Jameis-Fitzpatrick In Rare Interception Air
October 22nd, 2018
Thirty years ago, the bumbling 1988 Buccaneers threw 36 interceptions, 35 by their franchise quarterback, Vinny Testaverde, and one by Joe Ferguson.
No NFL team has been so prolific in throwing the ball to its opponents since.
Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers combined for 30 picks in 2005 (29 by Favre). So did the 1996 Falcons.
Eli Manning and Curtis Painter teamed up to hurl 29 interceptions in 2013. Drew Bledsoe threw 27 all by himself in 1994 for the Patriots, and Jay Cutler and Caleb Hanie served up a combined 27 in 2009.
Of all those teams, only the ’94 Patriots had a winning record. They lost in the opening round of the playoffs, ironically to Testaverde and the Browns as Bledsoe threw three interceptions to kill New England’s chances.
Joe brings up this history because the Bucs are now on pace to throw 29 interceptions this season after Ryan Fitzpatrick fired five interceptions in his 3 1/2 games of work and Jameis Winston has chucked six picks in 2 1/2 games.
If you’ve been thinking that you can’t remember ever seeing interceptions at this kind of rate, you might be correct.
Place the blame wherever you wish. It doesn’t matter. The picks have to get cut back in a hurry if the Bucs want a winning season.
October 22nd, 2018 at 12:05 am
If JAmeis doesnt throw int.. Kwon next play gets hurt..
October 22nd, 2018 at 12:16 am
I will let all of y’all keep track of the INTs. A quick look at Joe’s article shows a job well done.
Me, I’m gonna focus on the fumbles. Jamies compounds the Interception problem with his loosey goosey hands……. As a QB you need to hold on to the effing ball!!!!!!!!!!!!! Show everybody how much you care about that ball because to me it looks like you don’t even give a crap the way you hold that thing! You need to be in the hudle commanding respect of that ball because you have no right to batan eye at Brate for screwing up when you can’t hold the darn ball either!! Hold onto the ball Winston you are acting like a kid out there!!! The only reason the coaches in pee wee probably let you QB in the first place is because you were the best kid at holding the ball. Now you are a pro and you are the worst at it!!
Just get better.
October 22nd, 2018 at 12:19 am
30 years ago…come on let’s not make us older than we really are joeski…
#AintNoBluffingEyeGotTheStuffing
October 22nd, 2018 at 12:22 am
Always waiting for JW to fail…no matter what. We won.
October 22nd, 2018 at 12:29 am
It is no secret: Winston has always been, and still is, a turn over machine. The old excuse” He is only 23 years old” doesn’t fly anymore. No matter his age, this is his 4th season. He will be paid $20 million next year. For that kind of money, he should not be throwing this many interceptions, not with the receivers he has to throw to. To his credit, he did cut back on his fumbles. At this point, Winston is a good, decent, average QB, but he is not a top 10 talent, not yet anyway.
October 22nd, 2018 at 12:36 am
Either Koetter is calling plays again or Jameis just sucks. The MF can’t read the field worth a dime. And for some reason he has acquired that garbage a$$$ Byron Leftwich wind up.
October 22nd, 2018 at 12:39 am
Jameis Winston is not a QB you’d ever give a high dollar long term extension too. Period. This is year 4 and he’s still a turnover machine. It’s got nothing to do with the off he field stuff when I say that this is someone who’s better than a journeyman QB, but not by that much.
Why?
He hasnt shown the ability to protect the ball and demonstrate on the field maturity in decusion making at a high enough rate to justify elite status. At this point if he were going to be that guy – he’d be playing like it.
What to do?
Start thinking about life after Winston in 2020. They can draft his replacement next year. Or if they’d rather keep the devil they know – sign him to a lower tier contract that won’t remotely cripple the team or give them an easy way to cut him loose.
October 22nd, 2018 at 1:15 am
Winston has the skill set of a really good back up
Rudy stein on the deep ball
October 22nd, 2018 at 1:20 am
Could be worse, could be Mariota and his 2 TDS and 4 Ints this season or his 13 TDS and 15 Ints last year.
Winston threw for another 350+ yard game (garbage time?) and a rushing TD that didn’t even make the highlight reels. Smh.
