Koetter “Welcomes Criticism From Players”
May 8th, 2018
Yes, Joe was bowling with Bucs on Monday night at Donovan Smith’s charity event in Tampa to raise money for an autism research and outreach organization.
Most of the biggest names on the Buccaneers roster were in the house, and Smith deserves a huge thumbs-up for being very hands-on in running the event in various ways. There was no fancy event planner doing everything for Smith while he relaxed.
Joe paid to participate and made a donation, but Joe also was there to gather info and work with a high school senior who is in the midst on a three-week internship at JoeBucsFan.com.
“Junior Joe” chatted with Buccaneers on the record with a recorder and uncovered this little gem from Ali Marpet.
Marpet was asked about his initial impression of Dirk Koetter and how that impression has changed.
“My first impression was when he was our offensive coordinator with Lovie; he was a smart man, knew football extremely well, held himself to a high standard and conducted himself as a professional.” Marpet said. “I think I learned a little bit more about him. I think one thing that I can respect about [Coach Koetter] that I didn’t know at first is that he is always looking to get better as as coach. He’s always looking to see what he can do to improve his coaching style, and he actually welcomes criticism from players, or welcomes critiques from players on how to be a better coach.”
Nice nugget there from Marpet, revealing that Koetter craves player feedback and pointed critique so he can raise his coaching game. Koetter certainly didn’t learn that from Lovie Smith.
So what did Koetter learn from his team that will be applied in 2018?
The Marpet comment reminded Joe of when the Bucs defense was horrid during the first half of the 2016 season, and then Mike Smith gathered the troops and sought fixes, which came and were effective immediately.
May 8th, 2018 at 12:51 am
Wonder if any criticism was voiced about using Martin when it clearly wasnt working….I’m guessing, no.
May 8th, 2018 at 1:03 am
I would love to see Koetter be more involved in the defense
May 8th, 2018 at 7:06 am
Old saying Lamarcus … ‘A camel is a horse built by a committee.’ Be careful what you wish for.
May 8th, 2018 at 7:23 am
“Old saying Lamarcus … ‘A camel is a horse built by a committee.’ Be careful what you wish for.”
on the flip side it could be a reflection on Lovie…..failure to adapt
Times change and you have to adapt.
Jerry Cantrell
May 8th, 2018 at 7:37 am
Looks like the coaches and front office had some “critiques” for the players which ended up being 3 new position players on each of the trenches!!!!!!!
Funny how the sheep, joe and the so-called fans mistake bad line play for “play calling”!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully we will see much improved trenches so the sheep, joe and the so-called fans say that the coaches really improved their “play calling”!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2018 at 8:09 am
Buc realist, the line play on both sides were bad but I think everyone from coaches to the players,scouts,owners,etc. Has to take responsibility for that debacle last year.the entire organization embarrassed the city and fans of Tampa.
May 8th, 2018 at 8:23 am
I think it is pretty clear that coach Koetter DOES learn as he goes and it’s good that the team through Marpet acknowledges that. I’m sure we all remember how many bad game time decisions Koetter made early in his tenure as head coach. While he didn’t totally clean up everything, he made better decisions as time went on. I’m not sold on the Koetter era being a successful one as far as wins and losses but I do think he is capable of and demonstrating growth. The question that arises in my mind is do the real Bucs fans and the players can tolerate the on-the-job learning he’s engaged in. Just win baby, I guess.
May 8th, 2018 at 8:25 am
Oh and Kudos to Donovan Smith for his charity work, and kudos to JoeBucsfan for playing a part.
May 8th, 2018 at 8:25 am
@john meeks
are you saying that have not taken responsibility???? Because in every interview and press conference, it sounds like they are!!!!!! And what was more of a debacle, The distractions and injuries for the Bucs or the fact that you way overestimated the roster because they were dancing around on a reality tv show!!!!!!!! Maybe take a spoonful of that responsibility yourself!!!!!!!!!
The Bucs are Building up a good roster!!!!!! Let them keep building!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2018 at 8:30 am
@Buc Realist is spot on here. They have been, in words and deeds, been owning up to that trainwreck of a season and they are working towards building a solid team and correct the personnel disasters of the recent past, and that too is a tacit admission that they need to do better.
May 8th, 2018 at 8:44 am
Nice to hear you are sponsoring/mentoring a young person as an intern Joe.
Should we all light candles and pray for this intern’s soul since there is no evidence as of yet that Joe can develop young journalism talent??
May 8th, 2018 at 8:51 am
@pickgrin
The Joe’s are great journalist!!!!!!!! It is the “wacky” midnight post joe’s “player evaluation” that we light candles for!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2018 at 9:04 am
I’m a Koetter fan, but if he’s going differentiate himself from Lovie Smith, he has to learn from his mistakes and adapt to the talent on the team.
For example, don’t keep forcing inferior running backs into the lineup because they can pass block.
They’re called RUNNING backs for a reason!
May 8th, 2018 at 9:08 am
The bucs have made steps towards improving the trenches but the bucs need a RT immediatley that can play at an NFL levl not D2/D3 against a hall of famer, then Beasley and cameron jordan, the bucs have enough trouble with them when D smith is on them but now some schlub at RT may be going against them to protect Jameis….WOW
May 8th, 2018 at 9:13 am
The sport will soon be moving on from this mish-mosh hire a new coordinator here, fire a head coach there. The Patriots are the bar. Just like the NBA will never be the same after the Warriors started firing up 1,000 3’s per game and laid out the blueprint for success, the NFL will soon change. Owners need to adapt and adopt The Patriot Way to win. All those guys do is win. Brady can be out, they can be playing with high school WR’s, 47 year old linebackers, and undrafted RB’s, and all they do is win. It’s the system. We better move quickly.
GO BUCS!!!!
May 8th, 2018 at 9:18 am
Ain’t no player going to publicly criticize his Coach….They all want to be on the field and are not going to say anything to piss a Coach off and take that chance…..Come on Man!!!!!
May 8th, 2018 at 9:22 am
“and the so-called fans mistake bad line play for “play calling” ”
If you’re talking about defense then yeah I’d agree. No pass rush and getting destroyed in the trenches = not much you can do to compensate. Play press & blitz and you’re likely going to get roasted because the other team could typically still pick up our blitzes and give QBs enough time since the D-line couldn’t generate any pressure. Still would have liked to see more press but I can understand the logic of playing safer coverage when you can’t get pressure on the QB at all.
But the play calling and play designs on offense could have been better – with 90% of those issues being how we called the game once we got past the 50 yard line and a majority of that in the red zone. Unless you think deep drop long developing route tree plays are ideal when you only need to convert 10-15 yards for a TD. ANd the O-line was nowhere near as bad as the D-line
May 8th, 2018 at 9:23 am
Buc realist, I didn’t over estimate a damn thing when it came to this roster this past season and you can’t show me where I even made a prediction. You like to try and put words in people’s mouth,I have noticed this about you.that won’t work with me sir!I will call you out on doing that so you may want to go to the next guy with that bs.now,the bucs seem to be taking responsibility for that debacle last year but until this team makes the playoffs I’m not buying into anything they say.its time to put up or shutup!
May 8th, 2018 at 9:29 am
The biggest turn off for me was his analogy that the season was like a rocket ship you can’t turn it around or change things during the season once it’s started/launched. That really says it all about his coaching style. My way or the highway, this is how it is guys deal with it. That is a good things sometimes but it boarders on insanity if you do the same thing over and over again expecting different results. A great point is @Steve in Mad Beach about the running backs. They stuck with Martin and started him. Didn’t ask him to earn that #1 just handed it back to him. Barber would have been more effective IMO, might have won them a few more games. Another issue is the zero sets which got JW destroyed, every strip sack was on that damn zero set. Did Kooter adjust seeing JW have a hard time with it? Nope, just left him out to dry. I KNOW for a fact this is what’s causing the rift between the 2. JW needs a better OC, more adaptive OC. Hopefully Mookin will have more sway this year.
May 8th, 2018 at 9:32 am
Realist I’m amazed at the amount of posts the Joe’s crank out every day
May 8th, 2018 at 9:34 am
I’m glad he’s trying to improve. Hope we can survive his OJT.
I do wonder if the great coaches take “critiques from players”.. I prefer a coach that knows how to coach his system, i.e. Belichick, Parcells, JJohnson etc.
I guess its the millennial age, everyone is best friends and big group hugs for all…
May 8th, 2018 at 9:42 am
@Pickgrin … “Should we all light candles and pray for this intern’s soul since there is no evidence as of yet that Joe can develop young journalism talent??” Ooooh Pickgrin, that was brutal. Hilarious, but brutal.
May 8th, 2018 at 9:45 am
I love the dbag56 moniker. Lmao. Ty. I’m flattered. 😆
I just have one question, as a so-called fan, how long can we expect to take before hitting the .500 mark? The Bucs have missed it 9 out of the last 10 years or so, I was just curious.
Patiently waiting to brag about the Bucs on social media.
I want to be like patriots fans who don’t even brag anymore they just look at the rest of the nfl with pity. How long will that take?
May 8th, 2018 at 9:59 am
@DB55- “I just have one question, as a so-called fan, how long can we expect to take before hitting the .500 mark?”
According to some, we need to wait long enough for them to accumulate enough Hall of Fame talent so that we no longer need coaching!
May 8th, 2018 at 10:03 am
Question. What do you think coach says when he does not agree with the critique? Does he explain his actions? This seems like it could lead to disagreements.
May 8th, 2018 at 10:06 am
the pats were just ROASTED…philly is the NEW bar.. catch up
May 8th, 2018 at 10:14 am
Minnesota, LA (Both), The Jags, Titans, Saints, Pats and of course the Eagles, all except the Pats have made super quick turn arounds while the bucs still are stuck in the hot nasty florida muck and looks like it will be another year and counting
May 8th, 2018 at 10:18 am
Congrats to junior Joe!
Lol Pickgrin, that was funny.
May 8th, 2018 at 10:25 am
Bucsfan ☠️🤣☠️
Tval – call me when philly makes their 8th SB in like 14 years.
Dusty – say it isn’t so
May 8th, 2018 at 10:35 am
He can learn about the FFCA if this doesn’t turn around quickly.
May 8th, 2018 at 11:13 am
don’t think he was too welcoming when tj ward criticized him….baker too!!!!….when they criticized him and the defensive coaches his feelings got hurt….lol….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
May 8th, 2018 at 11:23 am
the funniest thing this offseason has been @rhealist trying to convince folks that IRMA,HK, SOS and injuries were the cause of our 5-11season…..not coaching but “distractions”…..lol…..
its almost as funny as him getting his skirt blown up by a gust of wind, exposing his dirty little tmaxipad!!!!!….lol…..
face it, we were 5-11 because these coaches failed to prepare this team to face adversity and they failed to make adjustments….simple as that!!!!!…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
May 8th, 2018 at 11:38 am
I am especially excited to view serious Return on Investment from the Defensive Line this 2018 season and beyond…. I believe we as fans are going to experience major returns from player personnel changes as much as Line Coach change to Brentson Buckner…
May 8th, 2018 at 12:05 pm
Dude, does Dirk take in fan critique? Or Joe critique? Or Little Joe?
Somebody tell him to start a few games off with the 2-Back set that Lovie had him using. Barber/Jones don’t sound too bad.
Remember how open the middle of the field was? Hello O.J.
May 8th, 2018 at 2:04 pm
Didn’t Koetter and Licht both say last year and lately as well that we had a good team and we were closer than people thought we we’re?
I’ve heard Koetter say he needs to do a better job after a game in interviews and I’ve heard him say we need to execute better.
Koetter and Licht also said that the Hurricane, injuries etc are not excuses. Yet, for some reason when people here form a justified opinion from these words uttered by Koetter and Licht they get bashed for pointing this out.
Sure we get a few trolls here and there but I’d say everyone here is a fan and has a right to be critical.
I’m pretty excited after this draft tbh but, I’m not going to get too caught up in the hype just to be let down again and I’d say that’s reasonable.
May 8th, 2018 at 2:27 pm
I do not think Koetter has ever taken criticism well. He certainly takes responsibility for the team losing games. But if he’s ever criticized on a decision or things he did or didn’t do, he would often get angrily defensive. Seemingly annoyed. Sometimes the reporters point out obvious mistakes and it is annoying and frustrating, but I take more issue with him being defensive of sometimes clear mistakes or bad choices. And you could certainly see that his attitude started to drop off toward the end of the season. Was it our terrible record? The rumors of Gruden in and Koetter out? A bit of both? I’m not sure how much he welcomed criticism but maybe all of that was a bit of a kick in the arse/wake up call.
May 8th, 2018 at 6:12 pm
Emo Dirk breaking down after the Carolina game, nearly crying about how he’s not going to be here anymore to the team and Winston having to give him a pep talk… that’s what I’ll always remember about Dirk.
Well that and Dirk playing for a FG before halftime in Carolina, and playing for a FG at the end of the Saints game and Winston finally getting sick of emo Dirk and deciding he was going to win the game on his own. Hopefully emo Dirk will just let Winston do what he does, which is win, instead of playing for FGs and then wondering why the team is 5-11.
May 9th, 2018 at 11:40 am
Play calling was a issue last year for us. I hope dirk gets better at his clock management an if we get three timeouts in the first half why not use them to our advantage instead of saving them we get three more next half. But i think he did ok. As far as criticism goes its good to listen to the players opinion were all working together so yea if they have good advice dats makes plenty of sense sure why not listen. My main thing is we mostly held ourself back on offense an really did see sum bad playcalling. We need to keep our foot on the pedal an play more aggressive. Take a look at shuan mcvay. Love his style of offense keeps defense on there heels