“Most Underrated Quarterback”
May 17th, 2018
Strong praise.
Lofty words were typed about America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston by a self-professed “math guy.”
These come from Chase Stuart, who runs the thoughtful yet sometimes tedious FootballPerspective.com. For a guy who admits hates writing, Stuart puts numbers into sharp analysis for folks like Joe to digest. To this day, Joe has a biting urge to punch a nun when it comes to math — truly a four-letter word.
Yeah, Stuart traffics in statistical gibberish sometimes, but if you can sift through the sorcery it’s pretty smart stuff.
In a nutshell, Stuart maintains Jameis was a good quarterback last year but was let down by a rotten team and Jameis is on the cusp of blowing up the NFL.
Winston is 24 (he’ll be 25 in January), so there’s still time for him to improve. But the writing is on the wall for him to have a much better record in 2018. He was probably the most underrated quarterback of 2017.
You can read all the important stuff by clicking the link above. For those who claim Jameis’ stats weren’t good enough, Stuart in so many words blamed Bucs coach Dirk Koetter for calling so many long, downfield passes. Stuart believes any quarterback who threw as many deep passes as Jameis would suffer statistically.
This brings Joe to a point he has made, and this is not really a knock on Koetter at all, just a curious observation. Koetter once said Jameis compares favorably to Aaron Rodgers. On face value, that seems to border on heresy. But consistently, stats back up Koetter’s claim. In some outside-the-pocket stats, Jameis is actually better than Rodgers.
So if Jameis compares to or is even better than Rodgers in some areas, why not craft an offense to closer mirror Rodgers’ offense to get the most out of Jameis?
May 17th, 2018 at 1:12 pm
It’s never been a question of whether Winston has the intangibles to be elite, it’s a question of when will he make that leap. Hopefully this season will be his true coming out party!
May 17th, 2018 at 1:17 pm
Good article, they made a lot of valid points and eluded to the fact that Winston’splay last season was good enough to
May 17th, 2018 at 1:19 pm
Sorry accidentally submitted earlier. Good article, they made a lot of valid points and eluded to the fact that Winston’s play last season was good enough to win on other teams.
May 17th, 2018 at 1:35 pm
I understand the angst with Koetter and play calling. With sticking by Doug which made us a one dimensional team.
But IMHO Koetter really respects Jameis and thinks he is a “special” talent. Everybody wants to play the comparision game so is Jameis Rodgers? Big Ben?
At the end of the day I think Koetter thinks Jameis is Jameis and is still trying to figure out the best offense to showcase #3…not some imaginary other QB like Rodgers or Big Ben. I think Koetter may believe Jameis is truly elite and DK is still searching for exactly the right offense.
This is DK’s year. He has the weapons in place now. If we develop a running game and can burn some clock for an improved defense…we’ll get the W’s. Koetter will figure out how to best use all these weapons. It’s a LOT to choose from. I think last year if he made a mistake it was writing off our running game and then trying to force too many deep balls to make DJAX worth his investment.
May 17th, 2018 at 1:42 pm
Just showed this article to co-workers (Beagle) Country, one choked on his lunch the other fell off his chair. Guess the Winston haters wont ever see how good he is. Yes he has done bone head plays some cause he feels he has to (NO supporting cast) other due to his overwhelming passion. I want a QB with passion. Not one going thru the motions. Hopefully with a better D-Fence and a better running game coach can dial up plays to Winston’s Strengths play action pass.
May 17th, 2018 at 1:44 pm
@ waterboy
Thats what i have been saying to all the butt hurt mariotta lovers on this site. They love to not let facts get in the way. They feel jameis should kick, rush the passer and block. They are all idiots. Everyone of the butt hurt mariotta lovers are idiots
May 17th, 2018 at 1:50 pm
If you judge QB winz, you’re a moron. #teamsport #21otherpositions #specialteamstoo #badteam
May 17th, 2018 at 1:51 pm
At the risk of repeating myself……Give Jameis a running game and an decent (average) defense and he will bring back a Championship.
Jameis Winston is a very good QB and we need to play to his strengths,…..they are shorter passes….screens, out patterns….
What Jameis can do to improve is to eat the ball a couple more times a game. He will live to succeed on the next play.
May 17th, 2018 at 1:57 pm
why does that picture make him look like he crapped his pants?
May 17th, 2018 at 2:05 pm
What’s crazy is that we were in so many unfavorable 3rd down conversions due to a lack of a run game; and he was still 2nd in the NFL at converting.
Lot of fun nuggets here:
“Tampa Bay had the worst defense in the NFL according to DVOA. And the Bucs had very bad special teams, including a disastrous kicking game. Finally, while Tampa Bay ranked 9th in pass DVOA, the Bucs ranked 25th in rush DVOA. The Bucs ranked 30th in rushing yards by running backs (1168) and 29th in rushing yards per carry by running backs (3.53).”
” NFL teams went 28-5 when their quarterback had a passer rating of at least 130, but Winston went 0-2 in those games.”
He also brings up 3 other games where Winston played great and the team sh1t the bed (Buffalo/New England/Green Bay). Basically if we had an average team last year in terms of defense; we’re more of a 9-10 win team in 2017.
Lol @ anyone looking solely at W:L record when it comes to evaluating QB play.
“If we look at just Yards per Attempt+, Winston had a Y/A+ Index of 118, more than one standard deviation above average. Since 1970, just three QBs have been one standard deviation above average in Y/A+ and also lost three times as many games as they won. All three were number one overall picks who played with horrible defenses.”
May 17th, 2018 at 2:13 pm
Once again, it’s coaching.
Why continue to try and tthrow the long ball plays when they aren’t working?
Answer: Stubborn Coaching.
I thought you were suppose to take what the defense gives you. Not repeatably force the same crap downfield over and over to no avail.
I thought you were suppose to put the team and players in the BEST position to win.
If the best position is to NOT continually force long throws, then get busy with the 3 step drops.
For crysake, we can all see this.
May 17th, 2018 at 2:20 pm
I don’t want to make excuses for Jameis but if there ever was a time to show his eliteness, now is the time. He’s had some pretty decent talent now for a couple of years. I get the fact we’ve had a stagnant running game but the defense has nothing to do with Jameis putting points on the board. When you average 21 points per game in two seasons that puts Winston and his Bucs in the middle of the pack. It’s not terrible but it’s not great either. Red zone scoring has been our achilles heel. For us to be in the upper echelon with the elite teams there has to a newfound emphasis on scoring more TD’s, than missing FG. Jameis has the talent and now’s the time to break out.
May 17th, 2018 at 2:33 pm
I love the numbers evaluation!!!! But it seems that he just read the numbers and stated the scenario that they appear as. The Bucs have a good passing game and not much else!!!!! But they better be good in the pass game as 3 out of the 4 top resources went to the pass game!!!! 1st round picks, WR,QB, and TE!!!!!!! That is the reason they can pass but the team around them is not very good!!!!!!!
Keep building!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!
May 17th, 2018 at 2:36 pm
The difference between Aaron Rodgers and Jamies is when Aaron throws those bombs downfield and they don’t get caught, you can bet there will be a flag on the ground for DPI in the Packers favor. Because Mike Evans has developed an unfortunate reputation his first few seasons for pushoffs, OPI, and arguing with the refs the Bucs don’t get any calls their way with DPI.
Just my observation. I’m not usually one to whine about the refs but the Packers get a ton of “free” plays with those deep passes and the ball being placed at the spot of the foul.
May 17th, 2018 at 2:45 pm
How about he just throws the ball accurately and on time for a change. Quit making excuses for fumbleitis. 19 turnovers last year alone, he didn’t do any favors for the defense.
May 17th, 2018 at 2:46 pm
This article should be titled “Most under-performing QB”
May 17th, 2018 at 2:57 pm
I could not possibly agree more.