OT should have never happened, hence the second int wouldn’t have occurred. be mad at the kicker who left 4 points on the floor before the end of regulation
October 22nd, 2018 at 1:21 am
Winning gets you a winning season. The Bucs won, thus they are on their way to a winning season. Just because some other team years ago won or lost has NO RELEVANCE to the 2018 Bucs.
October 22nd, 2018 at 1:39 am
franchise him, sign mcclown, tank the season, get number one pick, draft tua, bring back dungy, make dilfer QB coach, ruin tua’s career oh the possibilities are endless
October 22nd, 2018 at 1:54 am
use them both…like woodley and strock in the pre-marino days in miami with shula
October 22nd, 2018 at 2:24 am
Q for people who understand football: How much the fact that JW isn’t accurate on the deep ball effect our offensive performance overall? In 2 seasons I heard how much “taking off the top of a defense” helps. Now that we don’t have that- how does it hurt our offense, if at all?
October 22nd, 2018 at 2:57 am
I am more concerned that with JW we have no deep ball threat. He can not throw an accurate deep ball and defenses know that. With Fitz they had to respect his accuracy. Any deep ball JW throws are 50/50 and great catches by Evans or Howard, this dates back to FSU
October 22nd, 2018 at 3:46 am
We are at the point now where the coach says “protect the ball or sit on the bench”. End of story. Get tough on this or we do not win. Bottom line.
October 22nd, 2018 at 3:59 am
Give the man a decent OL……..
October 22nd, 2018 at 4:44 am
Joe, I can’t believe that you & so many others keep mentioning Jameis’ inaccuracy (especially with the deep throws) WITHOUT mentioning one key factor: HE’S CONTINUALLY GETTING OUR RECEIVERS KILLED WITH HIS OFF-TARGET PASSES. Chris Godwin took THREE brutal hits right in a row yesterday because Jameis’ throws were way off target (WAY HIGH typcially) … Godwin caught all three, but paid a heavy price you could tell. And what made it worse was everyone & their brother KNEW who the ball was going to (well, except the Browns). OJ got zapped yesterday too more than once with unnecessarily high throws. If we didn’t have the awesome receivers that we do, Jameis’ completion rate would be WAY DOWN.
His INTs are on near-record pace IMO because (1) Jameis stares down receivers much too often; (2) his accuracy is circumspect much too often; (3) he insists he can ‘thread the eye of the needle’ when coverage is tight, but doesn’t always see everything going on AROUND the eye of the needle. Being a riverboat gambler is fine, IF it’s your money you’re playing with. In Jameis’ case, he’s playing with the house money, and needs to start protecting it better.
October 22nd, 2018 at 4:46 am
Joe you must feel the exact same way I do… that this game aged me ten years because 1988 was only 30 years ago. No proof reader huh?
October 22nd, 2018 at 5:41 am
Fitzpatrick has the rough Steelers half and the joes called it a “disaster”. When we all know Godwin dropped two in the end zone and had the fumble which lost the game .
Jameis played yesterday like he had never played football in his life. He is now running for first downs (which DB55 thinks is heroic ) because he doesn’t trust his own arm. The joes called it “a mixed bag”
There is a double standard for one player here . And it’s the most important player in the team . The defense played good . The browns won that game for us. I just don’t get what you people see. The offense is not conservative now. Same guy calling the shots. It’s jameis people. Yah. He can move ball between 20’s. No doubt. Yes he has a good 15/25 yard pass. And it stops there. Fitzpatrick was chucking the ball down field and is good at reading the defense and going to best matchup while getting the ball out quickly . Jameis has made up who he is throwing the ball to before it is even snapped
The journalist on other sites and Tampa bay times are wondering what is going on with Jameis. Has he regressed. Why is he doing same mistakes year after year.
Not here though. When he has a bad game it’s just he didn’t play his best. When he throws a pass , it’s described as a “laser”. I think I have become a hater cause of this site. Never seen so many guys want to toss a mans sala_
October 22nd, 2018 at 5:41 am
Yup mine didn’t go thru and won’t.
