No Easy Fix
June 10th, 2018
Former Bucs OL talks Jameis, DJax.
Consider Ian Beckles worried.
The former Bucs guard and current popular radio voice in the Tampa Bay area sounded off recently on a subject that annoys Bucs fans to no end. That is how America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and DeSean Jackson couldn’t hook up on long passes last year.
Why would Beckles be worried? He is not impressed that Jameis and Jackson have worked out a lot this offseason on bombs.
In so many words, while well-intentioned, Beckles believes that’s more for show than substance, so he said on his “In the Trenches” podcast.
“This offseason that is something Jameis and DeSean Jackson are going to have to take care of,” Beckles said. “I don’t know how they are going to do it. You can’t really simulate game speed. You can go out there and run all the routes you want. But when the adrenaline is flowing and you are at game speed, everything is a bit different. When you add in the pressure, that makes things different.”
Unlike a lot of Bucs fans, Joe isn’t sweating this one bit. If those two can connect, great. If not, real simple, quit calling plays that don’t work!
Joe doesn’t think the Bucs will or will not be a winning team just because one play doesn’t work. The reason why the Bucs stunk last year wasn’t because of Jameis’ inability to connect with Jackson on bombs.
Joe will say this: If Jameis can connect with Mike Evans (he can) and he can connect with Cam Brate (he can) and he can connect with O.J. Howard (he can) and he can connect with Chris Godwin (he can) but he cannot connect with Jackson? Well, Joe doesn’t think it is outrageous to suggest the fault isn’t fully in Jameis’ lap.
If those two still struggle to get on the same page, then Joe would not be surprised if Jackson is playing elsewhere in 2019.
June 10th, 2018 at 12:12 am
If they can’t connect long, put Jackson in the slot and send Hump to the bench. Hump might get you a first down at best….Jackson can go to the house on any play. There’s only so many touches to go around and Jackson offers 10x the upside. If all we see him as is a long ball guy and they can’t connect, then just trade him…
June 10th, 2018 at 12:28 am
Jesus, what’s with the Ian beckles Obsession Joe? Ffs… I think one per week is about right with this dude. There are a thousand Talking Heads out there…
June 10th, 2018 at 12:57 am
When one of these thousands you speak of have as compelling takes and happen to come from a former Bucs player,let Joe know.
Given the fact Beckles played the game lends credibility to Joe.
June 10th, 2018 at 2:43 am
Lol
Credibility?
Beckles sold out for ratings, long ago.
He just wants to be controversial.
He can
June 10th, 2018 at 2:53 am
The reason he connects with the other receivers and TE’s is because they catch short to intermediate passes for the most part. None of them are deep threats. Evan’s gets a deep ball every now and then but its usually a 50/50 that is overthrown which is why he has poor YAC. Face Winston is incapable of being a true deep ball passer. DeSean has done it consistently with with much less talented quarterbacks so no excuses. As Koetter even said himself he was open a lot last year but the pass never arrived on point. Not being able to make every pass be it short,intermediate, or the deep ball takes you out of the “Elite” group of signal callers in this league. Why do you think we drafted another TE when we had a great one already? Short game baby, no long ball. Stop the excuses please, we do have eyes and brains Joe.
June 10th, 2018 at 3:22 am
If DeSean would have worked with Jameis during the prior offseason we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
June 10th, 2018 at 3:23 am
Dude can’t throw the long ball accurately. Doesn’t mean he’s a bad qb. Don’t run the damn play anymore. Pretty simple.
June 10th, 2018 at 3:35 am
ERIC very well put and good job not having blinders on.
Evans deep catches are usually 50/50 (JOE IGNORES THAT)
Evans deep balls if not 50/50 are over thrown or out of bounds (JOE IGNORES THAT)
all the other WR/TE are intermediate routes..
HE CONNECTED WITH JACKSON ON SLANTS (HMM wonder why)
Joe determined to replace DJ cause Goodwin caught on 30 yard pass last play of season he is now the next coming of jerry rice. SORRY NO ONE on this team has speed of DJ and h has been able to catch long ball for 9 years before winston from many different QB. WHY IS THAT JOE?
