The Future Of Jameis
May 15th, 2018
Potential crossroads season.
There is a lot riding on the upcoming season for a lot of folks at One Buc Palace.
How important of a season is it? Well, with the exception of one coach, Team Glazer has never retained a coach who had two consecutive losing seasons. Who was that lucky coach? It was the same guy who won the Bucs a Super Bowl.
Oh, and the general manager is in the final year of his contract. Yikes.
Then there is the quarterback, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston. If the Bucs have another lousy season this year, how can Team Glazer throw wads of cash at Jameis to extend his contact given he would have guided the Bucs to a lot more losses than wins through four seasons.
This subject was a matter of discussion on the podcast “Sports Day Tampa Bay,” hosted by Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times.
Using thepremise that Jameis struggles in 2018 (in part due to suspension?), Stroud believes Team Glazer will let Jameis finish out his five-year contract before making a decision.
“If [2018] is not a good year, I think Jameis gets one more season,” Stroud said. “I don’t think he gets the extension. I think he plays or begins to play at least on the fifth year option. He may play the whole [2019] season at $20 million dollars. It will be a new coaching staff and a new GM coming in to try to save the franchise quarterback. Remember: there has never been a [drafted] quarterback make it to a second contract with the Bucs. …
“If [Jameis] has a good year [in 2019], you have the franchise tag available or could use the offseason after you franchise him to try to sign him to a long-term extension which you would think at that point he would be willing to do.”
The elephant in the room is the potential suspension hanging over Jameis’ head. It’s a damn shame this fraud of an “investigation” has not yet wrapped up.
Yes, this season is pivotal in so many ways. Critical for Bucs coach Dirk Koetter. Crucial for Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht. And very important for Jameis.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:24 am
Jameis will get his second contract with the Bucs. 8 years 250 million.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:30 am
Bye bye Not America’s QB.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:36 am
Jameis will be here regardless of what any of these haters think. Look around the league at the QB position. Not many young qbs out there that i would rather have then Jameis. He will be the QB of this team for the next 10 years as long as the off the field issues aren’t an issue.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:36 am
I’m quite sure that the new contract will have all sorts of conduct provisions that will protect the owners. Jameis’ behavior (or alleged behavior) has already cost him millions in endorsements and will cost him millions in the future.
But, he will make his QB money….that will only be slightly effected by behavior.
The most troubling think, if it is true, is that he apparently didn’t inform the team about his situation. That creates a huge trust issue going forward.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:36 am
@Phil
It has been a long time since I participated in the good weed from the 70’s. However if you have any left, send me some of what you are smoking.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:42 am
Jason Licht is rebuilding talent the right way, he is a solid GM- not perfect, but roster looks better and better,
Koetter is under more pressure- 21 points per game doesn’t cut it… running game is crucial, success in red zone is crucial,
Clamp down on distractions- make it happen!
May 15th, 2018 at 7:47 am
@Tampabaybucfan
Included in the provisions would be that he wins.
Funny that when you read the blogs from around the league, he is never mentioned. At this point in his career he has proven himself to be just average. And no I would not have drafted Mary-ota either.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:55 am
@passthebuc
I have stated many, many times that if you give Jameis a running game and just a simply half-way decent defense (average)……he will bring back a championship.
I truly believe that. I think many of his turnovers are his competitiveness and trying to do too much….trying to carry the team on his shoulders and coming from behind.
Jameis will be fine in that regard….but the behavior….i’m just not sure and that’s because it simply seems to be in his nature.
May 15th, 2018 at 8:04 am
I’m hopeful that Jameis would take an extension similar to what Aaron Rodgers is coming off of but considering he’s the best QB we’ve ever had (which admittedly isn’t saying much) I imagine he’ll take the Glazers for all they’ve got.
