Michael Clayton Has Lost His Mind, Says Bucs Are A 3-Win Team, Jameis Played “Horrible” And Coach Koetter Has Bucs Unprepared
October 3rd, 2018
This is what it has come to on the big local sports radio station these days: a celebration of drivel.
Former Bucs and Giants receiver, blocking icon Michael Clayton, is leading the charge and, as usual, he’s dropped the ball.
Joe’s inserted the audio below for your entertainment. On the WDAE-AM 620 postgame show Sunday, Clayton was all over Dirk Koetter, claiming the head coach was clueless and misguided in how he talked to the media after Bears loss. Koetter is sending all the wrong messages to his team, Clayton said. And he continued to pulverize Koetter on Monday morning with the long and detailed rant below.
Clayton goes in all kinds of directions, calling the Bucs a three-win team, blasting Jameis Winston’s poor play in the pocket (see Jameis not stepping up with Khalil Mack coming off the edge when Jameis’ hand was hit on his first interception) and saying Koetter has no idea what it takes to be a championship team.
Clayton, 35, called the defensive backs situation a revolving door of tragedy, etc., etc.
Simply put, Clayton has lost his mind. He’s officially a buffoon in Joe’s world.
October 3rd, 2018 at 12:09 am
He sucked as a pro, but he’s right about a few of those things.
I agree that Koetter has been sending the wrong message. He put some blame on the coaches today, but it was all the players at first, saying he had nothing to say to them at halftime, etc. That’s not what great coaches do.
I don’t think he’s lost the locker room, but what happened to the Godfather from a few years ago?
As for the backfield being a revolving door of tragedy… I mean could you really argue with that? LOL. The entire back 7 looked lost all damn night, even our heralded linebackers.
October 3rd, 2018 at 12:11 am
Winston has done absolutely nothing to earn the free pass he gets from all corners of the Tampa Bay media.
October 3rd, 2018 at 12:14 am
So someone hasn’t read the Tampa Bay Times in the past five years, eh?
October 3rd, 2018 at 12:16 am
For all the Conte haters,
Not having Chris recognize those wheel routes really put us in a pickle.
October 3rd, 2018 at 12:22 am
hate to say it but just because you don’t like what a guy is saying doesn’t make it not true … especially from a guy with 8 years in the NFL … hope the team proves him wrong on some points but not holding my breath… i’m in full believe it when i see it mode with the Bucs… which is why i didn’t get too high on the “Fitzmagic” fools-gold the 1st 2 weeks
October 3rd, 2018 at 12:25 am
Clayton went all fanbase and probably get 86 from obp. If I was Licht or Koetter I would. Rip Clayton…..
October 3rd, 2018 at 12:31 am
Winston played fine, he shouldn’t have thrown the second INT, but they’re down by 410 points, you have to take some risks at that point, and the throw wasn’t really that risky, he just didn’t float it high enough and the Bears defender made a good play to go up and get it. Outside of that throw he was hitting guys and generally accurate, he was a bit high on other throws but was still getting it guys against a Bears defense that knew the Bucs were throwing, throwing and then throwing some more. Anyone that says Jameis played horrible is just some d-bag who either didn’t watch the game, or they’re just your normal run of the mill anti-Winston slob.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:05 am
Bucs are closer to a 3 win team than a 10 win team. Those first two games were fugazi. Nothing’s changed since last years horrible team. It was indeed fun watching those first two games.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:05 am
Clayton has good reason to tear them. Everybody else is. Dirk really has one shot and that’s in Atlanta. If they get manhandled again, it’s over for this regime. I know the Falcons lost but their offense is explosive AF. Ridley is lighting it up. Anything other than a win or close loss means curtains for Dirk and his band of gypsies.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:12 am
His over throws were to wide open receivers though. You brush it off like it was nothing. The whole argument against Jameis’s game has been his accuracy. Let’s hope after the bye, since he’s had time to reacclimate himself to his receivers, that his next game he’s on target. Because the way this Atlanta game is shaping up it’s gonna be a shootout and we’re going to have to make sure that every possession results in a score. Put the ball on target and if there are going to be mistakes, let it be the receivers fault. Whether fans like it or not, Jameis is under a microscope with only himself to blame. I want him to succeed, I want to win!