October 22nd, 2018 at 5:46 am
Db55
It funny you call McCoy a softie and rip him to shreds when he doesn’t show up for a game
But make every excuse In the book for Jameis when he doesn’t show up for a game
Bwtfdik
There is a double standard for one player here and he is the most important player on this team ; that looked like he never played football in his life yesterday. I mean he ran for 55 yards cause he doesn’t trust his own arm anymore
October 22nd, 2018 at 5:54 am
Funny you mentioned Testeverde and the 88 Bucs Joe as the game yesterday was a lot like one of those 4 epic games the Bucs played that year against Detroit and pre Favre Green Bay; all ugly wins by the 5-11 Bucs who would select Broderick Thomas in the 89 draft while 4-12 Detroit got Barry Sanders the 4 win Chiefs got Derreck Thomas and the ATL got some guy named Deion Sanders right before the Bucs picked 6th at 3, 4, 5 respectively. Only team that got burned worse than Tampa that draft was Green Bay who selected Tony Mandarich at 2. This Bucs Browns game sure looked like one of those Buc Lions Packer scrimmage in a race to 10 losses. I hope the 2018 Bucs steady the ship and do not end up picking right behind the Browns with a top 10 draft pick in April…….
October 22nd, 2018 at 6:14 am
@ defense rules
You have hit the nail on the head on ball placement and leading receivers into
danger. Also Hump is not as dependable a receiver when he leaves his feet,but Jameis threw a pass to him on deeper route where he had to adjust to ball in the air unnecessarily. This was a penalty aided victory we were lucky to get.
To his credit Jameis has worked on his fitness and has become more of a threat in the running game but, we should expect well thrown passes from a “fourth year Quarterback”.
D1 made a great point about a sports psychologist for Jameis,it is time for Bucs
to take action on this. IMO ,Jameis is unraveling a little bit at a time and needs to get his MoJo back in the passing game.
October 22nd, 2018 at 6:50 am
Tampa running game is bad we need to pick up Bell bad
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:09 am
Bob in Valrico… Actually of a sports psychologist I think Jameis needs a better QB coach. Bajakian has been with him from the beginning and we’re STILL seeing many of the same issues with Jameis. At what point do folks start looking at Jameis QB coach and ask what should be a very obvious question … ‘Why does Jameis keep making the same faux pas game after game?’ Or maybe ‘Has Jameis tuned you out Mike?’
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:13 am
Even if this is as good as Winston ever gets, he’s probably still in the top 15 in the league, which means he’s probably here long term. Can’t see the Bucs gambling on an uncertain first round draft prospect anytime soon when they have the known quantity of a decent starter already on the roster and still young.
Get him a decent kicker and improved defense and he’s still a playoff QB with these weapons.
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:16 am
All Jameis jock riders are going to get out of this article is:
“Manning?? Rodgers?? FAVRE??? Jameis is elite!!!”
smh
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:18 am
Bob … Silly computer. Should’ve read ‘Actually INSTEAD of a sport psychologist’ but I’m sure you figured that out right off the bat. My underlying belief is that Jameis has all the physical skills necessary to be a top-tier QB in this league, but he’s sooo competitive that he can’t help himself … he just can’t seem to be able to talk himself into giving up on a play (even when it hurts the team). Some of his fundamentals REALLY suck (too loosey-goosey with the football at times, throwing high way too often when it’s NOT necessary, etc). He seems to have good ‘view’ of the field, UNTIL he LOCKS On to someone, and then kiss it off. If I was one of his receivers, he & I would be having a looong talk because I’d be adverse to getting killed by headhunters after being ‘stretched out’ coming down with yet another high ball.
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:19 am
Hey DB55
If Jamies could hit the long ball TD DJax
And no need to win with the kicker
So the Awesome QB leaves it in the Kicker to win
Y’all same the same over and over
Coaches fault
Receivers fault
Kickers fault
Waterboys fault
Please Jamies Fans give me facts to show fans should stand behind Jamies
And it has to be more than he threw 300 yards
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:24 am
And….here is another scary stat….our opponents have thrown exactly 1 interception to us in 6 games……1…….
