“Wouldn’t You Fight That Instead Of Saying, ‘I Want To Turn The Page?'”
June 23rd, 2018
A big and respected national voice weighs in on Jameis.
Back in November, America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, issued a firm statement declaring the March accusation by the female Uber driver in Arizona was false.
In case you forgot:
“A news organization has published a story about me regarding an alleged incident involving a female Uber driver from approximately two years ago. The story falsely accuses me of making inappropriate contact with this driver. I believe the driver was confused as to the number of passengers in the car and who was sitting next to her. The accusation is false, and given the nature of the allegation and increased awareness and consideration of these types of matters, I am addressing this false report immediately. At the time of the alleged incident, I denied the allegations to Uber, yet they still decided to suspend my account.
I am supportive of the national movement to raise awareness and develop better responses to the concerns of parties who find themselves in these types of situations, but this accusation is false. While I am certain that I did not make any inappropriate contact, I don’t want to engage in a battle with the driver and I regret if my demeanor or presence made her uncomfortable in any way.”
That strong denial was on the mind of premier NFL Network anchor and voice Rich Eisen, who also host a national radio show heard weekdays at 6 p.m. around Tampa Bay on WHBO-AM 1040.
Eisen was flummoxed by the popular notion that Jameis might not fight any suspension handed down by Roger Goodell in the coming days, assuming it’s for groping the Uber driver.
“Wouldn’t you fight that instead of saying, ‘I want to turn the page?’ I mean, with a contract and millions on the line?” Eisen said.
The core of Eisen’s thought is on the minds of many Bucs fans. If you didn’t do anything inappropriate, well, go to the ends of the earth to fight the charge.
Joe doubts that would benefit Jameis at all, but it certainly could help the public perception of him. On the heels of Jameis settling the civil suits surrounding him and his Florida State rape accuser back in December 2016, rolling over for the NFL will be a very bad look for a lot of fans and media.
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:41 am
Does anyone else find it ironic that the past 2 seasons during slow news month prior to training camp in nfl nfl drops winston stories trashing him. Last year with the school thing and now the suspension wasnt discussed for nearly a year and poof no news week lets break this out. Not saying he is right or wrong in all of this just find it fishy. Either way sucks for him and this franchise cause in no way shape of form is this doing our team any good whatsoever!
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:45 am
Stop. Winston gives them the ammo that they need to take these shots at him. Winston has nobody to blame but himself.
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:51 am
Omg listen to this guy, trying to blame it on a “slow news day”. Gtfoh. The guy lied. Innocent people don’t lie and they don’t have friends lie for them.
-Irate Bucs fan
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:53 am
Who the F*** cares anymore?????
I sure as hell don’t.
Winston obviously has mental issues regarding the female gender and sex
…..we’ve seen this since his days at FSU and he’s probably has had this issue his whole life
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:54 am
I think Jamis should reach out to the gunslingers he is always being compared to for some advice on how to keep the ship from sinking ( Farve & Big Ben
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:54 am
I see what he’s saying, but here’s the thing, no one who’s tried to fight a suspension based on circumstantial evidence recently, Brady & Elliot, haven’t done anything to sway the league.
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:55 am
I wonder if Winston was too intoxicated to remember the second Uber ride (hence not lying). I know most of us have had a time or two of not remembering the nights events after a night of heavy drinking.
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:58 am
“BUCS1978 Says:
June 23rd, 2018 at 8:55 am
I wonder if Winston was too intoxicated to remember the second Uber ride (hence not lying). I know most of us have had a time or two of not remembering the nights events after a night of heavy drinking.”
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this is a mute point
He should’ve never put himself in that situation to begin with
Like I said before……he has mental issues
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:00 am
That’s a complete lie what Jameis s tated above.
She was confused on how many people in vehicle. Trying to make her look like the liar.
It was only you brother.
And it appears you were clicked off drunk so you are confused ? Or just don’t know what happened .
Let’s do a poll- do you think the Joe’s care that Jameis lied to his employer that wants to pay him 100 million dollars ? Americas quarterback who moves his needle for the Joe’s. I don’t know if he groped that woman . I do know he lied to the owner GM and coach, fans and probably most importantly his teammates. How can you trust him moving Forward.
The Joe’s can . He represents americas greatness.
Boooooooo
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:05 am
Infamous Jamis has been a self-indulgent punk his entire life. Because he is a good football player, he has received special treatment. That is not uncommon in our modern world-right Mrs. Clinton?
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:06 am
IMO not fighting with the NFL = where there is smoke, there is fire
If I was in Jameis’ shoes, there is NO WAY I go down without a big fight. This is not only his reputation you are talking about, this will cost Jameis is MILLIONS! i want to believe him. But the fact Jameis is not fighting for his life to ensure his rep screams that there is no way his hands are clean!
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:07 am
I just wish this suspension came out in April we could have dumped winston to the streets and drafted Josh Rosen.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:09 am
Good idea Winston, Im ready to turn the page also….. on you.
This town dosent deserve this after giveing you a free pass on all your collage days with the stupid things you did there.
