Fumbles Killed The Bucs
June 6th, 2018
Joe completely missed this data back in January but it sure tells the tale of the Bucs in 2017.
The Bucs had a good offense last year. Yes, they did. They finished No. 9 overall. Only two teams in the top ten did not make the playoffs, the Bucs and the Chargers (common denominator between those two is both have a quarterback).
The Bucs also were fifth in the NFL in average first downs per drive. The Bucs were also the No. 2 team in total first downs last year trailing only the Belicheats, even having more first downs than the most explosive offense in the NFL, the Steelers.
Despite all these glowing offensive numbers, the Bucs were No. 18 in points scored.
And Jameis even cut down on his picks. So what the hell happened?
Well, obviously, the Bucs were garbage in the red zone, No. 24 overall. That clearly hurt.
But where the Bucs really soiled themselves, killing their offense, was fumbles. Per Jim Armstrong of FootballOutsiders.com, no team in the NFL lost more fumbles per drive than the Bucs.
It’s kind of hard to finish drives and score points when you play Santa Claus like that.
Throw in a rotten kicking game and one can do the math (even a guy like Joe) to see where things went wrong last year.
June 6th, 2018 at 6:01 am
@Joe … “Throw in a rotten kicking game and one can do the math (even a guy like Joe) to see where things went wrong last year.”
Interesting that you threw the kicking game in there Joe. I remember Folk fell apart in games 3 & 4, then was replaced by Murray (he did better, but yuck at long attempts). Folk was interesting though, in that he made 6 of 12 FGs attempted in his 4 games with us. Of the ones he missed (5 of 6 against the Giants & Pats), all but one were in the 46-56 yd range. Folk definitely cost us the Pats game (0/3 FGs attempted, including a 31 yarder missed). Hopefully Catanzaro provides an upgrade (94% inside the 40, and 73% outside the 40 is pretty decent IMO).
June 6th, 2018 at 6:04 am
“Fumbles killed the Bucs” = Jameis killed the Bucs
June 6th, 2018 at 6:47 am
Fumbles is part of it!!!!! But when you look at the total offensive “giveaways” which the Bucs had 27!!!!!!!! Only Oakland, Houston, Miami, Denver, Cleveland had more!!!!!!!!!
That is not impressive list!!!! And furthermore, none of those teams did better than a 6-10 record!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!
June 6th, 2018 at 6:56 am
The bucs did not have a good offense last year. Obviously points scored tellsyou which teams are better. Moving the ball between the 20’s is garbage stat because I clearTewkesbury how frustrating it was watching them stall once this team gets in enemy territory
June 6th, 2018 at 6:59 am
Turnovers and no TDS in the red zone.
No question.
And what was time of possession ranked ? When your sub par defense \ defensive coaching? Is hung out to dry on the field bad things happen
June 6th, 2018 at 7:25 am
Jw3 was a turnover machine last year. He had 15 fumbles and 11 int’s. While he lost only 7 fumbles. Regardless 7 is 7 too many. And 18 true turnovers attributed to one player is ghastly. The other 8 fumbles are drive killers. Either way he needs to hold onto the ball better. I just don’t see it. He’s average and at this juncture not worthy of a top tier salary.
June 6th, 2018 at 7:48 am
Fumbles can be corrected….inaccuracy in very concerning to me…if his footwork and throwing mechanics are not different in OTA’s and training camp….the inaccuracy will doom any hope of Jameis becoming elite in the NFL….well except for The Stat Carriers
June 6th, 2018 at 8:05 am
https://youtu.be/5Piz2-tok_8
This needs to stop…
And Jameis did a similar mistake in the Rose Bowl with FSU
Make better decisions and wins will come
June 6th, 2018 at 8:11 am
No question Jameis can improve in both areas ,fumbles and INT’s. Always thought a good ratio was 2 TD’s to 1 turnover. All RB’s not named Rogers had one fumble lost, I think Rogers only had 3 fumbles in almost 550 carries. The only reason I could see for staying with Martin was his low fumble %. but Rogers
is probably one of the best in the league with his low fumble rate. So that still
leaves 6 on receivers and our QB. Jameis can help
his receivers with good ball placement. IMO he has to give receiver enough room to make catch and a move to defend himself. The catch and fumble to OJ over the middle is an example.
As a long time Buc fan, I am hoping Jameis and the rest of the team put it all together this year.
June 6th, 2018 at 8:28 am
Dear jameis
Please leave this idiot fan base as soon as you can. They do not deserve you.
June 6th, 2018 at 8:37 am
Webster, the Joe’s are getting exactly what they want with these articles. Damn shame. I’ve never seen a more blatent attempt to turn a fan base against a guy in my life. Pathetic.
June 6th, 2018 at 8:53 am
Jameis didnt kill the Bucs, the defense did
June 6th, 2018 at 9:12 am
Truth hurts. Just some can’t handle it.
June 6th, 2018 at 9:12 am
Wins will come when the Defense stop letting people like Brett Hundley look like a pro bowl QB when we play them.
June 6th, 2018 at 9:38 am
I hope OJ Howard can cut down his fumbles also. And peyton barber
June 6th, 2018 at 10:01 am
“Every JW3 sack or fumbele, what do you see?”
You see #76 Donovon Smith looking on the ground trying to find his lost keys
“I see things”
Kobe Faker
June 6th, 2018 at 10:07 am
@ lamarcus
All of the fumbles were by jameis. Your mind was playing tricks on you when martin and humphries fumbled as well.
Dear jameis
Please leave this idiot fan base.
June 6th, 2018 at 10:12 am
Even with the facts laid out I front of them the JW Defenders still continue to put the blame on everyone else’s shoulders but the one who committed the worst mistakes. Lose the turnover battle and your almost assured to not win the game. That is football 101 folks! If yardage totals were the most important stat then Matt Stafford would be in the hall of fame.
At the end of the day Winston took this team down with all his fumbles, interceptions, piss poor accuracy, poor decision making, stupid game speeches, and lack of ability to throw a ball deeper than 20 yards (except for 1 to Godwin) ! If we have a decent record this year it will be because of all they key acquisitions made this offseason not because of #3. After 3 years we know what he can and cant do and putting his team on his shoulders to win is not a quality he possesses….at least not in the NFL!
June 6th, 2018 at 10:17 am
@ eric
In andrew lucks first 3 years he had 43 ints and 29 fumbles but still made the playoffs. His completion % stayed in the high 50’s %. Tell me oh wise one, why was he able to make the playoffs? He did the exact thing you are blaming jameis of. Btw..jameis completed 63% of his passes last year.
Dear jameis
……..
June 6th, 2018 at 10:19 am
Hey Joe – is it possible (should be) to track when Jameis fumbled during games? I’d like to see if the majority of his fumbles happened in the 2nd half of games – when the Bucs were normally way behind on the scoreboard and Jameis was trying to win it with his arm alone.
Jameis’ mind – “well, our D can’t stop anyone, our starting running back can’t run,
and our kicker can’t kick, so guess I better do this myself”. And he damn near did 4 more times.
What if there was 30 seconds left on the clock during the Saints game week 17? Think we win? Exactly!
June 6th, 2018 at 10:30 am
Webster…I only use Jameis’s name because he plays QB….nothing more…nothing less….
June 6th, 2018 at 10:33 am
Sure. You can go back to the play-by-plays of the games. Those are on Pro-Football-Reference and NFL.com and BSPN. It’s not something Joe is interested but if you desire, you can go to the box scores there.
June 6th, 2018 at 10:34 am
@ altered
I was not responding to you directly.
June 6th, 2018 at 10:59 am
realist
that’s a bad comparison….of the teams you mentioned only the bucs and Oakland have QB’s…..and both were injured last year……HOU DEN MIA CLE were turn over machines because they don’t have QB’s…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
June 6th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
Hit the nail on the head.
People harp too much on the INT’s
This is the real culprit.
If you combined Winston and Fitz’ passing yards last season – they led the NFL in passing yards.
The offense is there. Lower the fumbles and most importantly…
FIX THE TRENCHES, FIX THE BUCS!!
June 6th, 2018 at 12:16 pm
One could argue that anyone who is a Buc Fan is part of an idiot fan base..and it has nothing to do with JW. Being putrid for 35 out of 40 years and having the worst winning percentage in all of pro sports begs the question as to why any of us are Buc Fans.
That being said, Buc Fans were here long before JW and will be long after.. we ain’t going anywhere.
Overall #1 picks, at the very least, shouldn’t do stupid things. At this point JW plays just well enough to get you beat…..
If he and webster move out of town together, so be it. Buc fans will still be here trying to believe…
Altered:
Fumbles can be corrected….inaccuracy in very concerning to me…if his footwork and throwing mechanics are not different in OTA’s and training camp….the inaccuracy will doom any hope of Jameis becoming elite in the NFL….well except for The Stat Carriers
Right on Point!!!
#WALKTHEWALK #2018MAKEORBREAK
June 6th, 2018 at 1:31 pm
Sometimes reality bites, bite back harder.
June 6th, 2018 at 1:31 pm
thanks ,joe
I thought Anonymous stole my post above,but name and Email are back.
June 6th, 2018 at 1:44 pm
@ ERic
Jameis completion percentage was 60 % from 20 -24 yards,but 73% from 15- to 19.
June 6th, 2018 at 5:43 pm
Jmark
Yes some buc fans were idiots before jameis such as yourself. Thats why idiot fans like you can not recognize a franchise qb when you see one. The same fan base that wanted talib and blount kicked off the team. Guess what? The bucs are still looking for a running back and #1 cornerback. You are correct, idiot fans were here before winston.
June 7th, 2018 at 2:19 am
Webster if Jameis is so great why are we still sucking so bad? Yh ou love to come up stats to back up your boy but it makes no difference. Hou see numbers I see a guy who cant throw a ball past 30 yards accurately and if not for M. EVANS gigantic catch radius he wouldn’t have anything close to those numbers you put out yo defend him. He is a poor man’s Matthew Stafford, with out the multiple 4000 yards and 5000 yard seasons. At the end of the day he is a loser much like yourself. Record in the NFL says so not hour stupid stats!
June 7th, 2018 at 10:18 am
webster was the third person in the car….in the backseat with his head in Jameis’ lap….
June 7th, 2018 at 11:11 am
Who cares where they are ranked at yards?
Yards are meaninjngless. All that matters is points.
Bucs offense was ranked #23 at points scored.
That’s hardly good. Almost bottom third of the league actually.
June 7th, 2018 at 2:35 pm
Bucs finished 18th in total TD’s in 2017 with 38 total.
Bucs finished tied for 10th in passing TD’s with 26.
Bucs finished tied for 25th in rushing TD’s 8.
4 Td’s were Defensive
If you can’t see that this team could not run the ball to save their life well then you and Mr Magoo have something in common.
June 7th, 2018 at 9:37 pm
The Stat Carriers! Love it!