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:41 am
Did we win the freaking game?! “Bucs fans” are never happy. Too stupid to know what they want. Last week, “Screw stats. Win games”. Today, “We won the game but, Jameis… blah blah blah.
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:54 am
The Bucs offense
13 turnovers in 15 quarters
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:09 am
Sometimes wins are ugly. It isn’t always evidence the team is doomed.
If the kicker doesn’t leave 4pts on the field, the Bucs coast to win in regulation and Jameis’ numbers go down as decent and nothing to worry about.
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:11 am
@clarence
If Winston could hit a wide open deep pass to djax.
Left 6 points off the board.
But just like FSU homers always blaming something else.
The kicker the defense the coaches. How about hit a gosh dang deep ball like a number 1 pick and franchise QB is supposed to do.
Nope. He CANT DO IT.
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:12 am
TBBF … Only 1 INT in 6 games is actually about on average for us (yet it still sucks huh). Hard to get INTs though when opposing QBs have lots of time to set up, AND defenders play so far off. Looks like they played more aggressively yesterday, so maybe that’ll turn around in the future. Or not …
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:15 am
He is what he’s always been…..This team will have to be completely rebuilt to accommodate Winston. All financial resources, draft picks, etc will need to go to a stout defense and insane run game. That’s going to mean letting some of the offensive guys go. Jackson is a no brainer….Probably one TE. This all assumes the players stand behind Winston. My opinion is the players respect him because they have to. They know he’s the teams biggest investment and they don’t want to rock the boat. Koetter coming out to the media stating Winston didn’t even run the play that was called which led to the big sack in overtime….that’s a bit telling. Winston’s response/expression to the media knowing that…..also telling. There’s a sense coaches, players, etc are growing tired of covering for a guy that is obviously much more hype then results.
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:18 am
Crazed
Same argument
Jamies Fans when we lose. Oh Jamies had great stats
When we when and he looks like S. Oh we won
Can’t have it both ways either
By the way Erwin because if the kicker who redeemed his 4 points
Jamies left 6 and had to have the kicker win it for him
Blind Crab Loving Uber Loving Jamies Fans
Jamies is supposed to be Elite and in 4years he isn’t top 15
REALLY
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:24 am
People need to accept that Winston will never be a Brady or Brees who can dig an inept team out of a hole all on his own.
He can and will be a solid starter, who can function at playoff level when the right pieces are around him.
He’s STILL better than anything we’ve had at qb in a 15 years so there’s no way the front office walks away from him while he has a pulse. Especially not for some unproven draftee.
Sorry guys.
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:28 am
I just really want to reality check you guys who are freaking out about Winston like he’s some kind of McCown-level scrub. It’s just not the case. He’d start on a lot of teams in the NFL, not just here.
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:29 am
Just pump the breaks on the ol panicbus fellas
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:52 am
Defense files…great observations.
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:55 am
Defense rules.. D autocorrect.
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:01 am
So would you rather play with a QB that is going to put you in a position to have your head taken off most every play, or would you rather play for one that is going to throw on the money moving away from defenders, and in stride? I guess it depends how long you want to play and how much money you want to earn…simple question…right?
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:02 am
I have never seen a quarterback and the NFL at the age of 24 should be a hall of fame quarter back by now . Djax drop a deep ball that hit him in his arms. He threw a deep pass to Evans as well and to Howard. But who cares about a deep ball Tom Brady dink and dunk most of his games . I’m sick and tired of the Ryan Fizpatrick is better or y’all think he’s a great quarter back now . He had 2 good season out of a 14 year career . I know every quarterback had bad games before. How many bad games fizpatrick have had .
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:07 am
Does anyone happen think maybe when you throw the ball every play and the other team knows that it increases the odds of throwing interceptions?
Gobucs Says:
October 22nd, 2018 at 8:11 am
@clarence
If Winston could hit a wide open deep pass to djax.
Left 6 points off the board.
But just like FSU homers always blaming something else.
The kicker the defense the coaches. How about hit a gosh dang deep ball like a number 1 pick and franchise QB is supposed to do.
Nope. He CANT DO IT.
So I guess we are just going to ignore the ball that hit Djax right in the hands in the endzone that he dropped right?