June 10th, 2018 at 5:21 am
Deep throws … for all QBs … are simply not high percentage throws. Don’t have any idea what the league average is, but my guess would be somewhere around 50-50 (at best). Pro-Football-Reference.com does a great job of showing where the passes went on the field (short-deep and left-middle-right) for each game.
Go through last season’s games and some are abysmal. In our loss to the Saints for instance, Jameis was 0-for-5 deep & Brees was 2-for-4 deep … for 60 yds & 1 TD. Our offense had only 59 plays that game, so almost 10% of them were wasted … DJax was 0-for-2 and ME13 was 0-for-3. Short passes killed us that game … Brees was 20-for-23 in short passes, and that combined with a strong running game made all the difference. Saints won that game 30-10, but before jumping all over the Bucs’ pass defense for losing the game, it was really the Bucs’ run defense that screwed the pooch (gave up 145 yds to Ingram & Kamara which allowed N.O. to control the clock). Very smart game plan by Sean Payton IMO … he attacked the Bucs’ weaknesses repeatedly & it worked. PATIENCE paid off IOW.
As far as using DJax more in the short game goes, I agree BUT … that’s not why he gets paid the big bucks. His speed stretches the field & keeps the defense honest, and that opens up opportunities for other receivers all over the field. But just like what the Saints did to us, PATIENCE is the name of the game. Bucs need to do a better job of integrating the deep ball into the game plan (better job of ‘picking our spots’), AND Jameis needs to do a better job of connecting with DJax (and others) deep.
June 10th, 2018 at 7:10 am
I agree mostly with Joe on that winning or not isn’t based on a play with DJax. However, DJax needs to be at least perceieved as a big threat all of the tmime or it reduces effectiveness of Evans, Howard, and Brate because of coverage. Beckles is full of himself as usual I think–all we do know is Jameis and DJax working together certainly can’t hurt–game speed or not. BTW, I didn’t know there were any popular radio voices left in Tampa Bay…620 is only useful for actual games and to see if your AM radio actually works. Too bad guys like Ronnie & TKraz don’t have better media to work for. If we didn’t have Joe Bucs Fan, there would literally be nothing worth pushing a computer button for.
June 10th, 2018 at 7:11 am
Have we not forgot the arm issues Jameis had last year? If one muscle in you arm is hurt, you try to compensate or throw in a different manner, causing all types of mechanical issues. A QB must have his arm strength for deep throws to work or they won’t be accurate or have the zip to get there. Let’s hope that Jameis’ arm has healed and won’t be a problem this year.
June 10th, 2018 at 7:17 am
Eric and the Truth are correct. Winsotn is a turnover prone, moderately accurate qb with a losing record. It’s really hard to believe that people on this site are still defending him. There must be more FSU fans out there than I thought. If Winston played his college ball at say, Ohio State, most on this site would be running him out of town. Unfortunately drafting him has set this franchise back 5 years. When he adds another losing season this year, which IMO is likely, we will be starting a search for a QB all over again.
June 10th, 2018 at 7:19 am
Agree with Defense. My suggestion would be ,get Jameis in the flow of the game
first. Throwing a deep pass on the second play of the game hasn’t worked so far.
Incorporate the 10-25 yard passes that are a Jameis strength in the beginning of game.
Limit the Go routes,Overall Jameis has struggled with this pass so far. I miss the sideline toe tap passes to Evans and get more dig routes where Jameis has an
a has a better angle to complete the pass.
June 10th, 2018 at 7:30 am
Hilarious. Shock jock a la Dan Sileo. Bucs are easily the best nd best team in the division. New D line will make all the difference.