Guess my FSU niece was right about you.all along which I closed my ears to and gave the benifit of doubt to you.
No more.
Go away please, we will be fine without the drama.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:19 am
How can anyone defend Jaymiss at this point. Why does it take two years to find out that Mr. Winston was in an Uber alone with this young lady? Jaymiss knew this the morning he took the Uber. Like any sexual offender, he had his prey alone at that time and he did what entitled athletes and other sexual offenders do.
Please don’t anyone be so ignorant as to say it’s “he said/she said,” because she immediately reported the incident to Uber and Jaymiss’s Uber account was suspended. Of course, Jaymiss, being the stand up sexual offender that he is, did not report this to the Bucs. How on earth could he not report an incident of this magnitude? Of course it’s eventually going to come out in the press that he put his hand over her crotch for a few seconds. How do you think this poor woman feels when she is alone in a car with a drunken pro athlete who is at least double her size?
It’s time to stop sniffing Jaymiss’s jock. Stop defending this clown. Don’t blame me, I wanted Mariota.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:22 am
Jason Licht needs to be on the phone with the Eagles about Nick Foles
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:22 am
@ TheBucsAnthem
It’s called a moot point.
Here we go again with mental issues. Everyone on this blog thinks they’re a doctor of psychology when it comes to players.
I’m very disappointed in all of this and not sure what to make of it. Jameis was 22 at the time, but it’s no excuse especially with his previous history. The biggest issue for me is if he really did do it and knew that, and has been lying this whole time. Are we going to believe some guy in prison serving time for his own transgressions? Why would he come forward about that if it wasn’t true? I would question why he was unnamed all this time, but that is answered knowing he’s serving 15 years for his own sexual assault. Everyone would’ve been out for Jameis off the get go if knowing he was the third passenger were public.
In the FSU case, Jameis was acquitted after 6 different investigations which included Tallahassee PD, FSU, State, and others. The girl kept changing her story. And eventually deffered everything to her attorney and wouldn’t answer any questions with investigators because her stories didn’t match up. Then the girl went after Jameis in a civil suit, including FSU. In that whole case, it was also all brought publicly well after the incicdent. I believe a year. And it’s worth noting that the same attorney reached out and worked with the girl involved in the Uber Incident. A year later.
All this stinks. It’s a lot to consider.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:27 am
He was staring at six games, as Florio suggested, it was pleaded down to three with no appeal……he could have appealed the six games but they just don’t win those, might have been reduced to four so the three is probably the best he could do…
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:29 am
Joe with the third-party going public is it possible to confirm using his old cell phone if he indeed called Uber for the second car. All of that is time stamped including the location. That would confirm if he was with Jamison or not. If not it would confirm Jamess lied to the Buccaneers which is definitely something to get rid of him for And the NFL would jump the suspension back up to six minimum.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:31 am
Maybe I missed this in previous news post or article. But could the suspension be tied to Him not reporting the incident to the NFL and not that he did anything to the Uber driver? I would have thought a longer suspension for sexual assault.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:36 am
Jameis has major issues he talks leadership and family then displays erratical behavior. That game when he came off the sideline and touched a player on the field was very bizarre! If he can switch like that in a live football game what’s he like behind closed doors? I think Winston is the best self salesmen ever but it’s all a smoke screen! This kid needs help and I hope the Bucs get it for him football should be the least of his worries right now, hope he gets the help he needs..
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:38 am
BTW….Maybe I missed this and somebody has posted about it…but does anybody know if Jameis has a clause in his contract that gives the Bucs an out to just walk away…no expense?
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:47 am
I defended Jameis tirelessly since he was drafted. I know there isnt any concrete proof but with what has been made available, it looks questionable at best. Lets just say I feel foolish defending this guy now.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:49 am
To all the people defending Jameis to the extreme degree aka joebucs
Answer this question and take whether he groped this woman or not out of equation. Forget whether you are a fsu diehard fan
If you are the owner of your own business and your star employee just did something unethical and it goes viral and you start losing business / customers as a result of his actions/ lies
Do you keep him as an employee. Better yet do you give him a raise (100 mil) and invest more time and resources to him?
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:50 am
Throwing this out there but dont the bucs employ their own kind if investigative former police officers or investigators? So shouldnt they know the truth one way or the other good or basd, and if they were able to find out anything negative then they should have gone and grabbed a qb this year, bucs may be on another 5 year rebuilding project
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:52 am
Jameis would have been better off fighting the 6 games all the way and continuing to deny wrongdoing….pleading drunk on the ride alone…..and there would always be at least some question of his guilt….but now, by taking the 3 games without objection, Jameis is at least pleading “no contest”…..he looks to be guilty….and that is worse for him going forward.
Keep in mind it’s not the original crime but the cover-up that becomes the problem.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:55 am
Fly Fisher…And Donnie isn’t?
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:55 am
If this info didn’t come from Roger Goodell or any top NFL executive, then we are wasting time speculating. That includes everyone on TV shows minus Adam Scheter.
