Overreacting On Jameis
May 28th, 2018
Compared with legendary QB.
Joe has written this but it bears repeating at times, especially when national scribes are sensing the same thing.
The sect of Bucs fans who want to run off America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, is simply out of line. That’s the gist of a piece typed by Jason Lisk of TheBigLead.com.
Lisk looked at quarterback projections for the 2018 season and thinks the loud Bucs fans who would rather see Ryan Fitzpatrick under center are out of their minds.
Yet, while the shine is off Winston (in our recent QB rankings, our group collectively had him outside the Top 20), I’m here to tell you that it seems to be an overreaction. Winston’s numbers do not belie a quarterback on a team that went 3-10 when he played. He set a career-high at 7.9 yards per attempt and had a decent 19 to 11 TD to INT ratio. Oh, and he also turned 24 in January, making him younger than Dak Prescott, Carson Wentz, Marcus Mariota, and less than 10 months older than Mitch Trubisky and Jared Goff.
So for Jameis, let’s ask this: what happens when a QB loses games while putting up good stats?
Well, Lisk answered his own question. He compared Jameis’ stats last year to other quarterbacks who had similar stats and seasons. Among the quarterbacks in that group are Boomer Esiason, Jeff George, Jim Kelly, Philip Rivers and Joe Montana.
Yeah, Joe Montana.
And who is one of the current quarterbacks Lisk compares Jameis to? Same guy Dirk Koetter compares Jameis to. Yep, that would be Aaron Rodgers.
May 28th, 2018 at 11:07 am
“America’s Quarterback”? not so much.
May 28th, 2018 at 11:08 am
Yawning…….
another media pundit spouting off stats again
There’s only one thing that matters the most and that is “does he win games when he’s needed most?”
…….and the answer is a resounding “NO”…….just like GMC
The Eagles won the Superbowl by a QB because he won games when he was needed the most
……that and a good defense
But you all get the point
May 28th, 2018 at 11:10 am
Once again good Qb on a bad team. I thought Jw bounced back real nice after being out. Something that this franchise never had in a Qb.
May 28th, 2018 at 11:17 am
Imagine he had a run game and a D last year…
May 28th, 2018 at 11:35 am
All together now…
Stats are for losers
#WALKTHEWALK #ONLYWINSMATTER
May 28th, 2018 at 11:37 am
The NFC will be a bloodbath this year, particularly the NFC south. With all of our roster upgrades, our division has upgraded as well. We need to win GAMES. Stats are for losers.
May 28th, 2018 at 11:52 am
BucAnthem: so glad you made the last comment proving how wrong you truly are about JW. If you recall, Wentz was not available for the games that mattered most for the Eagles last year, most notably the NFC championship game and the Super Bowl. Yep, that was Nick Fowls. Thus proving this is a team game and that the QB is but one important component of a successful team.
Stats absolutely matter. How else do you know that your defense is not getting the job done. Oh yeah, stats let us know. if your own a company and your sales are down but your not sure why how do find out. Oh yeah, stats!
In college, JW was lights out. Part of the reason was because he played on a great TEAM. Teams win NFL championships. Glad we can all be here to help you with this thing called life.
May 28th, 2018 at 12:14 pm
JabooBuc why you gotta do him like that 😅
May 28th, 2018 at 12:24 pm
“JabooBuc Says:
May 28th, 2018 at 11:52 am
BucAnthem: so glad you made the last comment proving how wrong you truly are about JW. If you recall, Wentz was not available for the games that mattered most for the Eagles last year, most notably the NFC championship game and the Super Bowl. Yep, that was Nick Fowls. Thus proving this is a team game and that the QB is but one important component of a successful team.
Stats absolutely matter. How else do you know that your defense is not getting the job done. Oh yeah, stats let us know. if your own a company and your sales are down but your not sure why how do find out. Oh yeah, stats!
In college, JW was lights out. Part of the reason was because he played on a great TEAM. Teams win NFL championships. Glad we can all be here to help you with this thing called life.”
