Ugly
August 17th, 2018
There is ugly and there is ugly.
And according to Henry McKenna of TheBigLead.com, the Bucs are in the very ugly region.
Not because of an untested running game. Not because of likely counting on a rookie corner to be a lockdown player right off the bat. Not because of uncertainty on the right side of the offensive line.
No, the ugly element of the Bucs is the quarterback situation. And McKenna puts the blame squarely on the shoulders of America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
In so many words, McKenna believes Jameis should be locked in a state pen — nevermind he has never been charged with anything — and left to rot in prison. McKenna is of the mind the Bucs have the fourth-worst quarterback situation in the NFL.
The face of the Buccaneers franchise has faced multiple sexual abuse allegations. How long can the Buccaneers possibly stick with a player who has a history of alleged sexual abuse going back to college? Well, if we look at the history in the NFL as a whole, Winston could last fairly long. But he shouldn’t. He should be the kind of deplorable character who the Buccaneers abandon when his contract expires. But that’s not how football works — general managers can ignore warts when the on-field product is excellent.
Still, he’s not that good on the field. Winston might be one of the more overrated quarterbacks in the NFL. He exploded onto the scene in 2015 with a strong rookie season: 4,042 yards, 22 touchdowns, 15 interceptions. The expectation was that he was the next big thing. But Winston hasn’t exactly gotten better. Some meaningful stats have improved in completion percentage and yards per attempt. But the bottom line has not. The Buccaneers are still a far cry from a playoff team, and Winston is a big reason why. In fact, his three-game suspension (for sexually assaulting an Uber driver) could put them out of the running entirely. An 0-3 hole has not done good things to teams with playoffs hopes.
With his history on the field and off it, Winston isn’t the kind of player a general manager would want to commit to, which leaves Tampa Bay in a very uncertain spot going forward.
And if you are of the belief like McKenna that Jameis should be run off the team not because of his lack of leadership but because he cannot play defensive end, cannot play corner and cannot kick, then that tells Joe you pine for the glory years of Shaun King.
Remember, King is but one of three quarterbacks in Bucs history to lead Tampa Bay to an NFC championship game.
Joe may have amnesia but Joe swears he remembers Jameis winning nine games two years ago.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:05 pm
Perfect Picture lol.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:06 pm
I bet ol’ Jameis would take Rosie for an Uber ride!
August 17th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
Dear Henry,
You are 100% correct. I am really surprised that JW did not go to UM……you can’t spell scUM without UM. My neighbors daughter went to Free Shoes U….she said this creep was on the constant prowl and NEVER attended class.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:10 pm
Yea 2 yrs. ago we’ll see this year. He has good numbers except the one that counts wins.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:13 pm
Why do you keep taunting us with articles like this Joe? Would venture to say that most of us have never heard of Henry McKenna of TheBigLead.com, nor do we really care what he thinks of the Bucs. Another talking head with an opinion … big deal.
More important than what he thinks of Jameis is what all of us here in Tampa Bay think of the Bucs as a TEAM. Jameis is ONE player on a TEAM of 53 players (actually he’s not even on the TEAM for the first 3 (more likely 4) weeks so he’s basically irrelevant for about a quarter of the season). This TEAM can win without him, and hopefully it can win with him when he returns. The Glazers will decide his future with the Bucs, not McKenna and not us. In the meantime, fans need to stay positive and get behind this TEAM.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:18 pm
jw3 does have a big part of being in the bottom of the league for three years straight for offensive turnovers!!!!!!! very hard to win games until that is improved!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 17th, 2018 at 4:18 pm
By that rationale should Rothlesburger be running free? Hell he had two allegations and one was with a dude standing guard and she was underage. Or what about Ray Lewis who was covered in blood? Hmmm the double standards are overwhelming.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:22 pm
@defense rules: you are spot on. Hell, we won the Suoer Biwl with Brad Johnson. I hope the reporters pile on with these type of articles, as it will put pressure on the organization to get rid of him.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:23 pm
I wonder how she would know if he was in his classes, if she was in her classes ? Unless they had the same major.. Anyway Joe, do national media realize if we had a kicker against pats, and if the defense held the lead against bills, packers, and panthers in December, the team would have been 9-7 again ??? Last I checked that’s called a winning season…. Three of those games Winston had us with the lead late in the 4th quarter
August 17th, 2018 at 4:24 pm
Of course not. Bucs are so far off the radar it isn’t funny.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:24 pm
Defense is right, Joe. You gotta stop with this nonsense. You might as well go out on the street and solicit opinions. C’mon man, move on. We get it. My god, we get it. We’ve got since the Kinsman fiasco. What’s your deal? Why do you love to feed the fems raw meat? I thought this was a football fan page. This is not fandom. It’s irresponsible blather spewed by those herded by the PC media. Be better than that. Don’t print their crap. Those looking for that garbage can easily find it on their own. Why serve it up to the detriment of your blog?
