Terrell Davis: Jameis Lost Locker Room Trust
June 29th, 2018
So what percentage of Jameis Winston’s teammates believe he did it, inappropriately crotch-grabbed a female Uber driver without permission 27 months ago?
Twenty percent? Thirty? Fifteen?
Joe wrote last week that it’s a major issue facing Dirk Koetter, now that America’s Quarterback has been suspended for three games. But it goes beyond Koetter managing the trust problems. It’s a serious locker room thing for a QB, explained Hall of Famer Terrell Davis and former Pro Bowl center Shaun O’Hara on NFL Network this week.
Davis was adamant that Jameis is back to Square 1 with his teammates.
“He has to earn that trust back. That trust, to me, is gone until you earn it back. And it’s not by words,” Davis said. “It’s about your actions. In a locker room, your actions speak louder than what you say.”
O’Hara said Jameis must stand up and address his teammates about the suspension, something Joe was told by a reliable source that Jameis did not do last year or this year.
Joe already is on record stating Jameis is not a good leader and shouldn’t be considered one. One look at his current status and his team last year is a clear indication. But things can be repaired. It will require skillful management by Koetter and a more communicative Jameis to emerge.
June 29th, 2018 at 5:30 pm
That goes without saying…..hence the best medicine for EVERYBODY is Jameis taking the year off…..Hello Glazers…..step up and spare us further humiliation
June 29th, 2018 at 5:32 pm
Repaired? This bum had his second chance at draft time and failed…time for a new address…
June 29th, 2018 at 5:33 pm
I don’t expect much out of America’s Groper, do t think his teammates do either.
June 29th, 2018 at 5:35 pm
WOW – Joe is now on record jumping on the stove while it’s hot. Accusing Jameis now of being a poor leader that’s you observed last year… Man, you’re getting more desperate for ratings than CNN. (BSPN isn’t hiring.)
June 29th, 2018 at 5:35 pm
Everybody seems to be jumping on the Kick Jameis when he is down train lately.
June 29th, 2018 at 5:37 pm
To the “trade for Foles crowd I give you this…
Foles reiterated his stance that he would “love the opportunity” to lead his own team. It’s just that he’s understandably leery of leaving football nirvana for a potentially “toxic environment.”
June 29th, 2018 at 5:38 pm
Real leadership is where the Glazers, Jason, or Dirk take the pressure of the players to deal with this. Take it out of their hands and let them focus on football. I get the business decision to keep Jameis on the roster at least through 2018. But don’t divide the locker room over this. Make the decision at the top and tell the team:
“Jameis has lost our trust and confidence to lead this team on and off the field, and we are all working with him to resolve issues he has. You deserve the best leaders we can offer you. Therefore, Jameis will not be team captain or the starting QB in 2018, but we demand you give him your respect as your fellow team mate as he works to earn back a chance to be put in a leadership position again.”
June 29th, 2018 at 5:39 pm
What a small deal turned Huge because it’s America Qb in trouble. Ppl act like they are the victim. Stop it ppl. Only why it’s a huge story because it’s Famous Jamies.
June 29th, 2018 at 5:41 pm
Here is the text of the group letter and written to One Buc Place along with signatures from all of Jameis’s sponsors that urge the Bucs to Jameis in a leadership position, and as the face of the franchise:
June 29th, 2018 at 5:42 pm
Lamarcus….it ain’t the grope….it is the lies and deceit …..
June 29th, 2018 at 5:48 pm
It’s not kick when he’s down it’s at what point is enough enough. He is a habitual offender. Sex assault at college….paid offf. Stealing crab legs, standing on the table at FSU shouting obscenities, now grabbing a Uber drivers crotch. I’m surprised fans are willing to forgive and forget just to try to win football games. I’ve been a faithful buc fan for 40+years and this is not what I want representing our team at all costs. We have gone through many rough seasons. It won’t kill us to make the right decision sure it could set us back a year but having a clear conscience is worth the struggle. Last note if he gets in any other misconduct he will be suspended for a year. Are you willing to gamble on his immaturity at that cost. Personally I don’t feel he’s worth 20 million per year by no means. There are options. Glazers need to make a statement and show we will not accept this kind of behavior no matter how much is invested
June 29th, 2018 at 5:54 pm
My 7 year old grandkid, who has every Jameis figurine, bobblehead, OYO, picture, T-shirt, and autographed football there is….asked me “Is Jameis in trouble?” My son-in-law is so steamed because in today’s world more than ever, you want a figure outside the home kids can look up to become a hero–Jameis was the guy to two years.
So the answer to his question is “Jameis was very disrespectful in putting his hands on a woman and he lied to his bosses and his team about it what happened. So he will be sitting on the bench for three games, maybe longer. He has a lot to learn, and he has lost the trust of many.” The disappointment and all out hurt on the little boy’s face says it all. The follow-up questions today: “Why did he have to ie? Did he lie to Lavonte David too?”