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Okay……now it’s my turn to poke holes in your response:
1. Wentz didn’t guide his team thru the playoffs or win the SB………why bring his name up?
2. You compare “sales” to a sport……..two totally different animals
3. You compare college to the NFL……..once again, totally different
* Brad Johnson was an average QB but made the throws he had to…to win games…..that and a good defense (sounds like last year’s eagles)
* Sales stats and sports stats are totally unrelated in regards to winning
* Most college athletes do not make in the NFL
Listen…before you try to make a point… atleast put some coherent thought into it before you hit the “Submit Comment” button
May 28th, 2018 at 12:27 pm
It’s been a year or so since I’ve posted, but I’ve always read you guys comments. JabooBuc said something that I just couldn’t resist I had to post 👆🏿😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😭 that was on point!!!
May 28th, 2018 at 12:34 pm
Buc anthem
You are an idiot. Jameis gave the bucs at least 4 late leads with about 2-3 minutes left in the games when his team needed him most. The defense failed to close the game. Again it takes a team you butt hurt mariota lover.
May 28th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
* Brad Johnson was an average QB but made the throws he had to…to win games…..that and a good defense (sounds like last year’s eagles)
You made JabooBuc’s point TEAM WINS in the NFL. Hell Green Bay has had 2 hall of fame Qb in 20 plus years let me say that again 2 Hall of Fame QB’s. But only won 2 Super Bowls in those eras . Again Team wins championships. Man our fan base is idiotic at best.
May 28th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
BucAnthem: thank for once again making my point and once again proving you are a little slow. Brad Johnson only makes my point stronger. Nobody would ever say that Brad was a truly great QB. Hell, he had a hard time sniffing the starter role at FSU. However, while with the Bucs, he played with a great TEAM. Perhaps one of the best defenses in NFL history and a very solid cast in offense.
JW has had neither. Yes, he has solid talent at WR and TE now, but hard to take advantage of that with a weak OL and poor running game. Especially when you can’t stop anyone from scoring.
Brad was a great QB for that TEAM. I promise you he would struggle mightily with this team and I bet he would tell you that. Again, stats matter. 2002 Bucs- #1 ranked defense. 2017 Bucs- last ranked defense.
Keep trying though. You’ll eventually figure this thing out.
May 28th, 2018 at 12:38 pm
Also butt hurt mariota lover, jameis has had quite a few 4th quarter comeback wins in his career since he has been in the nfl proving he does show up when his team needs him the most ie the saints game last year. You would know this if you were not such a butt hurt mariota lover.
May 28th, 2018 at 12:54 pm
TheBucsAnthem, did Winston bring the Bucs from behind in multiple games last year, to take the lead? He did what it took to win.
The defense failed him.
That will be different this year, because Licht finally made the right moves to benefit defense.
May 28th, 2018 at 12:57 pm
Ryan Fitzpatrick….bad qB on a bad team. Was 2-1 as a starter last year.
May 28th, 2018 at 1:03 pm
He compared style of play to Rodgers so don’t twist words because their stats and accomplishments surely don’t compare
I like my quarterback to but comparing to quarterbacks from 2 decades ago is not flattering at all and makes him look worse. The game is too differentnow to be throwing out names like Boomer Esiason, Jeff George, Jim Kelly, Philip Rivers and Joe Montana. Stat geeks really need to be run out of town with nonsense like this. He’s a good quarterback but still the 4th best in his division so if your not comparing the guy to quarterbacks in his own era considering he’s only 24 then it’s garbage stats……nonsense
May 28th, 2018 at 1:07 pm
I like to be well sated after a Bucs win. Fitz doesn’t fill me up like a big bowl of grits.
