“Just One Glaringly Obvious Issue”
October 30th, 2018
Trade for a first- and second-round pick or save for the next head coach to evaluate, explains a former NFL QB.
Is it fixable?
A former NFL QB grappled with that question yesterday while talking about Jameis Winston on SiriusXM NFL Radio.
For those unaware, ex-Chiefs and Browns QB Brady Quinn is a co-host weekdays on “The Blitz,” the NFL Radio mid-day show.
Quinn dove into the situation surrounding the on-field troubles and benching of America’s Quarterback and acknowledges it’s a messy situation.
The film on Jameis looks good, Quinn says, except “just one glaringly obvious issue. Of course, Bucs fans know that that is: giving away the football with astounding proficiency.
“Is it fixable? I think so,” Quinn said of Jameis’ turover woes. “But part of me in the back of my mind thinks you kind of are what you get to the league and you’ve played this much football. It’s really hard to train [to fix] that, unless you take the opportunity for him to throw those picks out of his hand. So you gotta make a decision, is he going to be your guy in the future, but I don’t know if this coaching staff is going to be your coaching staff.
“I don’t want to speculate whether they are or they aren’t but you can speculate whether or not Jameis Winston is going to be the future at quarterback. If he is, then you gotta play him, you gotta go through the lumps, and you gotta hope that you, you know, come out on top and you’re able to win some more football games down the stretch. But if you don’t think he is, then I really think you need to go fishing today and you need to try to figure out what your [trade value] is. And you really gotta like the value somebody is willing to offer.”
Quinn went on to say the Bucs should look at an immediate trade for Jameis only if the Bucs can get a first- and second-round pick because the capability is there within Jameis.
Otherwise, Quinn said, hang on to Jameis and let a potential new coach evaluate Jameis and make a decision.
Interestingly, Quinn spoke just prior to Dirk Koetter announcing Ryan Fitzpatrick would start Sunday against the Panthers. Quinn was dead against that move and believed not only should Koetter have stuck with Jameis against the Bengals, rather than bench him, they should start Jameis the rest of the season to really see what they have.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:03 pm
You’ll lose what’s left of the locker room if he starts the rest of the year.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:07 pm
One draft bust talking about another is just pointless.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:11 pm
One problem Mr. Quinn…Coach Koetter and company won’t have a job with Famous Jameis “learning” the QB position after 4 years. It also sucks for the fans and the team. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. My suggestion ? Pick up a veteran QB in the off season and work on the Lines and the defensive backfield in the draft. These receivers are so good, most experienced signal callers would win.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:12 pm
UGH…He is slow with decisions, he is slow with delivery, he stares down the main target. He has 4 years in the league and looked like a rookie fresh out of college in the last game. It’s not fixable. He telegraphs the picks. He sucks. It’s over….END OF STORY!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:12 pm
a first and a second is fantasy land at this point.
also, starting him right now is a terrible idea because he is losing the games by himself. you play to win the game.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:13 pm
So Jameis’s 3rd coach is his answer? …. For Jameis sake I hope coaching is the answer…. but after watching him in college and the NFL I don’t think his problems are correctable… it is time to draft another QB with the Bucs first round pick next year, keep Jameis in 2019 and after the 2019 season everyone will know if Jameis is the answer here in Tampa
October 30th, 2018 at 12:14 pm
If he is our guy, as owners you make a statement and fire Koetter, trade D Jax and trade Fitzpatrick to show the team you are committed and believe in your Quarterback. If he is not- you trade him now!! So if Fitzpatrick starts and throws 3 picks in the first half again, what does Koetter do? Does he go back to Jameis? What message does that send to the team. Dumbass has completely boxed himself in. Koetter at this point is an ass clown in addition to sh*tty HC. JMO of course.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:14 pm
I agree!!!! its not fair to draw conclusions on a 4 YEAR QUARTERBACK. The Glazers should have Licht draw up a new contract for the kid. WTH is going on hear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:16 pm
Jason Licht set this franchise back at least 5 years when he made the horrible mistake of squandering the first overall pick in the draft by drafting Winston, a QB coming out of college that everybody knew was and would be a turnover machine in the league, who also had a questionable character and a checkered past. The franchise wasted 4 years with him, then will have to draft or trade for the next starting QB.
