Never A Shot For Bradley Chubb?
May 1st, 2018
Early white flag?
It seems back before the combine, the Bucs may have given up hope of landing recently drafted defensive end Bradley Chubb.
In his post-draft presser, Licht was asked about not getting a defensive end in the draft and indirectly was asked about the Saints giving away a 2019 first round pick to trade up for DE Marcus Davenport.
“They’re hard to find,” Licht said of strong defensive ends in the draft. “The really, really good ones are hard to find just because if you need an edge-rusher, you can’t draft just anyone. You have to really like them and they have to be talented.
“We felt like we were ahead of the curve, knew what this draft was going to be like for edge rushers and how hard they were going to be to get. That’s why we pulled off the trade with JPP [Jason Pierre-Paul]. We feel good about what we gave up for him, considering what the draft was like.
“So, you have some guys giving up a future first [round pick] to move up and take one. I would consider the same thing if we were in that position. Luckily we felt like JPP was good for our team.”
Joe can only take that answer as Licht giving up hope of drafting Chubb probably while at the NFL combine in Indianapolis. Chubb went to Denver at No. 5, just two spots up from the Bucs’ original first round slot.
The Bucs landed JPP in late March, not quite a month after the combine. Licht has stated on record that negotiations with the Giants to obtain JPP had been ongoing for weeks.
So that tells Joe that Licht made up his mind on Chubb either at the combine or right around the combine.
May 1st, 2018 at 9:06 am
I understand that licht cant show his hand before the draft as other cannot either but man licht comes up with some stuff after things fall out a certain, way like last year with dalvin cook, if you wanted cook last year go get him, and know the bucs play to win but winning that game at end of the year was a horrible win, because things probably pan out differently in the draft this year, cant wait until september when we can see how this train is gonna go
May 1st, 2018 at 9:09 am
We could of had Chubb, Denver would of traded the pick for 2 #1’s, 2 #2’s. a #3 and a #4. lol
May 1st, 2018 at 9:09 am
Let me get out in front of the “we should have tanked the last game” losers……sure we would have picked at #5 but Cleveland should have also chosen Chubb……they would have had a shot at a great CB later in the draft.
I like how things turned out……we got Vea and 2 extra picks…..just imagine the draft with Vea, Jones & no third rounder.
We got lucky Cleveland made a mistake or we would have been sitting at 7 with little trade opportunity.
May 1st, 2018 at 9:11 am
“if you wanted cook last year go get him”
Most commenters I’ve seen on here seem to ignore the fact there were a lot of teams vying to trade up in the first pick or two of the second round of the 2017 draft, and the word was strong that Tampa was among them. We can only guess as to what the asking price was, but given Licht’s acumen in the draft I assume he didn’t want to give up multiple high level picks.
In other words, when people love to proclaim Licht should have gone up after Cook, 1) it appears he did try, and 2) you have to have a partner to trade with and agree on the price before it comes to fruition. I highly doubt Licht wasn’t interested in Cook.
May 1st, 2018 at 9:17 am
All we had to do was Tank that last game against the Saints. And at no5, Chubb would have been all ours. Pride can be a foolish thing. Chubb is a difference maker as all of you will soon see. But..lets move on. Hopefully we can end this BucLife..this upcoming season.
May 1st, 2018 at 9:18 am
It is always interesting to see those in the “now” of the draft drool and dream over the top can’t miss top prospects and to see the reality change in the three years of other players the go to good situations that work hard and develop!!!!!! Seeing those that cry over the usual top 10 prospects then ask three years later of how this team missed a later pick prospect!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 1st, 2018 at 9:34 am
Elway didn’t budge for the Bills when Chubb was still on the board. Had Licht tried to move up, Denver wouldn’t budge either unless Elway fleeced us.
May 1st, 2018 at 9:35 am
It seems to me that the really good GM’s are always looking at all the years. If you look next year is supposed to be the year of the DE/DT. I wouldn’t have traded next years 1 or 2’s for that reason alone. Sometimes you just can’t try to get everything in 1 year. I hope that the DE that the Saints drafted is a great one because he could have cost them 2 really good players in return. I personally think that Licht did a great job. I was one that wanted James, but his plan is so much better. With getting the DL working, he fixed 3 levels in 1 shot. Better DL makes the LB”s better and with the safety and corners we should have a much better Defense. Will it be an awesome defense no, but we don’t need an awesome defense, just one that will not allow 35 points 500 yards a game.