May 28th, 2018 at 1:07 pm
Mike Glennon: 60.6%, 4,933 yards, 34 TDs, 20 INTs, Rating 83.2. Pretty sure he has not won a whole lot of games lately either. Winston 60.8%, 11,636, 69 TDs, 44 INTs, Rating 87.2. The numbers alone don’t say much, especially when comparing them to another QB. Sure, Winston’s passed for more yards, and has played more games. I’m pointing to more than stats. There is a leadership difference, an x factor here, that makes Winston better than Glennon…and others. Winston also has more weapons around him. Glennon doesn’t seem to have trouble find him off the field though like Winston does. Glennon doesn’t get so emotional he gets himself penalized or promotes activity that gets his teammates suspended. I’m not making a case for either QB here, and I sure am not saying MG is a better QB; just stating you can’t look at just stats–too many variables. Further, the issue isn’t so much Bucs fans wanting to run Winston out of town; it’s if he gets himself run out of town by the Bucs. Let’s hope the only off field story for Jameis in 2018 after Uber the thing is his new baby.
May 28th, 2018 at 1:11 pm
Bobby M- Fitz was definitely serviceable as a backup this past season. But, let’s not get carried away. He had the good fortune of playing the Jets and then the Dolphins in a game that Jay Cutler completely sh*t the bed. Again, stats matter.
May 28th, 2018 at 1:24 pm
BucAnthem: one more thing…you tend to make statements of opinion and then provide no facts to back it up. For example, you say sales and college football are not comparable to pro football but then provide no evidence.
Sales and/or college football are very comparable to pro football. All start with the basic goal of victory. All usually rely on a team approach consisting of support staff, teammates, coaching/management to achieve victory.
The only thing different about the NFL is the level. They are the best of the best. Other than that, I could make very good comparisons to Pop Warner football.
May 28th, 2018 at 1:24 pm
First of all let me get this out there. I like Jameis, I love Jameis. I want Jameis to succeed. But taking my rose colored glasses off for a moment and being brutally honest with myself I do see where Jameis’s poor ball security has put an already challenged defense into even worse situations at times. Yes our defense is bad but our defense has no bearing on our offense scoring. Yes our defense gave up tons of points to the enemy but Jameis with all his weapons on offense can’t seem to out perform our crappy defense. Too often we drive the ball between the twenties at will to give it back to our defense to stop the other team from scoring. Our defense should have no bearing on the way our offense performs. Our offense needs to finish drives with scores not turning it over to our defense to bailout the offense.
May 28th, 2018 at 1:28 pm
@ JabooBuc, Webster
You two are obviously ardent Jameis defenders or FSU homers……..I am neither
I’d gladly take any QB who makes the plays to wins games versus a QB who who has good stats but yet doesn’t know how to win games just like our DT GMC.
Why is it Jameis Defenders always bring up stats in his defense???
Why?
I’ll tell you why…..because Jameis simply doesn’t lead his team to wins
It’s no coincidence that during the season I say to myself as well as many other fans do… “Will we see the Brilliant Jameis or the bonehead Jameis today?”
………..there is no in-between either
Either he sucks or he doesn’t
He is 100% not consistent enough to guide his team to consistently to win
Say what you want….but that is who Jameis is now…..
Hopefully…..that will change this season
May 28th, 2018 at 1:44 pm
4200 yds 28td 16int 3rush td.
May 28th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
Actually,Rodgers and Jameis’ stats do compare. Joe has written several stories about this. Feel free to use Joe’s (free) archives.
May 28th, 2018 at 1:59 pm
BucAnthem: Simple test for you. Why don’t you bring up Kwon Alexander, Lavonte David, Brent Grimes, Mike Evans or Cameron Brate as poor leaders or losers? None of them have won anything at the NFL level but they always seem to be missing from your commentary.
Should we clean the entire house if they don’t win this year or are there any that you would say should stay?
May 28th, 2018 at 2:03 pm
Jameis seems to be developing chemistry with Godwin much like Rodgers had with Jordy Nelson,
So who’s going to play more, coaches? The receivers that produce or the receivers that are good decoys?