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:17 am
Is Joe’s world void of buffoons? What’s the purpose of calling Clayton a one? Your readers can make that decision. Local sports media barbing at one another is cheap.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:18 am
He achieved his goal which was to be recognized by outside media, that’s basically the game these days, sound outraged, say something entirely useless, and then wait for the Internet to comment on it. Well done Michael.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:22 am
They’ll finish 4-12. 5-11 at best. Its 2011 all over again. Sorry Joe. Clayton is right.
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:03 am
JOEL , YOU GOT THAT RIGHT , I SAID 4 – 12…….
October 3rd, 2018 at 2:54 am
This Buccaneers team is different. Sure there’s a hell a lot of room to improve defensively. Dammit people would you rather be 1-3 or 0-4? This group I think has the right mix of players to do what needs to be done. I’d take JPP and VV over Robert Ayers and the tree f*cker any day. The rooks need a confidence boost by the way of performing well in Atlanta. Better coaching wouldn’t hurt either. But it is what it is. We will be fine. Many of you are gonna bitch win or lose anyways and hate on JW. That’s ok, your allowed to. We don’t have a dog in the hunt when it comes to either the failure of the team or the success of this team. Oh yeah and Clayton wouldn’t even make the practice squad as a so called former Wide receiver on this team. Had a decent rookie year and then disappeared after that for the following 6 or 7 years. Now his so called professional opinion made it here on Joe Bucs Fan? Who’s next to crack a word on here Joe? Swaggy? Doug Martin maybe? Good grief people were still in the hunt. Shut it, and let’s hope for the best and just maybe we will still be watching these warriors come late January.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:23 am
How they play week 6 – 8 will tell us a lot about this team.
Falcons are a big test as usual.
October 3rd, 2018 at 3:42 am
They’re gonna get throttled in ATL
October 3rd, 2018 at 4:36 am
Reading through JBF has become much more fun than reading the comics. No, not because of Michael Clayton’s comments (big deal, he’s just ranting) but more because of all the JBFers’ comments on here. There are still some who love to listen to Joe’s broken record “Jameis Will Save the Day” but more & more see through the horsepuckey.
The first 2 games now make me appreciate Fitz all the more. He had them believing that they could win … AND THEY DID. It was apparent to me that he was IN CHARGE on that field, and that everyone (on offense at least) was responding to his leadership. Bucs offense was aggressive, and it worked. Even the defense started getting more aggressive (especially against the Eagles) and even they improved.
I sensed a definite change in aggressiveness in the Steelers game, and even more-so in the Bears game. Bucs game out playing much more conservatively, and both the Steelers & Bears responded by smashing them in the mouth. Turns out the Bucs really aren’t that tough, and they wilted instead of playing smash-mouth back. They were a bunch of Davids trying to take on Goliath, but without the sling & rock.
Finesse teams like the Bucs only win if they stay calm & cool & play TOGETHER IMO (they’re not ‘big enough’ to go head to head with built to play smash-mouth football like the Steelers 7 Bears). The team I saw on the field Sunday panicked … on BOTH offense AND defense. That’s obviously a breakdown in coaching, but just as much it’s a breakdown in leadership AND discipline on the field. This BYE week will hopefully help, but so much was wrong Sunday that I wouldn’t even know where to start to fix it … IF it can be fixed.
October 3rd, 2018 at 5:00 am
He may be a Baffoon, but he is right on target. They are unprepared, they make excuses and they waste talent. If they continue with JW, this may end up being the worst team in the league for years to come.