May 1st, 2018 at 9:36 am
If we didnt land JPP, it seems like we would have been trading up for Chubb. Personally I would have been very fine with that. if it could have been just next years 1st, then we would have had Chubb, Jones, and a third round corner, maybe traded up for Davis and that would have been it. obviously not as good as the haul we ended up getting but its a haul that would include a 10 year high caliber starter at DE. at some point we’re either gonna have to luck into one or sacrifice in order to get one.
May 1st, 2018 at 9:36 am
The way I see it Joe Vea gives Smith he chance to play with 4linemen up front which I’m hoping the addition of JPP and Vea is more than enough to cause pressure
May 1st, 2018 at 9:42 am
I would much rather have the draft haul we have now then have lost that game and ended up with just “Chubb and RoJo” until round 4. If these 2 corners are as good as I think they are, this draft haul might just go down as the greatest in Buc’s Franchise history.
Of course we have optimism every year, but this just feels different.
The time is now!!!
Let’s do this!!
May 1st, 2018 at 9:43 am
Josh Sweat over Cappa all day, Duke Ejiofor over Watson all day, Ade Aruna over Cichy all day, Licht has drafted more fullback (2), and the same amount of kickers compared to DEs (1 248 pounder) they all don’t need to be studs, draft and develop, DES take time, instead Licht keeps signing old 29+ DEs, which would be great if he had guys behind them, only guys behind them are UDFAs, JPP and Curry are 29, McCoy is 30, where are the next wave of linemen, I’m not sure exactly, but I think McCoy gets 13 mil, Curry 8 mil, and JPP 16 mil, 39 mil on 3 aging players, might be smart to use some draft capital on their replacements ASAP
May 1st, 2018 at 9:51 am
Reality_43
…and we might not have gotten RoJo. It may have cost us our 2nd round pick. Remember we only had one?
May 1st, 2018 at 9:54 am
Pressure on a QB starts inside-out. That’s what made the Bucs D of yore so effective- QBs rarely had the opportunity to climb the pocket. Marcus Jones had a career year with Sapp, Booger and even Culpepper doing their thing. I’m not discounting the value of DEs, not at all. Rice, for example, was the icing on the cake- but even his success was predicated on what was happening between the tackles. Vea is a value pick- he has the opportunity to make Gerald and the DEs better in the rush game, keep the LBs clean and fortify against a power running attack.
May 1st, 2018 at 9:54 am
@ Mike Johnson
Read my post at the very top….you fell right into the trap even though you were informed that even at #5 we wouldn’t have gotten Chubb if Cleve weren’t such fools…..
“FANS” QUIT HOPING FOR BUC LOSSES FOR HIGHER DRAFT PICKS
#Losing Culture
May 1st, 2018 at 9:58 am
Guzziep
…you only carry so many D lineman on your 53 man roster. That would have been dumb especially if any of those players weren’t “developed” at the beginning of the season. If you tried to stash them on our practice squad they would be open to pilfering by other teams.
May 1st, 2018 at 10:21 am
The final fallout/verdict of winning Week 17. Chubb was there at 5, as were the Bucs until Winston went on the drive of his professional career. Will VV and the 2 corners be better than Chubb? Only time will tell. Was Martin, Saggy Baker and Sweeezy Swindler better than C. Campbell last season? Not exactly…
May 1st, 2018 at 10:52 am
Wow I’m so tired of hearing “we should’ve lost that last game!” That’s the losing culture that is sinking this team and the losing culture Licht is trying to eradicate. Looks like it’s time for me to stop reading the comments section again
May 1st, 2018 at 10:55 am
“Looks like it’s time for me to stop reading the comments section again”…couldn’t agree more…consider your “bluff” called. It was a meaningless game. Did the win in Week 17 of the 2016 againt the Panthers have a carry over effect? Nope…not at all. Greater good long-term…
May 1st, 2018 at 11:26 am
The Saints loss moved the team from the fifth position. However, you can easily say there were games like the Bills and Panthers’ game the team should have won but didn’t. The team drafted right around the level they played at last season. Buccs fans are making too much out of the Saints game. I loved the heart we showed the last game and glad we won. We had a ton of players out that game as well, and still found a way to beat a Saints team that wanted to celebrate a division title on OUR field.
May 1st, 2018 at 11:33 am
I could care less about DE Chubb still there at #5. Not only is it over, but the meat of the draft was the late 1st, 2nd and early 3rd round. We added the top NT prospect, fast RB, 2 solid corners, a mauler OG, JPP, a WR to replace Djax, a tough SS and another depth/ST LB.
I see a lot of talent being added to the Bucs in comparison to having to roll the dice hoping DE Chubb would be there at #5/7. Or worse sacrificing a bunch of extra picks just to get him.
Licht did the smart thing and got a JPP, Unrien, Curry, Allen before the draft. That relieved the stress on depending on one Rookie DE Chubb to be the savior of the team….way too risky.
Adding all that talent to the DL will help lengthen the career and reduce the wear and tear of GMC, Curry, JPP, Allen, Stevie T, Spence, Double V and even Golston.
It’s a fantastic rotation and we added two additional 2nd round pick and a 3rd.
We added a Jensen, moved Marpet to OG and then drafted another OG that resembles Marpet.
Licht read the draft the same way that the patriots and other top teams read the draft.
RBs in the 2nd
CBs in the 2nd
SS/FS mid round
Door #1 = DE Chubb and 2nd round pick
Or
Door #2 = NT Vea, RB Jones, CB Stewart, CB Davis, and OG Cappa
Ill take door number 2 all day
May 1st, 2018 at 11:56 am
With all due respect…Chubb has done NOTHING but play well in the ACC.
Should have a good career….like 40% of the other first rounders he could bust.
May 1st, 2018 at 12:53 pm
Could have, Dewey. The words are COULD HAVE…
Dewey Selmon Says:
May 1st, 2018 at 9:09 am
We could of had Chubb, Denver would of
May 1st, 2018 at 1:18 pm
I wasn’t suggesting draft all 3, I was saying taking 1 DE over any of the other picks but doesn’t matter now anyways
May 1st, 2018 at 1:26 pm
Those who wanted us to lose on purpose are bandwagon fans. Don’t worry about them. They can find it in their hearts to root for the Saints against us but I never will. And how dare they tell me I should root for the Saints too.
The nerve of these fans. Get your bandwagon junk outta my face!! As it turned out we got a monster DT, then got three extra players by trading down. All because we won that last game. It’s almost like the bandwagoners softserved this argument to us and we shattered them with a booming spike.
May 1st, 2018 at 1:40 pm
I really like Rojo however, as I recall Harold Landry out of Boston college who was a good pass-rusher and in the eyes of many, maybe the best pass rusher in the draft, was there for our first second round pick. I was surprised that the Bucs didn’t select him; cornerback next then a running back. that seems like better value would have been obtained but, I won’t complain. I will support the players we drafted now because they are Buccaneers.
May 1st, 2018 at 1:55 pm
So none of you guys wanted to throw games in 2014 which, the Bucs clearly did, in order to pick Jameis 1st?
It is not a loser mentality. we are not Fairweather fans. the Saints win was harmful to our draft status in a LOST season. teams in professional sports tank all the time, for this reason. That is the purpose of the NBA’s ridiculous draft lottery.
It was nice beating the Saints but, it hurt us more than it hurt them!
May 1st, 2018 at 3:51 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says: …..just imagine the draft with Vea, Jones & no third rounder.”
we did get vea and jones cuz the two corners will be the 2nd coming of Myron lewis and ej biggers
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:25 am
Frankly, I am fine with missing out on Chubb by adding Vea, Stewart, Davis and 50 % of Cappa. You all want us to act like the Patsies – but if we do some fans start complaining.
I agree totally with Pa Privateer!