May 28th, 2018 at 2:25 pm
3 has intangibles that I love but until he gets his accuracy more consistent you have to put him between 18-22
May 28th, 2018 at 2:26 pm
Bucanthem
You are a butt hurt mariota lover simple as that. Of jameis 18 wins, 11 have been 4th qtr come backs. He could have about 7 or 8 more if the defense was just average. Again he does make clutch plays. Only butt hurt mariota lovers cant see that. I would rather have “rose colored” glasses than stevie wonders glasses butt hurt mariota idiot lover
May 28th, 2018 at 2:45 pm
Lol I love the experts on here that say “if he only had a running game and a good defense”
Nearly every QB in the league could be successful with that.
Put your team on your back and win it. He can’t. But it’s always someone else’s fault.
The coaches the running game the defense the o line this that and the other.
May 28th, 2018 at 2:47 pm
@JABOO – How about when the patriots were without Tom Brady and won three games with three different QB’s. Some people really are just dumb enough to over look the other aspects of the game, the combined effort of 11 guys on the field at once and they are stupid enough to ignore whats screaming….slapping them across the face.
Go back and look at Drew Brees’s record, Matt Ryans record when their defense was playing every game in the fetal position like the B us unit does with league worst secondaries….NOT GOOD!!!!!
May 28th, 2018 at 2:59 pm
The famous Jason Lisk….nuff said. Talk about reaching, I think I will listen more to what Mike Florio has to say. Never even heard of Jason Lisk in my life so not gonna take the word of a complete nobody.
May 28th, 2018 at 3:06 pm
Just dropped in to say thanks to SPBF, Altered Ego, Marine Buc, Jarhead and any other of my fellow brethren that served this country. RIP to the Friends I lost and to yours as well.
May 28th, 2018 at 3:07 pm
Webster .. no need for name calling because u could be the one sounding like an idiot .. Jamies has NOt been a good qb so far has been average qb with very good receivers.. As a season tkt holder i hope if he proves to be good with all the weapons given the team ..
May 28th, 2018 at 3:08 pm
Sweeptheleg: Really? Put the team on his back and win it? How many times do people on this site need to post the fact that he gave this team a lead with under 2-3 minutes left at least 4 times last year only to watch the defense fail?
By the way, I think we would be happy with an average defense rather than the worst. How about an average special teams? Is that too much to ask?
Nobody here thinks JW is perfect. He’s 23 and definitely has room for improvement. The point is, he has done enough to show he can win games in this league and is not the problem. He has shown that if he continues on this progression and they put pieces around him, then this team will be contenders for many years to come.
If you can’t see that, then there is likely nothing else that can be done to make you see the light.
May 28th, 2018 at 3:23 pm
Let me simplify this…
Anyone who in the above comments that doesn’t appreciate what Jameis has accomplished before he turned 24 and thinks the Bucs would be better without him is without question…
AN IGNORANT FOOTBALL FAN.
Period.
The problem with the Bucs last year centered on a terrible defense, a mediocre offensive line, and thus an anemic running game. Period.
I yelled from the beginning one mantra…
FIX THE TRENCHES, FIX THE BUCS
They did, for the most part.
Now close the ignorant, negative traps and simply watch (and hopefully learn) what our young, very good QB can deliver.
May 28th, 2018 at 3:24 pm
Only ignorant fans can’t understand what a good young QB Jameis is.
Pay them no attention whatsoever.
May 28th, 2018 at 3:28 pm
@ sweeptheleg
I guess mariota carried his team to the playoffs with 12 tds and 15 ints. It had nothing to do with their good defense and good run game. How about the rams? It was all goff. Jacksonville? The defense sucked and so did their running game. Bortles carried them. The super bowl champs? Their back up qb carried them because clearly their run game and defense was horrible and they did not have the best oline in football last year either. Maybe jameis should learn from brees when in 2014 – 2016 when the saints had the worst defense and a subpar running game they never made the playoffs. I guess brees doesnt know how to put a team on his back. I cant believe how dumb some of our fans are.