May 15th, 2018 at 8:07 am
The question needs to be, Will the Glazers get out in front of this????? The Glazers would have or can, receive all the info from the investigation/ or their own investigation to get a clear picture of what when down and what happen in reaction to the suspension of the account!!!!! And with that knowledge and feeling comfortable, do they start to negotiate for a team friendly deal!!!!!!! a lower 3 year, with 2 huge option years, that will protect and help both parties!!!!! first 3 years 18 million, then 2 option years at 28 million for example!!!!!!
If JW3 is all about “winning” then let the team be setup to “win”!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 15th, 2018 at 8:07 am
Jameis is going to be here a long, long time, and thankfully so. He is a tremendous leader, and will show everyone what he is capable of as a QB.
May 15th, 2018 at 8:10 am
LOL … That is simply not true or how the league works… IF we have a bad season and many get their wish of Licht and Koetter gone there will be change. We will again be rebuilding.. IF we don’t see an improvement no new incoming leadership group will be inclined to sign Winston to a massive extension as they don’t have their names tied to his success. And honestly logically speaking if we don’t do well and Winston is so so why would we cant to sign him for a huge deal? If the season is a failure and we have the new leadership it is more likely we just take a new QB in the draft over committing massive cap resources.
This all being said I am on Koetter, Licht, and Winstons side. I really hope they can turn this around because I don’t want to sit through a rebuild and I want to believe Winston is our guy for the foreseeable future.
May 15th, 2018 at 8:11 am
With Ryan Griffin waiting and well rested we will release him and play that kid. He will no doubt cheaply lead us to 1-15 in the 2 games he plays before he gets hurt.
May 15th, 2018 at 8:14 am
I was 100% behind Jameis up until last year and some of the stuff he did, I really hope that he picks up his game to the upper tier of QBs in the league he definitely has the weapons but only thing he and the bucs need is a legit RT to help protect him and the offense, hope licht gets it done
May 15th, 2018 at 8:22 am
Jameis has also lost more than he’s won in part to historically bad defenses in 2015 and 2017, and 2016 except for the six game stretch that saved Mike Smith’s butt. He’s had at least five games where he gave the Bucs the lead late in the 4th quarter only to have the defense extrude dung on the bed.
With an average defense, Jameis would be at .500 already. And probably in the playoffs in 2016 with one more win (Raiders game for example) .
May 15th, 2018 at 8:27 am
He is entering his 4th year in the SAME offense, with the same “OC” and has as many weapons as any offense in the league. We have been saying it since his second season and we continue to say it: “this is a big year for him”. His time is reduced. He HAS to be better on and off of the field!
Some of you don’t believe that anybody else can play his position. He, like everyone, is replaceable!
May 15th, 2018 at 8:35 am
Before we all get excited, all this article says is “We don’t know what Jameis’ future holds.” Period, as in “It depends.” Duh. If Jameis gets crotchety again (allegedly of course) then all bets are off. If the Bucs go 5-11 for the next 2 seasons then again, all bets are off. But what if he leads us to the playoffs … twice? Yup, line up the Brinks trucks ’cause someone’s gonna get paid.
None of us knows what’s in store, but we’ve all seen enough of Jameis’ talents to know that if the Bucs don’t want him, LOTS of other teams will line up to sign him. And not as a backup … as their lead dog.
May 15th, 2018 at 8:43 am
The bar in Tampa for greatness is set so low Jameis will easily go down as greatest buc of all time surpassing Sapp. Reality sucks for the haters living in denial. Jameis is the victim here not the uber skank.
May 15th, 2018 at 8:45 am
This season is critical. If he and the team have a bad season and DK gets fired then he’s basically on a year contract with a new staff
May 15th, 2018 at 8:50 am
Joe,
Why quote anything from the awful Tampa Bay Times?
The same paper that kept the disgusting Matt Baker and got rid of your very own Ira.
Part of me hopes Jameis moves on to another team and wins multiple championships, but thankfully some of the idiotic fans and local writers aka hacks don’t get to make the decisions so he will get to win right here in Tampa.
May 15th, 2018 at 8:54 am
D.R. I’m not sure the Bucs can survive another 5-11 season. I think that would be a disaster of unbelievable proportions.
The GM…coaches…and yeah probably the QB will all be gone as another regime takes over. And the next guys through the door do not have the same pressure on them that Koetter, Licht, Smitty and #3 have on them this year. And a new coach has ZERO allegiance to #3.
I irritate 813…sorry 813 lol…because I view 2017 as just one of those seasons.
I think bad decisions like Swaggy certainly contributed…but so did actual reasons which 813 prefers to call excuses…#3’s bum arm…Spence and all the other injuries. For me I just want to wipe the slate clean of 2017 instead of the continual discussion of what was luck and how much was our fault.
It won’t matter at all in 2018. If you have bad enough luck on the highway you die in a car accident. That’s pretty much the Buc’s ’18 season…do or die…facts or excuses will mean nothing…win or else!!! I’m not even saying that it’s fair but it is what it is….win this year or the rebuilding begins…yet again!!!!
Kenny Koggins had a hit song that CBS used for their music for the final four won by NC State. “This Is It.”
(This is it)
Make no mistake where you are
(This is it)
Your back’s to the corner
(This is it)
Don’t be a fool anymore
(This is it)
The waiting is over, no room to run
No way to hide
No time for wonderin’ why
It’s here, the moment is now, about to decide
May 15th, 2018 at 8:56 am
That’s 2 yrs down the road but at age 26 and 5 yrs of experience under his belt I’m sure another team would be more than willing to pick him up and give him a shot to start. Only downside for him is he wouldn’t get a top-tier contract but if you look at what Mike Glennon and Osweiler got paid Winston should at least get 22-23 million a year if he hits the open market. He’ll get paid regardless only question is who’s signature will be on the check.
May 15th, 2018 at 9:01 am
Jameis ain’t going anywhere. He’s probably the best QB we have had in a long time if not the best. He’s a Buc unless he skrews up off the field. Go Bucs!!
May 15th, 2018 at 9:09 am
@StPeteBucsFan
I just do not like the whole setup of the “do or die” season!!!!! How many times is that a recipe for success????? How does it help the team?????? The talk about it, The media ask the players and coaches how they are dealing with the pressure, How does it help??????
My issue with last year, was that their were distraction, pressure from “real” fans, so-called fans, media and owners!!!!!!!!! Every year their will be enough distractons, injuries and pressure to succeed on it own!!!!!! I will have this team’s back until the end of the year, when we will have the full picture and time to evaluate!!!!!! I want the team, coaches and player to be put in the very best position to succeed!!!!!!! Every team has pressure to make the playoffs, but does every team have the stick carries and so-called fans chanting for new coaches before week 8????????
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 15th, 2018 at 9:17 am
Uber just lifted the requirement that any sexual harassment cases involving workers or riders must go to arbitration and must remain confidential……Somewhat explains why nothing was said for so long and could be another problem for Winston.
May 15th, 2018 at 9:29 am
dont let jameis go to cincy with aj…who is HEAD and shoulders above inconsistent mike. lol!! the buc tears would flood the panhandle.. 🙂
May 15th, 2018 at 9:30 am
when he learns to look off defenders and throw the ball with one hand…. I’ll be all on board
May 15th, 2018 at 9:36 am
JW will end up in Jacksonville if all the coaches get fired like everyone keeps hoping for.
Honor a contract. Win or Lose. Honor is important.
May 15th, 2018 at 9:46 am
I just don’t get why you guys are trying to run Jameis out of town. Your QB history has been a crap show. This is the best QB that Tampa Bay has ever had, and if you had a defense last year, or the year before, and you could make a freaking FG then his story would be a different story. TB is in the toughest conference in the league with 3 teams that is legitimate super bowl contenders, and TB has been competitive with them, and with a defense and again a FG kicker, and for that matter a RB this is a different story. None of this is the QB. And the kid is only 24.
May 15th, 2018 at 9:46 am
Stupid talk. Winston will get at least $100M guaranteed and will be a Buccaneer for the next 12 years minimum…
If/When the Oline/ running game and Defense ever get “fixed” – Jameis Winston will be widely recognized as a top 5 NFL QB.
May 15th, 2018 at 9:48 am
StPete, I was talking about Jameis, but I do agree that it’s a ‘make-or-break’ for Koetter & Smitty. Maybe for Licht too (not sure at this point how the Glazer Boys perceive him). But unless Jameis botches it off the field, he’ll still be a Buc UNLESS he pulls a Josh Freeman or Doug Martin. Don’t see that happening BTW since he’s a staunch competitor (sometimes too much, as in playing with a bum shoulder and ultimately not helping the team by doing so). But as I said, LOTS of other teams (Jags are a great example JAB83) would line up to sign him.
May 15th, 2018 at 9:50 am
@Realist
I’m not suggesting that a “do or die” approach is the most effective…that’s why I tossed that line in there about it may not be fair but IMO it is what it is.
There is simply no appetite for patience in this fan base. We can argue till the cows come home whether it’s because the Buc’s embarrassing play has humiliated the fans into a bad attitude…or whether folks can accept the negative more easily than the positive.
I do not worry about the pressure of a “do or die” season…Koetter…Smitty…#3..Licht all better be able to handle that or I don’t want them around anyway. Pressure is what forges the toughest teams.
Of course I am the optimist so I see good things ahead. All of these guys have been under pressure their entire lives…this is nothing new for them. Even #3 has now experienced his share of challenges. He should be ready to go health permitting.
May 15th, 2018 at 10:04 am
Man, I just love Bucs fans. You guys are as inept as the team management. Why would you just assume that Jameis WANT’S to resign with the yucs?
Put yourself in his shoes. You are about to turn 26 and also about to sign a 100+-million contract to play football, wherever you want to play. Now you can re-sign with the inept yucs, continue to get your brains beat in and consistently lose 9-12 games a year for the rest of your career, or you can sign with an actual, real NFL franchise with a plan, win games and go to the playoffs. You know what I mean, a team who has a front office that understands the value of a running game, offensive line and a defense. The choice seems clear to me,and you can’t honestly say in his position you wouldn’t run from the bucs at first chance.
The bucs suck. That is one of life’s truisms and will be true in the future. They simply have no clue what it takes to win in this league and they will continue to be losers far in to the future.
Just look at their last two drafts. In 16 they went in with no edge rushers, no secondary, a shaky O line and high school level running backs. Who do the bucs select in the first round? A TE. Nice player, but hardly a need and did nothing to upgrade the team. Then we all know what happened int the second round. Fast forward to last year. The bucs go in to the draft with no edge rushers, no secondary, a shaky O line and junior high level running backs (see a familiar pattern?). Who do they select in the first round? A DT. Again, a nice player to be sure, but hardly a pressing need and will do nothing to improve the team next season.
They are simply inept with no long-term plans to build a winner. So Jameis just needs to run as far away from this mess of a franchise at his first opportunity. The fact of the matter is the bucs franchise sucks, it has always sucked and it will always suck. Run Jameis, run.
May 15th, 2018 at 10:06 am
Sign him now for 27 mill and save a ton of money!!
Now with sports gambling, salary cap going up up. Tv ratings and other revenue NFL will sign will smash records annually. NFL will be 25 billion annual business.
Russel wilson will sign for 35 mill
kobe&Kobe
“For the posters”
May 15th, 2018 at 10:41 am
Until Jameis leads Bucs to playoffs, he is in Doug Williams rear view mirror as far as Bucs all time qb goes
May 15th, 2018 at 10:54 am
@notabucsfan
Those are some good points. I never really thought that he may not want to re-sign with the Bucs once he has the option to choose where he goes.
May 15th, 2018 at 11:01 am
Jameis has had only 1 person call plays as a QB in the NFL. Before you get rid of him you need to see if it’s the playcaller or the QB. only way to do that is to get another playcaller before you give up on him.
May 15th, 2018 at 11:33 am
#3 is NOT going to bail on the Bucs! Have people been paying attention to this kid’s personality and his competitive fire. If he leaves before reaching playoffs he leaves a failure…I don’t see him doing that….ever….he cannot stand the thought of failure!
May 15th, 2018 at 11:57 am
TVal you must be complete troll. Mike Evans is inconstistent??? GFO!! Why don’t you go try swimming the gulf from Tampa to the panhandle you JA!
May 15th, 2018 at 12:17 pm
Unless Jameis wants next year to be his prove it year with a whole new system in place then I think he needs to play smart and play a little more conservative this year. Take what the defense gives him and not force it into tiny windows that result into turnovers. Use his check downs. As much as some fans get hung up on the Captain check down BS it’s sometimes the most efficient and effective way to move the ball on ball hawkish defenses. Especially now with a home run hitter like RoJo. So yeah, use your check downs. If the defense is what it’s billed to be we should not be blown out of any game so there won’t be as much urgency to hit the homerun tight window shots that can result in turnovers. I’m not saying to not take shots but to be smart about your shots and don’t force it. If Jameis does that then I see us winning games at the end.
May 15th, 2018 at 1:03 pm
Well, the ONLY way Jameis will finish his 4th season with more career wins than losses is if we go 13-3 or better in 2018.
Anyone think this team is going 13-3? 14-2? I mean I’m optimistic, but not stupid.
That said, the W-L record can’t be put on one single player. So unless he completely chits the bed this year, he’ll get an extension / 2nd contract.
May 15th, 2018 at 1:14 pm
Get real people Winston isn’t going anywhere. Just think, where are the viable options now or in the immediate future. Who are you going to replace him with? No one can deny he is talented. So where are you going to get a QB with his potential? Your not. Wins and losses seem to be the big thing with many of the so called experts. In all fairness Winston doesn’t play Defense or running back for the bucs. His turnovers are a product of trying to do to much to win these games. He thinks he pretty much has to score every time he has the ball to win. He will hold the ball longer waiting for someone to get open which makes him vulnerable to the blind side hit which causes fumbles. Give him a running back the other team fears, throwing 30 to 40 times a game doesn’t happen. Thus fewer interceptions. It’s a team game every thing works together, defense and running game have to improve for Winston to improve, thus games will be won.
May 15th, 2018 at 1:20 pm
Win/loss on a quarterback??? Who is putting baseball stats into football?
May 15th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
I think some people on here are vastly overrating how much interest Jameis Winston would get on the open market. Seriously, how many quarterbacks who’ve hit unrestricted free agency were able to go to another team and be named the undisputed starting QB for the new team in recent years?
Only two I can think of are Drew Brees and Peyton Manning, and neither of those 2 had anywhere near the off field character concerns this guy has. You could include Glennon last year but we know the Bears immediately drafted a new QB afterwards. Likewise, McCarron went to Buffalo and they drafted their own QB short time later.
So for the people proclaiming that Winston will leave the Bucs and make them regret losing him, well ok but I’m not going to lose any sleep if he does goes elsewhere as I’ve yet to see from him the on field nor off field reliability needed in a franchise QB.
May 15th, 2018 at 2:04 pm
This is ridiculous nonsense. I don’t care who said it. The suspension is irrelevant. Because, and I know this will shock some half wits out there, ‘What’s out there?’ Some guy you pick at 13-18? And develop? Blow up the team cause your talented web putting up gaudy numbers isn’t winning?
That what the lions with with Staffird right? What the chargers did w Rivers? Gimme a break. These clowns don’t deserve my time
May 15th, 2018 at 2:18 pm
I just don’t see it… JW, has not been a stellar qb for us. He has games where he flashes and even more where I’m left with my face in my palms. Would the running game help? Sure… but does that negate the 15 fumbles? The countless overthrows and stupid passes that have a 33% chance of completion due to the receiver being double teamed. The defense excuse doesn’t explain that either. The argument where he’s trying to play catch up does not defend poor decision making or poor accuracy. I don’t question his ferocity not competitiveness. I question his talent. Imho, he’s just slightly better than Blake Bortles. Not worth the massive deal as of today
May 15th, 2018 at 3:04 pm
So much for Americas QB
May 15th, 2018 at 3:40 pm
It’s the only dinosaur in town.
Even Ira “I covered Ray Perkins with the Giants” has gone digital.
May 15th, 2018 at 5:11 pm
It really is this simple, show me the QB that won with the worst defense in the league, a bottom five running game and the worst kicker in the league. Until then please stop talking about wins and losses being on one person as he doesn’t run block, he doesn’t play defense and he doesn’t kick. Is he perfect no way, but you cant expect any QB to win with that garbage around him, but yet people want to blame him for us losing games. Fine get rid of him, but again who is going to win with the worst defense in football, barely any running game and the worst kicker in the game?
May 15th, 2018 at 5:17 pm
notabucsfan
Have you ever heard of the franchise tag? Well I guess you haven’t cause your pointless drivel about Jameis just leaving is made irrelevant by that. But then again you would have to be able to comprehend in order to know that.
May 15th, 2018 at 5:28 pm
stpete
at the end of the day, we both want the team to win games and make the playoffs….I could care less who’s coaching……
and your right, its do or die in 2018!!!!!!…..is it fair?…maybe…..maybe not…but licht and dirk were the ones who said “we’re close”…..not the fans…not the media….
time is up for this staff….win or go help realist find another skirt!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
May 15th, 2018 at 6:04 pm
Our defense gave up an average of 23.9 point per game, against some of the best offenses in the NFL last year. That’s not bad considering our QB accounted for 19 turn-overs last year (11 INT’s & 8 lost fumbles out of 15). 19!!!! How many of those were on our side of the field? The defense didn’t get any help from Mr. America’s Fumbling Turn-Over Machine
Minus defensive TD’s, our offense loaded with weapons for Winston averaged less than 20 point per game. Winston needs to learn how to throw with more consistent, on-time touch.. our receivers would have more YAC and we’d score more points.
May 15th, 2018 at 6:46 pm
Just trade him.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:00 pm
I will love to see if we trade him n get another quarter back. N we will still lose. Football is a team game. Not a quarter back game. Some of the people on this site just don’t know football. See the line backers first steps is forward to watch the running game. Every team we play the first step those line backers take or back peddle cause they know we can’t run the ball. N 7 steps drop back don’t help n easy to stop. But when you don’t know football then you can’t see that.
May 15th, 2018 at 7:34 pm
Joe
We do not know as of yet if this is a “fraud” investigation by the NFL.
However, it should have been wrapped up by now
May 15th, 2018 at 11:55 pm
Funny how most in the media see the obvious about jw3 but Joe thinks he’s so great. Dude is average, let’s face it we have more losses than wins with him . Hes underachieved thus far
May 16th, 2018 at 1:06 pm
If I was opposing CB, I would relish at playing against Jameis to get my interception numbers up!!
May 16th, 2018 at 1:09 pm
What good is Jameis with all those passing yards if he loves to turn over the football! Take an average QB that protects the baby and the Bucs easily have a winning season last year!!! Jameis is both great and Horrible! He is a hero and a zero! Like someone who is bipolar he can make you happy or miserable! Bucs move on from Jameis 1-2 years tops!
May 16th, 2018 at 1:20 pm
Jameis 18 intereceptions led to the conversion of 48 opposing points! In as many close games that we had last year those 48 points are the difference in winning and losing a half a dozen games. I wont even get into the 15 fumbles he had last year and leads the league with 25 fumbles since he arrived!!!
Carreer stats 2015-2018:
-44 INTERCEPTIONS
-30 FUMBLES
-77 Touchdowns
-74 Turnovers
YIKES!!!!