“Early Completions”
October 12th, 2018
Jameis talks about a fix
There is a clear and indisputable weakness in the overall game of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, through his 45 NFL starts.
It’s a focus for Dirk Koetter and Joe asked Jameis about it yesterday.
The problem? Slow starts to games.
Of his 69 career TD passes, only 10 have come in the opening quarter.
In addition, Jameis-led Bucs offenses have not scored a lot of points in the first halves of games. Joe will not type the stats in order to spare the innocent.
Obviously, Jameis is a different QB in the second half, sometimes when it’s too late.
“If you look at Jameis’ career, when Jameis gets off to a fast start, we usually play pretty well,” Dirk Koetter said months ago. “When he gets off to a slower start, not as well. That’s one of the things that falls on the offensive coaching staff — to have the right game plan early in games that we don’t have to tinker around to find it.”
Koetter is right. It’s partly on the coaching staff, but it’s also a lot on Jameis. He wasn’t a fast starter in college, either.
Starting fast was a focus of the Bucs coaching staff during the bye week. So Joe asked Jameis yesterday if he found the magic formula to fast starts.
“Come out and get early completions,” Jameis replied. “You know, when you think about a fast start, yes, you always want to simulate like Fitz bombing to D-Jack on the first play. You can’t get that every game, but definitely when the opportunity presents itself, things like that really help.”
Run the ball. Early and easy completions. Those are all things Joe expects from the Bucs against the Falcons — unless, of course, the Falcons try to shut down the short stuff and challenge Jameis to throw the deep ball.
October 12th, 2018 at 11:19 am
This O-Line only run blocks on the left side. Need to keep Ryan and those receivers off the field because our defense is gonna give up 7 almost every possession.
October 12th, 2018 at 11:20 am
It does figure America’s Predator would be better at coming from behind. 🙂
I’d be happy if he could just hit D Jax in stride, but I expect they’ll come out and try and run the ball. ATL will gameplan for it and we’ll here all week how we have no run game.
Go deep, go early, and CONNECT!
October 12th, 2018 at 11:29 am
..America’s QB..??????
October 12th, 2018 at 11:38 am
Koetter gets him the plays that exploit match ups….He just misses the receivers. The receivers are blatantly open…Winston can’t hit them. Instead he locks in on guys who make circus catches to bail him out. He has to break that habit AND become more accurate. Rarely do those get fixed at this stage but hopefully Winston can at least manage the bad habits.
October 12th, 2018 at 11:44 am
Winston loses the real game in the first half. He is good at frantic comebacks. The first half is where the modern NFL games are won. Come out like an actual NFL team and they will win.
October 12th, 2018 at 11:47 am
In those last five games of 2017 when Jameis supposedly played his BEST?, the ONLY game where the Bucs scored more than 21 points was that last one, where JW3 threw 3 interceptions, and had two other perfectly thrown passes…………….
right to a defender which they dropped. During the last five games of last year, he also had 10 (TEN) turnovers in those five games, losing 5 of 7 fumbles, and throwing 5 INTs.
Bucs 1-14 since 2015 with three or more turnovers in a game!
Scoring points helps win the game.
Committing turnovers helps lose the game.
Throwing for lots of yards or having a high completion %age…….. not so much.
tickrdr
October 12th, 2018 at 11:51 am
JW3 throws for 500 yards and 5 TDs!
Bucs win 48 to 45
October 12th, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Jameis will respond believe it haters, and if he get the protection that fitz got them first two games he will shred any defense you put against him period
October 12th, 2018 at 12:17 pm
This is the other joe . Not the obsessed with Jameis joe.
Go bucs!
This is perfect type scenario start for Jamies. Hope he can put up 30 or 40 against their crappy defense cause our defense is yitty .
October 12th, 2018 at 12:19 pm
Many posters want to blame ONLY the defense for the games where JW3 leads a second half comeback, only to have the opponents score to take the lead at the end of the game. NFL football is not “make-it, take-it” like some pickup basketball game. Possession of the football ALTERNATES throughout the game, therefore EACH team gets the SAME or at most ONE MORE possession than the other team.. So points scored or not scored in the first quarter, second quarter etc. count just as much as those in the 4th quarter. So, to blame only the defense for a loss where the offense is completely impotent early in the game is wrong. How about a game earlier this year which ended 9-6. Did the losing defense “screw the pooch” for allowing a game-winning score?
Here is an example: Bucs vs. Detroit 2017 (drive list from porfootballreference.com)
Drive#1: 4 plays punt
#2: 11 plays TD
#3: 2 plays INT
#4: 4 plays INT
#5: 8 plays Fumble
#6: 5 plays punt
#7: 1 play end of half
#8: 7 plays INT
#9: 6 plays Fumble
Yes, they scored 2 TDs to tie the game but the OFFENSE scored only 21 points for the ENTIRE game, even though they had one more possession than Detroit.
tickrdr
October 12th, 2018 at 12:21 pm
@tickrdr…. Spot on. Jameis has never had trouble moving the ball up and down the field. It’s those costly costly turnovers that have made his WIN % what it is. I still have faith in the guy but it’s pretty obvious that his turnover issues could very well keep him from a second contract in Tampa and leave us searching yet again. Let’s hope that we finally see a well polished and more mature version of of Winston on Sunday and beyond. GO BUCS!
October 12th, 2018 at 12:40 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he always start slow in college also? Seems like his MO. I will pull for him to be a franchise level QB but I am certainly not holding my breath.
I have extremely low confidence in Jameis and he has not done much to show me that he is able to navigate a season to the playoffs. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
October 12th, 2018 at 12:45 pm
Wow just wow from these comments. I mean WOW!!!
October 12th, 2018 at 12:48 pm
Shoot Jameis could very well break the pass TD record come Sunday
October 12th, 2018 at 12:53 pm
“Let’s hope that we finally see a well polished”…….
many have tried, but there’s a reason for the saying
you can’t polish a turd
October 12th, 2018 at 1:06 pm
@tickrdr that game can be played both ways. Atlanta @ Bucs 2017 drive chart:
Drive#1: 4 plays punt
#2: 9 plays TD (pass)
#3: 12 plays Fumble by Barber at Atlanta 9 yard line
#4: 6 plays punt
#5: 5 plays punt
#6: 4 plays TD (pass)
#7: 7 plays Punt
#8: 11 plays TD (pass)
#9: 6 plays missed FG to tie the game
Game over
You see my friend I can pick just one game as well and show how good he is so what was your point again. Oh that’s right you don’t have one. Meanwhile in this same game our defense allowed 410 total yards while allowing The Falcons to rush for 201 and a TD. Oh by the way we rushed for a whopping 84 yards this game committed 7 penalties and missed our only FG attempt. So lets all try to figure out why we even had a chance in this game….. Uh could it have been the QB maybe?
October 12th, 2018 at 1:11 pm
Joe (or anyone)
How does JW’s fifth year contract work?
I mean, I know it’s a guaranteed $20m, but it’s only guaranteed for injury. What does that mean exactly? A hangnail? A sprained ankle?
Seriously, what kind of injury guarantees the $20m?
If he’s injured during the 2017 season and is not recovered by Day 1 of the league year in March 2019, then the Bucs would owe him the $21 million due him next year — all of it.–Joe
October 12th, 2018 at 1:25 pm
We gave away possessions early in games going run, run, pray for Jameis to save us. During Monken’s first two games we didn’t have a two consecutive runs for 3 yards or less until the second half.
Also, we’ve often gotten very few first half possessions, a slow paced offense, a defense with an historically bad third down success rate and you’re not going to get a lot of first half points.
October 12th, 2018 at 1:29 pm
@ndog:
You chose a game where Jameis had no INTs, and only fumbled once, and thankfully Caleb Benenoch recovered at the Tampa 22 yard line, or the Falcons would have had another 3 point gift. He threw for three TDs, but the Bucs only scored 21 points. Some wags would point out that they NEVER led in that game, and were down 2 scores for most of it, and then they would suggest that some of those plays were against “prevent” defense in so-called garbage time. I have to admit that Patrick Murray did miss a 54 yard game-tying field goal as time ran out.
BTW: the JW3-led Bucs offense averaged slightly more than 19 ppg, despite all of those “weapons for Winston”.
tickrdr
October 12th, 2018 at 1:40 pm
#3 will take us to the playoffs, people riding him off wayyyy too soon…this year will be his breakout party
October 12th, 2018 at 1:51 pm
Mom and Dad went to a show
Dropped me off at grandpa Joe’s
I kicked and screamed
Said, “Please, don’t go!”
Grandma take me home!
Grandma take me home!
Grandma take me home!
Grandma take me home!
Grandma take me home!
Sliver – Nirvana
October 12th, 2018 at 1:51 pm
You might want to do a little research Kirby, before you try to call something a ‘fact’. Fitz’s release averaged 2.61 seconds in his 3 1/2 games. That is faster than 23 other QBs. So, we don’t know how good/bad the O-line is at pass blocking.
October 12th, 2018 at 1:52 pm
Thanks Joe
“Recovered” seems a little vague and open to interpretation…
October 12th, 2018 at 1:59 pm
Stupids.
If anyone has to point any fingers as to who or why the team has sucked for the last 10 years….one doesn’t need to look at or blame Jameis…..
It all starts at the top. Who does the hiring and firing of the guy’s that make the bad draft picks and coaching decisions.
tickrdr….I would so love a long drawn out explanation from you as to why Glennon can’t crack thee starting lineup for Arizona…..or perhaps why the Bucs defense has sucked so badly for the past 3 years or so. Perhaps you have done a take on it. Maybe I missed it, sorry if I did. Can you link me? Or is it all about Jameis these days…… Do they need to bring back Glennon and get rid of Jameis?
Sheesh!
The franchise will prolly still suck after Winston’s gone…..
October 12th, 2018 at 2:07 pm
McCown, Freeman, Simms, Griese, Testicleverde, King, Erickson, Dilfer…..
Gotta get some more of THAT!
Let’s get rid of Jameis……Bucs fans smfh!
October 12th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Atlanta will come out with 8 in the box to force Jameis to throw. They want him throwing because of his propensity for interceptions.
October 12th, 2018 at 2:54 pm
They only need two guys to stop the Bucs running game. And one of them can be the kicker.
October 12th, 2018 at 5:19 pm
Then the long bomb to DJax won’t come until late 2nd qtr……
October 12th, 2018 at 6:27 pm
This should be a good game for the Offense and yes I actually believe the Defense will step up this game and domianate the Falcons. I have a good feeling about this game, especially considering that Atlanta is completed depleted on Defense and Freeman being out is a huge boost for us! Go Bucs!!
October 12th, 2018 at 7:18 pm
Jameis throws a 75 yard TD bomb to DJax on the first play and the Bucs win 14375 to 40.
October 12th, 2018 at 11:17 pm
BUCS 48 – 7 TDS 1 missed PAT
FALCONS 45 – 6 TDS 1 FG
NO punts in this game!
October 13th, 2018 at 3:40 am
“Of his 69 TD passes on 10 have come in the opening qtr”
*Joe . I have to believe that Winston is improving from year to year. If that’s true, then career stats are somewhat imprecise when career is defined as 3 whole seasons. Now if Winston is the same player as a rookie as He is in his 4th year, then the career numbers are relevant.
Last year, first qtr TD’ s for Winston was 5. Half of his career stats so I have to believe that …never mind..
2017
1st qtr TD/int …comp % ….rating.
5/1…….66.3%…….101.8
Let’s see if you are correct about Winston being a different player 2nd half.
2017
3rd qtr…TD/int……..comp %…….rating.
5/2…………67.5%………104.9
4th qtr….TD/int…….comp %…….rating.
9/4……….64.6%……….101.0
Nope…
Sorry, but the numbers are what they are and they say Winston is not different , from the 1st qtr to the 2nd half.
The “Winston is so hyped up pre game that He needs time to settle down” myth
just took a pele’ backwards scissors kick right in the bag. Ouch!
But like the loch Ness monster and AGW, myth is harder to kill than Steven Seagal.
October 13th, 2018 at 3:42 am
psst…..ck the 2nd qtr.
But you didn’t hear that from me.
October 13th, 2018 at 7:23 am
America’s Quarterback? Which America? In all of his seasons so far he has not ranked in the Top 10 for QB Rating or Completion %, but he has led the league in Total Turnovers combined since his 1st year.
Just wasn’t really a good crop of QBs period the year he came out because Mariota is not really proving much either, though Marcus has very little talent at WR to throw to.