May 28th, 2018 at 3:33 pm
Jamies is going to win multiple Super Bowls
May 28th, 2018 at 3:34 pm
@ ben
Its really simple, if you dont want to be called an idiot, then do not say idiotic things. Its either you are an idiot or a butt hurt mariota lover. As for weapons, jameis had one season where he had many weapons and 3 of them were new. Thats why all of last off season the motto was weapons for winston. He has played very well for the lack of weapons he has had the majority of his career. Faliure to see that makes you either an idiot or a butt hurt mariota lover.
May 28th, 2018 at 3:48 pm
@buddy.. go root for another team. Jameis is an awesome QB and it pisses me off he doesn’t get more credit. Teams that draft night every year have bad teams .. this includes offense and defense ..
May 28th, 2018 at 4:07 pm
@bucanthem – wrong. .. he had us with many wins in last two season to watch the D give it away. Teams that pick early every year have bad teams not just bad qb play . Jameis is our least problem. I just hope the owners are smart enough to realize that . I agree wi s are most important but it needs to be important to the team and organization.. I’d keep Jameis and Koetter for awhile.. Smith has this year only to turn around D
May 28th, 2018 at 4:11 pm
It is amazing how many people don’t understand the game yet spend so much of their time commenting on it.
May 28th, 2018 at 4:27 pm
I still believe in Winston. I bet if he would have been our QB in Dungys years the Bucs would have a few Super Bowl wins and John Gruden wouldn’t have any. Comments?
May 28th, 2018 at 4:57 pm
Screw the haters!
Jameis Winston will lead this team to many exciting victories over the next dozen years – probably a Super Bowl or 2 as well.
Winston checks every single box on any team’s list when it comes to what you are looking for in a franchise Quarterback.
The team is losing games – yet after great and detailed analysis of Winston’s 3-10 season – the worst thing that coaches can realistically find to say about Winston’s game is that sometimes he “tries too hard” – well that alone should tell you what you need to know.
Dude is and always has been a stud QB. Put the right pieces around him and watch what a great Buccaneers QB Jameis Winston “becomes”…
May 28th, 2018 at 4:57 pm
erman Buc Says:
May 28th, 2018 at 11:17 am
Imagine he had a run game and a D last year
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An oline that didn’t get 2 out of 3 QBs hurt would have been nice too.
May 28th, 2018 at 5:02 pm
Copy and paste, Pickrin. Well said.
May 28th, 2018 at 5:09 pm
Jameis Glennon Freeman Mccown. None playoff qb.
Every year same excuses for Winston. He’s gonna get better ?? Umm no let’s get real he’s America’s turnover machine and has been since 2012.
May 28th, 2018 at 5:23 pm
LMAO … Joe chummed the water with yet another Jameis article & JBFers leap at the bait. You all do realize I hope that Joe’s at a BBQ right now downing a beer, waiting on his steak to finish cooking, and laughing his butt off at how predictable Bucs’ fans are. Much too easy.
May 28th, 2018 at 5:48 pm
Hypothetically add Peyton Manning in his prime and put him JW shoes we would be getting the same results. That how bad it was. Not even the great Brady in his prime could of fixed things
May 28th, 2018 at 6:15 pm
T.O. voice, “That’s my Quarterback”…
The only thing I want Winston to do is take better care of the football…Other than that I love every aspect of his game and his mentality….
May 28th, 2018 at 7:05 pm
We all have different opinions about Jameis Winston, but the key question will be: is he worth $30+ million per year? This might be what the Bucs ownership will need to pay in order to keep him in Tampa, and they (and the agents) will go back and forth about stats versus win-loss records, etc. This is a critical year for him. #GlazerLootIsTheBest
May 28th, 2018 at 7:38 pm
I really really can’t understand it. How many times do these guys want to start over? Duhhhhhhhhhh………………
May 28th, 2018 at 7:57 pm
JW3 is a decent QB that makes poor decisions more often than not
at the same time I feel His stats are padded because of constantly
playing from behind. Let’s get a decent D behind him then I/we can judge him. We have been close to getting over the hump yet never gotten over it
May 28th, 2018 at 8:39 pm
@SB
Thanks bro and I join you in wishing all of our Vets a great Memorial Day.