Licht has done everything he could to make Winston successful but he has failed.
Now the question is, will Licht continue to beat a dead horse and still try to make Winston the face and star of Tampa Bay, setting the franchise back even farther, or will he have to guts to go to the Glazers and admit that he made a mistake and let them know that it is time to cut loses and move on.
At this point, every failure or transgression that Winston has on or off of the field is on Jason Licht’s head. Period
October 30th, 2018 at 12:16 pm
I’d say the 3 glaring issues character, stupidity, turnovers
October 30th, 2018 at 12:17 pm
They already know what they have. ATM that can get the offense to score in the red zone as offten as needed. But now get to the red zone and start throwing pics. It is not only bad that he does it, but where and when and how he does it.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:17 pm
People kill me with th 1st round pic stuff. Hes a loser! Hes a turn-over machine!, if you trade for him you only get him for half a year and if he gets hurt you will owe him over 20 million and you may not even want him after this year! There IS NO MORE TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL!!! he is what he is. Jacksonville may make a move but they would cut him after the year or work out some other lower salary.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:18 pm
^cant
October 30th, 2018 at 12:18 pm
If it wasn’t Winston it would of been Mariotta. Stop with the we shouldn’t of drafted him.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:18 pm
If there isn’t a trade today, the 20 million dollar plan should be executed ASAP.
QB 1 FitzMagic
QB2 RG4
QB 3 Jameis “I Got To Get Better” Winston
QB3 is inactive for the rest of the games!!!!!!!!!
Come January CUT HIM!!!!!!!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:20 pm
He almost loss browns game
Fitz would have won by 2 tds
Fitz would have won against Atlanta.
Fitz would have won against bengals if he came at half
These are some of the worst defenses in nfl cause of injuries and Jameis struggled. He should have shined. And you want to give him 100 mil.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:21 pm
That’s the issue as someone pointed out. Job security of coaches vs what is best for the team long term. What would have been nice is Winston throwing 2-3 TDs with no turnovers and us having an easy win in Cincy and this not being a topic.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:21 pm
4 years they’ve had to fix it. I’d like to hear of any quarterback that miraculously fixed this problem 4 years in. 4 games maybe, not 4 years.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:22 pm
JWs basic problem is lack of accuracy. Half his stuff is good, the rest misses high/low, right left. Only great receivers make him as good as he is and covers up the number of bad throws he has. But He knows he has the issue and it makes him slow and unsure and that compounds the problem. And he is worse under pressure. Unless some QB guru can figure out and correct the cause (posture, footwork, whatever), he will always be a marginal choice.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:22 pm
Yeah and if we only would have stayed with Josh Freeman a little longer, we’d be a playoff contender team now. LOL.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:25 pm
There are two things about Jameis that glare at me when I watch his play.
1. He rarely hits a receiver in stride.
2. His receivers are normally adjusting to HIS throw. (Related but different)
Bonus glaring problem…dude can’t get on same page as Desean Jackson.
There’s no doubt in my mind Jameis is the best QB the Bucs have ever drafted. He makes miracles happen. But there is no denying he is a one man wrecking crew. This dude is off the rails. This ISNT one game. This is a body of work. Joe’s said last week Jameis is just the sorta guy who’s gonna make two mistakes a game. I’d take THAT Jaemis.
Why can’t he hit a receiver on a deep ball IN STRIDE (Absent the one to Mike Evans Sun we rarely see it). Is it that he needs to see his receiver hit the SPOT on his route and stop? Because that’s what it looks like. Jameis throws to parked receivers. Something is wrong where he doesn’t appear to be able to anticipate/trust where his guy is going. Fitzpatrick is tossing the ball seconds BEFORE Jackson is arriving at his spot. Jameis is throwing it seconds AFTER Evans is arriving at his mark. Or at least that’s how it looks. And because Jameis is waiting his eyes are fixed in his target. And that’s what the opposing secondary sees. They just keyed on him and waited for him to float balls to parked receivers. Is his release too slow? Is it his eyes? Is it anticipation? Whatever it is it’s hard to believe ithere s a fix that doesn’t require he relearn the position from the mental sde.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
“Quinn was dead against that move and believed not only should Koetter have stuck with Jameis against the Bengals, rather than bench him, they should start Jameis the rest of the season to really see what they have”.