June 10th, 2018 at 7:42 am
Looks like joe is playing favorites again!!!!!! If only the o-line could protect JW3 like joe does!!!!! Let me be clear, you don’t draft a QB #1 overall to end up having a one dimensional passing game!!!!!! Joe will jump all over any one else on the team for that!!!!!! But when it comes to his “favorite” QB the OC is not suppose to call those plays????? If joe wanted a qb that checks down and throws intermediate passes and finishes 4th in the division, we should have just stuck with MG8 and built up the roster until it was ready for a “real” QB!!!!!!!
And why does joe no longer ask nfl types how are the Bucs are supposed to win the division with the 4th best QB???????????
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!
June 10th, 2018 at 7:42 am
Jameis is fine, it’s up to the coaching staff to assist Jameis with better play calling…
As someone stated earlier, help him get in a groove early; at this point we’re all aware of Winston’s strengths and weaknesses. It’s simple, allow him to do more or the things he’s good at, and less of the things he struggles with…That being said, we need more consistency from our running game and our defense if we really want to win some football games. Also, a competent kicker would be nice; how many games has our Kicker lost in the last 3 or 4 years? Smh
June 10th, 2018 at 8:01 am
Joe quit polluting your site with this garbage! According to this bum, he’s not impressed that they’re taking their time to practice in hope to add chemistry, yet he doesn’t know how they’re going to do it🙄. I’m impressed Beckless couldn’t find a way to blame GMC as the reason why they couldn’t hook up.
June 10th, 2018 at 8:08 am
Ian beckles = Tom Jones. Both of Tampa’s shock jocks, if you will. Stop giving them so much pub. Not only was beckles a marginal player but he can’t even hold down a job. Might as well write articles about Skip Bayless and his takes.
June 10th, 2018 at 8:52 am
Wasn’t Jackson a stud everywhere else he played ? How can it NOT be the qb’s issue…
June 10th, 2018 at 9:30 am
#$% Beckles and #$% Jackson.
June 10th, 2018 at 9:34 am
ben, how do explain that Jameis can connect deep with every other WR and TE on the team?
Jacksons stats are padded by excessive attempts in previous seasons. He only catches low risk, perfectly thrown passes. If he is covered, his effort to finish the play plummets because he is afraid of taking hits.
June 10th, 2018 at 9:46 am
It was a problem last season. Sorry Ian, this Buc fan isn’t throwing in the towel yet. We all have various concerns about the team. I have no idea what this is going to look like in 2018’. We lost a large number of games by a small margin and a better defense could fix this. I like quick slants with super fast receivers and that’s what I’d focus on. Blitz us and pay because DeSean can take these to the house.
June 10th, 2018 at 10:48 am
Play calling, play calling, play calling! Because you can doesn’t mean you should. That it was specific to this play and player means it’s a bad play or poorly timed. The long ball will come, it just can’t be forced.
June 10th, 2018 at 11:04 am
Koetter talked about how hard it is to get reps. “You can’t have DJax run a bunch of 50 yard fly routes at full speed in practice.” Why not get a couple of Marvin Bracy types as camp meet and have them run fly routes at full speed all through camp? Let Jameis get reps, pump fakes, safety holding with his eyes, brooms, the works.
June 10th, 2018 at 11:20 am
Bucnut you’re a moron. I am not an FSU fan, a Texas A&M fan, an Oklahoma fan, a USC fan, or a Washington fan but I am a fan of all the Bucs players from those schools. If you want to go back to the scrub QBs like Glennon, Sims, and Greise go root for Tennesee! The Bucs have never had a QB this good and he is going to prove haters like you wrong this season.
June 10th, 2018 at 11:35 am
I remember Joey Galloway…….,we would hit him on a intermediate route over the middle & he was G O N E!!!
We should do the same with Jackson. Simply get the ball to him more often and don’t be sending him out of bounds in the process….send him toward the middle.
Use his speed after he catches the ball….not to run one down that is 5 yards over his head.
