“We’re Going To Tolerate Him Until We Can Replace Him”
June 29th, 2018
Heed his words.
The words in the headline above are one of the greatest quotes Joe has ever heard. That quote came from none other than Raheem Morris.
It was delivered during the preseason of the last year the Bucs won 10 games and the only time the Bucs have won 10 games since Chucky was jettisoned. That was 2010.
One of the better defensive ends the Bucs have had in the post-Chucky era was sort of the Swaggy Baker of his day, Stylez White. The fact that White is one of the best defensive ends this franchise has had since Simeon Rice just tells you how pathetic this franchise has been in finding and developing defensive ends.
One day White was loafing and Morris had enough and unloaded on White all but saying his days were numbered unless he got his lazy rear end into gear. Morris told reporters after that day’s practice, “We’re going to tolerate him until we can replace him.”
Joe thinks that should be where the Bucs stand with America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Jameis got busted for being too handsy with a woman. Again. What made ugly matters worse with his hassle with an Uber driver in Arizona was that Jameis tried to hide this from his employers, the guy who stuck his arse out to draft him, his coaches and his teammates.
And initially, Jameis denied anything happened.
Some leader.
Now we can all redeem ourselves. The NFL currently has a quarterback playing in Pittsburgh that has done (allegedly) far worse, yet he stayed with his team and in the league. Few people bring up Ben Roethlisberger’s bathroom incident with a college girl while his goons played lookout so he could (allegedly) have his way with her.
Winning is the best perfume.
A good quarterback is such a problem to find. One could argue the Bucs have never been able to find one in the draft since their birth in 1976.
Jameis appeared to finally be that quarterback but losses are tarring if not torpedoing his career.
And incidents with women. And being less than honest with his employers, coaches and teammates not counting some of the dumb stunts he has pulled in New Orleans and at Carolina.
At least those two clown acts in New Orleans at in Charlotte can be overlooked. But not by a guy who loses despite putting up stats. Not by a guy who violates women.
Who as of July 29 is available that is a better quarterback? Joe would suggest no one. So Joe is of the mind the Bucs keep Jameis on a zero-tolerance policy. Sadly, we all know how those things usually turn out.
Maybe Keyshawn Johnson was right? Maybe Jameis needs medical help?
The $20.9 million for next year? You rework his contract and get him to sign an extension with all sorts of clauses that protects the team in case Jameis slips up again.
Right now, Team Glazer has all the leverage. But will Team Glazer have a quarterback?
This team, in theory, is built to win now. It wasn’t built for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Mike Glennon or some other stiff to play quarterback.
Until or unless Jameis can be replaced by someone of equal or better value, he shouldn’t be replaced.
It’s what the only guy who won double-digit victories in a season for the Bucs this decade would say.
June 29th, 2018 at 12:11 am
Exactly!
The only young an that may and I stress may be better the jw is Wentz. Luv both those kids. The link to the Carolina game really sums all of this up. The defense can’t hold and lead and the oline can’t block for chit so it’s all on JW and jW hates to lose but that’s all changing as we speak. In order to assimilate to this pathetic fan base you’ll soon see Jameis smiling too, after a loss. Just like to squeaky clean hometown hero. YEY!
June 29th, 2018 at 12:13 am
Man I got a new phone and it’s taking me a while to train this autocorrect, my bad.
an=qb
June 29th, 2018 at 12:19 am
America’s Groper*
June 29th, 2018 at 12:19 am
America’s Sex Offender
June 29th, 2018 at 12:25 am
I don;t think the Bucs should cur Winston–yet. That being said, i think Liocht needs to bring in options fo camp. Some old vets like Derek Anderson, Matt Moore plus a few displaced Ej Manuels and Mike Glennons (not exactly those players, but those types of players. Make Jamies compete for a spot on this roster instead of being handed a spot on this roster.
June 29th, 2018 at 12:34 am
Matt Moore could beat out Jameis, possibly. Actually with that oline I don’t think Mike Vick could do anything with only 3 blockers.
But again he’s not a Koetter qb, remember Koetter cut David Garrad for Blane Gabbert. Koetter likes statues like Matty Ice.
June 29th, 2018 at 12:37 am
^ Fitz is better than all those guy you mentioned
June 29th, 2018 at 12:39 am
It’s amazing that after all he’s been through, Jameis STILL does not have ANYONE with half a brain around him that he can confide in to LEAD HIM in the right direction.
ALL he had to do when the allegation came out was to admit it, APOLOGIZE, and downplay the situation. “I had been drinking heavily that night and after some back and forth flirtation with the driver, I really mixed up her signals, and I made a really clumsy advance towards her. I sincerely apologize to her for what I can only imagine was an extremely awkward and uncomfortable situation….” yada yada yada.
Yeah, there would’ve still been consequences, but right now, instead of looking merely foolish & creepy, he has convincingly proven he is a LIAR and a sexual deviant.
WTF is giving this kid life advice??????????
June 29th, 2018 at 12:43 am
Did you really say Matt Moore could beat out Jameis? Matt Moore? I think you need to sit the next few plays out. On his best day, Matt Moore couldn’t beat out Jimmy Clausen. That actually happened. In real life.
June 29th, 2018 at 12:47 am
What was Koetter’s quote from a season or two ago that got its own article regarding availability? Truly can’t remember but believe it was along the lines of “You’re only as valuable as your availability”. Can’t be a franchise player or successful NFL starting QB if you can’t be on the field due to scumbag tendencies. Mike Singletary quote applies too, “Cannot play with them, cannot win with them, cannot coach with them. Can’t do it”
Maybe third time’s the charm and he’ll stop screwing up. Not sure what team management will do, imagine they’ll stand behind him and let this year be his tryout for the future, but if they traded for someone competent (Keenan, Foles, Bridgewater) I wouldn’t cry over it.
Also please, FFS please, stop with the “America’s Quarterback” BS! He’s doing his best to not be Tampa’s QB, much less America’s!
June 29th, 2018 at 12:56 am
That’s gonna be hard to find. Equal or better value. Bucs will find a way to blow it tho. Like Bennett, talib, Blount asj.
And alcohol is a issue with this team
June 29th, 2018 at 1:02 am
People will drive by ray jay, see his giant size picture on the side of it and feel shame. Move on, admit your mistake and start over. don’t go firing anyone because this guy decided to make bad decisions. Cut him and give the coaching staff and GM one last shot.
June 29th, 2018 at 1:09 am
Assign Warren Sapp as his handler
June 29th, 2018 at 1:10 am
Are my posts all being censored now? Not aloud to talk about #99
June 29th, 2018 at 1:10 am
@DalvinCookRules….There is No way that I could agree with you more. I have stated before that he is either guilty or seriously mentally challenged or is taking Way bad advice!. As Soon as he found out that his account was suspended and why he should have Jumped on the situation.
He didn’t. I don’t like it. But I’m a Buc Fan First. I think he is guilty but I know that we will never know. I don’t think he remembers the whole thing from what I have heard about him in Tallahassee
June 29th, 2018 at 1:11 am
Not allowed to use the word handler?
June 29th, 2018 at 1:11 am
Warren sapp
June 29th, 2018 at 1:13 am
Ah I see if you type in 99s name it gets blocked
So I think Jameis has “handled” this all very well.
I think the team should assign #99 to be his handler, much like Josh Hamilton of the rangers used to have
June 29th, 2018 at 1:15 am
Hire Manziel to be Jameis backup with #99 as their mentor
June 29th, 2018 at 1:18 am
Whatever the Bucs do they also need to get rid of these god awful uniforms and go back to the Pewter and Red.
June 29th, 2018 at 1:42 am
Fitzpatrick needs to be the starter from here on out. He is not a bad QB and I’m almost positive that he wouldn’t have any drama unlike Jameis. Skills-wise Jamies is good, intelligence-wise Jameis is obviously not good. So when do the Glazers wake up and realize they screwed up? Fix it by naming Fitzpatrick the starter and bring in a new backup QB. It’s time for the black cloud overhanging the Bucs to get lifted.
June 29th, 2018 at 1:49 am
What Jameis did is awful but what makes it worse is that he lied about it but I feel that wanting him removed from the roster is a bit extreme. After all, he’s the best qp the Bucs have seen.
June 29th, 2018 at 1:57 am
DalVinCookRules…just…
NAILED IT..
June 29th, 2018 at 2:04 am
Joe, you’re saying what Roethlisberger was alleged to have done was worse than Winston has alleged to have done? No. You’ve missed the point. –Joe
Oh wait you’re ignoring the whole college rape allegation when you do that right. Because I’m not sure how you’d possibly split hairs on rape accusations.
You’re merely ignoring it for the purposes of comparing Roethlisberger to the lesser of Winston’s two accusations. Good thing you didn’t follow law like your buddy Mike Florio did. I’m not sure you’d have won many cases with that defense 😆
June 29th, 2018 at 2:20 am
Kaepernick anyone? I mean if they wanna make him earn it bring him in. I’m pretty sure Colin would fight really hard for another chance to get on the field, just sayin. Totally spitballing here by the way.
June 29th, 2018 at 2:27 am
Test
June 29th, 2018 at 3:01 am
Steelers went to Super Bowl the year Big Ben was suspended.
This suspension may be just the kind of ‘hard coaching’ this young man admits that he needs to mature, stay focused, and take his game, and the Bucs, to the next level.
June 29th, 2018 at 3:17 am
Ok this is wild but they have every other piece now. This is way out of left field , haven’t heard this from anyone but if they really want to move on and win this year without a cloud over their head ,they have a ready to win team with Tony Romo who is free to sign if you could lure him back
June 29th, 2018 at 3:58 am
jameis has had 2 major issues – one is college – one in the pros…one more mediocre to major issue and he’s gone – 3 strikes and you’re out rule…its the “tool rule”…just don’t be a d*ck
June 29th, 2018 at 4:06 am
the problem with being famous is you think it opens all these doorways to p*ssy…years ago it might have…but in our new culture of social media and all, it actually closes doors down that avenue…you have to be super careful of false claims and money grabs etc…even discreetly using hookers can come back to haunt you if they figure out who you are…i guess the p*ssy is limited for athletes more these days unless they do top secret shenannies and anonymous hotel room meet ups
June 29th, 2018 at 4:44 am
I wonder what the JoeLakerfan would look like back when Kobe had his Colorado fiasco.
Different time, but my guess even if it was today, fans wouldn’t be clamouring to cut him or kick him off the team. That was way more egregious.
Truthfully, many, many Buc fans didn’t want the pick so this is blood in the water. There is so much righteous indignation regarding this I have a hard time fathoming it. I didn’t demand impeachment for Trump (or Clinton either for that matter) for their indiscretions, so it would be hard for me now to jump up and down regarding Winston being removed as the QB because of this.
Far as I’m concerned, league has spoken. 3 game ban. Now, its up to Winston how he handles this from now on.
“Fans” of the team need to be honest. I’m fine if you are so offended that you petition his removal, but only if that extends to every party that commits or has committed this act. And if you yourself ever were in any situation and touched a woman, but were then rebuked, you should also look her up and beg forgiveness, tell your employer. Even if this was in your past, you were young and you were drinking.
I for one see opportunity. Rework, extend to a very team friendly 3 year deal with loads of clauses and a 4th year option that is very lucrative(20-25 mil). That way the team benefits from standing behind him and he has the reward if he stays clean and plays well. If he messes up again, he’s gone from the league.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:13 am
Time to take out the trash Jason Licht and glazers.
People act like he’s actually a good qb on the field. He’s a scum in society. And he gets a slap on the wrist here.
Since the league let him off easy, the Bucs shouldn’t. I’ll give this a month for the glazers and Licht to cut him. But if they don’t , I only hope this franchise implodes with winston under center.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:51 am
Stop the comparisons to other problematic players. It becomes a justification for improper behavior.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:59 am
Let the young man go. Hire Kaepernick today.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:13 am
It’s downright humiliating to be a Bucs fan- particularly living outside of Tampa when folks openly mock us for rooting for such a woebegone franchise. This incident is right up there in the annals of Bucs’ embarrassments. We’ve been nothing sort of a 5 Alarm dumpster fire for a decade. The on field product inexcusably terrible. This is the corn nugget on the turd pile. Cleveland fans can have their way with us. Don’t deny it. They’re in better shape than we are rigt now- let that sink in.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:22 am
DCR….Jameis still F’d up his apology….by saying “While I am disappointed with the NFL decision, I understand the process”……NO DUDE….that is not an apology !
June 29th, 2018 at 7:24 am
If he’s “AMERICA’S QUARTERBACK” isn’t HE tolerating US? DROP THE AQ ACCOLADES JOE!!!
So AQ is an accolade?–Joe
June 29th, 2018 at 7:43 am
DCR and SB
Sure, he should have come clean and gotten in front of it, but then he would have had hell to pay with his fiancé.
He simply thought he could deny it and it would do away.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:00 am
I truly wonder sometimes who the real “fans” are of this football TEAM. Between the constant defense and the constant trade/cut talk, it makes me think that people are more of a fan of individual players.