Really? REALLY? After 3+ years with the same coach, we don’t know what we have in Jameis? Well, Mr. Brady Quinn, let me tell you what we have: we have a QB with all the physical tools but without good judgment….and…a QB who has said time and again that he is a gunslinger. I was here in 2002 when the Bucs won the Super Bowl. They won it with a journeyman QB who allowed his teammates to make plays without making errors, which is what we need on this team.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
Unfortunate as of now, 4 hours of trade deadline, there are not even rumors that any team is interested on JW.
That is bad news for BUCS. We are stuck with him……
October 30th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I HAVE HEARD SINCE THAT GAME ENDED. WHO IN THE H – E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS WOULD TRADE A 1ST OR 2ND ROUND PICK FOR THIS GARBAGE QB! AND YOU PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE EXPERTS?! I NEED ANOTHER DRINK. I AM PRETTY SURE I WONT MAKE IT THROUGH THIS WEEK SOBER.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:27 pm
@RAYRICE
THANK YOU. GOOD POINT!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:28 pm
buccer
I agree…..judging by Dotson’s reaction on the second pick, the locker room is already split……
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:29 pm
@DEWEYSELMON
AGREE WITH YOU AS WELL. MARIOTA STINKS TOO!
October 30th, 2018 at 12:30 pm
Quinn’s thought process promotes the “job interview” year for Jameis Winston, which is a good way to lose a locker room. As of this point right now, all of the evidence says Fitzpatrick gives the team the best chance to win. If you deny this, you are either willingly blind or haven’t watched. Fitzpatrick gets more out of the same players Jameis plays with (i.e DJax) and he puts up better numbers and most importantly, less turnovers.
You really think the players are just going to stand by and let a turnover machine continue to start without getting involved in the locker room, or worse, on the field? It shows them that their head coach doesn’t care about winning, he only cares about saving Jameis and not the team.
No matter how good or bad Fitz plays, I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Jameis anyway.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:32 pm
One thing wrong? I guess Brady doesn’t watch tape off the bucs. First we all know about Jameis issues with decision making, second we all know Jameis has issues with staring down receivers, and third unlike any true franchise quarterback, Jameis is NOT able to maker all the throws. He is a one trick pony who tries to force balls to the middle of the field because he struggles with anything outside the numbers or beyond 20 yards down field. If you watch the safeties on the two long passes for the bucs on Sunday they were standing still when the receiver ran past them. Why? Because the book on the Jameis says stay put at 15-20 yards from the line of scrimmage and the ball will come to you.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Ray Rice Says:
One draft bust talking about another is just pointless.
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EXACTLY…If that was Montana or Elway speaking then I would listen, might as well ask Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel their opinions as well.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
Jameis is a pitcher with no touch.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:39 pm
your not getting a 1 or2
October 30th, 2018 at 12:41 pm
I think Talib said just about the same thing when he played against him last. Watching tape on Jameis they knew exactly what he would do . And there was no problem because they would get their chances to pick him.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:42 pm
I think we should take a ham sandwich for him.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:42 pm
I’d be happy with a 7th personally. But that is asking a lot.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:42 pm
Even now Joe pines for America’s Great Turnover Machine.
3 years from now they’ll still be posting Winston articles.
Good riddance.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:43 pm
Quinn is spot on about one thing though. That is..You bring in a new HC and let him evaluate Jameis next year. Then you make the decision to pay him long term or not. He’s already here for one more yr. And nobody is giving up a 1st rder at this point for him. Maybe not even a 2nd. Is jameis fixable? maybe..with a new HC. maybe not. Keep him one more yr and lets evaluate this griffin backup. I want to see what he’s got. Koetter is not going to reach 500 this yr I don’t think. Let him go fishin with his raod dog Smitty.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:43 pm
“only if the Bucs can get a first- AND second-round pick because the capability is there within Jameis.”
Wow Quinn is as bad of a NFL analyst as he was a player!!! Are you freaking kidding me? Why bother with that speculation. There is NO team in this league right now that would surrender first AND second round pick for Jameis. If there is…hustle their butts right now and make that deal!!!!
