“You’ve Got To Leave Jameis Winston On The Bench”
September 12th, 2018
Complicated take on America.
The crowd of “First Take” believes their collective opinion should be the final take.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is your Bucs quarterback until the wheels come off the Bucs’ offensive bandwagon.
No matter how much cash Team Glazer has invested him in, no matter how high of a draft pick he was, no matter what kind of preseason he had, a combination of Jameis Winston getting into a hassle with an Arizona Uber driver and the one-game play of backup quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick has rendered Jameis an afterthought in Tampa Bay, so the troika of four-letter sophists believe.
That’s the consensus from screamin’ Stephen A. Smith, Max Kellerman and Ryan Clark, the gang of “First Take” seen (and heard) on BSPN.
Kellerman has had it with Jameis, who he believes is a worse quarterback than trashcan Detroit signal-caller Matthew Stafford.
SAS believes that there is no way the Bucs can pull Fitz after what he did to the Saints on Sunday — but Jameis should be ready to resume his position as starting quarterback when Fitz fails.
Clark also believes the Bucs should not give up on Jameis but he needs to prove he’s worthy of a new contract, both on and off the field.
Kellerman is simply no longer a believer in Jameis and the Bucs should try to figure out another way to get a franchise quarterback.
Molly Qerim just sits there.
You can see them holler at each below.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:03 am
SAS is a baaaaad man …. love his insight
September 12th, 2018 at 9:11 am
I can’t listen to all that hollering. The issue is pretty simple. If Fitz records two more games like he just had, even Jameis would understand and support keeping Fitz under center until he gets injured or the bus goes into the ditch. One more good game and a so-so game and Fitz is the starter through the bye, then we’ll see. Fitz goes into 6 interception Fitz and Jameis starts against Chicago.
And I see everyone, Jameis, Fitz, the teammates, all understanding those decisions as they play out.
Problem would come if Fitz plays lights out and wins, but Jameis is reinserted as the starter and performs poorly. Or if Fitz lays some stinkers but is left in for extended games anyway. None of those scenarios make sense though.
Anyway, right now it’s only about Fitz versus the Eagles D and Folk versus the Bucs sieve.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:17 am
Tell you what Smith we will leave Jameis on the bench for one play if you just go the F away forever. how about it deal you blowhard no nothing?
September 12th, 2018 at 9:18 am
There you have, this is the national argument about our Bucs. Top receiving Corp in the league and questions about the QB. But I got to give SAS credit. I expected him to throw JW under the bus
September 12th, 2018 at 9:22 am
They all made very good points, much of which I agree with. Max K is a little over the top but SAS and Ryan I agree with. Jameis doesn’t deserve the $100mil deal right now. He hasn’t earned it, but I’m thankful that we got to see what a Fitz can do with this offense. I look for more of it to come.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:25 am
Fake news as usual from that outlet. The Bucs know what they have in Jameis, who by the way showed a new level of poise and maturity while he was outplaying Fitzpatrick in the preseason.
Not wishing for this at all and I hope the guy gets us to 3-0, but all it will take is one showing from the “other” Ryan Fitzpatrick for all the mainstream sports media naysayers to dismiss him and our entire team again.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:26 am
This is really simple. Fitz wins one of the next two games and doesn’t stink up the other, or if he wins both, he starts in Week 4 against Chicago. Jameis sits through the bye week and then starts against Atlanta in Week 6. Regardless of how Fitz lit things up in NO, he is not the BUCs long-term QB – Jameis is!!! Jameis gets two weeks to demonstrate he’s ready to play and is back to preseason form and he starts against Atlanta. If he’s not ready, then Fitz will continue.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:28 am
Sunday can’t come fast enough…
September 12th, 2018 at 9:30 am
Those are my exact feelings. Great discussion by the analysts.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:31 am
Horese Liver right on. So long as we are in playoff contention, the Bucs will use the QB that got them there. Dirk is not going to risk his paycheck to “see if Jameis has it in him before the big contract.”