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:10 am
I agree with DEFENSE RULES. It’s amazing that his ball placement hasn’t gotten someone’s ribs broken. And you would think he would accidentally hit Jackson on a deep one once in a while. Her seems to decide where he is going with the ball when he comes to the line.
I really wanted him to be the guy but it’s just not good enough for a fourth year QB. If this were his first year, I would be encouraged but it just hasn’t changed.
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:13 am
ATrain Says:
October 22nd, 2018 at 7:19 am
Hey DB55
If Jamies could hit the long ball TD DJax
And no need to win with the kicker
So the Awesome QB leaves it in the Kicker to win
Y’all same the same over and over
Coaches fault
Receivers fault
Kickers fault
Waterboys fault
Please Jamies Fans give me facts to show fans should stand behind Jamies
And it has to be more than he threw 300 yards
– Easy he hit DJax in the hands in the endzone for a TD, DROP!
– He hit OJ in the hands on 3rd down for about a 15-20 yard gain that could have put the game away, DROP!
– He lead the team in rushing cause we CANNOT run the ball.
– He lead us on not one but two game winning drives!
– He kept multiple plays alive that should have been losses only to see us get first downs.
We won the game which is what everyone has been asking for and it is now not good enough. Last week his stats were great and we didn’t win so he was horrible. This week we win and stats matter. Just face facts you will never be happy with what he does so you might as well find a new team till he is gone and destroying us with his next team, cause that is what all of you seem to want so badly.
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:14 am
We will not achieve our goals with the amount of turnovers we have and the lack rushing touchdowns. JW is a almost… almost a guaranteed 2 turnovers per game lock whether it is a fumble or a interception. The BUCS defense has zero to do with it’s offensive turnovers. We average 1.7 turnovers per game, which is 30th place. Here are the teams at the bottom with us: NYG @ 1-5, Oak @ 1-5, Jax @ 3-4, SF @ 1-6. This is not the company of playoff contenders. Atl, Carolina, NO are not averaging a single turnover per game. The BUCS defense has zero to do with JW’s turnovers.
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:19 am
Lots of hate for Winston…..suppose it comes with the territory. However, give me Winston for the long run and I will take my chances. If you look at the game yesterday and Howard makes the catch on third down late or field goal is made at end of regulation….narrative is totally different on his game….right? Story would have been about either running out the clock and/or leading game winning drive as time expired. He is what he is right now….a good not elite NFL QB with upside. He is always going to have that Farve like quality to his game and it will hurt sometimes but when are folks going to talk about a QB who has ZERO run game to take some heat off. I think we become one dimensional at the end of games and the scouting is too good these days to be one dimensional and be consistent even with the pass weapons we have.
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:32 am
Oh wow Djax dropped on ball that he should’ve caught.
How many times has Winston missed him wide as s open since last season.
Hypocrisy. You cherry pick on play Djax should’ve caught but ignore the multiple times he’s wide open and Winston over throws him.
Ofcourse it’s all Djax fault. Never Winston’s fault. Never has done anything Wrong. He’s always perfect to you blind homers.
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:34 am
Winston being Winston.
An overmatched Browns team nearly got handed a win.
Winston creating drama and bailing himself out with athleticism after missing open throws and giving up the ball.
It’s shocking how consistently inconsistent he is.
He may be brilliant and then crumble from possession to possession.
It’s got to be crazy making for the coaches.
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:39 am
DR
about time you said something smart….lol….as ive been saying for years, its coaching……
smitty was killing the defense and the players….he’s gone and we play better
dirk continues to go turtle and coach scared…..
Winston hasn’t progressed under the QB coach…..
warhop and the ST coach needs to take a look at in the mirror……
these players lack competent coaching…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:43 am
America’s Great Turnover Machine
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:52 am
When the Bucs fired Lovie
I said they should have fired the ENTIRE coaching staff
But this smart, intelligent front office kept half of the coaching staff
They even promoted the OC to Head Coach
These are the Bucs
October 22nd, 2018 at 9:58 am
Cut Winston
October 22nd, 2018 at 10:10 am
It really comes down to one question when looking at this game. Is Jameis the “guy”?