Yes, I think so.
June 29th, 2018 at 5:59 pm
Cut him.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:00 pm
Jameis is no Lavonte David
June 29th, 2018 at 6:02 pm
@Bucsmarley
Just like many don’t care if Trump grabbed some crotch in the past, I could care less wtf Jameis did or didn’t do, on his own time.
Good God, this is a football player we are talking about, not a Pastor or a Priest.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:03 pm
Lamarcus we get that Your one of Jameis boys Don’t go down with the ship like Joe
June 29th, 2018 at 6:10 pm
@JMan5, I don’t agree Jameis is anyone’s QB right now, much less America’s QB…he certainly isn’t mine, but don’t get all over Joe for being MORE THAN FAIR to the guy. I am glad to hear Joe and others say Jameis is not a leader. I want to others talk about what his role should be if he remains on the roster for 2018 (likely). Jameis is still moving the needle per se…yeah, the wrong way for sure. He was sure also moving a big pile of crap for the past year too.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:10 pm
Well I can never say anything about jameis and crab legs. True story I just was at Publix and got some dungenouss crab legs and there was one king crab little leg sitting there so I told him I would get that. He put it in my dungenouss crab bag for free and said don’t tell anyone it’s are secret. And I don’t feel like a criminal. I think I’m going to take an Uber tonight drunk and see what happens.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:14 pm
The sh!t happened 2 years ago. Why they act like it happened months ago? No one cares what their co-workers did 2 years ago while intoxicated unless they killed someone or something big of nature. It seems that the talking heads are competing for the most outrageous take on Jameis.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:15 pm
Here’s the reality of the situation, nobody wants to deal with this toxic org and their low educated fan base. You see it each year in free agency not one top tier player signs here and the crowd sizes during game day are bigger at the mons.
Be thankful that you have one of the best young qbs in the league and stfu.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:17 pm
JMan and Roy T.
I’m curious to know what your thought are on Jerry Richardson. 2.75 mill fine for groping 4 of his employees? Should Jameis also pay 2.75 mil and no suspension or she he be allowed to grab 4 more women by the ….?
June 29th, 2018 at 6:19 pm
“Be thankful that you have one of the best young qbs in the league and stfu.”….Hello we don’t have that….Jameis is a complete bust on and off the field….Doug Williams had the Bucs in the NFC Championship game in his 3rd year….
June 29th, 2018 at 6:19 pm
Winton’s instragram post to his girlfriend “going back to high school”. Don’t know how his FSU “hassle” factors in what happened AFTER high school. Is this part of the bigtime con job to the world? He did post this publicly, so it’s fair game to ask the question. Kind of makes me sick he puts this out there while lying to the world.
His words from May 2018–just about a month ago:
“One of the best plays in football just turned into one of the best plays of my life! You’ve been with me through everything you could ever imagine but never wavered! Your perseverance and love has taught me how to prioritize, empathize and focus on what truly matters. That’s why I had to put your love on TOP! I love you Breezi Boo! “
June 29th, 2018 at 6:19 pm
Just stomached a Tom Jones article on “Why Jameis Won’t Outplay This”. What a loser. So cute to see everyone who jumps on their high horse and puts themselves above others, “Holier than thou”. They think they are making a statement but in reality they are doing it just to make themselves feel better. So funny.
If we run Jameis off I guarantee we’ll look back at this JUST like we do with SB Champs Blount, Talib, and Bennett.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:19 pm
Hey Joe
I thought one of the main things that the Bucs drafted him for was the born leader he is? what happened to that?
June 29th, 2018 at 6:20 pm
K_Bassuka Says:
June 29th, 2018 at 6:14 pm
The sh!t happened 2 years ago….yeah….and 2 years of LIES followed
June 29th, 2018 at 6:21 pm
Wrote about that this morning. He’s no leader.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:21 pm
I wonder if he has lost Mrs Gropers trust, Groper Jr will be here soon and wedding bells will bring in the Gropers shortly after that.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:23 pm
Roy T
Well Roy is she wearing his ring and having his baby? Yes, the stfu and mind your fckn business.
We get it you’re still a very that obummer was the top cop in the land. GET OVER IT!
June 29th, 2018 at 6:24 pm
@Terrell Davis … ““He has to earn that trust back. That trust, to me, is gone until you earn it back. And it’s not by words,” Davis said. “It’s about your actions. In a locker room, your actions speak louder than what you say.”
That’s all that needed to be said. 100% on target.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:25 pm
Two years have gone by I’m sure everyone is aware and was like us awaiting the outcome so it’s not like it just happened but that’s how everyone makes it seem by forgetting to mention it. He’s going to address the team obviously and had been working on his image for 2 years.