June 10th, 2018 at 11:50 am
@Tampabaybucfan
There was space for intermediate and short routes because their was a threat of them running by the defender and hitting the deep ball!!!!!! here are some plays to help you remember!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNdVraiCyVY
There was no threat of Jw3 connecting deep with djax and defenses were collapsing down on them for short and intermediate plays!!!!!!!!! I really do hope it was just the shoulder and no running game due to bad guard play and bad running back play!!!!!!! It is hard enough to win in this league with being one dimensional on offense!!!!!! But to also be one dimensional in the pass game is even worst!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!
June 10th, 2018 at 12:09 pm
Dear jameis
Please leave this idiot fan base as soon as you can.
June 10th, 2018 at 12:25 pm
@Tampabaybucfan
Those intermediate routes were so open because the Bucs would hit on the deep ball!!!!!! There was a legitimate threat of the deep ball!!!!!!
If there is no threat, then defense collapse down and cover those short to intermediate passes easier!!!!! To be one dimensional in this league is hard, But no running game due to bad guard play and bad running back play and one dimensional in the passing game is extremely difficult!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 10th, 2018 at 12:35 pm
And take your talking patriot with. You if you decide to leave.
June 10th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
Credibility ?? Beckles is always negative. And when was the last time Ian played QB or receiver.?
He’s not always negative at all. He’s a Jameis fan. He’s a Marpet fan. He’s a big Kwon fan. He’s been positive about Dirk Koetter. Joe could go on and on. –Joe
June 10th, 2018 at 12:40 pm
To all the Winston haters, I ask you something. If your the QB of a defense less team, a running back less team, a field goal kicker less team. Wouldn’t you think every time you had the ball, you had to score to have a chance to win? No,well your just a hater then. I think Winston tries to make thinks happen too much because of the team he has. He will hold the ball that extra second to hope someone will come open, thus a sack fumble happens. He will try to force the ball into spots to keep a drive alive, thus a interception happens. His Oline will occasionally let a man in unblocked to kill him, more fumbles happen. What i’m saying, under the circumstances i think Winston has played pretty dam good. Instead of having to be a one man team, lets see how Winston does with a complete team. This years team has the potential to be just that. Haters will hate, simple as that..
June 10th, 2018 at 2:20 pm
Ian is a tool.
June 10th, 2018 at 2:44 pm
Ronald Jones will make all the difference. If you don’t know if Winston is gonna pass, he’s deadly. This should be a fun season.
June 10th, 2018 at 3:18 pm
What is this the IANBUCFAN site?
June 10th, 2018 at 4:00 pm
Jameis must recognize and throw the ball SOONER! Most of his passes seem to be thrown a little late. I think this late recognition negatively affects his accuracy, too, on all of his passes.
June 10th, 2018 at 5:27 pm
Is this guy paying you for FaceTime or something?
June 10th, 2018 at 8:44 pm
I was watching NFL red zone we had 4th in 1 against the falcons we pass on the play that’s fine, but I saw all the wr going 10 to 20 yards up the field no one looked back on a man to man defense. That’s what’s wrong with this coaching staff and this team so that’s why I don’t blame Winston for his struggles on this team. He’s going to throw ints some times that’s part of the game every quarter back does, but think about how many times it was 3rd and 5 or under and the coach call these 7 steps drop backs you will not win don’t matter who’s playing quarter back, ask Tom Brady he play to move the chains that’s another reason why the Pats win n we don’t people gets mad n blame Winston for this team problem Winston is not the problem defense and coaching is the main reason why we lose!!!!!!!! Go bucs!!!!!!
June 10th, 2018 at 8:48 pm
The long ball to DJax has to work, and they have to call it, for the offense to take the next step. Connecting on just one long ball per game will keep the defense honest and open it up for the other receivers and play action. It’s like the Spurs daring LeBron to shoot 3s back in 2007. They did it again in 2013 and he made them pay. Jameis needs to make defenses pay this season.
June 11th, 2018 at 12:49 pm
i could give a rats tookus what ian beckles says he was on some of the worst bucs teams historically and when dungy came into town was replaced by jorge diaz beckles comments are about as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop