Licht Dances Around New Jameis Question
May 2nd, 2018
Coaches and general managers across the NFL like to say how important spring and summer practices are to building chemistry, timing, knowledge and teamwork.
Therefore, logic says it is beneficial to know in April who your starting quarterback will be on opening day.
With that in mind, general manager Jason Licht was asked today about the September availability, or lack thereof, of Jameis Winston, as it relates to the 5 1/2-month old NFL investigation into the accusation that Jameis inappropriately touched an Uber driver in her crotch in 2016.
Licht wasn’t going there during his appearance on WDAE-AM 620.
Tom Krasniqi: You have to be frustrated and anxiously awaiting to hear what’s going on with Jameis Winston. And with the tough start to the season, is it imperative to know something about this so you can adequately prepare?
Jason Licht: Well, I can appreciate why you’re asking that question, but I really honestly don’t have an answer for you right now. And we’ll see how it goes. I know we have a tough start of the season, but one thing I can lay my head on the pillow at night knowing is that we have a lot more tough guys on our roster right now, too, that are resilient and that have been accountable. And that was the goal. We’re going to go in putting our best foot forward.
Joe’s unsure why Licht couldn’t answer a question about preparation, but that certainly was a typical response from Licht and Bucs officials when asked about any aspect of the Jameis investigation.
Dirk Koetter, Team Glazer, Jameis, Licht, nobody’s talking. And when they are, they’re saying nothing.
It’s not looking good for Jameis. The silence on the issue is disturbing, as is the apparent apathy from the NFL, and then there’s the matter of Jameis needing to avoid a league suspension for not reporting the accusation to the Bucs immediately.
Shame on the NFL if there’s no decision/agreement in place by the start of training camp in July.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:25 pm
yeah I heard that this morning….disconcerting is the word…
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:32 pm
Reasons we should have drafted Mariotta:
No college issues
No police issues
No professional issues
Mariotta took his team to the playoffs
Mariotta won a playoff game
Winston cant throw a deep ball
Sucks that we will be looking for another franchise QB in 3 to 4 years.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:33 pm
He better appeal so he’s there in New Orleans lol
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:33 pm
appeal in a worst case scenario that is..
Still hopeful / believe this shouldn’t even be a suspension
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:41 pm
LOL…appeal…to the folks that made the ruling…naive….of course I want this Uber thing to be tosses….the devil is in the details …hoping Jameis’s story does not have any contradiction because that is what will do him in…not the face value story of he said…. she said..and …well I am not going to speculate
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:43 pm
In the era of #me too, proof is no longer required, just the accusation. Damned shame.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:43 pm
For crying out loud, it’s not like the NFL is investigating the Kennedy Assassination. There is no good reason why this hasn’t been resolved one way or another.
I’m thinking Joe is correct and the best case scenario is he gets suspended one game.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:45 pm
Ed Chase:
If you can’t even spell the guy’s name then maybe you need to get off his jock.
Oh, and welcome to football–it’s a team game. Mariota didn’t win jack, but his team did–often in spite of him.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:45 pm
Joe is right. There needs to be a decision made before Training Camp. If it goes beyond TC the league is really dogging us.
I don’t think the preparation will be that bad. We got Fitz back there and he knows exactly how to step in and be ready to go. What we don’t want is the league to hit us with a suspension midway through TC because then we have to use the appeals to buy us the prep time needed. All that does is have this issue linger over our heads for about half the season.
Maybe the league likes the drama and likes to drag its feet on purpose to create more drama. I could see them doing some Shizz like that, while tearing apart a franchise with it.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:46 pm
Reasons we should have drafted Mariotta:
No college issues
No police issues
No professional issues
Mariotta took his team to the playoffs
Mariotta won a playoff game
Winston cant throw a deep ball
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No college national championship
Jameis has never been convicted of a crime
The Titans went to the playoffs in spite of Mariota’s poor performance last year
Mariotta won a playoff game because the Chiefs choked (as usual)
Opinion, not fact regarding the deep ball.
Sucks that you’ll have endure being a Buccaneers’ fan when we were contending and winning Super Bowls in the next decade.
Any more concerns?
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:47 pm
How disappointing
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:49 pm
Maroita might be raining the pine in a year or two if he don’t tighten up.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:49 pm
Riding**
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:51 pm
It’s not looking good for Jameis. The silence on the issue is disturbing, as is the apparent apathy from the NFL, and then there’s the matter of Jameis needing to avoid a league suspension for not reporting the accusation to the Bucs immediately.
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Joe, the incident occurred before the policy change that mandated players report any incidents to the league office. Winston didn’t tell his team, but Winston is grandfathered in with that policy. I dont see how Winston can get suspended on that basis even if he did the wrong thing by (allegedly) not telling the team until after it surfaced in the press.
The old conduct policy (linked in the story) mandated that teams educate players of the players’ “obligation” to report any accusation that, if true, would violate the conduct policy. If the Bucs did that, as they do for all rookies, then Jameis is in violation of the policy, or at least the spirit of the policy, which is likely all that Goodell will care about. In that scenario, Jameis would have to find a way to convince the league not to punish him for ignoring what he was told to do as it related to the conduct policy. Keep in mind Jameis personally met with Roger Goodell before he was drafted.–Joe
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:52 pm
Fitz starting the season would be the best thing for this team. perhaps go 5-1
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:52 pm
Your going to take up for Winston for how long ???????
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:52 pm
If, If, If and only IF Winston does in fact turn out to be America’s Crotchgrabber and was not honest with the Bucs about the incident then he should be released immediately
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:54 pm
“Jameis has never been convicted of a crime” thanks for the laugh my man…that was good. and OJ was innocent.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:55 pm
Shame on US if we are caught flat footed for the second year in a row with a suspended player and no plan B.
May 2nd, 2018 at 4:56 pm
who said we should have drafted a QB…..yeah, that would be me. I am always on point
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:01 pm
Robert, you’re a special kind of stupid. What crime has Jameis been convicted of?
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:04 pm
Jameis has never even been arrested or charged with a crime, let alone convicted of one … as for Mariota … if he has another year with a passer rating in the 70s and throws more INTs than TDs, he will be backing up LUKE FALK in 2019 and will be nothing more than the new Geno Smith …
As for this Jameis “investigation” … it’s a nothing burger imho
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:04 pm
My gut feeling: nobody’s talking about it because there’s not much to this story, the accuser does not seem to be pursuing the case aggressively, and it’s likely to go away. Of course I could be wrong, but until there is news that gives me cause to be concerned, I will remain unconcerned
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:05 pm
Fitz starting the season is a horrible thought….he is old and stiff and one game ejection for illegal hit away from IR ,the other team wins, and the Bucs fast forwarding to 2 May 2019……I hope the FO has a better QB plan than Fitz….and if Jameis has to sit that opens up a whole other…..I am not going there….pain…painful thoughts
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:06 pm
Roger Goodell’s info. (NFL commissioner)
email address: Roger Goodell
(Roger.Goodell2@nfl.net)
Telephone #: 1-212-450-2000 or (212) 450-2027(this one got through!!!)
Found this online. Not sure if its accurate but we could certainly make known our thoughts on the NFL dragging their feet on this if it is.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:06 pm
Arizona said we could have Glennon for the following
next years first
the year after first
and next years 2nd.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:07 pm
Before someone complains my last post is what is called humor
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:10 pm
I just love when people make excuses why Mariota has had success. Oh it wasn’t because of him, it was in spite of him and other reasons. When it comes to Winston it’s not because of Winston but everybody else’s fault. Good grief be honest with yourselves, Winston has had too many red flags to ignore the fact he can be his own worst enemy, and this will always have him trailing Mariota. It’s not Mariota’s fault and it’s not the fan that see’s it for what it really is. Mariota is squeaky clean and represents the Titans without the constant baggage. Winston is our QB, and nothing can change that now but the fact is he is high maintenance, and a little immature. We need to get passed this somehow and hope Winston develops into that once in a lifetime franchise QB.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:17 pm
“hmm, I never post on here, but wait… an opportunity to post anti-Jameis BS? Can’t pass that up!”
– Ed Chase
And Robert, you obviously have an agenda. Probably not even a Buc fan, and that’s fine, but stop masquerading as such and go buh-bye.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:19 pm
Ed Chase couldn’t have said it better. Licht drafted the wrong QB. It was incumbent upon JW to inform the Bucs when it happened and he didn’t. Speaks volumes of his lack of maturity and character.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:21 pm
“Shame on the NFL”??? Put the shame where it belongs…..right on Jameis’ shoulders.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:22 pm
So what if Jameis is suspended for the 1st game? More..Excuses? Plug in Fitz and get her done.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:24 pm
to my knowledge, since Darby refuted the accuser’s story, there’s been no activity in this case, except in the media. Please inform me if i’m mistaken.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:26 pm
if Winston has to sit, get it out the way asap…..coaches have plenty of time to game plan for this situation…..cant get caught with our pants down…..
NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:27 pm
because I don’t like the QB the drafted, who as underperformed and over talked……yeah, thats why I am not a fan… lol
sorry brah, when there’s tapes of it, and they go missing, the team covers up, someone is a thief as grown a$$ man……
yeah, I don’t support that. it’s called morals.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:32 pm
Johnny there is a double secret investigation going on.
BrianBucs unless there is a video Winston will continue to deny, releasing a player solely on an accusation (even if found guilty) will never happen. You think Winston is going to just find Jesus and confess?
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:33 pm
SMH….YAWN…Pathetic…a bunch of bull💩!
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:36 pm
The end of the investigation will show he did nothing!
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:36 pm
People here would like to think Jameis Winston will be the Buccaneers starting QB for a long time. But if this team goes under .500 for the 2018 season (very possible especially when Cam Newton/Drew Brees/Matt Ryan are the other NFC South starting QBs), Jason Licht and Dirk Koetter will both be GONE.
And guess what happens then: A new regime with no ties to Jameis Winston. Pretty sure his 5th year contract option is guaranteed for injury only. A top 10 or even top 5 draft pick in 2019 and Winston’s days in Tampa may well be numbered, especially if the suspension goes through.
I’m already looking up the potential 2019 QB draft class, and I’m seeing names like Nick Fitzgerald, Justice Hansen, Shea Patterson, Ryan Finley, Clayton Thorson, and Mark Rypien’s nephew. I’ll be watching these guys during the fall to see if the next potential Buccaneers starting QB is there for us.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:39 pm
If we don’t straighten out our defense, it won’t matter if Jameis is there or not.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:39 pm
Jamies Winston is my hero!!!
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:40 pm
And I knew it from his first preseason game!!! My favorite Winston moment to date.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:48 pm
There is no evidence!!!!!! No Police report!!!!! No Arrests!!!!!!! What a joke
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:48 pm
The NFL owes Jameis nothing…..if he didn’t want this mess, he should have avoided it by reporting. The real shame should be directed at Winston’s team, somebody on that team of advisors should have had the professional sense to get waaaaay ahead of this. The Bucs literally could have made this go away had they known about it.
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:51 pm
Bobby M if he didn’t do it what is there to report? Hey Bucs management I took a normal uber ride?
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:52 pm
Joe, the incident occurred before the policy change that mandated players report any incidents to the league office. Winston didn’t tell his team, but Winston is grandfathered in with that policy. I dont see how Winston can get suspended
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Ps. Now this article is official reporting. Like 👍🏽
DB55 – You and Joe personally discussed this. Did you forget? The old policy mandated that teams educate players of the players’ “obligation” to report. If the Bucs did that, as they do with all rookies, then Jameis is in violation of the policy, or at least the spirit of the policy, which is likely all that Goodell will care about.. It’s not that difficult. –Joe
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:53 pm
Mariota has been rated higher every year then Winston even with all his weapons by the nfl qb ratings .You can say its a joke but I think the nfl may disagree
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:53 pm
Wait until you have someone falsely accuse you, then you will know what it feels like
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:54 pm
America’s Crotchgrabber and was not honest with the Bucs about the incident then he should be released immediately
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$5 says he doesn’t feel the same way about the orange guy who has 29 allegations and a taped admission. # M A G A
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:00 pm
What do you want Licht to say?
When he knows something, we all will
In the meantime, if Jameis can’t play, then it’ll be treated like an injured player- next man up
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:04 pm
Shakespeare must’ve been thinking about the media when he penned ‘Much Ado About Nothing’ (and yes, it was a comedy). Krasniqi asks Licht “Anything new on the Jameis investigation?” Licht answers “No.”
Why isn’t that the end of the non-story? Nope, instead it’s “Dirk Koetter, Team Glazer, Jameis, Licht, nobody’s talking. And when they are, they’re saying nothing.” Maybe they’re saying nothing because they know nothing more today than they did the last time the media asked the same question. Next …
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:05 pm
Robert Says:
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:27 pm
because I don’t like the QB the drafted, who as underperformed and over talked……yeah, thats why I am not a fan… lol
sorry brah, when there’s tapes of it, and they go missing, the team covers up, someone is a thief as grown a$$ man……
yeah, I don’t support that. it’s called morals
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Excuse me sir but what in the world are you talking about?
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:09 pm
One of the “Rights,” we are guaranteed as Americans is the “Right to a speedy trial.” Whether Jameis is guilty or not, he deserves to know his fate, his fellow players deserves to no his fate, his coaches need to know his fate, the owners must know his fate, and finally the fans who basically cover the check for this whole mess, need to know. The way the NFL is handling this is an abortion of justice and IMO Jameis should be able to counter sue the league for a basic violation of his “Rights.”
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:09 pm
He would not comment because he’s smart enough not to risk ticking off Goodell.
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:14 pm
I think what they are doing is smart because this could go either so why antagonize the NFL by complaining just so the media has something to write about. It’s fishy to you because you want it to be and some times thinking logically isn’t in the best interest of your bottom line if you get what I’m saying. I hope they say nothing at all until the verdict comes out then you can blast the commissioner all season
First of all, if you’re talking to Joe, you’re incorrect. You think Jameis getting suspended helps JoeBucsFan.com? If so, you’ve lost your mind. Jameis getting suspended will turn off a large percentage of fans and likely lead to losses. Those are two things that hurt Joe’s business. Second, Joe doesn’t want Jameis to be suspended. Joe would, however, like a quick resolution because that’s good for everyone involved, fans, Bucs players, coaches, etc. Third, Joe’s not going to ignore any Bucs news, notes or nugget that Joe finds interesting. That’s how this place works. –Joe
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:19 pm
Why is this looking bad for Jameis?
Everyone in the Bucs organization is being extremely wise:
Say nothing to draw the ire or attention of the league.
Remember, the entire process is completely arbitrary as to both whether there is a suspension and if so, for how long. Completely arbitrary and at the mercy of the whims of the league’s office.
Look at what happened to the Cowboy’s and Zeke last year when they ran their mouth every day about the case and about how Zeke would not be getting suspended, that he is innocent, blah, blah.
How did all of that candor work for them?
Stay smart and stay silent.
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:26 pm
We should have drafted Rosen
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:40 pm
From grabbing crabs to grabbing crotch- is that an upgrade?
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:40 pm
Robert,
Did you use to post on this site with a 9 after your name?
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:47 pm
Why haven’t ESPN talked about it or fox sports or sports talk shows said anything about this investigation? The only time I here about it it’s on this site I live in Houston I watch n listen to all sports talks radio and no one says anything about it but on this site. That’s why I think he will be playing week 1. I could be wrong…….
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:48 pm
I get a kick out of reading all these trolls posts saying “shoulda drafted Mariota”…you clowns amaze me!!! Winston’s skill set & knowledge of reading defenses blows Mariota away. All Jameis needs is a reasonable run game and an AVERAGE defense. Watch the numbers he puts up then and I’m sure we’ll make the playoffs. And yeah, I also agree that 1 more pathetic year of QB play by Mariota, he’ll be gone! Titans will have a new QB in place!!
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:49 pm
ben Says:
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:53 pm
Mariota has been rated higher every year then Winston even with all his weapons by the nfl qb ratings .You can say its a joke but I think the nfl may disagree
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I rest my case that Mariota supporters have no idea what they’re talking about.
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:52 pm
Even if JW is suspended for 6 games he will still have The same amount of missed games as MM. Marriota has missed 6 full games due to injury. And he can’t throw the deep ball either. Also Mariota doesn’t own the records JW does.
May 2nd, 2018 at 6:54 pm
Ben:
Everything you just typed is demonstrably false.
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:07 pm
Jameis not reporting his Uber account had been suspended to the NFL is going to get him suspended for the first four games cus of this dumbass rule. I’m glad Fitz is our back up though. And I like the kid from Arkansas, also. I hope he makes it as #3.
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:09 pm
Ed chase….move to New England where you belong
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:09 pm
AlteredEgo Says:
May 2nd, 2018 at 5:05 pm
Fitz starting the season is a horrible thought….he is old and stiff and one game ejection for illegal hit away from IR ,the other team wins, and the Bucs fast forwarding to 2 May 2019……I hope the FO has a better QB plan than Fitz….and if Jameis has to sit that opens up a whole other…..I am not going there….pain…painful thoughts
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Fitz 2 and 1 last yr, Jameis 3 and 10
Just sayin’
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:11 pm
Bet he lied about Darby being there to try to avoid punishment. The old “our word against HERS” routine. If this ends up being true, he lost all of my respect. I know we won’t cut him regardless.
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:12 pm
Really? Time out for adding lines to a previous comment?
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:13 pm
Totally agree DB55!
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:13 pm
@Walter, If he lied about Darby being there then he and Darby are Both Phucked!
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:19 pm
Didn’t Darby come out on his own and say he was in the Uber with Winston and another person? That is how I remember it. I don’t think it was Winston who said that Darby was in the car.
And as far as I know, no one knows who the third person is yet.
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:25 pm
Yeah Dave…….If that third person never materializes then what do we think?
I am totally a Winston supporter despite being a life long G-a-t-r..
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:27 pm
Dave Pair the 3rd person was the bad Jameis
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:33 pm
Dave Pare … what wax Jameis rapping on the cafeteria table top….? At FSU that ushered him into the NFL
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:37 pm
This just in:
Jameis Winston has been suspended for the entire 2018 season. When asked, Roger Goodell stated ” What the hell, he’s a Buc…who cares” and “Furthermore, why should the NFL waste it’s time and money on an investigation…..he’s been accused before, that’s good enough for me”
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:47 pm
^^^^ Lol ^^^^ Good one TBBF
May 2nd, 2018 at 7:51 pm
Cognitive dissonance happens
May 2nd, 2018 at 8:13 pm
I live in Vegas and some ppl are right on here….. I never hear anything about this. Its like it doesn’t even exist. Maybe small market team? Cuz Elliot transgressions were everywhere in the Sports world. Jerry Jones also went mental on the NFL.
NFL had it’s employees accuse of some worse things ( although not measurable) so maybe NFL will be careful how they handles this
May 2nd, 2018 at 8:22 pm
The NFL is not a court of law. Goodell, thanks to a collective bargaining agreement with the players association, is the judge, jury and executioner. Goodell does not have to prove Jameis is guilty.
May 2nd, 2018 at 8:49 pm
Joe
I thought of this. Do you think that if someone tell it all it might be held against them in the court of law? It might go into court and whoever says something might be subpoena?
May 2nd, 2018 at 9:07 pm
If Goodell was to check in on this site he may be forced to suspend Jameis. It’s a non story across every media outlet in the country, and the only place I ever hear anything about it is here. With all the love given to Jameis pre drafting him, this is confusing to me that this site is coming off as an instigator for a suspension. As fans we ask that you Joe’s just leave it alone please until there is actual news on this. I mean, is this a Bucs fan site or is it a Saints fans site masked as a Bucs site? Let it go please! Just leave it alone for a while and the story might be completely dead. This is the only place it actually has any life at all..
May 2nd, 2018 at 9:09 pm
Same people saying they dont like Winston because he has baggage are the same people crying because GMC is to nice.
IDC suspend my QB for 6 games and get it over with. He is still my QB because he is awesome considering AS A BUCS FAN he is the best I have ever seen.
Who cares if he grabbed her crotch. She probably liked it but got pissed when they only tipped her 100 dollars.
Seriously, she is not hurting for anything other than 💰. Thats why she drives for Uber vs a legit Taxi service.
May 2nd, 2018 at 9:31 pm
This isn’t hard at all. If Jameis is found to have lied about the dudes in the car, he’s done as a Buc.
May 2nd, 2018 at 9:41 pm
Meanwhile, there will be a few not-too-old non-starter QBs with starting experience come available in pre-season that can be picked up…to back up Fitz. I hope Jameis came clean with the NFL on this. And you are either Jameis himself or Roger Goodell pretending to post here if you claim to know anything at all. Best case I think is he didn’t report, and he gets just one game. Worst case is he is found to have lied about number in the car, putting him in the front seat for the ride, making his denial harder to believe. No hard evidence needed. So here he’d get six games suspended…AND the Bucs would move on from his option year AND from JW3 in general. I hope like heck he told the truth and there were three dudes in the car. Been saying this since November.
May 2nd, 2018 at 9:42 pm
i agree with Chris K
May 2nd, 2018 at 9:44 pm
Yawn
May 2nd, 2018 at 9:44 pm
@JAB83 “Who cares if he grabbed her crotch.” and “She probably liked it but got pissed when they only tipped her 100 dollars.”
Wow, what a dirtbag.
May 2nd, 2018 at 10:03 pm
Look for Goodell to announce the Winston decision on Friday August 10th, 2018.
Mark down that date.
Call me Nostradamus.
May 2nd, 2018 at 10:04 pm
Yeah I agree she is a dirtbag. Why didnt she call the cops and why didnt uber do the same….
Dirtbags indeed.
I dont care if grabbed her crotch. Thats what we humans do. She liked it or she would have made it known loud and clear from the get go. OR SHE IS BEING COACHED UP/USED FOR AN AGENDA…
IDC what the situation was. I care about what it is… And what it is we will never know. So WHO CARES???
Croch grabbing… Please… Its a shame we even are talking about this 2 years after it happened!!!!
May 2nd, 2018 at 10:15 pm
OJ was found not guilty. Let it go. Rest peace to both victims in all sincerity. They’re both in heaven chilling right now. Jameis could be the best QB this franchise has ever had. Which isn’t saying much. But still.
May 2nd, 2018 at 10:25 pm
Rather then continually posting we should have taken Mariota, wouldn’t it just be easier for some to become Titan fans?
May 2nd, 2018 at 10:30 pm
Some moron claiming to be a life long bucs fan just told me he would rather have Trent Dilfer or Jeff Garcia over Winston. Lmao bucs fans are a joke
May 2nd, 2018 at 10:54 pm
I don’t know who Mariotta is, but as per Pro-Football-Reference.com, last year, Jameis Winston bested Mariota in every single statistical category for a QB.. in less games played.
So, at least come with facts next time.
May 2nd, 2018 at 11:00 pm
Joe is aTrolling Tard Jameis haters…lmao!! Make that money, joe..hehehehehehe..Jameis won’t be suspended
May 2nd, 2018 at 11:04 pm
America’s turnover machine is a true franchise quarterback… the problem is his inability to be forthcoming and honest, as the face of our Buc franchise should be, will probably cost him a six game suspension and hurt his team tremendously. All the human ATM apologists will rant and rave how he is the best thing to ever happen to this team but here were are debating about whether his dumb a$$ is even going to be on the field because he “kept his little incident” a secret. Nice job Jameis. What a team player. Give me a break people. Just because he can run and throw doesn’t give him or his friends a free pass to do whatever the hell they want to. Man up. Own what you did, serve the suspension and don’t do anything stupid to embarrass yourself or your team again. Go Bucs! Hopefully Fitz can step in with our improved defensive line and pass rush along with a breakaway speed RB and win some games without Jameis.
May 2nd, 2018 at 11:08 pm
DB55 – You and Joe personally discussed this. Did you forget? The old policy mandated that teams educate players of the players’ “obligation” to report. If the Bucs did that, as they do with all rookies, then Jameis is in violation of the policy, or at least the spirit of the policy, which is likely all that Goodell will care about.. It’s not that difficult. –Joe
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First of all, I had a great time! Great party and even better company.
Where you and I disagree is the policy. The way I understand it the burden falls on the team not the player. It’s a fair debate imo. You may very well be right though, I hope not but it’s possible.
I’ll read the policy again but as for this rookie symposium argument its shaky at best. I’ve attended orientation at rjs and I won’t exactly say it was thorough but wtfdik amirite?