Record setting turnover machine….hard head…and a constant liability off the field. Stick a fork in JW…he’s done. HE DOES NOT SEE THE FIELD…HE STARES DOWN TARGETS….those 4 picks were not just picks…they weren’t JW being Favre trying to make a play…they were horrid passes as if the Bengals were playing with invisible uniforms!!!
“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”
JW has shown us over and over and over again WHO he is both on and off the field.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
None of those interceptions were even good defensive plays, they were simply terrible throws/decisions…and that doesnt include three more that were dropped. He lit it up in preseason when there was no pressure. Just goes to tell you it’s 100% between the ears.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
Did you see when fitz brought them back.
The Oline as jumping all over him like about time.
Brate upset. But the rest probably not.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
Ray Rice
Drops the mike
done here
October 30th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
Jameis has lost the locker room and the head coach. With his terrible decision making both on and off the field, this is no surprise at all. He’s done.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:47 pm
So I am the point where I am saying whatever. But that being said I love how we are letting a proven mentally weak locker room and their “feelings” effect the future of our franchise. Again another sign of weakness and poor coaching by the joke of an organization. Just ask yourself this question, regardless of the situation, do you think Belichick gives a crap what anyone on his team thinks about who he plays and who he doesn’t? That my friends is why they are who they are this is we are who we are.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:53 pm
I love this site. It is like rubbernecking a car crash on I-4.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:57 pm
I would trade him for a bag of marbles and then pray that the bag of Marble guy doesn’t beat the cap out of me when he realizes how bad I fleeced him.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:58 pm
How can Jameis fix his problems
This is a 4th year QB who was suspended and comes back throwing worse
What other QB in the league compares to that and starts
LOOK at his Play not even the INTs
Poor throws
Bad decisions
Doesn’t have the lockerroom
October 30th, 2018 at 12:58 pm
Like I have said allllllllllll along
3 isn’t a bust he just isn’t elite
23 best QB and we can’t win a championship with him no way no how
He just wasn’t born with the chops man
Now I tell u who is…… Tua
Tua in 20 baby
October 30th, 2018 at 12:59 pm
By the way what was Fitzs record in the last full year of starting10-6
What year was Jamies 10-6
October 30th, 2018 at 1:01 pm
Jameis isn’t fixable, sorry.
I’m just hoping to see an article from Joe later today that reads something like:
“On this cool crisp autumn day, the Buc’s have decided to move on from America’s QB, Pro Bowler (mental midget) and received a 2nd round draft pick from (insert desperate team name).
It’s a sad day for Joe because Joe has been a huge advocate for America’s Turnover Machine, Pro bowler Jameis Winston. For some reason this Joe just can’t believe the Bucs let such a talented QB walk away for no good reason….
Joe is going to go to Abe’s Place and drown himself in crappy Bud Light and nuclear chicken wings and then awaken fresh to start his drum pounding for our next great FRANCHISE QB…….
Who will be the next Johnnie Football or Jameis Winston?
October 30th, 2018 at 1:05 pm
Trade (QB) Jameis Winston & (TE) Cameron Brate – for
(SS) Landon Collins & (G) Will Hernandez or Draft Compensation
(2018) Dead $ Incurred: $10,174,323
Cap $ Saved: $4,767,580
Acquired Cap $: $1,749,620
(2018) Total Cap Savings: $3,017,960
2018 Available Cap/2019 Roll-Over: $9,610,590
Upgrade (Interior) Offensive Line
LT Donovan Smith | Michael Liedtke
LG Ali Marpet
C Ryan Jensen | Evan Smith
RG *Will Hernandez | Alex Cappa
RT Demar Dotson | Leonard Wester
Upgrade Safeties
S Landon Collins | Jordan Whitehead
S Justin Evans | Andrew Adams
October 30th, 2018 at 1:08 pm
Atrain
9-7 his second year with no kicker.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:12 pm
Ndog
“I love how we are letting a proven mentally weak locker room and their “feelings” effect the future of our franchise.”
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Your post from another thread:
Just for one minute imagine Jameis right now and how he feels as a person.
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Your Bi-Polar is showing again
October 30th, 2018 at 1:16 pm
what do you say when it’s over, i don’t know if i should say anything at all, one day were rolling in the clover, next thing you know we take the fall, still i think about the years since i first met you and the way things might have been without you here, i don’t know if words from me can still upset you, but i’ve just got to make this memory clear, i know i’m leaving here a better man, for knowing you this way, things i couldn’t do before now i think i can, and i’m leaving here a better man, i guess i always knew i couldn’t hold you, but i’d never be the one who set you free, just like some old nursery rhyme your mama told you, you still believe in some old meant to be, still i’m leaving here a better man knowing you this way, things i couldn’t do before now i think i can, and i’m leaving here a better man. an old QB say’s goodbye
October 30th, 2018 at 1:16 pm
Mr. Magoo better bring his glasses this week.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:17 pm
People talking about dork saving the locker room are people thinking dork will somehow save his job with Fitz. Stop blaming Winston for the bucs horrible season. Winston 1-1 on the season. Winston is not the reason we’ve lost 4 games with the number one offense. Fitz looked just as bad in Pittsburgh and Chicago losses. This is on the amateur head coach and all will be well once dirk is gone unless someone is saying Fitz can’t play for any of coach
October 30th, 2018 at 1:31 pm
I would trade him for a bag of marbles and then pray that the bag of Marble guy doesn’t beat the crap out of me when he realizes how bad I fleeced him.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:33 pm
I don’t see why people think that he will make a hundred million on a contract if we can structure it where he’s only making the average QB pay then why not keep and try to develop him. it could all be just a coaching issue. I guarantee if we had gotten Shanahan then he wold have been developed better.Kotter is not a QB Guru. the only way Jameis would have made a hundred million if he actually played well, no team including us would pay average QB a hundred million dollar contract. If you don’t think he wouldn’t take a short-term average pay contract to develop and prove himself than he’s worth moving on from
October 30th, 2018 at 1:33 pm
JaMISS WinSTUNNED
October 30th, 2018 at 1:40 pm
Jamyth’s days are over in TPA….Drew Lock or whoever is slotted near the Bucs pick…. actually playing Jamyth the remaining games would be a sweet parting gifting his part … removing all doubt and improving the Buc draft position
October 30th, 2018 at 1:40 pm
DB55
And this year with all the weapons one team can hold Jamies has won a total of one game
Without a Kicker that’s funny
October 30th, 2018 at 1:43 pm
and don’t get me wrong yes as a number one overall pick he shouldn’t have to be developed but it is what it is he is an average QB that should not have been a number one overall pick he is a QB that needs to be developed he came out of college with a high turnover rate. it was already known and should not have been that high and quite honestly neither him nor Mariota should have been taken one or two. but both of our teams needed a QB hoping for a franchise QB and we were reaching or praying that they could coach the flaws out as a rookie. Neither happened.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:47 pm
If the Bucs could get a single 1st round or a 2nd and 3rd they would/should break their arms getting the trade on the fax machine so quickly.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:48 pm
America’s Turnover Machine says “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Since he has no clue how to do it.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:51 pm
The pick was Leonard Williams that year….Bucs management somehow drank the Florida State kool-aid and forgot WinSTUNNED was just part of a loaded team that won a title, they always overcame his dumb turnovers
October 30th, 2018 at 1:58 pm
Blahak. There was incredible pressure from a ex FSU Buc and Lovie as well has local medias to draft Jamyth … all of my predraft criticisms sadly have come to pass
October 30th, 2018 at 1:58 pm
nobody gonna pay 21 million dollars for jameis plus a 1st 2nd or 3rd rounder by 4:00 pm today big daddio; when he goes on the market next fa they can get him on the down low bargain basement shelf, it’s just that plain simple, teams needing a QB bad like the giants and whatnot are not in contention and in no rush, to make a bad decision, the bucs looks to me like their ready for a change before investing 100 million dollars on a man with this kind of baggage and performance issues, we need to imho keep the coach gm, run with fitz and tank next season for tua in 2020 with the weapons in place he can not fail and like that we will finally have a franchise QB with none of the shenanigans
October 30th, 2018 at 2:00 pm
The Yucs win an Emmy
For ” As the Yuc Turns”
Best daytime soap opera
October 30th, 2018 at 2:06 pm
they should call Chucky and get a first round next year and the second round in 2020 and then use those to trade up in 2020 to get tua
October 30th, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Anything better than a 3rd round pick for Jameis is pure fantasy land at this point.
That is the truth.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:08 pm
Detroit got a 3rd round pick for Golden Tate
From the Eagles
October 30th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Jamyth and the Bucs are not even making the rumor rounds and at this late in the afternoon of the last day don’t think anything will happen…. perhaps the G’Boyz are holding the GM reigns tight
October 30th, 2018 at 2:18 pm
GhostofSchiano Says:
October 30th, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Ray Rice Says:
One draft bust talking about another is just pointless.
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EXACTLY…If that was Montana or Elway speaking then I would listen, might as well ask Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel their opinions as well.
Really? How’s Elway’s record with QBs since he took over Denver?
October 30th, 2018 at 2:21 pm
“I wanted DJAX instead of Tate and offered a 3rd rounder but Gump said he is in “win superbowel mode”
GM Howie Roseman
October 30th, 2018 at 2:22 pm
You people that want Winston gone are so f…ing dumb!! No wonder The Big Dog used to refer to Tampa Fans as goobers. You are the stupidest most ill informed set of fans ever. We have the BEST any a wide margin QB we ever have had ( I will admit he needs a little polishing and your ready toss him away. As T Kras says… You Freehing people.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:23 pm
Ok Jamies is leaving soon so every body can be happy now. I’m tired of seeing this on this site. Y’all got what y’all wanted now just shut up please. Y’all got your franchise quarter back in fizpatrick.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:26 pm
Sure as hell did not get what I wanted, Oneilbucs. – I root like hell for Jameis and want nothing but success for him. That game was very disappointing. I still care for and root for that kid, though, always.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:27 pm
O’Neil … nobody wanted Jameis to be gone… everyone wanted him to succeed once he was drafted… difference is that objective fans could see the flaws in his stats… the glass has always been half full until now
October 30th, 2018 at 2:39 pm
A first and second round pick for Jameis? Gimme some of what he is smoking. No team is going to offer anything better than a 2nd rd pick by itself and I seriously doubt that even happens. Jameis will stay a Buc for now because his value is squat right now. It’s a bad situation and one that will cost many people their job at One Buc Place by the end of the season.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:43 pm
Ray Rice, if only All Pros could offer their opinions all of us washed up high school heroes wouldn’t be posting on this here blog
October 30th, 2018 at 2:45 pm
I would rather hire a great QB coach and good head coach than to get rid of Winston, Wilson has good talent but our coaches are clueless on how the coaching to get them to utilize it
October 30th, 2018 at 2:48 pm
Trade him to NY for Jenkins and a 3rd.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:50 pm
Trade him to NY for Jenkins & a 3rd.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:51 pm
Erik, Completely agree. Could you imagine JW on a team with average talent at WR/TE? GMs are not that dumb.
October 30th, 2018 at 2:54 pm
77 nobody has ever doubted Jamyth’s physical talents… it has always been his decisions on and off the field… and not much has changed and the franchise his looking at a much richer gambling table … I’ve said on several threads to Lee and pay/play him next year along with drafting a QB with the first pick in 2019 and the decision will be much easier and much less painful
October 30th, 2018 at 2:55 pm
He can’t control his impulses off the field… how can you expect him to control his impulses throw? He has more issues than forcing throws and making bad on-field decisions. Move on. He is what he is.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:00 pm
DB55,
The 9-7 record go back and look not one of those losses was due to a missed field goal. In fact, several were flat out blow outs.
Bad kicking has effected negatively last year and this year. But not the 9-7 year.
You can make an argument for bad kicking effectively limiting game planning and you’d be absolutely correct. But that year, there’s no 3-2-1 point losses. If I’m not mistaken, I very well could be, the lowest pt spread loss was 5pts. And it’s not a 2 missed fg game.
I’m not disagreeing with the overall idea, just that specific year and the fact that the losses were not very close as to be decided by a missed fg.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
I’m ready to move on from this now. I will always root for him as well. But I just think it was Dirk more than Jamies. Cause if you are a young quarterback coaching staff is very important. Look what happen with MATT Ryan. When he had Dirk he played bad but when Dirk left he became a mvp just like Freeman the running back the next year he became a super start running back now so what that should tell y’all it’s Dirk. Now draft the quarterback from WV give him a new coach and build a defense and running game. I really don’t know how good Jones is now when you look at the falcons running back or Winston.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:12 pm
@ Buc believer
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well we should call u @JW believer, tell us where u get informed so we can go and get enlighten, and see what we can not see….god….this FSU ill fans….
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some are talking to bring more coaches for the ONE to be coached, and years to grow…
how many years got Mitch Trubisky and how many coaches…. for embarrassing Bucs??
How come that are left 50 min from trading deadline, and no team on NFL want to trade for the ONE???
The NFL are goobers, Freehing people too???
October 30th, 2018 at 3:14 pm
THIS IS A TEAM SPORT. THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE TEAM NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED ALONG WITH THE ABILITY TO SIGN FREE AGENTS. IF YOU FAIL TO TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF PLAYERS, YOUR ABILITY TO KEEP TALENT WILL DISAPPEAR.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:34 pm
OK PASSTHEBUC, WE GOT YA!!!!!! — 😉 just playin
October 30th, 2018 at 3:46 pm
O’Neil… it ,Jamyth, was not coaching… unless the taught him to throw ill advised passes and scramble around making a bad situation worse…. man up ! … this is 99% Owned by Jameis! Man up !!! and stop crying like a 5 year old watching his balloon drifting into the clouds.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:48 pm
This whole feeling bad for Jameis thing is hogwash. Dude is a multi millionaire. Had 4 years now to prove himself and is actually worse than he was in his rookie year and has more talent on offense now. Fitz had a rough game and a half so far this year with 2 and a half great games. Fitz easily outplayed Jameis and no matter how much love he was showered with after Game 2, he’s still a journeyman that has always been limited by his poor decisions. He can spin it but he also makes ill-advised throws and too many turnovers. With all that said, he makes far less bad decisions and far less bad throws compared to Jameis. That’s just sad. I’ve been among the most vocal Jameis supporters on here even after his embarrassing Uber grab but it was always do or die for Jameis this year and he died.
October 30th, 2018 at 3:57 pm
D1
I thought we missed a fg to go to OT vs the Raiders then lost by 7 in OT. I could be wrong but I can look it up. Lmk
October 30th, 2018 at 3:58 pm
A 24 year old quarterback can’t get better but a 37 year old quarterback still can get better who played for 8 different teams and never played in a play off game ok boy this fan base is sick .
October 30th, 2018 at 4:08 pm
O’Neil.. no one is saying Jameis can’t get better… thing is the NOBODY is going to give him the typical Big Payday contract… someone will give him a FA deal but not anything close to starting franchise $20,000,000.00. a year money and I doubt the Bucs will the team to ink his second deal
October 30th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
Alterego I don’t lose no sleep when the bucs win or lose trust me .
October 30th, 2018 at 4:17 pm
@Oneil Which is it. Are you ready to move on or not? You’re flip-flopping more than a fish out of water. Nobody said Fitz was the long term answer. He’s 35 years old by the way. Besides, it’s not about age. Jameis makes the same mistakes every single game. He’s a guaranteed at least 2 turnovers a game. This has been his M.O for 4 years now. It doesn’t matter if he’s 20, 24 or 44, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and continuing to regret it. What you see is what you get with Jameis and it’s not franchise QB material. We will have to eat some contract and likely not have good trade proposals on the table for him. I expect Jameis to continue to get opportunities as the season goes along and I expect exactly the same thing we have seen for 4 years from him. Mediocrity at best.
October 30th, 2018 at 4:36 pm
Well the trade deadline has passed and Jameis and Ryan are both still here. So let’s just gather up the troops, all of us, from both sides of this fence, and realize we all rooting for the same team… the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
For better or worse, no matter what happens, whether Ryan is in there or whether Jameis gets another shot at some point, we pull for them to kick ass and for this team to win some games.
We definitely all have more in common than we don’t when it comes to the NFL. — GO BUCS
October 30th, 2018 at 4:53 pm
would gruden do carr straight up?
October 30th, 2018 at 4:55 pm
^^ this is a family site, austinbuc, that seems like a very inappropriate question.
October 30th, 2018 at 5:32 pm
There’s no quick fix here. This is an off season relearning process that requires Jay Miss to relearn or modify his mechanics (footwork and release). He’ll have to modify his decision making process, too. This is gonna require a full time QB guru within the structure of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement. Not an easy task.
Should the Glazers invest 20M in a fifth year total overhaul, not to mention that Jay Miss is one Uber ride away from a total ban from the NFL?
Time to move on folks, no matter how painful this seems.
October 30th, 2018 at 5:40 pm
I’m not about to pay him $20M to find out….
It’s always easy to find out with someone else money.
Mahomes looking real good in KC isnt he…….hmm
October 30th, 2018 at 5:41 pm
Now that DJax wasn’t traded, just cut him. Pay him his $$ to go away. It’s obvious nobody wanted him or he would’ve been traded.
October 30th, 2018 at 5:42 pm
Mahomes also had a year to sit behind Alex Smith and wasn’t thrown into a LosingbLovie smith dumpster fire.
October 30th, 2018 at 5:44 pm
The Lovie Smith dumpster fire is nothing compared to the Dirk Koetter and Jason Licht Forest Fire… those are Lovie’s guys too. Cut that whole dad gum Lovie cable and free Tampa from the losing.
October 30th, 2018 at 7:57 pm
Would be happy to get a 1st mind a 1st and 2nd.
October 30th, 2018 at 8:28 pm
LUV
You know I’m a fan because you don’t just come here to shoot your mouth off or boast about your football prowess.
You bring facts and research and I appreciate that.
I do not have a major problem admitting I’m wrong. During the draft debate I wavered between JW and MM settling on JW after 87’s long sales pitch. LOL… But I do not blame 87…I was WRONG in either choice…you and some others…AE? said we should trade down.
Hindsight is 20-20 but clearly you were RIGHT LUV.
October 30th, 2018 at 8:55 pm
“Quinn was dead against that move and believed not only should Koetter have stuck with Jameis against the Bengals, rather than bench him, they should start Jameis the rest of the season to really see what they have.”
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Well it’s pretty obvious Mr. Quinn doesn’t give a crap about us fans. While sitting @ 3-4, there’s still the possibility to right this ship when we are still feasibly in it. Quinn is basically saying just give up, and to my ears that’s not the advice I want to hear. We keep Jameis, and if we continue to slide backwards from here where we are definitely out of picture then we toss JW back in. The Eagles are sitting at 4-4, do you think they’re talking about shutting down? Not a chance, only losers think that way.
October 30th, 2018 at 9:24 pm
st pete,
trading down was not an option, we hadn’t had a good QB in 20 years, neither of these guys are producing so far. Both have their moments, but Mariota can’t stay on the field. Jameis is still 24 about to be 25. He has thrown 76 TDs or something like that and a sh*t ton of INTs. He still has less INT’s than Manning, Favre, Manning, Marino and others 48 games into their career. He will improve with a HC that believes in him, Dirk didn’t want him from day 1, he was in the #imwithmariota crowd. As soon as Jameis started stinking, he threw him under the bus in pressers, that is not the way to “raise a QB”. Koetter should have been fired when Smitty was, simply because he refused to fire him earlier. Monken and Jameis seem to get along so he should have been elevated like Duffner was (still think it should have been Buckner). Defense still stinks but I guess is improving. Jameis gave them 7 by himself, but even after the INTs the Defense failed to stop them. We have like 5 takeaways in 7 games, I can’t believe there is no talk about this. I have never seen anything like it in 42 years of watching football. So while BOTH of our QBs are handing the ball away at an alarming rate and our WR’s are dropping balls again at alarming rates, our defense is hardly helps our winning ways by picking up our QB after a mistake. There is a lot wrong with this team it is not just one man, though this week it was totally on Jameis. Catanzaro leaves us chasing points every week, he has lost us games and almost lost us games and he hasn’t been replaced. My guess about that is we are waiting for Matt Bryant to come back so we can take Georgio Tavecchio (sp.) and ruin his kicking career next, LOL.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:12 pm
Brady Quinn is the source of this “knowledge”. Enough said. The dude is projecting his lousy career through his rosy colored glasses.