This team is bigger than Jameis Winston. Sorry, it’s fact. IMO this season was going to be critical for Jameis future, regardless of the suspension. The Bucs owe Jameis nothing. It’s a win now league. JW is a FOURTH year QB with nothing to show for it. Fish or cut bait!
This is just a bump in the road. This team will show its true character under this regime this season.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:15 am
Hire Kaepernick…. Bet he would stand up and Jamies might grow up watching the Bucs win!! That would humble his young ass seeing someone else doing what he couldn’t . Jamies would be a great back up then. All you guys defending JW3 are as guilty as he is. Damn man he did it, he lied about it and if all truth be known he’s laughed about it and still denies it and still continues to call Kate a liar and still likes Crab Legs and dancing on tables. Y’all need to get real!!!
June 29th, 2018 at 8:16 am
@mike
Not allowed to spell allowed as “aloud” 😉
June 29th, 2018 at 9:02 am
@pinellas –
Corrected the typo in the next post once I realized what I did.
You’re a loser
Maybe you’re one of the censors
June 29th, 2018 at 9:08 am
Tandyman, what’s the word?!
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the defense of this guy. Yea, it’s not jail-worthy, but come on! I wonder if these defenders have daughters and if they’d feel comfortable having them around Jameis.
The other part is the lying. Why lie about something like this? How do you trust a guy who lies about some stupid crap?!
I’m not in the “trade or cut him” camp, but I dang sure don’t understand people defending him. Heck, some of the same people defending Jameis were trying to jettison Doug Martin over Molly!!!
I’ll be happy when this gets put to rest. He did it. Get over it. Move on.
June 29th, 2018 at 9:20 am
Bucsfanman My Man….I hear you. I’m tired of all this nonsense tooooooo! Like the Beatles said “LET IT BE” Just ready as hell for the preseason and season to get here. Looking forward to see what we got. Still my favorite poster you are.
June 29th, 2018 at 9:25 am
I went to FSU and no. This is enough. Cut him now. Move on. I don’t care what the record is this year. I can’t root for him, nor the Bucs if they keep him. He’ll do something else stupid again. Either on or off the field or both. Let another team take in the PR rehabilitation.
June 29th, 2018 at 9:29 am
ok calling Jameis America’s QB is offensive now. He grabbed a woman by her pu$$y and by constantly proclaiming JW is America’s QB is like you grabbing your readers by their Ps. Just… stop Joe. Stop assaulting your readers with your dead joke.
June 29th, 2018 at 11:34 am
Honestly, at this point, I think Glennon would come in here and give us as good a chance to win as Jameis has. If we surrounded Glennon with all the same talent that Jameis has gotten, I think he could do just as good as Jameis if not better.
June 29th, 2018 at 4:04 pm
Did you read any reports about Rothlesberger? I was all for punishing him and having him banned from the NFL until I read what happened. He did not force a woman into the restroom. She went there willingly. When she objected, she didn’t say “stop, don’t do this to me” or anything definitive like that. She said “we probably shouldn’t do this”. If I’m hearing that from a girl, I’m most likely going to consider her a coconspirator who is expressing her reluctance to have ax because of the location. That’s a lot different from what our guy did.
June 29th, 2018 at 4:17 pm
One thing about Roethlisberger. Unless there was something I’m not aware of, he didn’t have a history of behavior incidents or accusations. That same incident would have netted him a six game today. Roethlisberger also had a large amount of championship goodwill to bank on. For the sexual accusations and verified misbehavior at FSU, Jameis was for all practical purposes on probation as a Buc from day one. I remember the pre draft discussions of putting a 24/7 minder with Jameis. As an FSU fan, Bucs fan and Jameis supporter, that’s the only way I could rationalize the pick. I thought that if Jameis was who I hoped he was we would never have to talk about this again. And here we are.
June 29th, 2018 at 4:30 pm
@Joe, you referred to Jameis as a con artist but still labeled him Americas QB. I’m curious about that statement tbh and why is it honestly that you call him Americas QB? I know I’m abrasive at times but I’m truly curious about that(no sarcasm).
June 29th, 2018 at 5:05 pm
For the hopefully last time this quote, stolen by ‘heem, was from the silver-tongue fox himself, McKay, to Brantley. Except tolerate wasn’t the word.
Heem wasn’t mature enough to come up with anything that good.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:12 pm
I miss Rah. He was a good head coach.