May 2nd, 2018 at 11:09 pm
To make that claim, one would have to ignore both facts and recent history. Is there a chance he won’t be suspended? Sure. But Joe isn’t laying cash on that.
May 2nd, 2018 at 11:20 pm
I’d take Garcia in his prime over Winston. Garcia took teams to playoff games….Winston not so much. His claim to fame is stats from two years ago and one barely winning season while the other two where dreadful. If we do well this year its because defense. With a loaded team all he could do was go 3-10. Franchise Qb? I don’t think it will happen. Leftwich started out nice then slowly faded like I believe Jameis is doing now. When the most notable things a person is known for is being accused of rape, stealing crab legs, grabbing another girl’s crotch, saying on video to grab a girls crotch, and eating W’s. That’s pretty sad indeed for a #1 overall pick. We should be celebrating playoffs wins from the self professed most NFL ready quarterback instead we picked 7th in our last draft.
Before some Semen hole says he threw for 4000 yards before, almost half the league threw for 4000 or more so not that impressive considering the league is pass dominant. Its similar to how 1000 yards was the gold standard for running backs, now it’s no big deal.
I agree we should have drafted Rosen or L Jackson who I think will take the league by storm when he gets his chance. In the meantime I will keep my fingers crossed.
May 2nd, 2018 at 11:39 pm
Just watched Black Panther, great movie!
What are we talking about, again?
May 2nd, 2018 at 11:56 pm
Joe, one thing you may be leaving out of your equation: Roger Goodell’s personal thoughts about this particular case. You seem to be convinced he’s gonna handle it exactly as he did the Zeke Elliott case. But as you say, Goodell is empowered by the CBA to be judge, jury and executioner. A judge may have wide latitude in regards to how he or she deals with an individual case. Goodell may feel there are differences in this case and Zeke’s case, or perhaps in jameis’ response to this case. Yes i know his failure to report the event in a timely fashion is central to your theory, but perhaps he’s been co-operative and forthcoming subsequent to the affair being made public. // Or, Goodell may just arbitrarily decide to handle this case differently from the Zeke case for any other reason, including his or the other NFL owners feelings about these cases, or their feelings about the ownership and management of the two franchises. Lots of folks dont seem to like jerry jones, perhaps that figures into this. I dont wanna be disagreeable, but it just seems like there is no enthusiasm on anybody’s part to pursue this case. just my 2 cents, no disrespect intended.
May 3rd, 2018 at 12:24 am
Joe Says:
“Goodell… is the judge, jury and executioner. Goodell does not have to prove Jameis is guilty”
Technically true – but what you are not considering is that Jameis still has the right to sue Goodell and the NFL if he is suspended without evidence of wrongdoing – which could potentially put Goodell’s Kinglike status at risk. Not to mention all the negative publicity such a case would bring to the league and its commissioner.
Joe continues to infer that Jameis likely WILL be suspended. Why? – I have no idea…
I say no way does Winston get suspended unless there is some actual evidence that he did what was (TMZ style) alleged.
May 3rd, 2018 at 12:46 am
It is taking so long because there were three black men in the car. She only remembered one being there? One of them has come forward and said Winston was in backseat with him. No one has said who the 3rd person was and no leaks. That is why this is taking so long. A white girl with three black men in the car…Winston is the only name she is going to remember. I went to FSU and have lots of friends and family there. They told me half they FSU stories were BS. The shoplifting one the worse….new manger did not know the gifts to FSU players. We will see….hoping for the best and be done with it!
May 3rd, 2018 at 12:55 am
Vegas should have a line on whether Jameis will get suspended and for how many games … my guess is it would be even odds he isn’t suspended at all and that one would win money if they bet on him being suspended, even for one game.
I think it’s more likely Jameis won’t be suspended at all, than that he will be suspended.
Facts and recent history do NOT point to Jameis being suspended, so I’m not sure why Joe believes they do … Jameis’ case is nothing like the Zeke case.
May 3rd, 2018 at 12:59 am
DB55,
JW didn’t inform the team either.
There is one point that I don’t believe anyone, including JBF, has mentioned.
There’s a catch all phrase in the collective bargaining agreement that basically states, if you do anything to hurt the shields imagine you are subject to disciplinary action. If you want to go and find the exact words not yourself out.
But the bottom line is it gives Goodell far wider range in disciplinary action than you think. Also, it virtually eliminates the idea that a technicality will exonerate JW.
May 3rd, 2018 at 1:02 am
Knock
May 3rd, 2018 at 3:33 am
Weird to see all the Mariota-fans here again.
But all of you hollering for him by pointing out he was in the playoffs: Don’t forget he would have played in the NFC South aka the toughest division of pro football.
I highly hope you’re at least that honest that you don’t try to convince anybody here that MM might be better than Brees, Ryan or Newton to take our (or at least my) beloved Bucs to the promised land.
So, please stop trolling!
May 3rd, 2018 at 4:00 am
By the way: For me as native German living in Germany, it remains a mystery how different moral standards are for presidents and QBs.
May 3rd, 2018 at 5:24 am
German Buc just nailed it.
May 3rd, 2018 at 5:35 am
Stanglassman, bucfamous, celly,
Here’s where Ben is right…
– Pro Football Reference
#21 mariota
#22 Winston
– Pro Football Focus
#13 mariota
#15 Winston
– ESPN
#13 mariota
#18 Winston
– Business Insider
#15 mariota
#18 Winston
– Athlon Sports
#17 mariota
#19 Winston
Gentlemen, you can argue all day about the validity of the rankings. What you can’t argue is that Mariota is rated above Winston in more than a few rankings.
He is, get over it.
Now before you place me among the vermin who wanted mariota over Winston, let it be known that I would have disavowed the team if they had chosen mariota.
I don’t like him, never in a million years would choose mariota over Winston.
If that’s what you you were thinking, I like mariota, then it’s probably hard to understand why I would post something that is perceived by a few as pro mariota. It’s simple, I don’t give two spits what the rankings are or who is ahead.
I care about who is the better QB for this team. That, IMO is JW. If mariota is ahead of JW in some rankings, I’m not going to pretend it doesn’t exist, it does and so what. My issue is that you guys and a few others pretend it doesn’t exist which means that you can’t defend your perspective with inconvenient facts so you pretend they don’t exist. They do and acknowledging that fact doesn’t make you any less of a buc fan or JW fan, it simply means that you are informed.
May 3rd, 2018 at 6:21 am
@German, the moral standards are not the issue. It is about CBAs and the law. The law is no longer a factor here since the SOL has run out. The CBA and all being about the shield apply to those in the NFL. The POTUS is not in the NFL. Accusations against either President or an NFL QB are just that. But both are celebs so to speak, so accusations can be damaging either one of both. Both are taking hits on the way they are seen by others. But the CBA is binding on behavior to JW3 and punishment is IAW that, period.
May 3rd, 2018 at 6:42 am
Ahhh….why do we have to even be talking about this matter
May 3rd, 2018 at 7:30 am
Lot of arm-chair lawyering going on here! Nobody knows what’s going to happen. PERIOD!
Jameis is our QB, deal with it. If he is suspended, there are no excuses for the Bucs not to be prepared. We won 2 games with Fitzy last year in case everyone forgot.
ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY ZERO EXCUSES!
May 3rd, 2018 at 10:03 am
Not knowing how Uber works. [ we have none where I live] My question is exactly when did Jameis get notified by them and how do they notify somebody their account is suspended? It seems to me a man like J.W. is a fairly busy guy. and it wasn’t brought to his attention it might have gone unnoticed for a long while thus making time line obscure.
May 3rd, 2018 at 10:08 am
@duke
Those aren’t by stats. They are by opinions. Everyone in the league (especially at Espn) has a bias against Winston.
May 3rd, 2018 at 10:30 am
@Roy: I don’t want to argue about it, it’s just my POV – nothing more.
The NFL will do whatever they want, that’s not my business nor will I have any influence on it. I highly doubt Rodger Godell reads the posts on JBF before coming up with his decision.
May 3rd, 2018 at 10:32 am
Someone must have already said it, but the second best part of the draft was Goodell being booed every time he took the stage.
May 3rd, 2018 at 11:01 am
Honestly, Jameis can’t afford to not play.