Anyone in prison would be willing to lie for a lesser sentence or favor, to get revenge on someone they think wronged them, just want attention, or all the above. Heck they don’t need to know the person to lie on them. A lot of prisoners rat on another prisoner, while claiming to live by the no snitching rule.
Can you all learn the difference between sexual assault and sexual harassment please? Hint what the accuser said Jameis did is sexual harassment. Aka flirting.
June 23rd, 2018 at 9:56 am
I wonder if Tmax would blame this all on GMC……or would he have a new Cancer3….instead of Cancer93.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:00 am
TBBF… I think he thought that if he fought it and did the six games, it would be a never ending saga. He is willing to take it and move on. If he thought he could win the fight, I think he would, but he can’t. It is a no win situation. For his sake, let’s hope he gets the counseling he needs and gets past this. I have no ill will towards him, though he obviously needs help, if he will accept it.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:02 am
“I believe the driver was confused as to the number of passengers in the car and who was sitting next to her.” = idiot. Who crafted this statement? Jaboo may’ve ultimately hung himself out to dry with his own dumb words here. This never needed to be in there. It’s such a malicious and unnecessary attack on the driver and positions his belief as fact- giving investigators the impetus they needed to scrutinize his alibi and totality of circumstances vs specifically focusing on the alleged assault itself.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:03 am
Wrong Red… Grabbing someones privates is Sexual Assault. He didn’t know her from any other female. It was far beyond saying something sexually provocative or leading, in an unwanted fashion.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:04 am
Frank…even if he didn’t make up the story..he stood by it instead of correcting it. That makes it as much his whether he made it up or not, as anyone else.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:04 am
Trump must be a MANIAC
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:06 am
Playing devil’s advocate here; neither Jameis nor Darby named Banks as the third passenger, who is consequently serving 15 years in prison for sexual assault. If Banks was convicted of sexual assault to that degree, it would makes sense that he was the one grabbing crotches. And Jameis and Darby seemingly didn’t want to identify him. And when the NFL reached out to Banks (in prison) he also deffered any questioning to his attorney.
However now all of a sudden when the story about Jameis’s suspension breaks, Bank’s attorney speaks out and says the claim is Jameis took a second ride by himself. That story aligns with the accuser saying Jameis was by himself as well. So what really happened here? And why come out with this now? Is there an accusation of Banks?
I believe the proof is in Jameis’s phone and in the Uber ride account. If he took a second ride, it will really look bad. In which case Darby probably knew he did, as did obviously Jameis, and they claimed innocence by recounting the first ride. Or, this same attorney who has been weasling every way possible to get money out of Jameis and ruin his career, went out and found this Uber accuser to go after him again. We really need that investigation report. But it may not reveal much.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:11 am
Mark- I 100% agree. I suspect what he’s getting nailed on here, from an evidentiary perspective, is the deconstruction of his alibi (where he was, who he was with) vs did he grab her. The latter is VERY difficult to prove absent an recording or other physical evidence- it’s also unnecessary from the perspective of the league’s conduct policy and CBA. Meaning, they likely can nail him for the statement, his failure to correct it, the misrepresentation of facts by himself/ Darby, any withholdings/lack of disclosure- without ever having to draw a conclusion on the alleged assault.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:13 am
Our society has lost it. No criminal charges – period. The extent of tvhe she-said claim is he touched me for 3-5 seconds and when I said “what’s up with that” he backed off. WOW.
IMO stay away from ALL social media, and new economy garbage like uber where you are interacting with non-professionals who are looking to flirt and then get busted.
Who puts a stranger as the only passenger in the front seat of a paid-for car service? NFL should NOT investigate anything unless it rises to a criminal complaint – period. The whole thing is a comedy and America has become the Roman Coliseum with MOB rule and constant shouting until the angry mob gets what it wants.
The NFL says they support black players protesting criminal system injustice and then MR Morality himself Roger Goodell drops the hammer on anything and if he can’t find much SO WHAT hammer anyway.
Total JOKE.
Winston is getting media railroaded and Goodell is a weak leader playing to the mob.
Nothing burger hear. NFL is eating its own.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:17 am
How did the original story break?
I’m assuming there are only three entities that would’ve had the information: Her Uber or JW (who apparently might not remember).
That or Darby or Banks sold him out for money? Would seem Darby has his own money, and no problem covering for JW…
I believe the girl was going to let it go, I mean she didn’t file a police report, or get a lawyer until the story broke…
So maybe Uber calls the NFL with “we’ve got something you really need to see here”
There has to be something to how it got out in the first place
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:21 am
Jameis has no proof that he didn’t…..(almost impossible to prove a negative) and she has no proof that he did…..