August 17th, 2018 at 4:25 pm
If he is not good then why care if he is playing???
The ones who thinks he is not that good should be happy that he is not playing , right? Simple as that.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:26 pm
In so many words, McKenna believes Jameis should be locked in a state pen — nevermind he has never been charged with anything — and left to rot in prison.
“How long can the Buccaneers possibly stick with a player who has a history of alleged sexual abuse going back to college?”
LUCKY FOR THESE PLAYERS THEY HAVE THE NCAA AND NFL THERE TO PAY THESE WOMEN OFF.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:26 pm
McKenna hopes this politically correct sensitive angle might one day get him laid.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:27 pm
“Defense Rules Says: Why do you keep taunting us with articles like this Joe?”
Hate sells, period.
Nobody cares how this manufactured divisive rhetoric and outright lies hurts the team; as long as you and I click.
They always block the truth like this from the readers as well.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:28 pm
I wonder if he ever described Big Ben as being run out of the league because of multiple accusations?
August 17th, 2018 at 4:30 pm
I’ll take everyone thinking we’re going to be 5-11 again. National analysts thought we were going to be 11-5 before the start of last year and look what happened.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:30 pm
Funny how (wacky) joe remembers jw3 winning 9 games two years ago but not the defense or the coaches!!!!!!!!!
Hold them accountable ( right wacky joe)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 17th, 2018 at 4:33 pm
I just want to know why this schmuck thinks we are going 0-3. not a chance huh?
August 17th, 2018 at 4:33 pm
Amen to McKenna. We Bucs fans should not be blind, and see Winston for what he is……..period. Time to move on, reunite the TEAM and the FANS.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:34 pm
I’ve been waiting a couple of years for this:
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 9 points.”
August 17th, 2018 at 4:38 pm
Joe
You got me to laugh pretty hard with the headline and picture combo.
August 17th, 2018 at 4:40 pm
Yet another half-wit. Accusations are convictions in the media. Hooray. Poor guy. And no respect for being no.3 all time through the first three years (yards).
August 17th, 2018 at 4:43 pm
McKenna is a hack and you can tell in the writing. Talk about contradicting yourself within three sentences. ” The Buccaneers are still a far cry from a playoff team, and Winston is a big reason why. In fact, his three-game suspension (for sexually assaulting an Uber driver) could put them out of the running entirely. An 0-3 hole has not done good things to teams with playoffs hopes.” So Winston is terrible on the field and a big reason why the Bucs were not in the playoffs, but him not being on the field for 3 games is also the reason they will go 0-3? What? that doesn’t even make any sense.
August 17th, 2018 at 5:00 pm
Click=cash
Joe has to pay for all that stuff he keeps breaking…..
August 17th, 2018 at 5:04 pm
There is ugly, and there is ugly….and there is fugly Rosie
August 17th, 2018 at 5:11 pm
“jw3 does have a big part of being in the bottom of the league for three years straight for offensive turnovers!!!!!!! very hard to win games until that is improved!!!!!!!”
Yeah that’s been bad – but we only turned the ball over 5 more times than the NFL average last year. We punted 10 less times because we extended so many drives.
I love how this person says he hasn’t improved on the field; and acts like completion %, YPA, int % and TD:INT ratio literally mean nothing in terms of measuring QB improvement. I’m not sure what stats mean more than those figures. And they also ingore 3rd down conversions – which he’s been one of the best at in the league.
Key to elite QBs:
-convert 3rd downs – even difficult ones
-pull of game winning drives
-elevate the play of those around them
-lead high scoring offenses
-don’t lose games with turnovers
He’s covered 3 of the 5 elite QB categories. And for the most part he’s not lost games with turnovers – not tight games.
What he needs to do is cut out the 2 games a season where he implodes for 3-4 turnovers that end up being like 1/2 his total for the year.
Cut out the couple bad games + more efficeint red zone playcalling and he will post elite #’s. Hell he was easily a top 10 QB the last month of last year. But yeah he sucks lol
August 17th, 2018 at 5:12 pm
Yeah the blame belongs to the writers that call out Jameis and the Bucs. Not on Jameis. The hateful media is being divisive and could break up the team. We need to all chip in and start a go fund me page to sue these writers for libel and slander against Jameis and the bucs.
August 17th, 2018 at 5:16 pm
She lost me when she used the word “Deplorable” now all I can do is picture her in a pant suit complaining about everyone else but herself. Funny I don’t hear Jameis doing that ever. He accepts responsibility and hopefully he will turn the page. A wife and children will help with that. He will be okay if we run him off he will turn the page with another team end up being a legend and we will always be known as Cleveland of the south!
August 17th, 2018 at 5:20 pm
So you can smell a double-standard too, eh?
August 17th, 2018 at 5:21 pm
🙂
August 17th, 2018 at 5:32 pm
Agree with the big laugh from the headline/photo combo!! Nice job Joe !!
August 17th, 2018 at 5:34 pm
Gracias, Walter.
August 17th, 2018 at 5:52 pm
McKenna paints an accurate picture. Bucs are screwed
August 17th, 2018 at 5:56 pm
On the surface Jameis has a lot to prove, and he has 13 games to do it in. It’s all up to him. He better come back focused because what happens in the end will surely decide his fate.
August 17th, 2018 at 6:00 pm
Greg Says:
August 17th, 2018 at 5:04 pm
There is ugly, and there is ugly….and there is fugly Rosie
I’m thinking Joe has a side deal with the Low testosterone Doctor that advertises on here…….
I need to go see him now because after that Rosie pic my boy is scared.
August 17th, 2018 at 6:03 pm
Dillary Pickle is uglier than that fattie.
August 17th, 2018 at 6:21 pm
9 wins and the Panthers mailed in the last game what a joke
August 17th, 2018 at 6:24 pm
[Nope, Joe was wrong. Sorry. — Joe]
August 17th, 2018 at 6:41 pm
@lordcorn: in the liquor cabinet early today?
August 17th, 2018 at 7:03 pm
May I add some perspective?
Adam Gotsis DE for the Broncos was arrested on suspicion of rape in GA. He paid 50,000 bond to be released from jail. The charges have been dropped, he’s still employed by the broncos and no suspensions have been issued as of yet by the nfl.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000948076/article/broncos-adam-gotsis-wont-be-charged-in-rape-case
August 17th, 2018 at 7:04 pm
Dear sorry a$$ Anti-Bucs sheep we have discussed this issue at nausim, come to the games and be a fan or don’t..watch them or don’t. The season is just a few weeks away. Whom is this McKenna you say? Nobody, whose opinion means nothing. Never heard of the BigLead. Joe stop acting like a media Hoe He is named after a damn Whiskey which makes me wonder if the handle is fake. No I didn’t look him up on any social plaforms. We should support the Bucs and hope Jameis he puts 13 games together that but us in position to think postseason. When the season is over decisions will be made and we all can go from there.
August 17th, 2018 at 7:13 pm
“In so many words, McKenna believes Jameis should be locked in a state pen“
I didn’t read McKenna say anything about locking Jameis up, those seem to be your “many words”, Joe. That’s a bit presumptuous unless McKenna has written otherwise.
August 17th, 2018 at 7:26 pm
I think the best thing that could happen is to tell everyone another hurricane is coming, then when all the yankees flee the state we quickly build a wall so they can’t return.
August 17th, 2018 at 7:46 pm
But mom Jimmy did (fill in the blank)…mom replies…so if Jimmy cut his foot off you’d do the same?
Feel for Jameis all you want but you are not helping the cause by ignoring his transgressions…and YES he has MESSED UP more than once. Ben Roethlisberger has NOTHING to do with Jameis. This is like saying if you think Trump is an authoritarian what about Mussolini…remember what he did? Or how about Putin…has dudes murdered in other countries.
Picking the very worst example of behavior as a comparison does NOT exonerate the person who is charged with the mistakes.
I get that many of you just want to move on…that’s fine…the only positive attitude however is that perhaps THIS time JW has learned his lesson. Looks good so far in TC. It’s one of the rare times JW has been punished for his many transgressions.
Lets hope he’s grown from these stupid mistakes…ON and off the field and FINALLY begins to reach his true potential. That would be great for JW and the Bucs and their fans. We can all hope…some here still believe…sorry hope is the most I can muster right now but at least hope is a place to start.
August 17th, 2018 at 8:01 pm
“No, the ugly element of the Bucs is the quarterback situation. And McKenna puts the blame squarely on the shoulders of America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.”
I stopped reading here. I’m tired of the topic. Moved on now. Frankly, finding people who bash Jameis is far too easy because they speak from ignorance and there are a LOT of ignorant people out there.
This is our team. He is our QB. I don’t care to read what stupid people are saying.
August 17th, 2018 at 8:02 pm
Someone must have gotten banned. I see three new usernames here.
August 17th, 2018 at 8:04 pm
HowToSpellRhonde, you realize you spelled his name wring, right?
http://www.nfl.com/player/rondebarber/2499530/profile
August 17th, 2018 at 8:13 pm
Damn enough of this negative bull$h!t. Most of the times this a great site to get info on the Bucs that you can’t find anywhere else. By the way who the hell is this cat that had all this to say anyways. Never heard of him until you plugged his site.
August 17th, 2018 at 8:36 pm
“do national media realize if we had a kicker against pats, and if the defense held the lead against bills, packers, and panthers in December, the team would have been 9-7 again ???”
And by that logic, we can also say that 3 of the 5 wins were by 7 points or less, so the Bucs could just as easily have been 2-14.
‘Ifs’ and ‘buts’ is a dangerous game. Deal with the facts (5-11). There’s enough gasoline in facts to keep the fire going all season (and the Joes happy). 🙂
August 17th, 2018 at 8:40 pm
Don’t care…stopped reading after first couple of lines…SMH…
August 17th, 2018 at 8:56 pm
The Bucs beat the same number of playoffs teams in the regular season last year as the Titans and the Jags.
The difference was the Bucs didn’t play a cupcake schedule. Against teams .500 and under the Bucs were 4-1, with the only loss being that disgraceful defensive collapse in GB.
IF the Bucs played in a cupcake division and if Winston is healthy and ready to go, then the Bucs could have a big turn around.
But they play in the toughest division in football and Chris Conte is a starter on defense. That’s bad bad bad news.
August 17th, 2018 at 9:12 pm
Thanks Bonzai, I had no idea.
Are you sure nfl.com doesn’t have his name spelled incorrectly?
August 17th, 2018 at 9:21 pm
McKenna is 100% correct. All of it. And that picture made me throw up in my mouth a little
August 17th, 2018 at 11:52 pm
Dear Joe,
I’m going to take your advice and skip over the anti-Jameis articles. I’ve read enough.
Sincerely,
Tampa
August 18th, 2018 at 6:48 am
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
“I stopped reading here. I’m tired of the topic. Moved on now. Frankly, finding people who bash Jameis is far too easy because they speak from ignorance and there are a LOT of ignorant people out there.”
“This is our team. He is our QB. I don’t care to read what stupid people are saying.”
Red meat Bonzai…and the place is crawling with posers. Notice I never walked into the fray? Like you said. It’s just wash, rinse, and repeat. Plus it’s the same old clowns anyways. It’s like walking up to a street gang and mentioning the rival gang leaders name. Except we keep doing it over and over again.
Yawn.
August 18th, 2018 at 6:58 am
So there I was…walking along the grassy knoll…and who did I see in the Texas Book Depository? Yep, none other than JW3……..
August 18th, 2018 at 8:00 am
I have no respect for any writer who states opinion and speculation as actual facts. Whoever pays this man for this garbage is irresponsible and negligent. The girl at FSU lied looking to make some cash and came up short on evidence. The Uber driver didn’t view the incident to be serious enough to file any charges. Two incidents now years in the past, both questionable on proof of an actual crime, and this moron wants Jameis not only out of the league but put in prison. By that standard we’d have to declare the whole state of Texas as a prison just to have room for every guilty man in America. Ridiculous. What Jameis likely did with both women was very Presidential. Get over it.
August 18th, 2018 at 8:16 am
@ sparky
Joe is actually guilty of opinion and speculation about McKenna. There’s no mention of prison, let alone rotting in prison. This Joe is feed you chum.
August 18th, 2018 at 9:58 pm
HowToSpellRhonde Says:
August 17th, 2018 at 9:12 pm
Thanks Bonzai, I had no idea.
Are you sure nfl.com doesn’t have his name spelled incorrectly?
ROFLMFAO!!!