Bargain
October 6th, 2018
Worth the pick.
Earlier this week, Joe brought word from former Bucs guard and popular local radio personality Ian Beckles who said in his takedown of the Bucs defense that its only baller is Jason Pierre-Paul.
Joe would quibble with Beckles’ statement but not the fact JPP is a baller. Joe has pointed out several times that JPP is on pace for 16 sacks this season. Writing about a Bucs player who has a good shot at 10 or more sacks is, honestly, otherworldly to Joe.
JPP’s production isn’t stopping there. He leads the NFL in quarterback hits with nine. Others with nine are Fletcher Cox, Geno Atkins, Demarcus Lawrence and Sheldon Richardson.
This always seems like a con the way the Bucs have not been able to get pressure on quarterbacks since the Carter Administration, it seems.
And to think the Bucs are getting this production for the price of a third-round pick. That’s a nice investment.
October 6th, 2018 at 4:08 pm
Tua2020 he’s the future
October 6th, 2018 at 4:11 pm
People were saying the same thing about the Logan Mankins trade. Trey Flowers is still in the league,sacking the QB.
And for the record
The Giants drafted DT BJ Hill with that pick
And he has 2 sacks
And has been very impressive
October 6th, 2018 at 4:27 pm
Looks like JPP vs the world on that crummy defense.
October 6th, 2018 at 4:47 pm
Joe, who are the other “Ballers” that would make you quibble? I know, I know, I need to get my pass on the Kwon train. Because it’s been so long since a Buccaneers defense was any good that we forgot what it looks like. The new gold standard in Tampa is the ability to play hard…
“The future is so bright I think I need shades”
October 6th, 2018 at 5:21 pm
LakeLand Says:
March 4th, 2018 at 8:56 pm
Will Gholston and Robert Ayers will be the Bucs starting DEs this season. I will bet the farm on it.
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Nostradamus himself. Always right.
October 6th, 2018 at 5:45 pm
Bucs are looking at quarterbacks this week.
Could they be dealing Fitzpatrick?
October 6th, 2018 at 5:49 pm
On the topic of the defense and it’s communications issues, people need to remember they have 8+ NEW players taking the field on Sundays. Half of them are rookies.
So yes, it makes sense that there would be issues.
October 6th, 2018 at 5:55 pm
A 3rd round pick and a whole lot of money. Well worth it so far tho. The guy gives the effort u wana see. Too bad most of the defense doesnt understand the concept yet. Only been 2+ years tho. Give Smitty time. I mean in 5 years these guys should be average. Its ok Glazers we can wait. There’s plenty of other stuff to do on Sundays.
October 6th, 2018 at 6:30 pm
@Bonzai … “On the topic of the defense and it’s communications issues, people need to remember they have 8+ NEW players taking the field on Sundays. Half of them are rookies. So yes, it makes sense that there would be issues.”
Agree wholeheartedly that’s a MAJOR issue Bonzai … but it doesn’t explain Chicago. Bucs were 2-1 going into that game (and could’ve been 3-0 IF a couple of plays had gone the other way against Pittsburgh). But SOMETHING happened in Chicago that just doesn’t add up.
Starting with the 2008 (10 years ago?) the Bucs have 2 wins & 12 losses in games where they had LESS than 7 days preparation (IOW, short weeks). Sometimes that was a Thursday or Saturday game after a Sunday game, sometimes it was a Sunday game after a Monday night game. Bottom line: Bucs historically do REALLY BAD with less than 7 days of prep. And just as an aside (speculating), being on the ‘smallish side’ in terms of NFL defenses, we seem to have considerably more injuries on defense than many other defenses do. Still speculating, but with our LB & CBs & Safeties making gobs of tackles downfield, they probably get beat up pretty good over the course of a season. (Chris Conte getting run over by the Mack truck TE weighing 65 lbs more than he does might be a good example?).
October 6th, 2018 at 6:38 pm
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October 6th, 2018 at 8:16 pm
@Mike Johnson … “THE EXCUSE SQUADS!” Interesting phrase. Seem to notice, for some reason, that anyone who supports Mike Smith OR the defense is labeled an excuse-maker, but that poor defensive performances are very often used as an excuse for losses when Bad Jameis shows up (you know, the ‘gift that keeps on giving’ when it comes to his turnovers). Have zero problem with holding Smitty and the defense accountable when they crap on the field, BUT … JBFers need to stop using that as an excuse for Winston’s poor performances (his turnovers especially hurt the defense MUCH MORE than they hurt the offense). And Fitz too .. the 7 points from his his Pick-6 against the Steelers was the difference in the game (and Jameis has done that more than once).
The offense under Fitz put up 48, 27 & 27 points in 3 games … 102 points (34 PPG average). Is that sustainable? Heavens no, but this defense should be able to average 27-28 PPG. The defense for those 3 games allowed 40, 21 & 30 points … 91 points (30 PPG average), but they did it without the beef upfront (Allen, Vea, Unrein). If we can get at least 2 of those back by next Sunday, that 30 point average better come down (Dline pressure is the key to better defensive performances IMO). Winning from here on out will be a matter of BOTH sides stepping up their effectiveness, not just the defense.
October 6th, 2018 at 8:46 pm
Blaming communication issues is unexceptable. Other teams in the NFL play rookies and their not having the same problems, even Kwon and David looked against the Bears last Sunday. There is a flaw in Mike Smith’s scheme that is just not working.
October 6th, 2018 at 9:23 pm
KGH4life,
There is a flaw in Mike Smith’s defensive schemes. I hate to make it seem so simple but, it is. Smith’s system doesn’t account for basic arithmetic.
7>5, 4-7=-3, 4>3, 3>2.
Before you discount this explanation as so stupid simple that it can’t possibly be anything but nonsense. I have a simple question to illustrate how correct this answer is. X…………………………Y.
C.
Q, is 2>1. If C moves to x what happens to c vs y.
This idea isn’t complicated but it’s why coaches who incorporate college schemes are absolutely positively clubbing old NFL coaches like they were beached baby seals. I say Old and that’s misleading. It’s coaches who are stuck in the past and/or have that “I’m an NFL coach and there’s nothing to learn from college ball”
arrogant attitude.
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I see many fans attempting to substitute a more complicated explanation for the defensive failures than what’s necessary. If this basic arithmetic problem is first recognized then accounted for, then there is other factors for consideration (injuries, personnel , schemes and play calls , etc.)
If Smitty fails to consider this no amount of adjusting will be enough to make much more than an Incremental gain. And any improvement will be on a game to game basis.
October 6th, 2018 at 9:45 pm
Tua isn’t an NFL player…
October 6th, 2018 at 11:56 pm
But I was told GMC would be a monster if he just had a little help. I mean his get off and blah blah…
October 7th, 2018 at 7:18 am
JPP has been the only bright spot of this defense so far, now only is he on pace to end our streak not of a 10 sack pass rusher in a season, but a few more good games and he has a legit shot of breaking the Bucs single season sack record. Licht really knocked this out of the park with this pick.
October 7th, 2018 at 9:22 am
Bryan Says
“But I was told GMC would be a monster if he just had a little help. I mean his get off and blah blah…”
I’m sure common sense will be viewed as an excuse at this point, but he’s got three new guys with him on that line. Each has never played with the other. It will take a little time to develop chemistry. At least half a season.
But from game 5 forward, we should start seeing gradual improvement.
So far as the secondary, Grimes had just returned from injury and we have 4 rookies there. 2-3 in starting roles….with only 4 games of experience.
Let that sink in.
October 7th, 2018 at 1:29 pm
GMC living up to his ice cream man nick, stop me as I’m passing by.
October 7th, 2018 at 1:47 pm
My only problem with JPP is that he’s not 22 years old. Wish we had him young.