But….the story about multiple passengers sunk Jameis….it’s the cover-up that gives her more credibility. Jameis felt he couldn’t win a fight and I agree….but fighting is winning if you are in the right….there would be many who would stick with him….if he gives in…then we have no choice.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:21 am
I already have JW Uber burnout 😴😴😴
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:26 am
Thanks Lovie.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:31 am
We are now able to understand why the NFL investigation took so long, it had to sort through all the lies and obstruction… this alone is enough to slap Jameis with suspension …. he has lost trust and the benefit of the doubt…. he will always be looked at as a smiling liar
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:32 am
This is a simple microcosm of American Culture, morality, and world representation. The divisiveness between us (The Fans) is a sample of how we view Kneeling during The National Anthem, Racism, and the lack of ability to assume responsibility by owners, management, and the NFL. You can change the channel on your TV and see in all walks of life perpetual discourse. We love it, role in it, for it has become “We The People.” The only thing Jameis is guilty of is becoming “America’s QB” and the face of us all.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:33 am
For all of us waiting on “the report” from the NFL, it won’t say much, Probably something like Jameis Winston is suspended three games for violating the leagues personal conduct policy. I wanna know how or why it was “negotiated” from 6 games to 3, if that is indeed true. Pretty sure Goodell isn’t gonna call me up to let me know however.
Chances are, we may never know. Doesn’t matter either way, the “Genie” of public opinion can’t be put back in the bottle.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:37 am
Everyone says he shouldn’t put himself in that situation… Let’s think about this, he’s at a party. Drinking. Instead of drinking and driving home he takes an Uber..
Also, the recent reports said Jameis friends hailed and put him in that Uber.. not Jameis..
Not saying this is true but that girl coulve been friendly and leading him on during the ride and when the intoxicant crossed the line she let him know..
It’s fishy not criminal charges have been pressed
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:40 am
This is all bs. He may be tired of so many people trying to take him down. I like the kid and he’s the best QB we’ve had in forever
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:47 am
Wasn’t bad judgement the core issue when the Glazers were considering drafting Winston? I honestly don’t think the Glazers even considered Mariotta. Where is Derrick Brooks right now? He sold Lovie and the Glazers on this turd.
This joker makes bad decisions on and off the field.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:49 am
You can believe he is innocent….and always has been of any accusation.
You can’t believe he was smart…..or honest or loyal to his team….not at least from what we know now.
I support JW going forward…..he needs to come clean, get some help and stop fumbling.
We should be able to get a very team friendly contract if there is interest…and the will be a question of that.
I’m sure Joe will do a Winston pole once more info is provided…..hell, OBP & bUC.COM have nothing on this yet.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:50 am
poll….
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:51 am
It’s pointless to fight this, bigger names than Jameis have tried and failed to get suspensions overturned and they have just proven to be big distractions. Goodell doesn’t want to end up with egg on his face again after screwing up as badly as he did with the Ray Rice case, so screw him and let’s focus on the season ahead.
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:54 am
The longer JW stays quiet the less I want him here
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:11 am
Of course Winston simply wants to “turn the page”…..who can blame him…..the problem is that it has been made far worse by……Winston. The lying and trying to hide things (if true) are a serious problem.
This isn’t like losing a game and simply looking forward to the next game…..this sticks.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:11 am
Crucify Jameis for something we’ll never know if he did or didn’t. But you can become president for inappropriate touching, on camera saying grab pussies and sleeping with pornstars and playmates. This is what is known! Go figure!
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:15 am
Joe, out of curiosity, am I in the cooler? Several times have posted a comment that didn’t appear then, but did appear like 1-2 hours later. Several didn’t appear at all. Someone else mentioned having the same thing happen. (Doing yardwork today, and actually the cooler would feel good).
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:16 am
We want to crucify Jameis for something we’ll never know is true or not. The president gets elected by inappropriate touching, on camera talking about grabbing pussies and sleeping with playmates and pornstars. Go figure!
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:20 am
But you’ll change some people’s minds.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:26 am
How do you guys know it’s a cover up? Was the lady in the car when he was alone? Was she the one driving when it was him and his friends? Did she pick him up twice? Maybe they did not mention the other ride when he was alone because she wasn’t the one how picked him up? Does any one have any real facts, not speculation?
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:27 am
Defense….this happened to me also…..and to SB…..I think there is a problem with posters who have once been in the cooler……if you were…..maybe something with our IP Address.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:29 am
“Good idea Winston, Im ready to turn the page also….. on you.
This town dosent deserve this after giveing you a free pass on all your collage days with the stupid things you did there.
Guess my FSU niece was right about you.all along which I closed my ears to and gave the benifit of doubt to you.
No more.
Go away please, we will be fine without the drama.”
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It’s really hard to take opinions seriously when simple words can’t be spelled correctly.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:30 am
This one is for 87……and I feel your pain…..
Here I am, on the road again
There I am, up on the stage
Here I go, playin’ star again
There I go, turn the page
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:32 am
The complaint was Winston placed his hand on her crotch. Groping would involve moving fingers. Get a grip, everybody lies, little white lies and big whopper lies. No one here can say they have never lied, lying is what humans do every day. Humanity reflects those ruling over them and look at that pack of liars.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:46 am
What’s the point, people have already made up their minds.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:50 am
Newsflash.
Even if the accusations are true, it is not sexual assault.
According to the driver (Kate), he reached out and put his hand there for 3-5 seconds, and removed it when she told him too.
Sexual assault is forced. If a woman says no and it continues, it is considered assault. She said no, and he stopped.
NOT ASSAULT.
That;s assuming any of it is true, which I find doubtful in the first place.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:50 am
Me thinks he needs to have a pow wow with Kobe and Ben Roethesberger on what to do.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:54 am
TheBucsAnthem Says
“this is a mute point
He should’ve never put himself in that situation to begin with”
That is such a crock. Uber puts itself out there as a replacement to taking cabs. What are players told? Don’t drive when drunk. Call a cab or Uber.
But even so…it was Darby and Banks who called and put him in the cab, according to stories. Winston was too drunk, and supposedly became too uncontrolled, so they sent him home. They even put him in the front seat themselves.
Your claim that he should not have been in that situation is not true. Had nothing happened, it would have been viewed as the smart thing to do.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:55 am
Bottom line is…
JW3 isn’t going anywhere. Even if he should.
It’s a damn shame. I don’t think he’s a great QB but he was still in line for a big payday despite that. I mean if Sam Bradford can get 20 million guaranteed every time he switches teams, I’m sure JW has some value in todays market.
Think of all the good he could do , Ala JJ Watt Chris Long, Malcolm Jenkins, Warrick Dunn just to name a few.
All for playing a game that he’s not particularly playing well… They say you can’t fix stupid. Or deep seeded character/woman issues, apparently.
Dude could have most any woman he wants or wanted. Why you gotta mess with an defenseless Uber driver? smdh
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:56 am
jmarkbuc Says
“All for playing a game that he’s not particularly playing well…”
That is totally stupid. Jameis Winston broke records every season he played and last year he did it while his throwing shoulder was injured. Give me a break.
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:58 am
Fight it for what? What he’s being suspended for he absolutely deserves. I know that anyone with common sense though should know that if he was deemed to not only have lied but to have groped this woman, his suspension would be way more than 3 games. He’s getting what he’s getting for failure to report and being in the company of someone like Banks where this could have even been in question with his perceived track record coming into the league
June 23rd, 2018 at 11:58 am
Bonzai,
While HIGHLY inappropriate (and worthy ground for dismissal from Uber) I agree with you. I just asked my wife in the room the same question and she agreed it isn’t assault based on those grounds. She noted she’d be pissed and very upset if someone did that to her (as would I!!).
The big thing with this though is that if Winston intentionally mislead the team (and the NFL), it’s a very concerning factor in my eyes and totally worthy of the 3 games, if not more. Is the sole actions of this worthy of getting rid of him? No, but it definitely devalues his potential future earnings.
Like Joe (I believe, correct me if wrong) has mentioned though, you can’t release Winston and just let another team grab him. Another team absolutely will pick him up if we cut him (albeit at a discount rate), and all past investments will be for not.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:00 pm
He doesn’t fight because he knows what he did.
It’s one thing to have a lawyerly statement released about being a victim of slander, but another thing to defend it in a “court” such as an NFL Committee, when the Committee spent thousands on investigations.
Both know what happened.
He isn’t the first drunken knucklehead to make an awkward pass at a gal. I suspect most here have done so.
But in today’s hyper-PC #MeToo world, an accusation is as bad as a conviction.
EWrong decade, Winston. And you were an idiot.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:00 pm
Bonzai,
When being drunk becomes an excuse…we are all in deep trouble.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:06 pm
So exactly why is everyone taking Banks’ claim that he was never the one alone with her and that it was Winston despite Darby and Winston saying as much? He’s going to have parole hearings coming up and he has even more to lose than Winston. Just odd to me how your fans ran with his account over your own QB.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:09 pm
By the way, that’s why he got 3 games. In no universe ever should he have been in the company of a guy like Banks where this could have ever become an issue, so there is nothing for him to fight. That on top of failure to report gets you three games…lying and covering up as wildly being speculated gets you 6 or 8.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:10 pm
Silent
JW ain’t denying it. Now.
Bonzai
Clearly, there are plenty of broken records around here.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:16 pm
By the way, the Uber driver never accounts for seprate trips. Even by Banks’ own self serving account, he was in the car with Darby who says definitively that Winston was never up front. Even if you go on the premise that they sent him on to a separate destination, why then would he be up front as this was apparently one ride where those two got out of the car (highly unlikely that this is the case since Banks is the only one saying this but whatever).
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:21 pm
jmarkbuc ,
Denying what? The unsourced accusations that no one knows what’s in his suspension letter nor might never know? Josh Brown got a game for repeatedly beating his wife. Everyone is speculating based on the perceived harshness of the punishment but have no facts to back it up. What you’re running with doesn’t even make sense as the baseline he would have been suspended with the Elliot precedence as his past in college was cited to justify 6 games. You don’t think Winston would have gotten the same if not more for lying on top of that with his past layered on top to boot? Think for yourself.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:23 pm
Just odd to me that the whole basis of this “Winston got caught lying” narrative is based on reporters all, as usual, taking one source and running with it, which is the word of a guy in prison’s lawyer who has to protect his client’s future parole prospects. I guarantee you that I might have made advances on a stranger while awaiting trial wouldn’t have looked good on the resume.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:32 pm
@Silent Partner
2 separate rides. not the same driver
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Silent
All JW has to do is get some press time and clear this all up for us.
But he chooses to remain, well, Silent
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Oh, by the way, the thought that the NFL scrutinized GPS records and such is silly. People stop it. That’s hard for actual law enforcement agencies to get let alone the keystone cops. He was always getting suspended for failure to report. He got 3 games for being in the company of a questionable character like Banks. The rest is he say-she say with Darby and Winston intimating that Banks is the only person who might have done anything untoward. The NFL’s position is that you can’t be in this position with a character like Banks to begin with. That’s the whole of this story. All of this nonsense about that he got caught lying and he definitely did this is silliness. Now if you want to cut the best QB your franchise has ever had over this, I’ll assure you that there will be many franchises that would be happy you make that mistake. I doubt even the Glazers are that dumb and realize this is the slow season.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:38 pm
jmarkbuc ,
There is nothing to clear up. He and Darby have stated their case of what happened. You choose to believe the words of the guy in prison who didn’t speak on the record but leaked out a different account through his lawyer and has parole hearings coming up. Good luck with that bud.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:40 pm
passthebuc ,
According to Banks lawyer. All of this is according to Banks lawyer who never has actually spoken to NFL investigators.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:43 pm
@Tom Edrington
this is what i have being hearing in the background too.
You will not win an appeal with the NFL of today because its really not about right or wrong – its more about protecting the brand.
Personally i would like to see congress look at the tax exemptions the NFL has been afforded for many years.
I have to imagine that we will prolly never know what actually happened that night. . . but the optics are terrible for winston, the bucs and the NFL
Take the 3 game and move on. . .
ben roethlisberger did far worse early in his career and was able to move past it (as far as we know)
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:45 pm
By the way, if this lying/covering up/he did it narrative was actually the basis of his suspension, Darby would have gotten suspended too, and as I’ve stated earlier, the league wouldn’t be cutting Winston any slack under 6 games considering the backlash they received from low penalties levied in the past. I think the Elliot case proved that last year.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:50 pm
Silent –
2 trips at 2 different times by 2 drivers.
What Darby said was “partially” true. . . during the first ride JW was in the back seat with him and there was a 3rd party in the front seat – during THAT ride nothing happened.
Later that night they put an effed up Winston in another uber and that is when potentially the incident happened.
IF the Bucs want to stay with Winston as the face of the franchise they will probably have to do what Dallas did with Bryant – make sure he has a ride AND a bodyguard/handler at ALL times – NFL teams can do this. . . . it is what it is
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Silent
I choose to believe the Uber driver. Phone records could verify that without a doubt, I imagine. I don’t need those. This girl hasn’t asked for anything, not even notoriety.
As for Darby, I don’t know what the penalty for lying to help your Bro is exactly.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:53 pm
BucNole ,
This is the bottom line to Winston is that the optics are bad for him, which is mainly why he got 3 games, and in my opinion, deservedly so. He should never have been in that position and never can again, which is probably why he’s done what a many a guy has done in the past, is settling down, having a family, and also has sworn off alcohol in order to prevent these incidents in the future. Tampa fans should just hope that’s what’s taken from this because silly people, no one is cutting him nor should you want them to. He had a 95 rating last year and no matter how many times you claim he’s not good, people who know football know better and know that your team stunk last year, namely the running game and your historically terrible defense. Glazers aren’t giving that up.
June 23rd, 2018 at 12:59 pm
jmarkbuc,
It’s not a matter of believing her or him and Darby. It’s a matter of believing (A) when this happened and (B) if Banks was in the car when it happened. The NFL has no idea because Banks didn’t speak to them, so my question is why is this fan base sure of what happened? All you know is that his account got suspended and that someone in his party got accused of touching a driver. That’s it. You have no idea who was in the car when it happened, if she knew who she was driving, etc., and I say that just because Banks is the only person (through his lawyer statements) saying that he wasn’t in the car when anything happened, which should be a red flag. As I said previously this guy has way more to lose than Winston people.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:03 pm
Darby would be in a lot of trouble if it was proven that he was covering up for him. The Patriot employees who were said to be covering up for Brady got suspended by the league for this exact thing, and these were regular Joe Schmoes, but Darby got caught lying and it’s all good? Again people, think for yourselves.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:04 pm
Silent
Continue to defend Jameis if you so desire. The genie is out of the bottle.
Jameis apologists are negotiating from a position of weakness . Not a lot of credibility for them, or Jameis . Thems the facts.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:07 pm
In the day and age of the #metoo movement, JW should never put himself in alone with any woman that he does not know without a witness.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:09 pm
Also, that’s why this situation is as clear as mud. Phone records would not have cleared up anything because Uber doesn’t call you. They text you on their app as I understand it, and last time I checked, text messages not only aren’t detailed like call logs but also that app isn’t going to be tracked like that. It’ll just say whose account it was, detail that 1 to 4 passengers were in a ride, and that the trip was completed. Go back and listen to that voice mail left for him. The guy says I understand that “somebody in your party did something.”
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:12 pm
jmarkbuc ,
Negotiating? What is there to negotiate. I’m not a Buc fan, so I could care less. You obviously are, and so you might want to reconcile that he’s going to be your QB the next few years instead of wildly speculating. I suppose you don’t like him, but I’m just giving you the cold facts of what is working here so that you don’t sound so emotional and fragile on this subject when discussing it.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:15 pm
It’s called GPS data
And I’m fully aware he’s not going anywhere, but thanks for the heads up.
Fragile?, Naw I’ve been a Bucs fan for 40 yrs, Buc Fans have been through a lot and called many things but fragile ain’t one of them.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:16 pm
Like I just pointed to the Patriot employees getting suspended as evidence that Darby would have gotten suspended for a coverup as well. What’s your retort….Jameis apologist, negotiating (despite me saying his suspension was just right), blah, blah, blah. Basically, a bunch of nonsense instead of discussing this thing with any rationality. It must suck to root for a team when you hate one of the main players. That’s a miserable life. Might want to take a few years off bro.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:18 pm
jmarkbuc ,
And you actually think the NFL could get that from 2+ years ago? Yes, you are really naive. Hey, actual law enforcement couldn’t get that in murder cases and terrorism cases (I know since I see this all of the time), but the NFL cracked the code. SMH.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:20 pm
Maybe Winston doesn’t want to fight this because he now knows that he has nothing to fight with
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:24 pm
It’s why I said there is nothing for him to fight. The evidence would be impossible to track down, the other guy in question here has his future parole to protect, so he’s not cooperating, and Jameis put himself in this situation. To put up a futile fight so Buc fans can feel good does no one any favors. I am saying that to automatically to jump to think he’s guilty is pretty silly too though considering that the only person out of the three guys telling a different story is the guy in prison with so much to lose. Hey, but that’s just me.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:24 pm
Can someone explain to me why we hold a grown man who plays a game for a living more accountable than the president of the U.S. We want to crucify Jameis for something no one knows is true or not. The president can do inappropriate touching, on camera say he grabs women by the pussy and sleep with playmates and porn stars and (that’s what we know about). Go figure! What a bizarro world we are living in!
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:24 pm
I’ve said this before and it’s worth saying again. If Winston says he’s innocent then why not appeal the suspension? If he waits until almost the conclusion of training camp then makes an appeal, there’s a possibility this won’t be resolved until later in the season. In the meantime this would allow Jameis to possibly QB the first 3 crucial games of the season. Does anyone see the logic?
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:26 pm
It must suck to not even be a Buc Fan, but come here and do a crime scene investigation..
I’m sure all Buc fans appreciate you taking time away from CSI reruns to donate your two cents worth.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:29 pm
Genco it was 2 years ago. Me too then meant nothing.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:31 pm
jmarkbuc ,
It’s actually great because I don’t get emotional over these teams. Just giving you a sober perspective. You can take it or leave it. Kind of like before last year I told you that your team wasn’t that great despite some of you thinking you had a playoff caliber squad, something more laughable I cannot think of.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:33 pm
Silent
For example in location tracking, since July 2008, AT&T indefinitely keeps data about which cell towers were used by your phone. Verizon stores your cell-site data for “1 rolling year.” Sprint and Nextel keep it for 18 – 24 months. Virgin Mobile’s is ‘not retained’ but can be obtained through Sprint.
So some carriers keep it AT LEAST up to 24 months, maybe longer
Naive
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:37 pm
Wtf ,
That’s the world you’ve always lived in. Rules are selectively applied to people depending on what people feel at that moment. POTUS aligned himself with a political side in this country, so that’s going to supersede everything else for those people. There are people who have hated Winston since November 2013 when the Kinsman accusation first came to light, and they’re not budging on that unless he does a similar alignment like POTUS with them on some bigger issue for them to make them give him a second look. That’s just his reality, and he has to wear it the rest of his career if not life, just look at Roethlisberger.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:38 pm
And if he can live with it, which he obviously can, the fans should live with it. He’s your QB. That’s not changing for at least another 10 or so years barring injury, so get behind him.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:40 pm
Jw has embarassed the whole franchise …an innocent man does not lie and only a fool would continue to defend him For the sake of winning a football game..hes not worth it.he sure ain’t America’s qb.never was.never will be.all the koolaide drinking defenders of him are delusional.what a mess you’ve made of things jw.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:41 pm
jmarkbuc ,
I’m well aware of what is kept, and like I said, that information you’re talking about wouldn’t be available. Tracking calls is different from data, GPS data,and especially SMS messages. Just letting you know if you want to know. There are just some of us who work with this stuff for a living, but carry on speculating if you must.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:43 pm
Jbravo ,
Yes, that .380 winning percentage is real hard to embarrass. Fake outrage.
June 23rd, 2018 at 1:47 pm
Maybe I missed the facts and findings on the groping? Anyone have that? Got it on why an org like the NFL would/can suspend him…its in the CBA. Not sure without the facts/findings why a true fan would start crying things like he’s a rotten apple, immoral, and we should have found out earlier so we could have cut him and drafted someone else. Don’t understand that. Still have high expectations for the team and JW when he returns. Still a real football and Bucs fan. Go Bucs!
June 23rd, 2018 at 2:11 pm
Silent
You can’t read
June 23rd, 2018 at 2:14 pm
No, you can’t read what you wrote yourself. But I’ll let you keep making a fool out of yourself talking about something you’re not an SME on.
June 23rd, 2018 at 2:18 pm
Like I just told you that it’s extremely difficult for even law enforcement to get phone records, let alone data records, let alone GPS data, let alone going back over 2 years, but dude is telling me the NFL, who has botched a many a case over the last few years, is better at it because he basically hates Winston which colors everything you’ve written, and that’s just the bottom line. Hilarious.
June 23rd, 2018 at 2:22 pm
For example in location tracking, since July 2008, AT&T indefinitely keeps data about which cell towers were used by your phone.
Like I said earlier, I believe the driver anyway, so phone records don’t really matter.
Can’t you just troll your own team site?
June 23rd, 2018 at 2:34 pm
No, I’d rather tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve got time this morning since it’s a Saturday. I hate when people repeat nonsense when they have no idea what they’re talking about is all.
For instance, you keep posting something you Googled or something without conceding what I told you. GPS data and wireless data is difficult for law enforcement to get with subpoenas and court filings even in a reasonable time amount, which would inherently make it nearly impossible for the NFL to do so. First of all, you kind of need to give the cell phone company a real good reason to spend their resources on tracking something down from that long ago if it even existed, thus why it’s difficult for even you as a paying customer to call them and say hey, can you send me over my GPS data from 2 years ago. That I’m telling you this is why this never happens absent a warrant (if the data is even still recoverable) just proves how ignorant you are on this and want to remain though on this subject, as you said from jump, I believe not only the Uber driver (who I never said you shouldn’t believe to begin with anyway), but you also believe the guy in prison who is the whole fuel for why you’re believing Winston lied to anybody or did anything wrong to begin with.
June 23rd, 2018 at 2:39 pm
All I originally said was that there was nothing to fight or clear up because there is no evidence to present or scrutinize from the NFL’s standpoint except that Winston put himself in a bad situation from their PR perspective, he failed to report the incident, and then it got into the news cycle. Three games for that sounds just about right to me.
June 23rd, 2018 at 3:42 pm
“guarantee you that I might have made advances on a stranger while awaiting trial wouldn’t have looked good on the resume.”
dudes not going to try to get sex before going to jail? lol
June 23rd, 2018 at 7:17 pm
OK–this is a prediction:
Winston will give a statement on day he gets the word from NFL. He will say lots of stuff that he supports metoo movement. He will explain that he was so intoxicated that he may or may not of committed this act. He will apologize to all of us and make sure he tells us that he was in the uber with the other two and thought that was the trip being referenced. He didn’t realize he was ever alone with this girl. He was having one of many blackouts that night. He will do better going forward.
Now for me, a far right conservative, this is all I need to move on except there is nothing to prevent future episodes so I strongly suggest the Bucs management make Winston have a “security” guard keep him company 24/7, someone to prevent hostile attacks and provide a witness as needed. Winston leaves the home with this man who keeps Winston in easy reach 100% of the time excepting in private quarters. So that is the solution to get Winston out there with this statement even if not true then provide his keeper till Winston is no longer a Buc.
June 23rd, 2018 at 7:33 pm
Personally-(as a woman)-I could absolutely care less if he groped this girl–she could of gotten out of her car at any point-she was in control, she said stop and he did and she was irritated. The story ends there–not much of a story. I believe Winston is a good enough player for Bucs to keep. I am sorry he will be suspended, I look forward to seeing our defense play–sure we can still be competitive in those games that JW misses.
June 23rd, 2018 at 7:45 pm
Jameis himself told you what he likes to do when he jumped on that table while at fsu.. Grab her in the p___y! He yelled it… Nuff said
June 23rd, 2018 at 10:30 pm
I’m Old School and an Old Man. I’m tired of all these young generation youngins saying “I’m Sorry” or “I really didn’t mean what I said”. Please look over me and forgive me and don’t do anything to me because I really didn’t mean it….. Damn man you did it , lied about it and expect the next day to be like OK don’t worry about it man it’s ok that you grabbed someone against their wishes and lied about it. We are going to still pay you millions and forget about it. Man the way I see it JW 3 is lucky that girls Daddy or Boyfriend hasn’t looked him up and kicked the air out of his Jaboo’s ass!!!! I know what my Daddy would have done if somebody had done this to his little Baby Girl!!!!