the rest of the season at least. He is our only chance of salvaging something out of this season.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:38 am
Jameis Winston WILL go to another team.
He will become one of those ex-bucs to win a ring with another team…..
The Bucs WILL still suck.
Enjoy the suck.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:40 am
Knowing this team if the Objective is to Tank for Tua they’ll go on an 8 game winning streak to start the season then lose out lol.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:41 am
jameis had the worsr game arguably of his NFl career against Cincy. All QB;s in the NFl have a..worst game. I would not give up on him just yet. I mean look at Fitzmagic’s career. He’s had more interceptions than a morse coder!!! Now sit back and watch. fitz will sprinkle his magic for a game..maybe 2..or Not. Thats it. Then he’s gonna stink it up real nice. Then enter Jameis. I guess this is us guys. When your city cannot and does not produce a winner, you gotta create excitement some kinda ways huh? Bring in a new HC next year with a different offensive mind. Koetter is NOT..our answer. No more than Smitty was.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:44 am
This was good for an early morning laugh
October 30th, 2018 at 10:48 am
Joe still has his blinders on . The FSU guys will never give up on him . Even if he continues to show that he his a terribly inconsistent turnover machine with all sorts of off the field issues ……….. oh wait !
October 30th, 2018 at 10:49 am
He has MULTIPLE four pick games….MULTIPLE 3 pick games. And I’ve lost count of the two pick games in what has been a short career. TampaBayTailgater is spot on.
I’m tired of people expressing their opinions as facts especially when they are talking about the FUTURE.
NOBODY knows what will happen!!! Fitz won ten games one year. He may suck it up. A new QB may also suck it up…then again maybe we cobble a solution together like Brad Johnson.
Brad was a statue in the pocket…didn’t excite anybody…but he was incredibly smart and Brad Johnson was a WINNER.
There are plenty of other possibilities…we plow our draft capital into defensive studs…we find a SERVICEABLE QB…who really knows what will happen?
I get that people here…ME INCLUDED…had all these fantasies about the greatness that is Jameis Winston….just because those fantasies are as likely to come true as Joe getting lucky with three or four Buc cheerleaders one night…it doesn’t mean OTHER fantasies can’t arise and come true.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:49 am
The Bucs took a chance on Winston to be the franchise QB. Not very often do they get a top 3 pick, even with being putrid for the past 15 years. They will either have to tank a season to get a top pick QB, find/develop one from a later round pick, or free agency. It’s unfortunate Winston isn’t working out in Tampa. Once again, this franchise is set back.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:50 am
We flew to Cincy for the game and it seemed even worse in person. His feet were dancing all over the place and he failed to find the open guy most of the time. There was a noticeable lift for the offensive and defensive players when he came in. And they are the ones who see him day in and day out. Fitz proves that it’s not the Koetter/Monken system, it’s Jameis. He has failed to respond to the pressure of having his job on the line, probably for the first time ever.
I wanted Jameis to be the guy but it’s over. On the plus side, this is a great offensive scheme. Best we ever had.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:50 am
After the Bucs fired Lovie Smith after the 2015 season
Then promoted Dirk Koetter to Head Coach
This site was cheering and going like the Bucs had won the Super Bowl
I told people here that the Bucs will stink
And they will be CRYING over something else
And it didn’t take long
Less than 3 years later
They are shopping their ” Franchise” QB
And guess what???????
They are still BOTTOM FEEDERS
Read them ad weep
Lakelandamus
October 30th, 2018 at 10:57 am
The solution is rather simple.
No need to tank for a new QB.
Just ride out Jameis for the rest of the year, and you’re guaranteed a crap record.
October 30th, 2018 at 11:03 am
Some people have clearly never watched a Nick Saban QB in the NFL. Alabama quarterbacks are almost useless since Nick Saban took the helm but they all had successful college careers and won national titles. That’s because they are system QB’s. Saban is running one of the best teams college football has ever seen and I hate Bama. Mike Glennon would have been a star under Saban.
No to Tua.
October 30th, 2018 at 11:06 am
Wow!…
So we all punch each other…. over the Guy who already…. Quit !!
Does JW cry during post game interviews… that He’s sorry… and pledge we Win next game?
No….G/D nothing response from….. Swamp running (Morgan Freeman movie quote)
Look at all the Time and ATTENTION!…. Princess gets ……while the Bucs team needing adjustment is ignored.
Ya….let’s play the $$$loser QB……..that’ll work
October 30th, 2018 at 11:12 am
Next year will be time to bring Lovie back to secure the first pick…this time don’t make the mistake of letting him have any say in the selection…just fire him during halftime of the last game.
October 30th, 2018 at 11:13 am
@WalkdaPlank – I guess the same thing can be said about Jimbo QBs….Jamarcus, Ponder, EJ, and now wINsTon
October 30th, 2018 at 11:17 am
Let’s not forget one thing. Jameis played poorly against Cincinnati’s worst defense in the league. If he can struggle badly against the #32 worst then what do we actually believe he will do against 11th ranked Panthers? People’s careers are at stake here. I’m sure the Glazer’s are aware and have said as much. What gives this team the best chance to win?
October 30th, 2018 at 11:29 am
I’m going to say the same damn thing I said in 2015 – TRADE DOWN & ACQUIRE MORE PICKS!!!
October 30th, 2018 at 11:30 am
Yeah this whole situation is f*cked up. It’s why that loss / performance by Jameis was the worst timed one I can think of in his entire career going back to college.
If he plays turnover free as he typically used to in past seasons coming off back to back multi turnover games; we win and are 4-3 and he’s looking fine as the QB going forward. All is right in the world.
Instead everyone is about to commit suicide and blow the whole team up. I can’t remember a game or bad QB performance having this much of a negative impact overall on the fan base and outlook of the team.
October 30th, 2018 at 11:36 am
Wrong Year To Trade Down (JBF Archives)
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2015/03/wrong-year-to-trade-down/
October 30th, 2018 at 11:36 am
Joe,
Any chance Derek Carr is an option?
Sure, with Chucky calling the shots, everything is on the table. 27 years old, 3 Pro Bowls, durable. –Joe
October 30th, 2018 at 11:37 am
LC
We just need to retool – that’s all
October 30th, 2018 at 11:41 am
Graziano your an idiot. You say 4 games isn’t sufficient evidence to get rid of Winston. Well how about 4 YEARS. Maybe Winston should try baseball.
October 30th, 2018 at 11:47 am
dirk licht and Winston all have their fair share of the blame….unfortunately, it’ll cost them all……
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
October 30th, 2018 at 11:50 am
What No LUV 4 QB Ryan Finley?
October 30th, 2018 at 11:52 am
@Joes
@LUVMYBUCS just debunked this entire post with the link you guys wote 3 some years ago. Make up your minds please.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
This franchise is such a joke and we wonder why we always suck.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
OH BTW I would CLEAN HOUSE if I were the Glazers, RIGHT NOW. It didn’t work people. Time to move on! Just blow it up. No more GMC, Grimes, DJAX (who doesn’t want to be here anyways) Quizz, Dots and Benenoch (who both stink btw). Out with the old and in with the new. Start by getting a coach in here who knows what the heck he is doing. DK’s tenure has been a complete and total failure. Heck if you think about this it could be an owners thing. It has been the one thing that has been consistent all these years of losing. Maybe they should sell the team and wash their hands of it!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:20 pm
Luv…yet the Bucs did not trade down.
They had 2 options on the table Marriotto or Winston.
10’s of thousands of Bucs fans were not in the “trade down” fan club at that time.
Not just us JBFers. 1000’s of Bucs fans wanted Winston too…not just FSU homers as well.
We here at JBFLand don’t call the shots. We speculate and rattle eachothers cages about this and that, but we don’t say trade down and it magically happens because. Or draft this guy….and they do because.
I wanted Jameis Winston to be a Buc. The Bucs org wanted Jameis Winston to be a Buc. Joe wanted Jameis Winston to be a Buc.
For the record I still want Jameis Winston to be a Buc.
They can move on if they like. Nothing I can do or say to make it not happen.
Go Fitzmagic!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:35 pm
I honestly believe the bucs should sit Winston for the rest of the year let him learn on the sidelines. Then next season put it all on the line! Jw is only 24 geeesh yes he do have 70+ turnovers but what about the 80 tds nobody wants to discuss? Coach him better he’s damn near a teenager. He enter the draft after only 2 seasons in retrospect hes really in his second year in the NFL give him the same patience that you gave Jared Goff. #keepyaheadupjameis
October 30th, 2018 at 12:39 pm
Joe,
You lost me at tossing overboard 2 franchise quarterbacks the first sign of trouble. First off, Freeman was addicted To MDMA right along with his good buddy Doug Martin. I know he was missing team meetings and sucking outloud out on the field. Jameis has been a walking public nightmare and overall distraction for this team since day 1. His play on the field has been sub par, sans a few inspired games. His decision making is terrible, his accuracy is suspect and I believe his teammates and his coaches have lost faith in him. Also, remind me what NFL team Freeman is on again!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
If I had Ferrari and it was broke, I would just try to fix it. He is not the first Qi throw 4 interceptions in a game
October 30th, 2018 at 12:48 pm
After the Bucs lose the next 2 games, and the odds say we will, who are we gonna blame. Who becomes the scapegoat. In football you don’t win or lose games by yourself.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:49 pm
Probably depends on who the coaching staff is
October 30th, 2018 at 1:03 pm
Lord Cornelius Says: Instead everyone is about to commit suicide and blow the whole team up. I can’t remember a game or bad QB performance having this much of a negative impact overall on the fan base and outlook of the team
I could see this a little differently if this was against a team like the Rams or Texans but it was against the Beat up Bengals. When I saw the final injury report I thought this a “W”. For Jameis to go out and play that bad…….against the Bengals? Really makes you step back and re-examine things. Four years and still making rookie mistakes?
October 30th, 2018 at 1:08 pm
Wow things and perception really changed in 2 years. Bucs were nfl darlings just 2 years ago
October 30th, 2018 at 1:09 pm
Well I am for positive waves. The Bucs are GREAT, it is only a game.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:43 pm
No matter what Koetter should not be fired. He has the number one offense in football with JW and Fitz. Get a real d coordinator (Bum Phillipsish) and we will be ok. Rules protecting QB’s help Fitz and he has more weapons than he ever has. He may not revert back to the up and down Fitz. The game he stunk, he had no protection. Give him time and he can play. This Bucs offense is over JW’s head. The down the field style is too much for him to handle. If this were a dink and dunk offense like Jax, he would throw way fewer picks. This offense needs a vet QB imo . Fitz falters, Ryan Griffin should be given his shot. He is likely better than 99% of the draft picks may be available. Jw….smh, what a disappointment to a long time bucs fan
October 30th, 2018 at 1:48 pm
what about Bridgewater for a while
October 30th, 2018 at 1:52 pm
“Tossed overboard at the first sign of trouble”? Good one Joe. You got me. Thought you were serious there for a minute.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:21 pm
Trade Fitz and DJax. If I read this by the end of the day, that’s a championship worthy celebration. Fitz is messing up the franchise and djax is messing up the team chemistry. Get those guys out of here and clear the path for Famous Jameis to rise to glory!
October 30th, 2018 at 2:34 pm
lol mdma is not addictive. Hate when people comment on things they know nothing about.
Now cocaine on the other hand, that IS addictive, and it’s “a hell of a drug”
October 30th, 2018 at 6:22 pm
There is Brett Rypien of Bosie state a Senior, he has the ability and skills and the pedigree his uncle is Mark Rypien. He has 12,438 yards passing and counting in his 4 years as a starting QB to go along with 83 TD to only 27 INT. 8.8 yards per attempt a 63.8 completion percentage. We can hold on to Winston for one more $21million season and if it is the same old same old then what? Start over? I believe in cutting losses earlier rather than to late. It sucks that our #1 draft chance has not played up to that status, but it is what it is. We where told before that draft that a “Franchise QB” elevates those around him to play better just by being under center. That has not happened in Tampa.
Go Bucs!
October 30th, 2018 at 8:51 pm
Some guy above posted about Lovie again. I guess he does not realize that while Koetter probably is over his head, Lovie is out there doing a swell job for the Illini which just gave up 63 points and 720 yards to a real bad Maryland team. Lovie is now in the same boat as Koetter with his D coordinator Hardy Nickerson calling it quits. Simply put, neither Koetter or Smith are good head coaches though Lovie can occasionally get a team out to a fast start such as that 24-3 lead to Washington that turned into a staggering loss that in the probably got him fired in 2015 as he probably would have survived a 7-9 record.
The problem with Tampa is 2 fold. A bad GM who has absolutely nothing to show for the 2016 and 2018 drafts and a head coach that is simply too loyal to playrs and coaches and who has poor game management skills AND simply runs an undisciplined team that comes out flat on almost all road games and half the home games coupled with numerous bonehead penalties. Glazers, hire a guru as head of football ops and start the rebuild.
BTW Hardy Nickerson and Donnie Abraham were let go by Lovie as he tries to save his job. The Bucs D is so bad now talent wise that they could use those guys! I say that half jokingly but the Bucs need a guy like Hardy on board to demand accountability much as he did in that last year in the Sombrero and tge rest of the late 90s for a once proud Bucs D……
October 30th, 2018 at 9:53 pm
Rusty
I can’t say I’m a big Boise State backer…I’ve never seen Rypien.
But statistically finding ANY QB…even in the 1st round is a 50-50 crapshoot. And so sooner or later we’re going to have to go looking for a diamond in the rough and stop waiting to spend that 50-50 chance on the TOP PICK.
You gave Brett’s BSU numbers which made me look up his uncle.
He was selected by the Washington Redskins in the sixth round of the 1986 NFL Draft, the 146th overall pick and the eighth quarterback selected.
Mark was the first Canadian born QB to win an SB.
So who really knows Rusty. Sixth round? Brady sixth round?
Maybe we should go for Brett in the sixth round.