Bucs Get Unexpected Gift
October 19th, 2018
Christmas in October.
The Browns, if you don’t think Bucs coach Dirk Koetter is blowing smoke, have the best rushing attack the Bucs have faced this season.
Well, today, just hours before the Browns kick off against the Bucs, they up and traded their big-time free agent pickup this offseason.
Per Adam Schefter of BSPN, Cleveland traded Carlos Hyde to the Jags (which should tell you fantasy guys about the status of brittle Leonard Fournette).
Now, if one wants to argue why the Bucs couldn’t pull off such a trade, Joe is all ears. Besides, it’s not like the Bucs have Jim Brown in the backfield.
October 19th, 2018 at 3:46 pm
The Bucs are ok when they committ to the run. Just havnt much yet. Dont think tbey need a rb. Need a new coaching staff above all.
October 19th, 2018 at 3:50 pm
The last thing Bucs need to do is trade draft picks. JPP deal was a rare gift.
If defense doesn’t turn it around with new Coordinator, next year’s draft should be spent on 2 OLinemen and the rest defensive players- they fixed offense with draft, now fix defense- don’t re- sign defensive free agents , they haven’t shown they’re worth it.
Next year they’ll have Hargreaves and Beckwith back- the 3 rookie secondary players will improve, Cichy will have a year in.. build it through the draft, just like the offense
October 19th, 2018 at 3:51 pm
Everyone of these moves reinforces the fact that the Bucs are not trying to win. They are simply trying to fulfill the minimum requirements for tv revenues.
October 19th, 2018 at 3:52 pm
I agree with you Alan
October 19th, 2018 at 3:53 pm
Why would the Browns have any interest in trading a player to a team they are about to play? Really?
October 19th, 2018 at 3:56 pm
Which means Nick Chubb will go off on us.
October 19th, 2018 at 3:56 pm
that’s bad news for us joe…..chubb and duke will be heavy featured in the game plan with GMC and curry out….
browns are going to run right at gholston, nassib and spence(if he sees the field)
damn right we should’ve traded for hyde…..should’ve signed him in FA instead of old man grimes…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
October 19th, 2018 at 4:00 pm
Start Duke Johnson on your fantasy teams everyone!!
October 19th, 2018 at 4:00 pm
Joe I have an argument for you.
For my argument I would like you to put yourself into the Glazers shoes. I will do the same.
Are you going to shell out another five million dollars to give Dirk another offensive weapon?
My answer would be a resounding NOO 👎. The readon I say no is that I have no trust that Dirk can use that five million dollars and produce any wins with it…….You mentioned Jim Brown and I honestly dont believe Dirk would win one more game if we added Jim Brown(in his prime) to Dirks team.
If you answered yes to the 5 million dollar question I would love to know why you trust that Dirk could use it to generate results……And yes, the 10 million I spent on Djax($20,000,000 now) last year would be fresh on my mind.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:01 pm
I said before the draft that I thought Nick Chubb was the best RB in the draft.
I still think he is the best rookie RB.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:05 pm
Lakeland im w you on chubb michel and guice, jason licht asleep at the wheel again, the jags and others make playoff moves and licht drafts kickers 🤔
October 19th, 2018 at 4:08 pm
Not sure you know how TV revenues are worked.
Bucs could skip an entire draft, not make one trade and not sign one free agent and would still get the same cut from TV revenue (1/32).
October 19th, 2018 at 4:15 pm
Chubb’s been better than Hyde it seems so not sure this is a good thing really.
I do have Chubb in fantasy in 2 leagues so that was cool news to read lol.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:17 pm
This is horrible news as he has easily been the worst back on their roster this year and was taking away snaps from their quality backs. Ugh
October 19th, 2018 at 4:18 pm
I hear so much about all the misses that Jason Licht has.
Seemingly there are neverending comments about all of it. Yet, it’s so rare that I hear about any success he has had.
I get that he hasn’t put up the results with wins or losses but their seems to be an attitude that Lichts player decisions have been all disaster which is not even close to accurate.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:22 pm
@JOE
I think you may have misnamed this article. The real gift was when you mentioned in the article previous to this one that Geraldine McBooty was out for Sunday.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:25 pm
Bucs could skip an entire draft, not make one trade and not sign one free agent and would still get the same cut from TV revenue (1/32).
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Exactly my point! Just field 22 players and cha ching
October 19th, 2018 at 4:26 pm
But that wasn’t your point. There is no such thing as “minimum requirements” — your words — for TV revenue.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:26 pm
JimmyJack…. licht is an abysmal GM he has a shot at blowing 2 entire drafts & and has been horrible on FAs, and dont forget that kicker draft pick, no identity nor rhyme or reason in building this team
October 19th, 2018 at 4:26 pm
Yo Ray…….The forebodding on this page is limitless!!!!
October 19th, 2018 at 4:30 pm
Minimum requirement is fielding 22 players no matter how terrible they are, see Benenoch. I’m currently in a food coma Joe I’m not articulating well.
PSA: don’t eat an entire supreme pie for lunch and then go back to the office.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:31 pm
I’m getting tired of the same ol’ mantra. “There’s always next year”. I have aged 16 years since our glorious day in January 2002. We just can’t lose to Cleveland or I’m hanging up my pom, poms for the season. We are the brunt of all the worst statistical records and laughed about constantly. It’s difficult being a Buc fan much less losing to an inferior team we should dominate at home. They suck, and if we can’t beat the snot out of them then we suck worse. You can’t get any lower than that. Just through necessity alone Jameis needs to strap this team on his back and overcome any of it’s shortfalls. That’s how you become elite.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:34 pm
Duthsty…..All your points are valid. But if we are going to talk about players that Jason has brought in then there are just as many good as there are bad………which is very good if you compare to all NFL GMs.
I understand positions like RB and K have been bad. My point is that positions like WR and TE have been good…….You can look at FA, draft, trades…..there are as many good as bad. More than enough Talent walking through the doors and on the field to win with.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:36 pm
Trench my hair wasn’t grey 2 decades ago!!!! (I always round up)
October 19th, 2018 at 4:41 pm
They still have to spend 89% of the cap, though that’s averaged over 4 years. This is the first year that the Glazers seem to have gotten serious about winning. I’ve called them 89%ers a lot over the last few years, and Ira has noted that the Glazers went full miser, at a time when there was no minimum, for nearly a decade after the championship. Nevertheless, ownership and management went out and got some good players, and locked up some talent for the future as well during this year’s off-season.
And one thing that’s been consistent during Licht’s tenure is that the Bucs haven’t trapped themselves into long term deals that will end up putting us in dead money purgatory. And we haven’t traded next year’s 3 for a bottom table 4 this year like New Orleans did. People wonder how Bellichek keeps putting together super bowl rosters year after year when the payrolls are limited to an 11% differential. They trade down for a premium and trade now for next year for even bigger premiums.
October 19th, 2018 at 4:50 pm
Some national media are rumored that Winston and Derrick Carr are available for trade for the right price. If the Bucs could get a quality DB or pass rusher and a #1 pick from the 49ers, Giants, Redskins, Dolphins or Bengals I’d move Winston in a heartbeat. He’s an average QB who turns the ball over and with the offense he has he hasn’t been able to move beyond average to top 10. I don’t see that he has the patience or field of vision to see the whole field. There are too many plays that he leaves on the field as he locks in to certain targets. I think Licht will listen to offers from the right team.
October 19th, 2018 at 5:07 pm
Ed I would deny any trade offers. There are so many things to dissect for QB play but for me there is only one quality that trumps all…….The ability to drive the ball on that last possession when the game is on the line.
Granted, Winston has never scored a last second TD for a win but I defy you to name any time Winston crumbled and was not able to drive the ball in that moment…….but only if you don’t mention the game on Charolette last year.
October 19th, 2018 at 5:07 pm
@Ed Don’t just throw Sh!t out like this and not share the name of the national media you are referring to. I’m sure some of us would like to read up on this
October 19th, 2018 at 5:08 pm
The joes wanted Hyde but doesn’t mean he is good enough to trade for unless you’re desperate, Nick Chubb is better anyway
October 19th, 2018 at 5:09 pm
JimmyJack true……i am just a grumpy bucs fan that is sick of seeing teams improve and we are stuck with the ugly uniforms and bad decisions, I dont understand and cannot accept that the bucs cannot be the patriots or the saints heck i even think the browns are on the come and the bucs are ughhhhhhh
October 19th, 2018 at 5:14 pm
Lol Chubb even better it’s gonna be a long day.
October 19th, 2018 at 5:20 pm
Ed- The article you were referring to is about FANTASY football. Good grief the Jameis Hate is real.
October 19th, 2018 at 5:21 pm
Mark Richt couldn’t win at Georgia with one of the best college backfield ever
Todd Gurley
Nick Chubb
Sony Michel
Keith Marshall
And he still think he got a raw deal when they fired him
October 19th, 2018 at 5:24 pm
Well…. according to the philosophy that is Dirk Koetter, it doesn’t matter how well Chubb runs the ball. Because he’s a rookie, he must be a poor blocker which as we know is the single most important trait for a running back. So, this will justify more blitzes from the defense.
As far of this being a “gift”, Chubb was my big hope to end up in a Buc uniform. He’s a player.
October 19th, 2018 at 5:26 pm
@Ed Just did a search on the WORLD WIDE WEB and not one damn thing about AMERICA’S QUARTERBACK in any trade rumor. True your boy David Carr is everywhere on the web, no secret Chucky is trying to reshape the Raiders to his liking. You bring stuff like that you need to back it up
October 19th, 2018 at 5:27 pm
Dusthy…..Very cool to meet a level headed Bucs Fan like yourself and of course I understand your frustrations……..the losses this season have been especially painful for me because I really like the players we got they just have no idea how toplay with one another……at least IMO
October 19th, 2018 at 5:29 pm
We’re lower than worm dodo.
October 19th, 2018 at 5:32 pm
Tnew…..Dirk Koetter is not the first coach to prioritize run blocking for his RB. Many offenses have excelled with that philosphy.
October 19th, 2018 at 5:34 pm
I could be wrong but the Patriots are an offense that rarely put a RB in the backfield that isn’t above average blocker
October 19th, 2018 at 5:37 pm
Nick Chubb can run block
Georgia prepares their RBs for the NFL
That’s why Georgia RBs are so successful in the NFL
Sony Michel is doing a good job with the Patriots
October 19th, 2018 at 5:37 pm
**I mean pass block**
October 19th, 2018 at 5:40 pm
But I doubt Nick Chubb will have many opportunities to pass block. They mostly have Duke Johnson in the game on passing downs. But Chubb will get some chances at pass blocking.
October 19th, 2018 at 5:45 pm
JJ..
If that was the case, there is no way the Bucs should’ve ever selected Ronald Jones or any back in the second round. Prioritizing blocking OVER running is the issue. Blocking is a complimentary skill for a running back.
Today’s NFL Running back should, be able too
Run
then
Catch passes
then
Pick up the blitz
October 19th, 2018 at 5:53 pm
Tnew…..I don’t care for your theory there……but your saying the Bucs over drafted a RB? If so are there any other positions they should not be drafting 2nd round choices?
I’ll also like to know what exactaly makes second round choices so valuable because every time I read about bust rates for 2nd rounders it is over 50%
October 19th, 2018 at 5:56 pm
Lakeland… I agree.. Nothing wrong with Chubb’s pass blocking… but would love to see him have to deal with a couple of true a-gap blitzes…
October 19th, 2018 at 5:56 pm
Lakeland…..I haven’t seen Chubb play but since he’s from Georgia I’m guessing he’s a bruiser which may be the reason why the Bucs wanted Ronald instead. We have our bruiser with Barber.
October 19th, 2018 at 6:01 pm
Jimmyjack
Ronald Jones is a good back..if he’s in the right system. He’s not a bruiser, he’s a finesse running, receiver RB. He’s the Reggie Bush type.
October 19th, 2018 at 6:07 pm
Ronald can’t see the field .. Denver 3rd rounder was top 5 in rushing up till a game ago. Another bad pick … Drafting over the last 15 years has killed this team
October 19th, 2018 at 6:12 pm
Lakeland……..it don’t sound like the right system then since we are trying to turn him into a blocker.
I never watched R.J. in college but I did watch his highlights when we drafted him and one thing that stood out to me was even though he plays small he was able to use that to find little holes to move the sticks and score in short yardage plays………I had hoped that would translate by maybe my imagination got the best of me.
October 19th, 2018 at 6:17 pm
I do think fans are too fickle to give up on R J. so quickly……..the guy has gotten less then ten looks all year. Don’t be stupid.
They wanted to he the guy and train him for blocking……..honestly I appreciate them having a long-term goal for him at the least..
Let the guy get his training and be patient. Folks act like their wads are gonna blow because he is not ready game one meanwhile I am absolutely enjoying is smack the sh!t out of the Saints reguardless.
October 19th, 2018 at 6:38 pm
I’m not close to giving up on Jones.. Not close. I am over the way Koetter uses his running backs, Rookies especially. Because of the HUGE value placed on second round players (independent of Licht’s recent second round picks), if you want a player to understand all of the nuances required of the running back position, especially in blitz pickups, prior to them being on the field, then don’t draft one that early.
I still feel Ronald Jones was a good pick based on need and value at that spot. I won’t ever change from that.
But Koetter’s philosophy to value the blocking aspects of the RB versus the running aspects is not logical. Especially, given effectiveness of play action in a vertical passing scheme.
If they want a back to train to be a great blocker, you don’t need a 2nd round draft slot. ROJO had a second round status because he is a really good runner. I want him freed up to run. Take the restraints off and see what the young man can do.
October 19th, 2018 at 7:13 pm
Tnew. I get what your saying but I think the Bucs love everything about R.J. including his explosiveness. They didn’t draft him just to be a blocker. they drafted him to be an explosive back who can block when they need him to. There is a major emphasis on the blocking because of our passing skin and all of our down-filled routes.
it doesn’t have to be one way or the other that they need him just to be a passing or just to be running back. They want the total package………. just like they wanted with OJ Howard. If you think OJ Howard is just there to catch balls you kidding yourself
October 19th, 2018 at 7:18 pm
tnew
Dirk Koetter knows this offense is build around the passing game. He should have a FB in the backfield, if he want a blocking back.
October 19th, 2018 at 7:20 pm
Any good coach would want a running back to be able to protect a QB’s blind side. Let ROJO learn this skill. just like the other quality backs in the league.
But there might be more to this ,the holes are smaller and the hits are
harder which also is an adjustment for a rookie. A lot of promising runners come into the league, and are injured in the first game or two. Desperation should not be a deciding factor on when to let a player play. Get em ready, so they have a better chance to succeed.
October 19th, 2018 at 7:22 pm
The Bucs could have had Carlos Hyde in the offseason for free, and passed, instead drafting a guy in the 2nd round when they badly needed corner and safety depth – made no sense then and certainly makes no sense now. That doesn’t mean Ronald is a bust, but they needed to make sure Conte and Ryan Smith never saw the field more than they needed a RB.
October 19th, 2018 at 7:36 pm
Can’t understand why people calls players bust five games weeks into a rookie season it actually seems more stupid to type than to read. If you want to call Noah a bust ok I get it but dude isn’t playing and he’s a second round pick
But Rojo? I’m gonna go on record to defend him and say how idiotic licht and Koetter seem at this point
Koetter is bigger on pass blocking than actual running ability but they were stupid enough to draft a guy in the second round who wasn’t asked to pass block or catch out of the backfield and it has people calling Rojo a bust. It’s just head scratching draft selections that has this team where it is
October 19th, 2018 at 7:47 pm
Geraldweenie is currently ranked 105th as a defensive lineman at the nfl website and 56th as a defensive tackle. 4 solo tackles and 6 assists for 10 tackles and 1.5 sacks through 5 games. I don’t think he’ll be missed one bit.
October 19th, 2018 at 7:50 pm
Rod I’m glad the Bucs passed on Hyde. No need to pay high priced guys to average 3 carries per quarter.
I was especially pleased when they targeted a RB in the second round, when they badly needed corner and safety help, and supplemented him with two other 2nd round picks at the DB position.
October 19th, 2018 at 8:36 pm
Don’t draft a RB in the 2nd rd if the coach is not going to play him because he can’t pick up a blitz like a vet….. sign a vet! Team has way to many needs on defense to sign a guy that’s not going to contribute. Koetter is know for not playing rookie backs … makes it a wasted pick. I’m not saying the guy sucks I am saying if the kid is not contributing it was a bad pick. Chubbs was only picked a few spots before but yet he is playing good … Denver rookie back picked in 3rd round looks great compared to our 2nd round pick.
October 20th, 2018 at 9:59 am
The Denver 3rd round rookie (Freeman) looks so “good” that the undrafted rookie on that team (Lindsay) has been outsnapping him and outperforming him in YPC. As far as Jones, he has had a very limited sample of work with the Bucs so far. For all we know he could become the best of this years rookie RB class or the biggest bust? It’s impossible to know in the few plays his name has been called. It’s a conversation for a year or two down the road.