He can gain trust back easily by winning and staying out of trouble but I agree he’s not the adult in the room and needs to fall back until he process otherwise just don’t let McCoy try to take leadership again please anything but that
June 29th, 2018 at 6:26 pm
This whole thing to me is really depressing. Being a Gator and not liking JW when he was in college, I totally dropped my school colors when he declared for the draft. I was originally in the Trade Down club, however when we drafted him I Fully supported him. Since I am the only Bucs fan in this small town I defended him. Egg all over the face. Truly sad that he has all the skills physically. If he ever gets a hold of whatever schizophrenia issues he has then the sky is the limit. I just hope he gets over it Here and goes on to be great. I couldn’t tolerate his actions if he was sober. Even though drunkenness is a horrible excuse it is a reason for irrational behavior. Substance abuse of any kind can be devastating to Anyone.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:29 pm
@DB55…the fine should be painful based on who it is. I think big money hurts a billionaire…and I don’t agree Richardson should go without suspension as well from his team. Jim Irsay got 6 games for booze/pills I believe, and $500K, plus his legal issues to boot. While serious, to me that is a lessor offense than what Richardson did. My hunch is probably a slew of owners or high up beareaucrats in or close to the NFL are guilty of same or similar things at some time, so they just better not be too bold on Richardson or the tables turn on them–my hunch. Sick really.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:29 pm
AlteredEgo Says:
June 29th, 2018 at 5:42 pm
Lamarcus….it ain’t the grope….it is the lies and deceit …..
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***BINGO!!!
June 29th, 2018 at 6:30 pm
So not one person sees the hypocrisy between the two punishments. Not only are you people pathetic but transparent af.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:30 pm
How could BINGO not be allowed to type?
June 29th, 2018 at 6:31 pm
@Roy … “Make the decision at the top and tell the team: “Jameis has lost our trust and confidence to lead this team on and off the field, and we are all working with him to resolve issues he has. You deserve the best leaders we can offer you. Therefore, Jameis will not be team captain or the starting QB in 2018, but WE DEMAND YOU GIVE HIM YOUR RESPECT as your fellow team mate as he works to earn back a chance to be put in a leadership position again.”
Sorry Roy, you know as well as I do that RESPECT IS EARNED. No one, not even your bosses, can DEMAND you give it to anyone else.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:31 pm
“He’s no leader”
In time, Joe will live to regret ever having thought or stated that “take”…
June 29th, 2018 at 6:31 pm
Joe quit with that Americas QB BS. It’s stupid and embarrassing.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:33 pm
Whatever. I was saying that I echo what AlteredEgo said above in that this is not about the action itself that he is accused of. It is about upon finding out about it himself he tried to hide it. Then when it came to light he lied to Everyone. Just deceitful and stupid. Bad judgement after the fact
June 29th, 2018 at 6:34 pm
Wow the glitches in Joes filter right now. smh.
Agree with what you said AlteredEgo about it not being the act but the deceit.
Not going to type another long one that doesn’t show.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:34 pm
@DB55…to address your other comments…only a fool could possibly bring a past president into this, and seriously, you are implying it’s a race thing? Please donate your brain to science on passing so we learn more about why people are stupid. Thanks for reminding me of the mindset that supports Winston though anything, even sexual assualt. smh
June 29th, 2018 at 6:35 pm
Test
June 29th, 2018 at 6:37 pm
So in summary rich dude can do whatever he wants Jameis must lose his career bc of a gripe that happened once and lasted 5 seconds. Got it! #Murica
Truth be told he was better off punching her in the face and having Darby and banks kick stomp her that would have earned him only a one game suspension. Smdh
June 29th, 2018 at 6:38 pm
@Defense Rules…good point…but as long as Jameis is on the team, he gets the basic respect as a team mate…but not as a leader. Yeah, they could leave that out and it would be fine with me!
June 29th, 2018 at 6:39 pm
DB55…yup, now we definitely see the mindset that supports Winston. You’ve got issues.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:40 pm
Where am I wrong?
June 29th, 2018 at 6:44 pm
Roy T
Problem is people like you are incapable of finding real facts, you call for peoples careers while turning a blind eye to worse atrocities depending on who commits them. You are a case study on justice in America. You sir are what wrong with America. Quick to call for the end of some people while simultaneously giving a pass to others. Go fck yourself. Sincerely DB
June 29th, 2018 at 6:44 pm
DB55 where are you wrong? Well, to start with, JW is a rich dude too.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Sc
Not yet. And he’s certainly no billionaire
June 29th, 2018 at 6:46 pm
And he’s far from white but whatever
June 29th, 2018 at 6:47 pm
There goes the race card ^
June 29th, 2018 at 6:47 pm
DB “master deflector and has to be race card PHD55”: Both Richardson and Donald Sterling before him, were both forced to sell their franchises and fined and lost cash. Would you be happy if they were forced to sit out 3-6 home games?
What does that have to do with the JW topic and 1st overall pick? This is because of race again? Tons of people jumping on D Watson and S Barkley, L Jackson.. please tell the Reverends we said hello.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:50 pm
I agree that some of his teammates might think he’s some kind of porn star and may no longer believe in him. Yet 22 for 34, 300 +yards passing, and 4 touchdowns will make everyone a believer. Go Bucs.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:51 pm
@DB55….where do you get that? I answered your question and think Richardson should get hammered as bad as Winston. I have not given a pass to anyone. Jameis is ruining himself. Yet you bring r*ce into it. I am glad you recognize…evident from your “instructions” to me in your last…that yeah, you can’t just take a woman’s privates.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:51 pm
Dude if JW isn’t rich then you hang with some impressive people. Rookie contract $25 million. I’d say that’s rich.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:52 pm
I love how first it was the alcohol defense now it’s the racist defense. It’s actuallt because he’s a bad guy.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:52 pm
most likely jameis will sit until week 6…that’s the game after the bye week…
he will prolly sit for the first 4, and come back for game 5…which happens to be in week 6
June 29th, 2018 at 6:52 pm
And you are right, it’s Richardsons fault he’s white
June 29th, 2018 at 6:55 pm
jameis’ main problem is he’s always trying to get a release
(if you know what i mean)…
– tried at fsu to no avail, and settled…
– tried with uber driver and got played…
and now even the glazers won’t give him an outright release…go figure…he will prolly have to do the hand jive
June 29th, 2018 at 6:56 pm
The money JW stands to lose Way less than what Richardson lost DB. I want some of what you are smoking.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:57 pm
Both Richardson and Donald Sterling before him, were both forced to sell their franchises
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FALSE! Richardson was not “forced” to sell he did so voluntarily. The leagues only punishment was 2.75 mill fine.
Mean the eagles lb who punched an hotel employee in the face and then had his boys jump him get 1 game suspension.
Jameis Winston is indeed AMERICA’s QUARTERBACK
June 29th, 2018 at 6:59 pm
JW would lose $124,000 in base salary for the three games.
Richardson fined 2.75 million and forced to sell billion dollar company.
Racist as fck if you ask me but wtfdik.
June 29th, 2018 at 6:59 pm
SB
He paid 206 million and sold it for 2.2 Billion minus 2.75 fine. I’m smoking facts, you want some?
June 29th, 2018 at 7:00 pm
DB55 you are an angry man
June 29th, 2018 at 7:01 pm
And now you know why the NFL released this JW suspension in the summer right before training camp. There is nothing going on in the NFL. So give the lemmings what they grave, DRAMA! Keep the NFL in the news. It’s all BS and a bigger game than the Super Bowl. It’s all about the shield, the logo, the product. They know the lemmings will eat this stuff up and chew on the bone like a ravenous dog. The NFL will keep this simmering all summer long but once the ‘real games’ start and the 3 game suspension is over it will be a whimper in NFL circles. So I say keep at it Buc fans. Give the mighty NFL all they want which is to keep pecking on your keyboards and taking sides. After all if everyone was on the same side how much drama could that create?
June 29th, 2018 at 7:01 pm
He wasn’t forced to sell he did so voluntarily but now you guys are more upset at the race card than the 4 women he assualted. Which one is it?
June 29th, 2018 at 7:03 pm
So Richardson made 2 billion of the sale, no jail time and certainly no public outcry.
That’s a hell of a punishment
June 29th, 2018 at 7:04 pm
DB55 what do you think was appropriate for Richardson?
June 29th, 2018 at 7:04 pm
Wait you said he wasn’t forced to sell. So his fine was 2.75 Million while JW’s was 124k. Your racist argument holds Zero water. Stop doing this to yourself man.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:06 pm
In other news Tiger Wood’s new putter is money!!!!Another American comeback story? Maybe. Sell the sizzle!!
June 29th, 2018 at 7:07 pm
@AlteredEgo
2 years of lying? Which of of his teammates knew about this and asked confronted him on the issue? Don’t make stuff up just cause you dont like him.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:07 pm
What he did is wrong. I’ve done something similar and I Felt bad the morning after, but I don’t deserve to be fired over that. I’m gonna forgive him, but one more little thing and I’m done. I still believe him in the FSU case. I’ve read about that, seen pictures, clubs Erica Kinsman was a part of. I believe she had an agenda. All in all; what he did was wrong. Now it’s time to earn our and the locker room’s trust back
June 29th, 2018 at 7:09 pm
Yeah didn’t he shoot a 65 today?
June 29th, 2018 at 7:13 pm
@DB55…when Jameis goes to get his knoggin fixed, be close by and see if you can get a two-for-one deal.
Enough for the evening.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:14 pm
DB55…is a small man
June 29th, 2018 at 7:17 pm
DB55
Please stop embarrassing the “ REAL DB 55” with your outlandish & really ludicrous analogies.. Jaboo clearly has issues, let’s see if he can clear these things up & redeem himself. This was not a witch hunt….. he brought it on himself… Go Bucs… can’t we all just get along…
June 29th, 2018 at 7:19 pm
SB,
Without looking up JW’s salary, I”m gonna guess he is making more than $660K this year. Where do you come up with your 3 game lost paycheck of 124K?
June 29th, 2018 at 7:21 pm
I just like coming here to shut all you dumbasses up. And these are just the posts that joe lets through. When I provide links and facts they often disappear but which one of you care about facts? None just the demise of young men.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:22 pm
DP
I didn’t say that.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:25 pm
DB,
That was for SB.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:28 pm
Winston has definitely lost a percentage of the locker room it just depends on how much and who.
As far as the Winston isn’t rich comments, are yall crazy, of course he’s rich wake up. Jerry Richardson just happens to have that F you money with billions compared to Winston’s measly millions(strong sarcasm).
June 29th, 2018 at 7:32 pm
Base salary
2015 -435k
2016- 525k
2017 – 615k
2018 – 705k
2019 – 20.9 million.
And someone said he’s already rich. Tampa getting a steal right now.
And the nfl gives a billionaire a 2.75 mil fine
And the nfl gives a star linebacker a 1 game suspension for beating up a hotel employee.
Zero games to kapernick when a naked women runs into a Miami hospital claiming assault. Come to find out she was lying, is that even possible?
Lmao, but Winston’s emails though….smh. #Muriica’s Quarterback
June 29th, 2018 at 7:32 pm
Winston’s contract for those that care was 4 years $23.35mill with a $16.7mill signing bonus, homie is rich!
June 29th, 2018 at 7:38 pm
Billionaire receives a multimillion dollar fine and shamed out of the NFL, a millionaire receives a 6 figure fine and zero tolerance clause, that’s about right.
June 29th, 2018 at 7:53 pm
He was probably celebrating the news that FSU paid off one of his other plaintiffs two months prior. The dude has a mental illness and needs to be treated. Read this: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/florida-state-to-pay-jameis-winstons-accuser-950k-in-lawsuit-settlement/
June 29th, 2018 at 8:03 pm
Djx supports him
June 29th, 2018 at 8:17 pm
The suspension won’t hit Winston hard financially, as his base salary for 2018 is just $705,000, so he loses just $124,411. He is due to make $20.9 million in 2019, so the same suspension would cost him about $3.7 million if appeals pushed it to next season.Jun 21, 2018
June 29th, 2018 at 8:22 pm
I got to give to him to admit it. With his past and if he was the liar as claimed. He wouldn’t admit it. He would of fought it to the death of him. He has more to lose than a Uber driver. But maybe he thought even if he didn’t do it ppl still would of said he did it.
Yes I will back JW like I back my ppl. When my ppl go thru things no matter I stay loyal and never turn my back on them. I’ll help them. Because that’s what America should be like.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:26 pm
To everybody on here that is piling on Jameis but voted for Trump: you all are some hypocrites!
June 29th, 2018 at 8:30 pm
Why are we comparing offenses and fines and arguing about them? I think most of us agree that what Winston did was wrong and that he deserves to be suspended. The only thing we should be arguing about is should he still be our QB. Notice I said SHOULD, not will he be. IMO, the only way Licht/Koetter save thier jobs is if Winston comes back and plays well and we win more than we lose AFTER he comes back. If they cut/bench Winston then Licht is admitting that he made the biggest mistake of his career (that’s saying a lot considering Aguayo), with the 1st overall pick, and Koetter will have to show he can coach up Fitzpatrick to get the offense going (not happening). They both should be praying that the Glazers don’t throw them a curveball and demand that Licht releases Winston. With all that said, if Fitzpatrick starts 3-0, all bets are off!! lol
June 29th, 2018 at 8:32 pm
Told you we should’ve drafted Mariota
June 29th, 2018 at 8:33 pm
Actually I think our offense will do just fine with Fitz at the help Eric. With this dynamic of a receiving corps and hopefully an upgrade on OL and RB stable we should be alright. Now if our defense is Above average we have a good shot at 2 and 1 at least.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:34 pm
*helm*
June 29th, 2018 at 8:35 pm
Jameis is a coward. He has historically refused to take responsibility for his actions and, until now, managed to wiggle his way out of owning his crap. He has been coddled, enabled and protected- given every benefit of doubt- even trusted. Let’s not pretend this is a one off.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:43 pm
In regards to money, Winston lost or will lose more in endorsements than base salary in 2018….the rookie contracts are pro-NFLowner as they should be until a player proves he is worth of the bigger contracts. If you look at his roster bonus of 3.1 million thats where the bulk of his Buc money is coming from in 2018 but it cant be touched unless he is not on the team, which wont happen this year unless the Glazers put down the hammer.
https://overthecap.com/player/jameis-winston/3849
June 29th, 2018 at 8:44 pm
In regards to money, Winston lost or will lose more in endorsements than base salary in 2018….the rookie contracts are pro-NFLowner as they should be until a player proves he is worth of the bigger contracts. If you look at his roster bonus of 3.1 million thats where the bulk of his Buc money is coming from in 2018 but it cant be touched unless he is not on the team, which wont happen this year unless the Glazers put down the hammer.
My #s are from overthecap
June 29th, 2018 at 8:46 pm
SB, I hope you’re right! I’ve never been on the “go get Nick Foles” train, but just an above average QB should be able to score points with this offense. I wish this came out last offseason. We could have traded for Jimmy G, even though he’s still pretty unproven. Andy Dalton could score with these offensive weapons.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:49 pm
Frank Pillow, if you happen to be a listener of the Crime In Sports Podcast, you would already know that Winston has always been enabled by a middle aged, silver haired white man! Lol! That’s too funny! Listen to the podcast!
June 29th, 2018 at 8:56 pm
so most of you are mad that he lied and was deceitful. Really like he owes us any ounce of truth. He’s a human he is going to try and save his own ass first. You think he owes you something because you buy a bucs hat and a T-shirt. And attend some games along with 50,000 other people. How dare a football player lie to us. Jesus the president of the United States blatantly lied and said I did not have sexual relations with Monica lewinski. But a player on your favorite football team does it and he has to be cut you can’t trust him anymore. You guys are talking like you are his friend or something. Who the hell cares if you can’t trust him. If the coaches and owners whose job is on the line back him it doesn’t matter what you think. You can throw hissy fits on here and act like he is some crazed maniac and email your ticket rep that you are canceling your tickets. And they won’t care two craps. So all you people that can’t stand to see him be the qb bye have fun being a fan somewhere else. The kid made a small error in judgement then tried to cover his own butt. I think the embarrassment he has caused his family his fiancé and what his baby is going to hear when they are older is going to be punishment enough for something that wasn’t ever even reported as a crime. He was to subtle in his attempt to get a piece of out of town booty. Let’s ruin his career.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:56 pm
When you lie to people, they don’t trust you anymore. And they shouldn’t.
June 29th, 2018 at 8:58 pm
Jason Licht said Winston was the best leader he had ever been around, in anything.
June 29th, 2018 at 9:02 pm
Here goes Capt Tim
Hey stop trolling and being a hypocrite and a huge fraud
June 29th, 2018 at 9:12 pm
DB55 no mention of the 16M signing bonus?
Oh yeah, stupid facts.
June 29th, 2018 at 9:17 pm
By the way DB has lost his job he is being forced to sell his team
June 29th, 2018 at 9:18 pm
Jerry lost his job
June 29th, 2018 at 9:37 pm
Season Is Over Says:
June 29th, 2018 at 8:58 pm
Jason Licht said Winston was the best leader he had ever been around, in anything.
^^^It’s figures, America’s worst GM loves America’s predatory.
June 29th, 2018 at 9:42 pm
You guys should read more.
And Capt Tim I don’t even read your comments haven’t in a while your about the most backwards on here.
June 29th, 2018 at 10:42 pm
Winston need to start working out for baseball cause the NFL don’t care about there players. Any body can lie on there players and they don’t have to have proof and they will get suspended. Goodell is the worst thing that could of happen to the NFL. Now I want to see what going to happen to the lady that lied on the 49ers Line backer . No one is talking bad about her you see that’s the real problem in women know this that’s why you have to have proof .
June 29th, 2018 at 11:08 pm
Lets remember who we are really pissed off at -> Winston. He created the mess and failed everyone with this dirt. The fans are going after each other as a result of the psychological effect going on here and on social media with the polarizing way he has behaved on/off field.
Ultimately, we fans pay the TAX on his actions. You add that to all the losing and its combustive like gas and a match waiting to be struck.
June 29th, 2018 at 11:12 pm
DB55 and JeffBuc
It’s not the “groping” that brought him down. And it’s not the simple act of partying with the wrong crowd…drunk on your butt…at 3AM…what “good” happens drunk at 3AM with bad friends and a defense about groping that includes blacking out. If it was the first…or second…or 3rd or…..”incident” it would be totally different even if he is guilty of groping.
But this guy has a PR rap sheet that was long by the time he got to the Bucs. So give him the benefit of the doubt at all the FSU stuff…write it off to youthful indiscretion, I did and was happy when we drafted him. At recently as May I told my son I was still on the Jameis bandwagon and believed in his talent.
But this kid has no character. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. He BETRAYED so many people and put Koetter’s and Smitty and Licht’s jobs in jeopardy. His teammates will not have him for the first three games but will have the major distraction that will simply fire up again at game 4.
THINK back to the stuff Jameis faced at his draft time. Do we suppose that the Glazers/Licht/Koetter didn’t talk to Jameis about his behavior if they drafted him. Do we not believe that Jameis gave them his word. What’s his word worth? If you can’t take a man at his word…..
Does the OBVIOUS nature of Jameis selfish stupidity not blow your mnds. A dude with Jameis long list of charges…decides it’s fine to party with the same guy that ties Jameis to the Kinsman charges and another guy who was actually already convicted of rape out only on appeal…getting so hammered that being blacked out is an excuse?
Bottom line…Jameis is not a man of is word. He simply cannot be trusted.
June 29th, 2018 at 11:17 pm
Sorry I forgot to add this above. I agree with Davis that Winston is back to being a rookie type status seeking to gain the trust of this team. Its no longer his team. He lost that privilege in the uber car and I hope that some of this teammates really let him know how out of bounds he has been since he got here. If you look at the whole timeline of on/off field issues this is a pattern. JBF is right he is not a leader. He needs the help of a professional. I agree with the language the NFL placed in the announcement about meeting criteria to address issue.
June 29th, 2018 at 11:27 pm
Stop it. Koeter and Smitty and Licht all put their own jobs in jeopardy by garbage coaching and bad records. If they cant survive 3 games without Winston, then thats just more proof they need to be fired in the 1st place.
Jameis’s history has absolutely nothing to do with the issue in question. All you people playing judges and have no evidence to back up anything related to THIS one issue. But you swear you are holier than thou. Get off your soap box.
June 29th, 2018 at 11:35 pm
Couch
There is plenty of evidence now that the NFL released their report. There is no question about the long list of Jameis’ FSU troubles.
You live in a dream world if you do not believe Jameis long PR rap sheet doesn’t get added into this…and it should! How many mistakes does a man get to make?
If the Bucs gambled on you and made you promise to watch your nightime behavior that going out at 3AM getting hammered with an alleged rapist (at the time) was not a betrayal I have some stock in in the Sunshine Skyway to you
June 29th, 2018 at 11:48 pm
Couch did he not lie about Darby presence in car in his first stmt in Nov to the fans? At what point, do you hold him accountable? How about last year and attacking Lattimore? Was that a leader and someone poised and leading?
June 29th, 2018 at 11:58 pm
Yes he lied but lying is not full proof evidence. People lie for many reasons. Maybe he knew that people would judge him guilty no matter what he said just like the ones in this post and he paniced. See you can spin it many different ways but without actual evidence or proof, we are all just guessing. I have no problem holding him or anyone else accountable when theres actual evidence and not just heresay. The fact the woman never filed a police report at the very least is suspicious. Step back and look at it from the bigger picture without looking at history, which has nothing to do with this issue, and its impossible to be so absolutely sure beyond any doubt that he did something terribly wrong. Unless you are looking at it through a bias perspective.
June 30th, 2018 at 12:04 am
There is no evidence St Pete LMAO. If it were it’d be all over the news. The NFL made a statement nothing more. Btw this isnt FSU. This is his 1st problem with the Bucs. So I think he deserves at least one chance to redeem himself with the Bucs. If this case went to court, they wouldnt be basing any decision on his history. So again, looking from an unbias perspective, you have nothing that you can point to and say he’s completely guilty of anything other than being a immature young adult.
June 30th, 2018 at 12:08 am
@donuts
In regards to money, Winston lost or will lose more in endorsements than base salary in 2018
What endorsements? Does he have any?
Is Joe Redner still alive? That’s about the only endorsement Jameis might be able to get… “Come on down to the Mons and Grab A P***Y!” I’m Jameis Winston and I approve this message…
June 30th, 2018 at 1:47 am
What happened to my post?
It had posted, now its gone
June 30th, 2018 at 7:15 am
@Capt: some posts are removed if it does not fit the narrative. Look at it like CNN reports news.
June 30th, 2018 at 7:38 am
Wow….there some sick amoral people posting on this thread that can not separate their sports idol from fundamental right and wrong…I am a Bucs fan first and foremost….players have come and gone since 1976 when I saw my first game..The franchise is at a crossroads like no other in the history of the team….IMO Jameis needs a whole year off…not so much as punishment but because we care about his long term prospects….he needs to be away from a football team to ponder is life…he is still in denial ,IMO, as sees himself as a victim and not the sole cause of the abhorrent predicament
June 30th, 2018 at 7:57 am
Seeing that the owners have not made any public statements about this and we overlooked a man elected president after stating “grab them by the pu**y, I guess we as sports fans and voters decided that winning is more important than being a decent human being. I still say fire Winston, hire Kaepernick. Kneeling during the National Anthem seems to be worse in the minds of many than grabbing them by the pu**y.
June 30th, 2018 at 8:11 am
glen and others….Trump said “I can grab the by the puzzzy”…big difference bragging and actually doing….that and I’ve noticed a JBF bias in allowing racist comments and political smears and innuendo ….odd in a heavily moderated forum…
June 30th, 2018 at 8:26 am
AlteredEgo Says:
“Hello we don’t have that….Jameis is a complete bust on and off the field….Doug Williams had the Bucs in the NFC Championship game in his 3rd year….”