Mine was awesome. My son was down for a few days from Columbus.
May 28th, 2018 at 8:48 pm
We all have our favorite players. Mine are not necessarily based on being the very best I just like their style and the way they play.
I have about a half dozen favorite QB’s. Jameis tops my list but I really like Aaron Rodgers as well. I do not compare them though. Rodgers is much faster and a far smoother runner. Jameis however can also be very effective at running and escaping the pocket…he’s simply not as graceful as Rodgers…but slicker than Favre.
Bottom line for me is there is no comparison. Jameis is an original. You can hate him or love him but there really is only ONE Jameis. We get to find out this year just how good or bad that “original” is going to play the game.
May 28th, 2018 at 9:58 pm
AMEN Spbf! Hope you and your son had a Great time!
May 28th, 2018 at 10:31 pm
Golly..surprise surprise surprise as Gomer would say about the Bucs turnaround this year. Yep this is it, put up or shut up time. Opposing teams won’t know what hit them as the Bucs roll to a winning season. Jameis will go to the pro bowl with GMC and the fans will go positively bonkers. I’m serious as a heart attack. This year will be different giving Bucs fans plenty to cheer about.
May 28th, 2018 at 11:17 pm
Average NFL team in 2017 scored and gave up 347.5 pts. (21.7) per game
Bucs offense 335 = below average (20.9)
Bucs defense 382 = below average (23.8)
Even with all the turnovers and the minus QB sack stat 22-40 the offense was closer to league average than the defense was in scored and allowed points. It’s going to be as it usually is , turn the ball over less than your opponent and sack the QB more than your opponent.
May 29th, 2018 at 12:51 am
Team sport.
May 29th, 2018 at 9:42 am
Joe I thought it was really funny this weekend. I watched “A Football Life” about Dan Marino. I thought it was really interesting that when they talked about Marino dropping in the draft it was because of 2 things. I remembered the issue about drugs, which was a bad rumor. But I didn’t know that he was also known as a turn over machine in college. He said that was his fault for just trying to hard to win. He said that once he had thrown 3 interceptions he thought no big deal to then throw 5. He was fortunate to get to the Dolphins who were 27th with the pick as they had a good defense and WR’s in place when he came in. Also his perfect game would be to throw the ball 400 times. It was his leadership that the team mates looked up to him and his passion to win that they all respected.
All of this sounds familiar to Jameis. I am not saying that he is as good as Marino, but I am saying that he has a lot of the traits that Marino showed. Also they both want the ball in their hands when the game is on the line.
If the Bucs improved their Defense and seems like they have the WR’s in place, with the new RB and O-line changes we might have something special here. I think if you watched Jameis the 2013 year at FSU he didn’t have to win every game himself and he was lights out. His senior year Jimbo Fisher screwed up and went with Freshman over seniors with WR because he thought Jameis would make up for their lack of experience and almost did. But that was what caused his if I don’t do it no one will thought process and then all the mistakes happened. He also had a bad defense as well and we saw what those results were both 2014 and last year with the Bucs.
I think we need to just back off and let him play. He is getting married, so the off the field stuff should go away and we can just let him be a QB in the NFL. The kid can read a defense better than Mariotta, Goff and some others that are in the NFL. That is a talent that not many have. The ability to throw a guy open is also something that Glennon and others do not have. Prescott and Wentz have this as well.
In my small opinion we are going to see a better Jameis this year if he is allowed to play.
May 29th, 2018 at 6:04 pm
I was in favor of drafting Mariota; but I have to admit that I was wrong. Jameis was recently rated the number two NFL QB for accuracy in completing passes in small windows by Pro Football Focus. There is no doubt in my mind that Jameis would be recognized as an elite NFL QB if he had an Offensive Line like the Cowboys and a top defense like Philly used to dominate the Patriots in the Super Bowl and a RB like Cadillac Williams before his injuries. And I am not an FSU Fan either! He will have a better year this year as long as D. Smith shows great improvement this contract year for him in his pass blocking!!!