Mistakes abound every Sunday from all teams. In OT with the game on the line, do you unequivocally trust Jameis?! If you are not sure, can you be sure he’s the guy?!
Many mistakes were made in this game from an offensive unit that should be lighting people up.
Oh, we desperately need a RG! Desperately!
October 22nd, 2018 at 10:25 am
The questionable sack when Dotson went false start mode and the the Bucs expected a flag and no flag was thrown and got JW thrown to the ground
October 22nd, 2018 at 10:30 am
DR
Great takes this morning. Yesterday was a tale of two halves.
Pre game I really didn’t think the defense was gonna be much better. In the first half, they were something to be proud of. It was the Browns, but we actually made stops and broke up passes and looked like an NFL level defense.
There were times yesterday when I actually thought, well JW made the right play there..good on him. Then there were the passes you referenced, and he IS gonna get someone killed. ME’s first catch was so typical..had to contort, gets hammered, then that hand goes up in the air..gotta come out. Thank goodness he always manages to get back in, so far.
The INT’s were terrible. These weren’t tipped or the receivers fault, just dumb throws. I don’t think it will ever be coached out of him, and will be the last straw for some organization one day.
It was a win, but only the Bucs could make it feel like something less..
October 22nd, 2018 at 10:35 am
Winstons in the air time on the run and dive TD was special determination.
October 22nd, 2018 at 3:18 pm
I’m with Ndog. I think Jameis is headed for the hall of fame, but he has to stop the stupid plays. The fumble was a blind side hand swipe. As long as we have mediocre to poor oline play, there’s going to be some sack fumbles. I’d settle for no more stupid fumbles. The interceptions, though, were pure Jameis, throws right to a defender he doesn’t see.
Still, of the new group of 12 starting QBs, Luck, Prescott, Carr, Mariota, Goff, Wentz, Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Winston and Mahomes about a third (4/12) will join Ponder, Manuel, Lynch, Kizer, Manziel, Griffen III and Hackenburg in the out-of-the-league or barely-holding-on-to-a-backup spot.
About a third will join the Bradford, McCown, Bridgewater in the placeholders-until-we-draft-a-new-franchise-QB or quality-backup category.
About a third are headed for the HOF or near miss HOF category, what we call a franchise quarterback, someone who plays for years or even a career for a team. Mahomes sure looks great, but a lot of guys have one great year and then the league catches up to them. Goff and Wentz are playing for savant level coaches and franchises that have gone all-in for a near term shot at the championship. Will they still be great once defenses figure out their coaching savants and their spend now worry about it later approach?
Mariota, Carr and Prescott are all leading candidates to join the first two groups, and none of the first year guys are playing much better than Deshone Kizer did last year. Still, they’ll be given a few years (like Jameis was) unless they really prove they can’t do it.
So many people here want to ditch Winston, but some teams go literally decades without a true franchise QB. How many franchises have never, ever had a top shelf QB, a Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Bradshaw, Baugh, Unitas, Montana, Starr, Warner type QB. We had Testaverde and Williams, but the former played during a time when we had 14 straight seasons with 10 or more losses and Williams only played for us for 5 years. He took us to the playoffs three times in five seasons and later won a super bowl with the Redskins, so he’s gotta be rated the closest thing we ever had to a franchise QB. Brad Johnson did great things with us, but he was at the end of his career and was viewed as a game manager. Personally, I think he was underrated, but he still can’t be considered a franchise QB.
So, if we had one guy in 50 years, who was only here for 5 years, how easy do you think it’ll be to find another one. I like the chance of Winston not making the two stupid plays a game over the chance that we can find another guy capable of doing what Winston does the other 58-78 plays a game.
October 22nd, 2018 at 3:55 pm
gambelero
“I like the chance of Winston not making the two stupid plays a game over the chance that we can find another guy capable of doing what Winston does the other 58-78 plays a game”
If it were only two plays a game..maybe.
How long do you give him to grow out of this?
October 22nd, 2018 at 6:55 pm
wow jamis did his job and all I hear is bla bla bla from you idiots the coach is the problem get your head out of you asses and get real , get rid of jamis and get who whoooooooooooooooooooooooooo you bunch of idiots dirt Has got to gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo