Football Super Genius/Turnover Machine
October 19th, 2018
Yes, Jameis Winston may have four interceptions in just six quarters of play this season, but he’s still a true football genius, Dirk Koetter explained tonight.
The head coach was glowing about Jameis’ astute awareness and football IQ on the Buccaneers Radio Network.
And if you listened to Koetter talk about America’s Quarterback, you’d realize how frustrated Koetter must be by Jameis repeatedly complementing his strong play with dangerous mistakes.
“I think the thing about Jameis is that people don’t understand is that he really sees the field well. I mean Jameis, anytime when he comes off the field, he can tell you exactly what he sees and what the defense was doing and he is very, very accurate,” Koetter said.
“That is something that is so underrated as a quarterback. Instead of just going back and going through his progression, I mean, he sees it pre-snap and he sees it during the play.
“His accuracy has improved so much over the last couple of years. And that fact [is] he led the league in the preseason at 80 percent completion. You know, the majority of Jameis’ issues turnoverwise are just decision-making, you know, making a decision that maybe is a decision that didn’t need to be made in that particular time of the game. But other than that, his accuracy and his seeing the defense and knowing what to do based on what the defense is doing, I think that’s where he’s taken the biggest jump [in improvement].”
So there you have it. Jameis reads defenses like a superstar and has all the accuracy a quarterback could need.
It’s just those darn decisions that lead to turnovers, which Jameis produces at an alarming rate.
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October 19th, 2018 at 9:17 pm
Franchise QB, to bad this town is to racist to see pass the bigotry. This dude is the best player on the squad.
October 19th, 2018 at 9:23 pm
Sure Dirk… whatever you say. And… Chris Conti is the smartest and best safety in the NFL except for the missed tackles and stiff arms that he takes.
October 19th, 2018 at 9:38 pm
Couldn’t agree more. Just tighten up on the risky throws, don’t force anything, and it’s ok to get rid of it for another down.
Jameis is a great quarterback with a potentially elite skill set. So long as his decision making and execution are in line we are in store for a great QB.
October 19th, 2018 at 9:40 pm
Jameis played great Sunday, funny NO ONE mentions that FITZ 100% lost the Steelers game. A pick 6, overthrows Evans by 10 yards, Pick, another pick in the red zone and EVERYONE MAKES EXCUSES FOR HIM. “Oh we almost won, FITZ came back in the 2nd half”! Really!!! If Jameis did that and “almost won” he would have been DESTROYEDBY U NUT BALL FANS!! This TEAM HAS NO D AND U BLAME JAMEIS! Quit buying in to Rick Stroud “total turnover stat”! He is in love w DJAX because he went to his home and interviewed him. This local media is Pathetic!! Jameis will NEVER WIN IN THIS Town
October 19th, 2018 at 9:46 pm
What!…
How’s it possible that a 24 year old QB has an issue with turnovers…Maybe we should ran the football more an not ask him to throw the football 50 times a game…Or maybe we should stop somebody and not fall behind 21-0 in the first quarter…. Jameis is far from perfect but at such a young age he’s also not at all a finished product..
The Bucs problems are bigger than Jameis… Ownership, front-office, and coaching are imo bigger issues…
October 19th, 2018 at 10:03 pm
2 picks and a fumble this week. Guaranteed.
October 19th, 2018 at 10:03 pm
Koetter what???? Lol
Koetter maybe if you taught him to make better decisions within the scheme maybe it will cut down.
Me personally I don’t have no issues with his turnovers. If he is like 28 years old or older yeah or on a better team then yeah but logic says JW is a top 5 Qb on the worse defense ever assembled.
You better be lucky Koetter u didn’t get a Rosen, Truibusky, or even a Josh Allen as your top rookie pick.
October 19th, 2018 at 10:05 pm
Onebuc
Well damn. I said the same thing as you
October 19th, 2018 at 10:34 pm
@Lamarcus…
Yep, Just tired of people nitpicking a 24 year old QB about turnovers…Stop BS’ing and Beef up the Offensive line, fix the running game, and the defense and Jameis will be fine…Not even Brady or Brees threw this much at 24…
October 19th, 2018 at 10:35 pm
Koetter definitely towing the Jason Licht company line.
Winston has done absolutely nothing as a Buc to show that he is a football genius despite all of the PR rhetoric. And there was actually a post recently talking about how Winston can’t always find the open reciever and tries to force the ball to somebody that is covered.
Football genius? Nope. Just hype
October 19th, 2018 at 10:41 pm
Give my man an average defense he will take care of the rest
October 19th, 2018 at 10:59 pm
yawn…..one of the posers….
October 19th, 2018 at 11:05 pm
You see, Jameis is really accurate, except when he’s not accurate. Then he isn’t.
October 19th, 2018 at 11:07 pm
Oh and he’s really aware of what he should do, he just decides not to do it sometimes and, well you know, turnovers.
October 19th, 2018 at 11:09 pm
Upgrade your O/line play and you will see the GENIUS!!
October 19th, 2018 at 11:25 pm
I’m tired of the Winstonites downplaying his turnovers. It is the most telling stat in football. You lose the turnover battle you will most likely lose the game. The defense is separate issue. He’s been turning it over since his FSU days. It’s in his DNA.
October 19th, 2018 at 11:31 pm
58% – 60% – 63% to now currently 75% completion rating. He’s gotten more accurate each year he’s been in the league.
Homer don’t play like that though…..out in Brooksville..in the woods. He sees nothing but innaccuracy except when he’s accurate. Whatever that means.
October 19th, 2018 at 11:37 pm
@Grt1
In my experience, it is usually bigots who always bring up race and see racist boogymen everywhere. Be better than that.
October 19th, 2018 at 11:49 pm
Koetter says, “… he really sees the field well.”, “… he can tell you exactly what he sees and what the defense was doing and he is very, very accurate”, “… he sees it pre-snap and he sees it during the play.”.
And then Koetter says, “… the majority of Jameis’ issues turnoverwise are just decision-making…”
Sounds like gobbledy-gook, coach.
If he sees what the defense is (pre-snap no less), and is “very, very accurate”, then what is the explanation for his throws at a double-covered receiver when another receiver is open? Everyone knows that a defense can’t double-cover *all* of the receivers, and Koetter is saying that Winston knows (pre-snap) who should be free. Is this his way of throwing Winston under the bus, without looking like he’s driving it?
This was a very poorly worded conversation from Koetter. I have supported Koetter, but something is not right.
And I’m surprised that Joe wasn’t smart enough to catch it.
October 20th, 2018 at 12:03 am
Hard not to force when your defense can’t stop anyone. He knows he has to score on pretty much every drive.
October 20th, 2018 at 12:11 am
Jameis’ problem is that he feels like he has to win the game. He can’t leave any points on the field which leads him to unnecessary risks. He’ll force a play because he doesn’t trust the D. He’s not entirely wrong although I am curious to see what happens this week.
October 20th, 2018 at 12:13 am
When your defense can’t stop the other team from scoring, that’s the *last* time you should be “forcing” the ball. The Bucs have unarguably, the best ‘group’ of receivers in the league. The second/third/fourth guy has what it takes to move the chains, or score. Forcing the ball, under those circumstances, is like playing Russian-roulette with a fully loaded gun.
October 20th, 2018 at 1:06 am
I stopped reading when Koetter said that Jameis was 80% in the ‘Preseason’
Against future UPS drivers. Right Joe?
October 20th, 2018 at 1:51 am
“He led the league in preseason” – the best encapsulation of Jameis’ career to date.
October 20th, 2018 at 2:08 am
Greg…and what problems do you have?
Just curious or are you a now a toned down Jameis-Hater?
This fanbase in this small market area…..rolling my eyes.
October 20th, 2018 at 2:13 am
Filter every single one of us.
That’s um a good idea…
Perhaps it might be.
I think you’re wrong….and whoever filters us needs to get a life.
Now I know why I’m seeing less and less of the regular posters on here….daily.
You’re filtering us out. DUMB.
October 20th, 2018 at 2:21 am
SB Says:
“I stopped reading when Koetter said that Jameis was 80% in the ‘Preseason’
Against future UPS drivers. Right Joe?”
THIS IS WHERE THE JBF COMMENTS SECTION IS LEFT AT, AND THE ONE BELOW HIM.
Can you say SHEEP Joe? Right Joe? UPS drivers right Joe? Huh Joe? Which way did he go George…I mean Joe.
NO rebuttal from the CENSORED. REALLY? From us Winston supporters? Just the JBF sheep huh?
WOW this is what this site has become. Okay.
October 20th, 2018 at 2:33 am
Everybody’s a racist …smh ..So if you criticize Jameis you are a racist?
What if Jameis was white, and his life mirrored the real Jameis’s life and people were dissatisfied with his play and commented on it the same way they comment now. Would you call them racist? Of course not. It’s become acceptable and used as a way to shame people for speaking about him because he’s black. I think people who are quick to call people racist because they are talking about someone who is black are worse. They themselves come across as racist. Al Sharpton makes a living at that. I am Haitian and my skin is as dark as ebony. I’m blessed to have received a great education when my parents moved here when I was a 10. America is a great place. I found early on here in the US that some black people who are quick to accuse white people of racism don’t like white people anyway. That is the definition of racism. The other day I commented on Jameis’s decision making and was called a racist. Me a racist?
October 20th, 2018 at 4:00 am
Jameis scored slightly above average on the Wonderlic I believe, and about three times as high as the Jameis haters had predicted he would….
but Jameis is prone to bad decisions on and off the field. He KNOWS the right thing to do, but he thinks he can get away with doing the crazy thing! He’s not a bad guy, he does mean well on and off the field, great competitor and all of those things…
…he just needs to probably see a psychotherapist! He gets some sort of weird surge of dopamine that sucks him into the thrill of risky behavior.
If he can fix that problem and also learn to leverage his forearm instead of just his shoulder in his throwing motion (so he can make quicker, shorter throws), then he would rank with the best QBs in the game today.
October 20th, 2018 at 5:05 am
@Joe … “It’s just those darn decisions that lead to turnovers, which Jameis produces at an alarming rate.” Kudos once again Joe, you certainly know how to stir the pot. And what makes it even more impressive is that it’s ALWAYS the SAME TWO POTS: either Jameis OR the Bucs’ defense.
Some JBFers lose all perspective when the subject of EITHER comes up. In Jameis’ case, Bucs have invested a BUNCH to this point, AND we took a HUUGE gamble when we drafted him with our hard-earned (2-14?) #1 pick. Why? Three reasons: (1) He ONLY had TWO years of college ball under his belt; (2) he was ONLY 20 years old; and (3) he had a reputation for making some bad decisions OFF the field. And why was that COMBINATION a gamble? Simple: WE expected him to be the savior (and thus LEADER?) of a really bad 2-14 team with a history of making some really bad personnel decisions (coaches AND players). Another year at the helm of Florida State would’ve made a world of difference IMO in allowing Jameis to mature BEFORE being promoted to the enviable status of “SAVIOR OF THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS”.
What could possibly go wrong with a scenario like that? Jameis is taking time to mature as a NFL QB AND as a TEAM LEADER … what’s the big surprise there? More importantly, the Bucs are STILL making bad personnel decisions (coaches AND players). So many JBFers (and Joe himself) whine about ‘No running game’ and ‘No kicking game’ and ‘No defense’. Wah, wah, wah. GUESS WHAT! THOSE are the BAD PERSONNEL DECISIONS that the Bucs have been making year after year after year. Expecting any ONE player to SAVE US is maybe a bit naive? Ain’t gonna happen. Not until we build a real TEAM with quality starters & key rotational players PLUS some quality DEPTH. We’re not even close at this point creating a real TEAM capable of winning consistently, year in and year out.
And Jean Lafitte … THANK YOU. I’m personally disgusted that so many rush to judgment nowadays and diminish THEMSELVES by labeling others as racists. Was privileged in the military and elsewhere to work with & to lead thousands of young men & women from every race on the face of this earth, and I’ll say one thing … I could’ve have been prouder of each and every one of them. We’re ALL brothers & sisters in our Father’s eyes folks, so start acting like it.
October 20th, 2018 at 5:22 am
@grt1
Lmao what a moron. The ol you’re a racist if you don’t agree lol.
Typical liberal.
October 20th, 2018 at 6:21 am
Thumbs up for Jean Lafitte
October 20th, 2018 at 6:23 am
Thins up Jean Lafitte
October 20th, 2018 at 6:25 am
AS a coach or manager its a good idea to focus on both positive and
negative when evaluating performance. If everything you say is negative then
the message will most likely fall on deaf ears. Koetter has done this. The
puzzle still remains why Jameis has these instances of bad decisionmaking.
Some might be trying to throw to a favorite receiver or a desire to throw to a receiver that is well covered because they are playmakers. Jameis can not afford to take this gamble because of higher chance of failure.
Last weeks game plan IMO, was designed to get Jameis into to the flow of game early
and playing at a higher level of confidence. There still seems to be a mix of
nerves and possible lack of confidence at times in his ability to execute certain plays. Hope he learns to put it all together , because I don’t expect this defense to be much better just because Smitty was fired. There still are
a lot of young players that seem lost out there. Once again Licht has tried to fix the defense with free agency with little to show for it.
October 20th, 2018 at 6:44 am
@Jean and Defense
Ok, no. Not everyone who doesn’t like Jameis is a racist. That’s obviously not true. But lets not sit here and pretend like Bucs fans are a bunch of MENSA affiliates.
There are a good portion of the haters out there that have a great deal of prejudice against Jameis and never give him even the slightest bit of credit when he plays well. Even if he plays perfectly they just stay silent for a while.
Or when he has a performance like this last one that was outstanding in every regard save 2 unlucky mistakes (worth mentioning that on both picks both Djax and Godwin were interfered with plain as day) they still bash him relentlessy.
Go back and look at what posters like Robert, Atrain, Alteredego and Trex and others were saying about Fitzpatrick’s game against the Steelers, then compare it to their recent comments about Jameis. Fitz played objectively worse with out a doubt, yet they still heaped praise on him.
October 20th, 2018 at 7:14 am
Bob,
You pose an interesting question. Bad decision making is not something that is confined to the field in Jameis’ s case. Maybe the answer is finding a professional in the field of mental health to work with him. A sports psychologist may be able to help but in this case it’s apparent that the problem is not limited to his job performance.
Maybe it’s as simple as holding him accountable for bad decisions on the field by sitting him a series or two. Jameis has had enablers surrounding him since High school and kids with an entitlement mentality tend to become adults with issues.
It’s obvious that Jameis loves the game and loves his teammates. Maybe taking that away briefly , sitting a series, helps Jameis mature into the player and man we all want to see.
It’s a very good question and I think at this point the answer may be outside the norm for nfl teams in this situation. The team wants him to succeed, so why not do or try everything possible to help him succeed. There’s no downside and the upside is huge.
October 20th, 2018 at 7:17 am
That’s exactly what ignorant people do….when the heat is on they make mistakes. Their brains are wired that way.
October 20th, 2018 at 7:51 am
Still think we would be better with Mariota?
The Titans rank dead last in the NFL in offensive touchdowns this season, 30th in points per game, 30th in total yards and 29th in passer rating.
Jameis still has a little ways to go and is not perfect but he is making big time strides in every area of his game. If you can’t see it, it doesn’t seem like you are watching.
October 20th, 2018 at 8:04 am
SB says “I stopped reading when Koetter said that Jameis was 80% in the ‘Preseason’ Against future UPS drivers.”
You are entitled to your opinion, SB, but if you haven’t noticed.. he is 80% for the regular season so far too. Just saying.
October 20th, 2018 at 8:22 am
Jean Lafitte Says:
October 20th, 2018 at 2:33 am
Everybody’s a racist …smh ..So if you criticize Jameis you are a racist?
What if Jameis was white, and his life mirrored the real Jameis’s life and people were dissatisfied with his play and commented on it the same way they comment now. Would you call them racist? Of course not. It’s become acceptable and used as a way to shame people for speaking about him because he’s black. I think people who are quick to call people racist because they are talking about someone who is black are worse. They themselves come across as racist. Al Sharpton makes a living at that. I am Haitian and my skin is as dark as ebony. I’m blessed to have received a great education when my parents moved here when I was a 10. America is a great place. I found early on here in the US that some black people who are quick to accuse white people of racism don’t like white people anyway. That is the definition of racism. The other day I commented on Jameis’s decision making and was called a racist. Me a racist?
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+ + a “bejillion”, or at least the Mega Millions number.
I have absolutely agreed with all of your posts here @ JBF that I can remember, but this is absolutely the BEST! But now that I know you have B L A C K skin, I will have to start disagreeing with you, since I am such a racist. LMAO.
Thank you and a hat tip to you , sir!
tickrdr
October 20th, 2018 at 8:24 am
When will the defense be held accountable?75% of the Tampa fanbase knows well that the defense is the one costing us games. The offense can only do so much. How can you expect the QB to win games if he has to beat 2 defenses every Sunday?
October 20th, 2018 at 8:29 am
Tampa Bay Demon Says:
October 20th, 2018 at 8:04 am
……………………………………..if you haven’t noticed.. he is 80% for the regular season so far too. Just saying.
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I DID notice that in the game vs. ATL, and that is why I gave him a “B” grade overall for his performance. That was his best game as far as hitting some of the receivers in stride etc., but still most of the completions are on curls, or comeback routes (straight-line passes), resulting in little or no YAC. And he threw two interceptions.
tickrdr
October 20th, 2018 at 8:34 am
With ya tickrdr, and understood. — Definitely still some strides needed to be made for Jameis in those areas, but I like what I am seeing in his overall demeanor on the field, and hoping he can get there!
October 20th, 2018 at 8:36 am
Lets not place the race card with Jameis. If I recall there were a couple of Buc first rounders named Vinny Testaverde and Trent Dilfer that both had issues not scoring touchdowns in the red zone and throwing interceptions. Both of them faced similar criticism from the print media at the time before the internet.
Jameis has had more readers stick up for him than Testaverde or Dilfer ever had. Neither were black.
When you say Winston is hitting stationary targets, making turnovers, not giving his guys YAC opportunities, missing on the long ball, not seeing open guys, these comments are not about race, they are about football.
October 20th, 2018 at 8:49 am
It’s obvious if Dirk stays he keeping JW – seems to me those two and the GM are all tied together –
Can’t blame JW for ATL 395/4TD first start of the season on the road with NO D for 75% of the game- he knows he must score nearly every drive
11 games left on the interview, SIMPLE AS THAT!
October 20th, 2018 at 8:57 am
WOW……………..just wowed by Koettters comments
80% accuracy in preseason……………….this comment right here is the reason why Koetter should be fired———–he should know better
Then the comments about how Jameis sees the field…………..
You know, there are so many things wrong here with what Koetter said.
Here’s what he should’ve said very simply:
“Jameis is one of the smartest football players I’ve ever been around, but he’s a very poor decision maker when he steps on and off the field.”
……..that’s it!
October 20th, 2018 at 8:58 am
@SchwiftyBuc … “There are a good portion of the haters out there that have a great deal of prejudice against Jameis and never give him even the slightest bit of credit when he plays well. Even if he plays perfectly they just stay silent for a while.”
Schwifty, you mean kinda like ‘haters’ (your word, not mine) who say the SAME THINGS about GMC? Or about Chris Conte? Or about Chris Baker when he was here? Or about JR Sweezy? Funny thing, two of those four I just mentioned were white and two were black. ‘Haters’ are ‘haters’ Schwifty … what they say says more about THEM than those they’re shooting the arrows at.
Reality is that Jameis handles the ball on every snap while on offense. That kinda makes him the FOCUS of everyone’s attention. When we win, everyone brags on the QB more than anyone else (usually). But when we lose, that same QB is STILL the focus of attention … good (sometimes); bad (more often). I’m sure your mama told you the exact same thing mine told me: “If you can’t stand the heat … (you know the rest)”.
October 20th, 2018 at 9:08 am
You are a racist if you criticize Jameis on this site. It’s true.
And I don’t get it cause these same messiah worshippers bash gmc. What is the difference. I don’t hate either player but don’t get the difference. They are both bucs so I support them.
I don’t get all the excuses for jameis. (Well except the FSU Homers). You act like he is elite and every win is because of him and every loss is because of every one else
He has 62 turnovers since entering the league. No qb has that many turnovers in the entire NFL. And he touches the football every nfl snap and sets up the coverages and makes changes at the line but “it’s not this qb’s fault”. Gimme a break. And stop with the hater talk or the Mariotta talk. Of course people root for him and want to see bucs win. He is not a top 10 bucs for me cause obvious reason and because of this sites non-stop excuse factory. Just don’t get why you can’t criticize his up and down play. Their truly is good Jameis and bad Jameis in year 4? Same mistakes
Do you know he has lost 10 of his last 11 games? That’s not good enough for #1 pick. And of course the defense stinks. Captain obvious has said that from day one. The elite qbs put their teams on their backs. Heck Fitzpatrick did it for a few games and he is a backup . And he didn’t lose the Steelers game. Everyone knows Godwin did. 2 drops in end zone and that fumble.
October 20th, 2018 at 9:09 am
Defense rules^^^*^^
Lol we just said almost identical thing
October 20th, 2018 at 9:16 am
Nothing moves the crowd better than a good ole Winston debate.
LOL
October 20th, 2018 at 9:19 am
@Defense
Big differences between the 4 players you just mentioned. J.R. was a bum who sat out a year injured and then was luke warm garbage the year he did play here and basically stole money. Every bit of criticism was deserved. Same goes for Chris Baker who was a fat, lazy, good for nothing slob while he was here, and it’s very clear that he felt good retiring off the guaranteed money we gave him seeing that he is still jobless after getting cut from the Bengals.
Chris Conte was an average safety during most of his time here. Occasionally he made a splash play, and for the most part was fine. But he also has an unfortunate track record of getting burnt for huge plays at crucial times in games, seemingly a lot more frequently than his good plays at that. So it’s obvious to see why he would be scorned by fans.
Gerald McCoy is however a stud who gets way more blame than is deserved. But McCoy is a special case. Most of the hate McCoy gets comes from other black folks like DB55, Lamarcus, and the old Nosbos. And they hate on McCoy because they think he is a soft comic book geek, and it makes them jealous that a geek is so much better an athlete/man than they are so they get salty and rage.
Jameis gets the same kind of irrational hate GMC does, but to a far more serious degree due to his sordid past. As I stated clearly, not everyone who hates on Jameis is a bigot, I would go as far as to say most aren’t. But some are. And they make themselves very obvious.
October 20th, 2018 at 9:26 am
I am a white guy who happens to be a pretty big Jameis Winston fan.
That doesn’t make me a racist, does it?
No? – Whew, that’s good!! – It’s hard to keep up with all of the rules today. 😉
October 20th, 2018 at 9:27 am
Time for “More Fun with Statistics”, which are all obtained with gratitude from the folks at profootballreference.com.
If you go to that website, and click TAM and then “boxscore” for any game, you will see that they list the offensive drives for both teams, but you have to scroll down to near the bottom of that page.
If you look at all of the games, and do the simple math, you will see that both the Bucs AND their opponents have the same number of drives = 58. Actually they listed only 57 for the opponents, but they did not count the shortest drive of them all, the pick6 vs. Pittsburgh, so both teams had 58 possessions. Note: I did not adjust for end of the half possessions, since they will tend to even out.
So, with the terrible Bucs defense, the opponents scored 22 TDs and 6 FGs, for a total of 28 scores out of 58 possessions = 48.3%. They also committed 5 turnovers out of 58 possessions = 8.6%.
The vaunted Bucs’ offense (#1 in passing yards and TDs, #2 in total yards) has scored 17 Tds and 6 FGs = 23 scores in 58 possessions = 39.6% overall. They have also had 11 turnovers (9 INTs and 2 FUM) in 58 possessions = 18.9%.
But the Bucs have had TWO different QBs play.
The “journeyman” Ryan Fitzpatrick offense scored 12 TDs and 5 FGs with 43 of those 58 possessions = 39.5%. They also had 7 turnovers (5 INTs and 2 FUM) during those 43 possessions = 16.3%.
The “messiah”, America’s Quarterback ProBowler Jameis Winston directed the last 15 possessions and scored 5 TDs and 1 FG for 6 scores = 40%. They also had 4 INTs = 26.6%.
So scoring production was similar for both QBs, but both turned the ball over more frequently than the opposing QBs, however JW3 has ended drives with an INT more than 25% of the time.
Now, everyone knows that turnovers don’t matter, but if you multiply average scoring production of 40% times the number of turnovers in the game, you can readily see how many LOST opportunities they cost. Even committing as few as our opponent (11 for us and only 5 for them) would have allowed 6 more scoring opportunities.
tickrdr
October 20th, 2018 at 9:28 am
Tua 2020
October 20th, 2018 at 9:38 am
Interesting point (and stats) Tickrdr. It’s hard to argue against the importance of turnovers.
October 20th, 2018 at 9:40 am
@Hawk:
Thank you and a hat tip to you, sir!
tickrdr
BTW: Opposing kickers have missed 2 FGs vs. only 1 for Catanzaro, though he has missed 2 EPs, and the opponents only 1.
October 20th, 2018 at 9:44 am
@Tickrdr
Whats the percentage of drives that the Bucs defense has allowed a score? Far more pressing question imo.
October 20th, 2018 at 9:48 am
Also whats the comparison of our defenses percentage as opposed to the league average.
Then compare the numbers you provided for Fitz and Jameis compared to the league average.
Just me but I think that you’ll find our QB’s to be quite a bit better than the average where our defense will be far worse than the average.
October 20th, 2018 at 9:52 am
That info is IN the above post. I know it was a long post, but if you did NOT read it, then you are on your own. Read closely, and you can see that it was 48.3% with 28 scores (22 TDs and 6 FGs) in those 58 possessions. 57 offensive drives plus the TD on the pick6 vs. Pitts.
tickrdr
October 20th, 2018 at 9:55 am
Some of you sound really stupid, I’ll just use that word since you can’t seem to tell you sound like haters
Say what you will but none of you know what Koetter knows meaning watching the freaking game isn’t the same as playing or coaching it, your not in the discussion or one the sideline or at practice. Dude sucks as a coach but I’ve never had to call him a liar
I actually want him to get 20 mil just to laugh at you all crying as if his pay comes out of your taxes. Pathetic
October 20th, 2018 at 10:06 am
It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks of Winston.
He still the 4th best QB in the division. Plain and simple.
All other QB’s in this division are better.
Anyone who disagree with that absolute FACT are these stupid FSU homers that literally think everyone from FSU is a sure fire hall of Famer.
October 20th, 2018 at 10:13 am
@D1
Couldn’t agree more especially since some form of counseling may be already in the works because of the recent UBER problem.
That said, Koetter tries to do a little of that by pointing out the good with the bad. Never really thought Koetter was a bad match for Jameis, and as far as sitting Jameis, I really thought Jameis would have a stellar game because of his layoff. I would even suggest a different QB coach in the off season. I know Jameis does not want to be a game manager. IMO the best way to avoid that is improve
deep ball placement to open up the offense and keep the defense guessing.
October 20th, 2018 at 10:17 am
He makes bad decisions both on and off the field. For that reason, Jameis will always be America’s Turnover Machine to me.
October 20th, 2018 at 10:18 am
Sure, that’s correct. And for the people standing in the corner with their underwear around their ankles working up a sweat and panting over the Bucs cutting Jameis, when your 30 seconds is over, name the quarterback the Bucs are going to get who won’t be the fourth-best quarterback in the division.
October 20th, 2018 at 10:19 am
@SchwiftyBuc:
The methodology I used to calculate those stats and percentages is also given in the above long post which you apparently did not read at all. And since you seem to be off this nice Saturday, I will leave it to you to perform the same analysis for the remaining 31 teams with 5 or 6 games played to review.
Just to help you out, I did review the Atlanta Falcons offense, and their performance to date. In 6 games this year, they have had 64 possessions, and have scored 20 TDs and 9 FGs = 29 scores in 64 possessions = 45.3%. They were 60% vs. Tampa, (4 TDs and 2 FGs), but were 70% against Cinn. (4TDs and 3 FGs), even though they did less well against PHA, NO, and PITT. Still overall more than the ~ 40% Bucs offensive scoring percentage per possession.
Good luck with the remaining 30 teams!
tickrdr
BTW#2:
Atlanta has had only 2 INTs and 2 blocked punts in their 6 games.
October 20th, 2018 at 10:26 am
4th best qb in the division is accurate but completely irrelevant, he is also the youngest at 24. It’s irrelevant to whether we should keep him or not. With drew brees, cam newton and Matt Bryant in the division how many qb’s won’t be 4th best that we could get and even if we got the top pick in the draft and got a quarterback who’s dumb enough to think that will change 3-4 years from 2019?
October 20th, 2018 at 10:36 am
@Not there yet
If Matt Bryant is one of those Quarterbacks, you are right that we have a MUCH better chance!
😉 — just playin
October 20th, 2018 at 11:08 am
Tua in 2020 Joe.
October 20th, 2018 at 11:17 am
Buc1987 Says
Altho you make some valid points about this football team I have to disagree with the following:
“This fanbase in this small market area…..rolling my eyes.”
I have to laugh when I read such stuff as Tampa being a “small market.”
The 2016-17 Nielsen ranked 210 DMA’s in the US.
Tampa ranked 11th, ahead of:
Phoenix (Prescott) (#12)
Detroit (#13)
Seattle-Tacoma (#14)
Minneapolis-St. Paul (#15)
Miami-Fort Lauderdale (#16)
Denver (#17)
Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne (#18)
Cleveland-Akron (Canton) (#19)
Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto (#20)
St. Louis (#21)
Charlotte (#22)
Pittsburgh (#23)
Raleigh-Durham (Fayetteville) (#24)
Portland, OR (#25)
Baltimore (#26)
Indianapolis (#27)
San Diego (#28)
Nashville (#29)
SO PLEASE JUST STOP
October 20th, 2018 at 11:34 am
JW will end up with at least one Super Bowl ring , whether in Tampa or not. The real problem with the Bucs is the owners are incapable of making the necessary decisions to build a winning franchise , which was proven 10 years ago when the Glazer braintrust fired Chucky after he made the playoffs. 30% of the population are unmitigated racists , so ergo 30% of JW detractors are racist.
October 20th, 2018 at 11:40 am
@joes
Well if he’s the 4th best QB in the division and it stays that way then everyone needs to really get used to the viewpoint of looking up.
October 20th, 2018 at 11:41 am
Wow..I guess defense doesnt matter
October 20th, 2018 at 11:42 am
@bucsfansimce76
Lol another “you’re a racist if you don’t worship the ground Winston walks on”
Lmao you people crack me up.
You’re an unmitigated moron that I have to share air with. It’s a shame.
October 20th, 2018 at 11:42 am
In the history of the game of this game in a qbs first 3 season Winston is 3rd in yards and 7th in tds. If you add in 2 games from this year because he missed 3 games last year he would be ranked higher in both.
October 20th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
Bucs can you gotta be kidding these offensive weapons could make Tebow look good
October 20th, 2018 at 12:03 pm
Fan*
October 20th, 2018 at 12:45 pm
I never said anything of the kind GoBucs , sorry you are so defensive about a satement that is purely about easily provable statistical facts. Perhaps that hit pretty close to home?
October 20th, 2018 at 1:17 pm
@bucsfan
Yea I’m sure it’s easliy provable that 30% of all people around here are all racists.
So prove it then smart guy.
And no it doesn’t hit home with me. I have better things to worry about than what color someone is. I couldn’t care any less about that crap. I have a family to worry about. The rest is just noise. I just find it funny that every time I see someone criticizing the messiah of QB’s the chosen one. The greatest QB to ever grace the earth. (All FSU homers) they get called a racist.
October 20th, 2018 at 1:55 pm
Buc1987 Says:
October 19th, 2018 at 11:31 pm
58% – 60% – 63% to now currently 75% completion rating. He’s gotten more accurate each year he’s been in the league.
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SHHHHHHHHHH! That would upset their narrative that he’s not accurate or can’t hit guys in stride.
Don’t wanna do that.
#FactsStillMatter
October 20th, 2018 at 2:14 pm
Koetter said Jameis is a good decision maker. Does Koetter watch film? Jameis on his 2nd pick last week had a wide open receiver under coverage but he still tries to force the throw. I am not calling for FITZ but he would have probably sen that receiver and take the check down, not Winston. Winston’s decision making leaves me puzzled. Too many turnovers at the worst times, he will never shake the turnover machine that he is.
October 20th, 2018 at 2:19 pm
Actually GoBucs it is higher around here , since we are in the South near Brooksville where the highest lynching rate in the country was proudly worn by Hernando Counties’ finest residents.
October 20th, 2018 at 5:43 pm
Yea Pat, the stiff arm he took while playing on one good leg. What a complete moron you are. How do you like the safety play since he left.
Morons like you concentrate on a couple of bad plays and put blinders on for the rest of their game. Whenever I see a person throw verbal darts at Conte I know immediately he is a complete idiot in regards to football who is relying on a few negative things he has heard in the past to base his opinion on.
October 21st, 2018 at 7:56 am
So basically Jamie’s football iq is so high, that he sees the interception he will throw, before he throws the ball. Great