I could not be happier to have Jameis Winston #3 as our QB,, and the future with him is very bright here in Tampa Bay.
May 17th, 2018 at 3:53 pm
Just stop, you are what your record says you are, that’s all that matters, JW is a 18-25 starting QB with room for improvement
May 17th, 2018 at 3:54 pm
@Ufour20, actually yes he did. 4 Games were lost by the defense on game winning drives by the the opposing team. Try harder to troll next time. Tyrod Taylor anyone. Or better yet, when Brett Hudely didn’t even have to pass the ball the last two drives to beat us. Or when swaggy jumped off sides in Carolina. Sure he has to improve the TO’s, no one is saying he doesn’t. But you anti Jameis fans are clueless on another level.
May 17th, 2018 at 3:59 pm
All the mariota trolls need to read this article. Wasn’t it a couple of weeks ago they tried to say check down mariota threw the ball as deep as Jameis? not even close and finally an article that proves that point. Not even in the same league.
May 17th, 2018 at 4:05 pm
Koetter plays it safe.
He plays not to lose.
Jameis plays to win.
Mistakes are inevitable either way,
People tend to be more successful when striving towards something rather than trying to prevent something,
In other words, not only does Jameis need to take that next step as a QB, Koetter also needs to take that next step as a coach.
May 17th, 2018 at 4:37 pm
Joe obviously didn’t read the article because that’s not what it said…part of the main reason Stuart noted Jameis could be under-rated is because of the deep passing game.
May 17th, 2018 at 5:13 pm
Let’s see. 3 seasons … 6-10, 9-7 & 5-11 comes out to 20-28. Reading this article & comments, almost anyone would come to the conclusions that (1) Jameis walks on water; (2) Bucs’ coaching sucks; and (3) players around Jameis (on defense AND offense) let him down. Jameis is blameless.
Sorry, not buying into it. Jameis’ improvising works great … between the 20’s. But it’s a prescription for disaster when he tries to pull the rabbit out of the hat at either end of the field. Defenses tighten up in both those situations, and that’s not the time to be ad-libbing. Go back & take a good look at WHERE Jameis turned the ball over. More times than not, it’s in locations on the field where (1) we were within scoring position (for at least a FG); or (2) he turned it over such that the best our defense could do was to hold the opposition to a FG. As much as I love having Jameis as our QB, I still have to agree with ufour20 … “Quit making excuses for fumbleitis.” Turnovers cost you games.
May 17th, 2018 at 5:24 pm
He’s right about Koetter trying to go deep every drive. So glad to hear Koetter not saying they need to make more “explosive plays” every two seconds like he was this time last year. They got DJax and thought he and Jameis would connect for a 50-yard TD every drive. Hopefully they will use the many weapons they have and use the best option to continue down field.
May 17th, 2018 at 6:08 pm
Well that settles it; J-miss does not have to Improve his accuracy; forcing the ball into double coverage; locking onto his intended receiver; eliminate the ass-passes or reduce his turnover rate. As Billy Joel would say, “I love you just the way you are”.
After looking at that analysis within the article it confirmed what we already knew: Case Keenum is a good quarterback! Why didn’t we try to sign him?
Yes, now I am trolling you Garnett & gold-blinded, jock-sniffers! You are too easy!
I don’t dispute the information as it is outlined in this article and if you are honest with yourselves, you can’t dispute my objective observations noted above. Jameis is good. He has to be better.
May 17th, 2018 at 7:17 pm
Winston is clearly one of the few bright spots on a cruddy team…let’s hope this roster overhaul clicks
May 17th, 2018 at 10:29 pm
JW had a way better season than Blake Bortles yet Bortles was the winner. JW > Bortles.
Cutler had better “stats” than Aikmen. I’ll take a great team over a great Qb anyday.
May 18th, 2018 at 8:19 am
Winston can easily be a top 10 quarterback if he would cut down on the stupid bone headed turnovers.
May 18th, 2018 at 11:01 am
PUNCH A NUN!!!!!!!!!! LOL. Love it, Joes.