There is a lot of time during the bye week to fix a few things. get rid of Kotter, Smith, JW and start a rebuilding process. You know the leadership from the top down sucks when it has been reported that the goofy guy at the helm in Oakland, turned down the Bucs job. You want to solve problems here, bring in a president of operations and let the Glazers concentrate of their other football team. Let Dungy come in and hire quality coaches. Let’s let him draft quality and maybe in 10 years, we can stop being the laughing stock of football.
October 3rd, 2018 at 5:45 am
Passthebuc … Tony Dungy is a very classy guy, but why in the world would he go back to work for the Glazers after how they treated him the first time. Besides, he’s got the best gig in the world right now, one that’s also letting him focus on the other things in life that are more important than football and where he’s really ‘Making a Difference’.
But I’ve been saying for awhile that we NEED a President of Football Operations to provide a real VISION for this team like Tom Coughlin has done in Jacksonville. Glazers have burnt so many bridges with some pretty good football folks that I’m not sure who they’d feel comfortable trusting … or who’d trust them enough to stay hands-off to take the job. (They’re the one constant through all these years of losing).
October 3rd, 2018 at 5:51 am
I can’t hear the rant. What i will say is that we will see what this team is all about in short order. Jameis, the defense, Koetter, there will be nowhere to hide.
Chicago was a complete TEAM failure. Are we that team? Or, are we the pesky 2-0 team that best the Saints and Eagles?
I hope it’s the latter.
October 3rd, 2018 at 5:58 am
DR- Leadership starts at the top. It’s where the culture of your organization is established and fostered, as you know from your military background. You are 100% in that THEY are the common denominator. We have to hope. Hope is all this team has offered over the years, certainly not winning!
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:08 am
Good analysis in this weeks in Cover 3 on Pewter Report.
Several things that he pointed out are:
Chicago used Max Protect O Line to protect Trubisky and give him time to complete deep vertical routes. Rookie DB’s were put in the impossible position of having two deep routes in the same zone.
Nagy put on a clinic on how to beat Smitty’s zone coverage, and our front four had their hands full trying to rush against 7 O lineman.They need to get help
from blitzes.
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:14 am
He’s not entirely wrong. They don’t install a new D at some point this year. We won’t win a lot
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:19 am
I don’t think Koetter has lost his mind but I think he is making his own bed by staying and supporting Smith as D Coordinator. If Koetter gets fired at the end of the season, it was his stubborn and defiant decision to put his personal feelings above the team and the fans.
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:22 am
On offense we have had protection breakdowns for the past Two weeks. When we stopped protecting the QB well, the offense sputtered. We can not have our QB
be mauled like Steelers did,nor can we have Jameis Jameis 25 yards behind the line of scrimmage trying to avoid a sack. Been saying for a couple of weeks if our O line isn’t able to protect well we need to add another O lineman to the mix. Still remember Jake Delhome killing us with a max protect O line and Steve Smith.
And now Chicago has done it.
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:30 am
Old “Hands of stone” exaggerated most of what he ranted about. I agree Koetter said way too much about how he should be fired along with his staff after the game. The defense is pathetic and Koetter will be fired since he will not fire the incompetent Smith. Go Bucs!
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:32 am
So here it is
The bucs defense has 2 weeks to get healthy which they will . All players less guys done for year should be back…beckwith too?
If after these 2 weeks and 2 weeks to prepare for the falcons…if the defense looks like the dog poo emoji 💩 then the glazers and GM will have to demand mike smith be stripped of duties or koetter is done too. And I like koetter, but he is blind (friendship ) to not see this traffic predicament
Because there are no more excuses. He is a defensive coordinator from 10 years ago. The nfl has become creative on offense and he has no idea on how to stop it (especially a dang wheel route )
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:33 am
^^^^
Tragic
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:41 am
He is right Joe
October 3rd, 2018 at 6:55 am
Ahhh Joe Michael Clayton has won a Super Bowl dude, last I checked that is something neither one of the Joes have done. Watching the game and playing the game are VERY different. Not trying to call you guys out I respect your takes (most times) but now your VERY wrong.
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:03 am
Dang, you might not LIKE what Clayton says, but his comments reflect EXACTLY what happened on the field.
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:09 am
He lost his mom nd? No more than people talking playoffs after 2 games. Don’t why he said Winston played horrible but definitely agree about Koetter and he is clueless and he did send all the wrong messages especially back when he cut Keith Tandy for Isaiah Johnson
Michael has lost his mind? Well I guess to you he’s wrong until the bucs prove he’s not. Winston does have a lot to prove as a quarterback.
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:10 am
@Bob in Valrico … “Chicago used Max Protect O Line to protect Trubisky and give him time to complete deep vertical routes. Rookie DB’s were put in the impossible position of having two deep routes in the same zone.” I hadn’t seen that PR analysis Bob, but it makes perfect sense based on what we were seeing. Great job finding that stuff BTW (I love it when real fans share analysis instead of just parroting the ‘Fire Mike Smith’ pablum that’s so prevalent).
Obviously an interior DLine consisting of broken-wing GMC, Gholston & Worthy won’t do diddly against max protection schemes like the Steelers & Bears used (Vea did play half the Bears game … but realistically contributed nada). Blitzes aren’t very effective if your DLine gets stone-walled (like ours did) because the LBs (or others) can’t get through. Hadn’t thought about zone saturation on the deep routes, but that’s brilliant (IDK how even experienced Secondary could adjust if our DLine isn’t pressuring the QB).
One fascinating thing I noticed in the game recaps is that Trubisky completed 19 passes … 15 of those went to Cohen & Gabriel (Cohen was targeted 8 times & caught 7 for 121 yds and Gabriel was targeted 7 times & caught all 7 for 104 yds). That’s pretty bad if the other team keeps doing the same thing over & over but you can’t stop them from doing it. Every team we play from now on will probably do exactly the same thing until we demonstrate that we can stop it.
The only hope I see is that Beau Allen makes it back after the BYE, beefing up our interior DLine some (hopefully GMC’s wing improves too & Vea stays healthy). I’d love to see Beckwith back, but I seriously doubt he’d be in good enough football shape to play for quite awhile (Kwon & David & Taylor aren’t impressing me at all). If I were Smitty, I’d sit Brent Grimes & turn the rookies loose in the Secondary (Hey, what’s the worst than can happen? We’ve already seen it i think). Hopefully Whitehead is healed up after the BYE, so he & Justin Evans can handle Safety, while Davis, Ryan Smith & Stewart handle CB duties (Isaiah Johnson needs to go to the PS). IF the DLine finally gets some pressure, and IF the LBs do their job, then an all-rookie Secondary (close to it) MIGHT have a chance (after they play together a little bit & gain a bit more experience that is).
And for heaven’s sake, our offense needs to more than pull it’s weight in these coming games … put up 35-Plus PPG, control the clock & close to ZERO turnovers. If not we’ll be seeing lots of lopsided games this year.
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:12 am
@Defense Rules nailed it.
This team is not tough. They are still licking their wounds from Pittsburgh. Just wilted in Chicago. Terrible coaching didn’t help. Obviously Smitty couldn’t adjust to anything the Bears were doing and the players unraveled no leadership at all. No wonder JPP is disgusted at their gutless play.
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:13 am
Clayton made a Cardinal Sin By Joe Standards
He Called Out Jamies That’s a NoNo in Joes World
Thank God he didn’t say anything about McCoy
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:15 am
4-12. Really
Where are the Winston Fans
No way with this offense Winston doesn’t put up 40-50 points a game
Right
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:30 am
He’s not too far off base with that assessment
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:30 am
The organization could have gotten behind Fitz like the veterans on the roster did, but they decided to play coy and try and keep the Bears in the dark about who the starter would be.
Koetter not backing Fitzpatrick affects more than just Fitzpatrick’s confidence, it affected the mojo of the whole team. They had something special going for them and they chose to ignore it in favor of Winston.
The tail spin will continue…
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:35 am
We are a 3 win team. Maybe a few more but who cares last is last. Winston throws picks like clock work and we were terribly unprepared. Gotta agree with MC on this one. I actually think he gives a more honest assessment of the Bucs than a lot of fans who blindly think things will just get better one day.
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:45 am
Atrain are you actually saying a good defense like that is going to allow you to run your offense and lets a team take deep shots down the field when they are up by 5 touchdowns, use common sense and talking about the team not getting behind a 35 year old quarterback please stop. Where were you when he was throwing 4 interceptions because at that point the Fitz show was over and he looked scared in Chicago throwing off his back foot for no reason. If Winston isn’t the answer ok but stop talking like Fitz should be the guy. He’s good for 2-3 games a year proven his entire career. It’s going to be extremely embarrassing to pick a quarterback again with a high pick after selecting one 1st overall 4 years ago, he better be the guy for fans sake
October 3rd, 2018 at 7:46 am
Clayton on the 620 pregame show is horrific. Can not listen to his high pitched drivel.
Get him off the air
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:17 am
This is 2011 all over again. Watch.
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:19 am
@Not There Yet … “It’s going to be extremely embarrassing to pick a quarterback again with a high pick after selecting one 1st overall 4 years ago, he better be the guy for fans sake.” You’re exactly right … we simply can’t afford to be constantly starting over like we have. Personally don’t think Jameis is even close to being as good as Joe obviously thinks he is, BUT … HE’S GOOD ENOUGH, especially if the Bucs finally BUILD THE TRENCHES to protect him.
Jason Licht is delusional IMO & needs some adult supervision iIF Glazers keep him as GM. The center & left side of our OLine is reasonably good, but the right side absolutely sucks & is giving both our QBs ‘Happy Feet’ (their protection can’t be trusted; it’s that simple). Dotson is a shell of his former self, and Benenoch needs to go back to the PS. Cappa isn’t the answer either (not strong enough for starters). Until that OLine gets fixed, our offense will be very pedestrian (probably scoring in the 15-25 PPG range) & our running game will be non-existent.
Our new DLine was supposed to be our strength, but that’s been a bad joke with Unrein out, Vea out, Allen out & McCoy banged up. JPP & Curry have both been warriors IMO, but our LB corps looks ‘Lost in Space’. Our Secondary is down Skeleton Manning, and Licht has done ZERO to bolster it. Thank heaven we still have Scapegoat Smitty to beat on for this fiasco (and he certainly does deserve some of the blame). Impressive that Lichts-Out has managed to escape shouldering any of the blame for so long. Thanks for the Crap-Show Jason.
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:37 am
Joe,
Way too harsh on Clayton.
You honestly make yourself sound like a buffoon by disagreeing with those takes so vehemently.
I’d say 95% of what he said is pretty accurate, if I had to guess.
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:39 am
@ Defense Rules
You can learn something everyday , and for me The cover three articles with
all 22 videos to back up his analysis are great. Couldn’t agree more on Grimes, he is not playing well and as Trevor S. pointed out is a weakness if teams decide to run at him due to his size. Add in the fact he has 0 pass defenses in his two games. We have to get more production from our corners and Ryan Smith has speed and can tackle. I watch other teams blitz corners and safeties with good results ,it is time for the Koetter to repeat the 2016 speech where he told Smitty
what we are doing isn’t working and we need to change what we are doing on defense. We got a very good effort after the bye the last time.
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:41 am
Clayton is the last person to talk, one word “Bust”. Winston went in when the game was out of control.
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:44 am
Also Smitty has to adjust to the smaller ,quicker, explosive players that are
taking M. J. Stewart into a zone that should be handed off to another DB. He just is not fast enough to stay with them the entire route.
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:53 am
@joe……clayton is right!!!!!!!
smitty is straight trash…..
someone earlier said the bears used max protection on their deep balls…..ok so why didn’t smitty adjust….adjust how?…..drop 8 into coverage with a LB spying on MT….force MT to fit the ball in a window…..
but nawl that’s too much like coaches doing their job….
keep making excuses for smitty….yall look dumber by the day…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
October 3rd, 2018 at 8:59 am
LOL…..those 5games in 2016 were a fluke!!!!!!….stop bringing up sh!t that happened years ago……
kinda like the uber situation….that sh!t happened years ago…..
what has happened since….multiple blow outs….team coming out flat, unprepared and “relaxed”…..
this staff is incompetent and that’s being nice……
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
October 3rd, 2018 at 9:08 am
Joe, didn’t you pick 7 wins for the season?
Are Clayton’s comments over exaggerated? You bet, but whether it’s 3 wins or 7 wins it doesn’t matter. It’s going to be another losing season.
If there is one thing Clayton got right is that Dirk Koetter is a coach that has never been to the top. How can a coach that has never been to the top instill a culture that will get a team to the top?
Clayton is also 100% correct that Koetter said way too much with his post game comments.
October 3rd, 2018 at 9:24 am
Jameis did play terrible. He only attempted 2 passes past 10 yards. Both intercepted
October 3rd, 2018 at 9:57 am
I hope Jameis plays better the rest of the year because I don’t want to have to start over again with another rookie. This team is close it looks like from the way they played with Fitz the first two weeks. I also hope that teams cannot duplicate what the Bears did on Sunday or it is going to be a long season. From what some of you have been saying about them playing zone it sounds like we are in trouble. We need to play more man coverage so there is someone close to the play at least and then we can blitz more often. No matter what Licht does in the offseason it seems like it is never enough. He is not bringing in enough talent to compete with other teams. Wait until we play Cleveland and that defense, we will be lucky to come out of that game with a win. We need someone besides JPP stepping up on defense, he is probably wishing he was never traded right about now. It’s going to suck losing Dirk and this offenses potential next year, and who is going to replace him anyway?
October 3rd, 2018 at 10:26 am
Tampa have lying idiot fans. The buffoon dubcity6 says jameis only attempted 2 passes over 1O yards and both were intercepted. Hey buffoon, jameis td pass to brate was 17 yards. I get it. You are team truth isnt truth ie alternative facts. The troll buffoon trenchwar is crying about acuracy when jameis was 16-2O. Two of those throws were throw aways. Thats 8O% completion and that is when the defense knew we had to throw. D@mn are we really expecting a qb to complete 9O% or is that only a jameis requirement? You jameis haters tried to justify every one of fitz ints but you blame jameis? Mack beat dotson as soon as the ball was snap. That is not jameis fault no matter what the blocking icon feed you trolls. I get it though, all you guys believe in truth isnt truth ie the art of the deal.
October 3rd, 2018 at 10:30 am
Clayton is basically spot on and just going on off on the entire organization when will the joes start writing about the incompetent jason licht?
October 3rd, 2018 at 11:04 am
I see 5 or 6 wins with this defense playing like this
October 3rd, 2018 at 11:09 am
It’s one game. Whether you lose 31-30 or 48-10. I’m over it. It’s like my golf game where I get a triple bogey. Do I let it stew or get back on track and make a few pars. It seems this team after 3 emotional games Saints, Eagles and Steelers just didn’t have anything left vs the Bears. Not an excuse but you see this all the time in the NFL. Vikings tie the Packers and then lay an egg at home vs the Bills. Who saw that coming? Now with two weeks off this team should be prepared to take on the Falcons in Atlanta next week. They’ve had some success in Atlanta and I think they’ll show up. Well, I hope they show up. Plenty of games left to salvage the season.
#Get After It!
October 3rd, 2018 at 11:47 am
The defense was unable to cover plays that only had 2 receivers running routes.
There is no excuse for that. None. I don’t care if you have rookies back there.
October 3rd, 2018 at 1:56 pm
Not There yet
Did you read anyway I wrote Fitz
NO
October 3rd, 2018 at 5:20 pm
I’m not sure he’s wrong.
October 3rd, 2018 at 10:34 pm
For the first time in his life, Clayhands has it mostly right, other than to think anyone cares a soggy pickle what Clayhands thinks.