If Fitzy ekes out another win or two over the next 13 days, these are the words Dirk will use when asked about Jameis’ return to the roster:
“Ryan Fitzpatrick is our quarterback”
#FreeTheAmishRifle
September 12th, 2018 at 9:33 am
Its all a very exciting time for Fitz right now!!!! But from the past, one has to worry about Fitz playing at that level for long!!!!!! And the “real” fans say play fitz as long as you can!!!!!! But last Sunday’s game is as lively of an arm as yu will see for Fitz!!!! As the season goes on, he loses are strength, which is not terribly strong to begin with!!!!!!!!! Whether from age, or bruising play of running around, we know that the play will die off, and JW3 will get to play this year!!!!!!! The “real” fans just don’t know when!!!!!!! And it should be a week to week decisions, and The Coaches should not release any information until they absolutely have to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 12th, 2018 at 9:36 am
Horse Liver said it best.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:42 am
lol…..this is BS…..
look fitz has proven he’s a capable back up QB for a short time last year when he went 2-1(vs 2 lousy teams)……
the thing that these clowns forget is that philly just made a QB that was a former MVP and that made the SB look like an UDFA…..
philly defense is far better than the saints…..these same clowns will be saying pull fitz, fitz is trash if he lays an egg sunday……
I stop watching first take 4years ago…..Skip and Shannon is the way to go!!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
September 12th, 2018 at 9:43 am
SAS is an a$$h0le. Jameis is the quarterback when he comes back.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:45 am
Just another tidbit into how shallow both of these perspectives are, neither of these clowns even bothered to mention that Jameis from week 2 until his return against Green Bay, had an injured throwing shoulder. And it was during the span which he struggled to hit receivers deep.
Upon returning to the team, Jameis Winston in his last 5 games of 2017 averaged 68.7% completion rating, 9 yards per attemp, 316 yards per game, and scored 10 touchdowns to 5 picks in that span. During that time he also led the league in QB rating.
Healthy 2017 Jameis was pretty darn good, still didn’t have much of a running game to speak of, and also had the 32nd ranked defense in the league. Jameis looked more calm and composed and professional during this preseason than I’ve ever seen him before, and If I noticed that you can bet the players, coaching staff, and front office noticed it as well.
The players have dedicated these 3 games to Jameis. They want to win for him. Yes Fitz had a flawless and magnificent performance, but anyone who expects him to be that good over and over is dreaming. He’s a great back-up, maybe the best back up in the league. But there have been plenty of back-up QB’s that have had fantastic outlier type of performances.
Let’s take a moment to try and use our noodles Bucs fans, anyone remember Matt Flynns 6 TD game years ago that got him 20 million in guaranteed money from the Seahawks, he quickly regressed to the mean and lost his job.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:49 am
Of course a bleeding heart like Kellerman wants Jameis tar and feathered out of town. Goodness I’ve never seen a grown man whine as much on live TV as he does, it’s honestly pathetic. Here’s the absolute best case scenario for the Bucs, they win the next 2 games and if Fitzy performs well he’s more than likely the starter for Week 4 since there won’t be a need to force Jameis back in quickly and then going forward from Week 6 it’s back to Jameis. Worst case scenario is we lose the next 2 games and either Fitzy is thrown to the wolves in Week 4 to allow Jameis to fully get right before coming back the starter in Week 6 or they force Jameis in right away in Week 4 to try to get us back on track.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:55 am
Chill out for real!!!!
This same guy tossed 6 picks in a game right after he did really well.
Look, I’m just as happy as any other Bucs fan that he played so well, and I actually think he will continue to play well while Jameis is gone, but Winston is the FUTURE of this team and you just don’t sit him when he is healthy.
Yes the team, the players, and every other person with 2 eyes saw that Jameis had THE BEST numbers in preseason and looked really really sharp.
Jameis comes back and wins 10 games!!
September 12th, 2018 at 10:01 am
If we earn a victory against the defending Super Bowl Champs or the Steelers on MNF, Dirk’s answer will be:
“Ryan Fitzpatrick is our quarterback”
Take it to the bank
September 12th, 2018 at 10:08 am
Easy solution to this joe.after week 4 plug Jameis back in.if he’s not doing good enough to win us games say in the next 3 take him back out and put Fitzpatrick.that simple!
September 12th, 2018 at 10:12 am
these idiots including Kellerman dont even watch the Bucs, if they did they wouldn’t forget that Fitz played last year and wasn’t anything special… SMFH it was one game & everyone BUT finally the pieces are meshing this year… Fitz is the 3rd best QB on this team!
September 12th, 2018 at 10:16 am
Not to away from Fitz’s great game. I watched the game 3 times. Our receivers for the most part were wide open. Separation that you don’t normally see in NFL game
September 12th, 2018 at 10:31 am
In 1987, Steve Deberg played a near perfect opening game in a 48 – 10 win over Atlanta. We ended up winning 4 games that year. Just to put things in perspective.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:33 am
My thoughts
• The event in question took place years ago. There are no off the field issues now!
• Of course Jameis Winston is not worth 100m per year right now, even without the off field issues they mention.
• This is Winston’s ‘prove it’ year. He’ll have to play it before his salary is determined.
• The Ryan Fitzpatrick bubble is going to burst big time. I just hope it waits until the Steels game instead of the Eagles game. There is absolutely no way he beats the Steelers. None. I will eat crow if I’m wrong, but I’m not wrong.
The problem is this: all of this talk is pure hype. Fitz had the game of his career and it will never happen again. Heck, the odds are against him beating the Eagles, but I’m holding out hope on that one.
• Today I turned 53, and I have been a Bucs fan since the beginning. The game against the Saints was as good a present as I can expect, but a win over the Eagles would be the candles on a cake. Been a fan since inception of the team…before they even played a game. That will never change. I’m committed for life. So when I see trolls using social media to hate on them, it gets my gander up. Still, I’m ‘trying’ to turn over a new life by not responding to them. Wish me luck, lol.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:36 am
Bunch of idiot talking heads spouting off about a subject they obviously know very little about.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:37 am
Mark Says
“In 1987, Steve Deberg played a near perfect opening game in a 48 – 10 win over Atlanta. We ended up winning 4 games that year. Just to put things in perspective.”
And can you believe he only had 333 yards passing and Wilder only rushed for 62 yards?
September 12th, 2018 at 10:46 am
Who in the world watches ESPN anyway? They’re a bunch of clown that don’t care about the sports they only care about the bs side drama in sports and when they don’t have any they make one up.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:53 am
Yes. There was a return for a touchdown too. I remember Ray Perkins and the coaches all shook hands on the sideline after that.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:54 am
Anyone who cares so much about all these talking heads opinions deserves to be worked up. The only way Winston doesn’t come back and start Game 5 is if Fitzpatrick doesn’t have a single incompletion the remaining games he plays. Winston gives this team the best chance to win and it’s extremely important for him to play this year so the bucs know if he’s the guy moving forward
September 12th, 2018 at 10:58 am
The national guys don’t know jack about this team. Stephen A Smith is a JOKE! JW is the better QB. He’ll prove it this year.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:59 am
Who the hell even watches that show?
September 12th, 2018 at 11:09 am
I honestley am not concerned with who “should” start. If Fitzpatrick keeps playing at a high level, Jameis isn’t going to just be handed back the starting job in week 4. Koetter will stick with the hot hand. And that’s not to suggest that Fitz will play at a ridiculously high like he did on Sunday. But if the offense is clicking and Fitz ultimately brings both production and stability then why would they bother to rock the boat?
September 12th, 2018 at 11:22 am
Espn is trash
Waste of resources
September 12th, 2018 at 11:57 am
SAS is a blowhard, right along with Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe. I try to be positive in all things but these guys are just talking heads that throw whatever out there to cause reaction. Many times I just see it when those two talk, they don’t even believe what they are saying. Loving the Bucs this year and thank you Joe’s and Ira for all the great coverage, insight and the work you do behind the scenes. I give you guys 50+ clicks a day.
September 12th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
Happy birthday Bonzai
I agree with almost everything you said. Fitz has NEVER had this much talent around him. I don’t think that it’s a stretch to think that he could beat Philly and Pitt. The Eagles looked beatable against the Falcons and the Steelers damn near lost to the Browns. It’s bad enough that they tied!
If we get half that production and the defense shows up, I like our chances.
I’ll say this: Jameis Winston will start for the Bucs this season, sooner or later. That is a fact!
September 12th, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Duh!!! Why in the world would the Bucs Organization gamble on this punk with big guaranteed money? They are not billionaires for making bad decisions
September 12th, 2018 at 12:09 pm
Bonzai proves his ignorance once again. Kiss you JBoo goodbye
September 12th, 2018 at 12:12 pm
It’s gonna hurt you when JW “pulls out” of here.
September 12th, 2018 at 12:19 pm
I agree with smith. no reason to change if you are still winning. Jameis is our qb but I would rather see a hot hand stay in the game vs putting in Jameis with no practice or game day experience this year. If bucs lose the next two games then start Jameis, if not keep FITZ.
September 12th, 2018 at 12:20 pm
I actually agree with Smith 100%… probably my first time ever… but I never watch this or any other ESPN jock talk slop.
If Fitz is playing lights out, you have to play him. On the other hand, Winston is 24, you can’t give up on him just yet. He’s at the age right now that Brady was when he was inserted into the starting lineup to replace an injured Drew Bledsoe. Keep that in perspective. On the other hand, Fitz has PROVEN he can play well with far less talent around him. He’s never had these weapons, this type of offensive line… he should produce. He wouldn’t be the first NFL QB to prove himself at an older age. Rich Gannon was no spring chicken when he became an All-Pro, neither was Jeff Garcia. Warren Moon, Kurt Warner, and Tony Romo were all much older than most making their NFL debuts. Maybe the light has finally come on for Fitz, or maybe the talent around him is just so freaking good that he can’t help but to succeed. Either way, whomever is QB, if he’s smart and accurate, this offense will put up incredible numbers.
September 12th, 2018 at 12:29 pm
Happy Birthday, Bonzai!! Man, you’re a spring chicken. 🙂 You are also one of the reasons I read JBF. What QB controversy? What am I missing here? Fameis is watching these games and taking notes. I just HOPE that the offense is blossoming like I’ve been waiting on for 3 years. Eaglets will help answer that one as their D sure ain’t chopped liver. Hope the refs lay off the hankies. Go Mighty Bucs and de-feather the Eaglets Sunday!!!!!!
September 12th, 2018 at 1:03 pm
Offense bailed out the D in New Orleans..Gonna be the other way around at RayJay this week.
I hope Smitty can get it done. And Buckner, it’s time to see what you’ve been coaching.. Dress rehearsal is over.
September 12th, 2018 at 1:04 pm
They are acting like this is the same offense that we ran last year. Again it jus shows they have no idea what they are talking about when the talk about us. For instance Fitz played last year and did our offense looks like this no because it is a different offense. SMH at these bozos.
September 12th, 2018 at 1:13 pm
Onebucperson hit the nail on the head n the way bears d line did Rodgers if that continues then fitz probably place week for but after the biweek it JW team and from the way he played preseason all the haters will be eating crow n jump on the bandwagon saying they never doubted him
September 12th, 2018 at 1:13 pm
Week four
September 12th, 2018 at 2:57 pm
Aww Bonzai we the same age shucks!!! What dim sums like henogodeep.66 doesn’t get is Jameis problems were in the distant past and he’s had no other off field issues. He lied so what??? It’s not like he lied to his parents and I’m sure the Glazers on their way tho becoming billionaires have lied to get what they wanted. They’ve invested a lot in Jameis and still will want to see what he can do with this offense. Snowhitedeep.66 forgets Jameis out performed Fitz in every way in the preseason showing there’s a good chance he’s turned that corner. Fitz is a journeyman qb who had his chance and stunk more than he flashed and is a back up for a reason. Tinkerbelldeep.66 has ulterior motives to why she hates Jameis so much. Maybe that Kinsman chick is his daughter and he’s mad she got nothing for her freely giving up the goods.
September 12th, 2018 at 3:16 pm
This show is for the sheeps
September 12th, 2018 at 4:06 pm
Don’t just leave Winston on the bench, leave him off the team! Fitzpatrick can still play another 4-5 years and we can draft a QB in the 2nd-3rd round to develop in the meantime.
September 12th, 2018 at 4:43 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai:
1. Happy Birthday!
2. Try dander not gander. A gander is a male goose or a brief glance, as in “take a gander at the distraction of the day”. Getting your dander up is to lose one’s temper.
tickrdr
September 12th, 2018 at 5:56 pm
@ Buccaneer Bonzai:
1. Happy Birthday!
2. Try dander not gander. A gander is a male goose, or a quick glance, as in “take a gander at the distraction of the day”. Getting your dander up means to lose one’s temper.
tickrdr
September 12th, 2018 at 5:57 pm
Well, at least you got double the birthday wishes from my double post.
Sorry about that. Anyhow, hope you have a great b-day.
tickrdr
September 12th, 2018 at 8:26 pm
Go back and watch film. If Winston has the protection Fitzpatrick had this past Sunday he will be rediculous good. That’s the story no one is talking about. This OL turned in its best performance in years. They literally picked up every blitz with perfection!