That is such a total crock. Doug Williams did not get us to the championship, the defense did. He may be a part of Bucs History, but he was a horrible quarterback. Half the time here he had more picks than touchdowns. He only broke the 3,000 yard mark 2 of 9 years in his career.
It’s common to say he was let go because of racism, but the truth is he was not good enough to keep. He had even become injury prone. From his last season with the Bucs forward (5 years), he only played 20 of 80 games.
He was nowhere close to as good as Jameis Winston.
June 30th, 2018 at 8:26 am
So tired of posts disappearing.
June 30th, 2018 at 8:30 am
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
June 30th, 2018 at 8:26 am
So tired of posts disappearing.
# me too
some after they appear…some never appear…others an hour later….What’s up with that Joe’s ?
June 30th, 2018 at 8:45 am
I support Jamies, Don’t think he lied, but rather was so trashed he didn’t even remember the “second Uber ride.”
He made bad choices on being so drunk, hanging out with an accused rapist …
Hate that kate had to wait almost 2 years … until she had kinsman’s lawyer to make her own metoo money grab.
She seems like a real douche. Even the quote she had to dig for (how much was she manipulated by the lawyer?) was one of Jamies’ low moments where he mispoke as he was trying to “control” a room full of kids is disingenuous BS.
She was a “victim” of crass behavior and really revels in playing the dramatic victim.
Sadly, our idiot QB gave her the chance by doing “something” that made her “uncomfortable”
June 30th, 2018 at 9:05 am
@Joe
Your comment, Without permission. Joe this is not grade school, without permission is something a 3rd grader does. Talks without permission.
This is Assult. Your sugar coating is just more enabling of a person that needs help. I am appalled at your approach.
June 30th, 2018 at 9:34 am
Comments are unreadable, as are most of the headlines now.
For those who may miss the key point –
“Trust” in this situation is fundamentally based on everyone doing their job, doing it the best that they can and meet expectations of what is expected of them on and off the field.
It isn’t as simple as the media portrays it to be in these Captain Obvious soundbites.
Until this QB can do that consistently with no issues, he is NOT the ‘team’s QB’ in reality (oh – sure everyone says the right things).
He probably doesn’t understand that is how it works … yet. Obviously.
June 30th, 2018 at 9:39 am
Are posts getting screened now? Apparently.
I’m done.
June 30th, 2018 at 9:47 am
Bonsai …. Doug Williams did have a lot of Int’s and overthrows His strength was his fierce competiness and courageous leadership…. I saw every one of his home games live ! Cheap azz Culverhouse thought he could bully Doug and Doug rightfully left
June 30th, 2018 at 10:03 am
Just cut him now and MOVE ON. Admit to ANOTHER colossal mistake, move on and try and recoup your losses. THAT is what a team with INTEGRITY would do……
June 30th, 2018 at 10:37 am
DB55 is a troll
June 30th, 2018 at 10:45 am
So this is the feeling I’m getting everyone wants to cut him and let him go to a new team where he will grow and be just another former bucs player that goes and wins a super bowl and then all of you that want him cut will cry because he should’ve been the Bucs QB…… Some of you are ridiculous……. This happened 27 months ago, I’m sure we’ve all done something inappropriate in the past that we dont ever want coming out in the future…. This is his real first incident in the NFL, the man is about to have a baby and everything let it ride and we’ll see him in week 4….. I’m pretty sure a good percentage of the fans that want him cut wanted Mariota in the draft
June 30th, 2018 at 10:47 am
Bonsai…it is a poor reflection on common sense and basic football perspective to say Doug Williams only had 2 3,000 yds games….as it is to say Jameis’s passing yds are historically high….when in FACT the game was played with different rules and philosophies in the two eras….kind of like saying Walter Payton stats were inflated by todays standards…disingenuous
June 30th, 2018 at 11:33 am
Remember these posts when Jameis is lifting the trophy. Remember these ignorant Bucs Fans piling on Jameis and discrediting his leadership, including you JOE. Famous Jameis will rise.
June 30th, 2018 at 12:02 pm
BFScout…we are not even talking about Jameis’s on field here….we are talking about SERIOUS off field behavior and character issues….sad that must be pointed out to you
June 30th, 2018 at 5:10 pm
Too bad we picked Vita over Josh Rosen.
July 2nd, 2018 at 10:39 am
Have not read all the comments, so this might be a repeat. But, didn’t our president proclaim that when youa re a celebrity, you can just “grab ‘em by the p—-y”? Not sure what all the problem is here.
July 2nd, 2018 at 10:39 am
Because, really. If there are any Trump supporters posting criticisms about what Jameis is ‘alleged’ to have done, then they also need to STFU!