Florio: Jameis Unwanted (Now)
May 19th, 2018
Compelling QB chatter.
As of today, May 19, 2018, aside from the Bucs, no team in America would want America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
That’s the current state of the NFL as seen by the creator, curator and overall guru of Pro Football Talk, the great Mike Florio.
Yesterday morning heard on the public’s airwaves via NBC Sports Radio, while most red-blooded American men were showering, shaving and doing something else that starts with an “S” that requires one to be in a sitting position, Florio tossed out that at this point in the NFL calendar, there likely isn’t an NFL team that would take Jameis onto their roster if for some twisted reason the Bucs released him.
This notion aroused one of Florio’s employees, Michael David Smith, to make an appearance on Florio’s TV show, “PFT Live,” seen by intelligent football fans weekday mornings on NBC Sports Network, to spar with his powerful boss. MDS openly scoffed that no NFL team would jump at the chance to land Jameis.
This subject created such a stir on Twitter that Florio revisited it on his Friday edition of his fantastic PFT PM podcast. Upon reflection, Florio has dug in his heels.
“If [Jameis] was available right now, I believe no other team would say, ‘Make him the starter and we will bench or get rid of our starter and we will make it work,'” Florio said. “If any team out there which already has a starter and didn’t upgrade via the draft or free agency, they are not going to upgrade just because Jameis Winston pops up. He’s got three years [of NFL experience as a starter] and we really don’t know what he is going to be.
“And the teams that have already addressed the quarterback position, they are not going to throw those guys overboard right now. What, are they going to cut Tyrod Taylor in Cleveland who they gave up a third round pick for and say, ‘Hey, we are going with Jameis Winston until Baker Mayfield is ready?’ No. Are they going to get rid of Kirk Cousins in Minnesota? No. In Arizona, they’ve got Josh Rosen.
“There isn’t a team out there that would say, ‘Oh man, what the hell are we doing at quarterback this year?’ You make Jameis Winston available I don’t think there is a single team that says, ‘Let’s get him right now and let’s make him our starter right now.'”
Joe maintains there are three teams, possibly four, that would drop their breakfast trays in the middle of the dining room if they heard Jameis was available, and race to find their smartphones.
The first team would be Miami. You think Adam Gase wouldn’t want Jameis? We are talking about a guy who brought in Jay Cutler in August to try to save the Dolphins — Jay Cutler! From NFL whispers, it seems the folks in Miami are looking for a reason to bench Ryan Tannehill for a competent signal-caller.
As MDS told Florio yesterday, the Jags would grab Jameis in a heartbeat and immediately become a favorite to win the AFC.
Joe also believes Denver would be all over Jameis. From the times Joe has spoken to John Elway, it seems Elway is fond of Jameis. Yeah, Elway threw a wad of cash at Case Keenum. Has dropping vaults of money on quarterbacks ever stopped Elway from trying to upgrade the position?
Joe also thinks Cincinnati would take Jameis to replace Andy Dalton. Florio spoke on this subject specifically and ruled out the Bengals because noted tightwad Mike Brown wouldn’t want to pay Jameis’ salary.
Joe sees Florio’s point and it’s not crazy. But Joe’s having a difficult time believing no NFL team would want Jameis today if the Bucs, for whatever reason, were hungover enough from last night to wash their hands of the franchise’s best quarterback.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:05 am
Jameis can turn it al around this year. Let’s go Bucs!
If I’m the Jaguars, I’d take Jameis over Bortles. If I’m the Colts, I’d also pick him up as a plan b to Luck. If I’m Belichick, I’d take him to mature behind Tom.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:12 am
I think he’s RIGHT to a certain degree……….
Jameis career can be compared to Daunte Culpepper…………..good arm, amazing talent……but completely wasted potential never fully realized on a consistent basis.
Jameis Winston is simply not consistent.
– He looks great to amazing at times
– Then the next series he’s making bonehead decisions like throwing up passes while going down into a crowd of defenders.
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If Jameis continues on the course he’s heading……he won’t be resigned to a long-term deal because he simply hasn’t shown he’s worth it……..he may turn into another Journeyman QB that teams will take chances on for the next 10 years because of his talent and potential.
……and all of you Jameis lovers out there….don’t bring up his “stats” in his defense…….watch football with your eyes instead of looking at stat sheets.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:12 am
Drew Lock 2019….pay Jameis his 5th year and let it sort itself out over the next 2 years
May 19th, 2018 at 8:14 am
The point is, Tampa Bay fans, Joe included, have one opinion of JW and the balance of the NFL community have an equal and opposite opinion of JW.
What we want him to be and what he is, are different. Tampa, Joe included, can continue to play Ostrich, but it will not alter reality.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:18 am
Well this year will tell you everything you need to know about our Captains (Winston & McCoy). Both have been given excellent weapons to improve their own game. So when fans come on here and say NO EXCUSES I’m going to have to agree.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:23 am
“passthebuc Says:
May 19th, 2018 at 8:14 am
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………What we want him to be and what he is, are different. Tampa, Joe included, can continue to play Ostrich, but it will not alter reality.”
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The reality, is that we saw the best potential from him in his rookie season…..but since then we haven’t that he’s a franchise QB
Carson Wentz has shown it
Deshaun Watson has shown it
………………But we haven’t seen it from the Overall #1 pick in the NFL Draft
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and for since draft status, that’s why I think he’s been given a “pass” for him to mature into a franchise QB
BUT GUESS WHAT…………….we haven’t seen it yet!!!!!!!!!!!
and quite frankly, I think for us Bucs Fans……..we ever will.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:28 am
So far he reminds me alot like Freeman. He’s had some good number’s but a ton of turnovers and can’t seem to hit people in stride# accuracy problems! That’s why none of the receivers have good yard after the catch you can’t hit them in stride it is what it is we’ll find out a lot after this year.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:28 am
Lol! No way! If he was dropped Florio would be shocked at the number of teams with legitimate interest. Ceiling is still very high for JW. JW just needs a running game and he’ll blow up. This is his year, regardless of the looming suspension. 2 games tops here. Chick changed her story multiple times.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:35 am
He sounds like one of the JoeBucs readers that constantly craps on Jameis year round, no matter what he does. How can anyone not be impressed with what he has done at such a young age? Sans the potential uber issue outcome, the sky is the limit for Jameis. It’s proven in his work ethic.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:35 am
Mike Florio is really good at two things. One is discussing legal topics. As a former lawyer I always want to hear what he has to say about some legal issue that has popped up in the NFL. He’s very good at explaining that to non-lawyers. The other thing he is good at is self-promotion. He’s like a politician and that way. He’s a good speaker, and speaks with confidence and has a knack for making it sound like anything he says is true. But that’s where he fails. Is opinions are no more or less valid than anyone’s just because he has a high profile job. His opinion in this case about Winston is preposterous. And I’m glad he was called out by some of his peers. He has a blind spot where Winston is concerned for whatever reason, probably stemming from his off-the-field issues. But if he thinks that 31 teams would pass him by if you were magically available, then he’s simply an idiot.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:40 am
Really? Give me a break. what a senseless article. Florio, you have never like winston and are nothing but a marriotta lover. btw i would expect the same love or worse for him. much like if Breese,Brady or Rothesburger became available. All GM’s are going to stand by their pick no matter.
i think you are way outta touch with NFL circle. bears,browns,jets,bills,skins,giants,steelers…name a few that would be idiots if they did not decide to change direction if jamie’s became available,wat to much upside and many years ahead of him. Defense and running game stink and Jamie’s is not the exclusive reason they have losing record.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:43 am
Joe, if you think he’s right on any point he made, I have to question your football acumen. That is the dumbest take on Winston I’ve seen in years. Jameis will be one of the premier QB’s in the league sooner than later. How you can even legitimize this garbage is quite telling.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:44 am
Same jameis haters would be happy with bucs going 0-16 year in and year out as long as team had an ignorant Dungy clone running a soft zone with a team full of no talent choirboys running the ball 50 times a game up the centers arse. Conservative pansy arses simple as that.
Jameis will easily go down as greatest buc of all time. the bar is set so low some of you belive tandy should be in canton.
Qb is least of bucs worries
May 19th, 2018 at 8:47 am
If this young man has the stones; and I believe he does.
This kind of talk – reinforces/stimulates your mental fortitude; to prove all the naysayers wrong.
Can’t wait to see how it all plays out.
#NOEXCUSESN’2018
May 19th, 2018 at 8:47 am
Looks like we have a Trollmax ventriloquist. Nice job picking up on all his silly tropes, Reality.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:48 am
This is just dumb. Miami, Jax, Cinci, NYJ, Denver, Arizona, SD, & Buffalo would all take him right now. Yes, i know NY, Buffalo and Arizona just drafted QB’s but none of the QB’s taken this year are as good a prospect as Jameis is/was.
He’s only 24 and has 3 years of NFL experience leading a team. If you watched the last month of the season last year and didn’t see the potential of this kid then you are likely a lost cause.
They went 5-11 last year with the worst defense in the league. He gave them the lead under 2 minutes in 4 games that were lost by this defense.
TB had the 1st pick in the draft for a reason. They sucked out loud. They didn’t suck out loud just because they were missing a QB. They sucked because they had a major talent deficiency. Both sides of the lines were a mess which led to a lousy defense and no running game. Both a huge need for teams that want to win in this league. Also, both are huge needs for a young starting QB in this league.
By the way, compare JW’s stat line last year to his South Division rivals. Other than Brees, he compares favorably to all to all of them, including Matt Ryan who is now the highest paid QB in the league.
Mark it down, JW will have a great year this year and this team will be above .500.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:50 am
Ok the only thing that might make this true, is that if the Bucs did drop him today with no replacement in house, I would imagine every GM in the league would have to take a moment and question why we would drop him. That stigma with the questions about the investigation might scare many teams away because they would likely think the Bucs know something about the potential for suspensions and other character concerns. This all doesn’t really matter as it is completely make believe.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:54 am
Conte, I see where you’re going with that but I think Florio would have mentioned that right up front as part of this hypothetical scenario because it would be an important piece. Since he didn’t I was just interpreting it to mean if the Bucs cut him for no good reason then no other team would pick him up which is of course ridiculous on its face.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:56 am
Mike Florio, along with the other talking heads sensationalize by making fantastic statements that cannot or will not be proven. He or part of this fan base might not appreciate the talent of Young Jameis, but the people who matter over at One Buc do.
The truth is, without Jameis, our record over the past three years would be much worse than it has been. He has won or, put us in position to win, more games than he has caused us to lose. Who was the last Bucs quarterback that could consistently drive the team down the field to score with little time remaining on the clock? Name another quarterback in this league that has put up the numbers that young Jameis has, without a trace of a running game?
Those games that Jameis played last year after his injury is the real Jameis and I do believe that given a running game and a defense that does not force him into “comeback” mode, he will thrive like the QB’s he’s always being compared to, that have these amenities.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:57 am
It’s hard to believe that most of the posters here watch football. Of course Jameis will throw a lot of picks, most of his career he has to comeback from huge deficits since his first NFL game. He is a completely different QB when the defense its doing its job, not to mention that he hasn’t had any RB help to take pressure off of him.
Goff and Wentz sucked their first year, then they got a running game and a good defense and now they’re striving.
Jameis will never be compared to the Brady’s and Montana’s of the NFL, and it’s not fair and plain in simple stupid to think him or any QB can come in and do what those great QB have accomplished, but he will have a very productive career as long as the team do it’s job to help him (not get him a bunch of receivers and nothing else and tell him to just throw) by making the overall team better. Hopefully the Bucs are ready to be a much better overall team.
I remember watching some games last year in which the other team played us with two deep safeties almost the whole game. They had zero repect for our running game.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:03 am
Little stevie
The truth hurts
May 19th, 2018 at 9:06 am
@Florio … “You make Jameis Winston available I don’t think there is a single team that says, ‘Let’s get him right now and let’s make him our starter right now.’” Dumb argument by Florio (and others) since Jameis ISN’T AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW. Folks could play the same ‘What If’ game with virtually every NFL player. For what? Jameis is a Buc this year and almost surely next year (5th year option is cheap).
Bucnjim is right … NO EXCUSES this year, for Jameis or anyone else. Coaches, players, fans & media need to stop playing “What If’ and ‘What Could Have Been’ and focus on THIS SEASON. Just about everyone knows what needs to be fixed, based on last year. Like Nike says … JUST DO IT.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:12 am
Jameis is in the top half of all QBs in yards and passer rating, add in his youth and growth potential, it is beyond silly to say no other team would want him right now. That’s just dumb!
May 19th, 2018 at 9:13 am
Winston stats…….
It would be interesting to compile how much of those are from times when defenses were playing soft/prevent late in games with big leads.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:13 am
Troll (Reality) you’re just sad you got called out. Now go hide in your safe space to use one of your other favorite tropes. Or throw a couple back at me to prove my point all over again.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:21 am
Why listen to this extreme leftist in Florio?
So many like him spew undertones of racism in their comments.
Reminds me of local writer Matt Baker of the Times.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:22 am
Awwee stevie its ok i understand living in denial about the last decade plus of embarrassing football as rendered you incapable of coping with reality.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:22 am
JabooBuc,
You’re joking about NYJ, Buffalo, and Arizona right? Doesn’t matter at all that Jameis might have been a better prospect than the QB’s they drafted. His play in the NFL has been inconsistent three years in.
Those teams are firmly behind the QB’s they drafted and I’m guessing all three teams believe their guy can be better in the NFL than what Jameis has shown so far.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:22 am
Was talking to a former buc wideout.
He nailed it, he said 3 was inconsistent with his accurarcy and reads.
Said he worked hard and was a good leader.
Then my my dad who was a pitcher nailed it as well.
Said Winston was a classic fastball pitcher. He football throwing motion represents that. Fastball pitchers always struggle with consistency in accuracy.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:26 am
Jameis at his best will never be
as good as 2010 Freeman. That’s just the reality.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:28 am
I used to think that Mike Florio was an intelligent man. That is no longer my opinion.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:31 am
The same winston haters are loyal apologists for the career losing team captain gmc that plays soft and has cost bucs far more wins than Jameis will ever. Talk about zero credibility
May 19th, 2018 at 9:32 am
Destinjohnny Says:
May 19th, 2018 at 9:22 am
Was talking to a former buc wideout.
He nailed it, he said 3 was inconsistent with his accurarcy and reads.
Said he worked hard and was a good leader.
Then my my dad who was a pitcher nailed it as well.
Said Winston was a classic fastball pitcher. He football throwing motion represents that. Fastball pitchers always struggle with consistency in accuracy.
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Thank you………you nailed it 100%
I’ve coached baseball and football for a number of years
………..and I’ve dealt with same issues from pitches / Qbs…………to totally different throwing motions. ……..but muscle memory is a killer in the mind of athletes.
Most football fans ignores QB mechanics……since I’ve coached it…..I know.
…………….only coaches can disect this…….
There are so many times Jameis foot work looks horrible. ..
Long wind ups (baseball trait)
……….and other things I won’t even get into
But all of these “little things” is hurting his accuracy……
May 19th, 2018 at 9:41 am
It’s now or never.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:45 am
Reality (Trollmax), thanks for confirming. That was easy! Serving out your sentence was just too hard wasn’t it? You just had to fully reveal yourself and turn a Winston thread into your usual word salad and tropes about Dungy and GMC. We see you. What, do you have the IQ of a kitten? Don’t answer that. Meow. I hear you.
May 19th, 2018 at 9:59 am
Don’t understand some of bucs fans. Winston can’t seem to score in the red zone,not accurate throwing the long ball and rated by the nfl as only an average qb . Do u think he scares anyone in the bucs own division ? Maybe things will change and he will improve but stop making excuses for him. Winston needs to show up and also be able to carry the team if needed .. NOT CLOSE yet.
May 19th, 2018 at 10:01 am
The perfect comparison isn’t Culpepper. It’s Stafford. A guy who struggled early, didn’t have the help he needed and took longer to develop. But now? Now Stafford is easily in the top 10 (no.8?). The Bucs just need to ride this out. Let him develop. He’s 24. Chill the eff out. He’s younger than Wentz for goodness sakes. Just chill.
May 19th, 2018 at 10:08 am
The Bears signed Glennon and the Jets signed McCown to start. I’m pretty sure Florio is off his rocker on this one. Also, I what world would Winston not beat out Taylor or Tannehill for a Job? Denver would be crazy not to pick up Winston.
May 19th, 2018 at 10:12 am
What a stupid article to feed the trolls like bucs anthem. You say he has not looked great since his rookie year? Imagine that, the only great he had a good running game. As you said look with your eyes. I can’t wait for Jameis to blow it up this year so people like buck anthem and the other trolls can become invisible. And don’t worry I’ll remind you of every stupid comment you’ve made this offseason. Florio is a lawyer who doesnt know squat about football ,which I can clearly say about a few posters on this room. And yes we can look at that stats, stats don’t lie. And stop with the Carson wentz stuff. Hes had 1 good year. Kind of like dark Prescott whose nuts everyone was on. Imagine that, without Zeke, he was awful.
May 19th, 2018 at 10:15 am
Kalind, I agree. Culpepper was on track to be a top QB until his injury. He wasn’t the same after that. Winston played his best ball of the year after his injury. Stafford is a great comparison, especially for the fans who don’t just compare black QBs to other black QBs, because we know they’re all alike! (Sarcasm). Culpepper is a good comparison because he was a pocket passer, but the career arc is more Stafford and their games are similar as well.
May 19th, 2018 at 10:21 am
Florio is not only a confirmed Jameis hater since day 1 – he’s also now a confirmed IDIOT!
May 19th, 2018 at 10:23 am
Look,
Florio needs a wake-up slap. Bucs had NO running game and the Defense was dead last, period. They were dead last against the run and the pass. This is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the Jags!
For you Winston haters out there, let me ask the question that should’ve been asked to Florio: what would the Bucs have looked like with Blake Bortles the last few years? Exactly.
Prior to last year, NOBODY spoke about Blake Bortles in ANY kind of glowing light. WE ALL called him a scrub! Yeah Winston has some things he needs to improve on but he’s had some amazing moments, even made a pro bowl and was voted into the top 100 by his peers at least once!
Forget the pro bowl or the top 100, can you name ONE amazing moment Blake Bortles has had? Exactly!
I live in Denver. Blake Bortles rode the strength of a great defense and running game to success last year, just like Peyton Manning did in his last superbowl run. Ain’t nothing wrong with it. Just call a spade a spade!
May 19th, 2018 at 10:25 am
Do Winston stats look like the # 1 pick in the draft with the weapons .. NOPE!
May 19th, 2018 at 10:28 am
Cgmaster- you have hit it on the head. Dak is a great example of what happens in this league when you can’t run the ball. Truth is he’s probably an average QB that looks great when you have to account for Zeke. When Zeke’s out, he’s back to average or below average.
Then there’s Goff. Absolute garbage in year 1. Year 2, they find a running game and suddenly play defense and now he looks like a #1 pick.
It’s really quite simple people. It’s no wonder why Jason and this staff finally dedicated some time and money to fixing the trenches.
May 19th, 2018 at 10:29 am
Don’t you think Jameis is better than a four team QB kind of guy? For a number one pick in the draft?
I would say that if he doesn’t step forward this year, Koetter will be history, and the new coach will likely be looking at a new QB, rather than choosing to hang his fate on Jameis.
That being said, for the organizations sake, our sake and Jameis sake, let’s hope he has a great year.
May 19th, 2018 at 10:35 am
Joe its about time you showed your true colors.you have a hidden agenda against jw yourself .why else would you follow up with a garbage article such as that. Ur too negative joe to be a bucs fan
Silly talk. First, Joe shares anything that Joe considers interesting as it relates to the Bucs. This certainly qualifies coming from a big voice like Florio. And if you didn’t read the take in post, Joe disagrees with Florio. So what are you talking about? Joe has no hidden agendas. If there is an agenda, it’s in plain sight here. The No. 1 agenda is desiring winning at all costs and sharing what’s interesting about the Bucs. As for negativity, Joe writes positive things about the Bucs every single day. Every one. –Joe
May 19th, 2018 at 10:38 am
Living away from Tampa now – I can clearly say that few cities in all of America are as negative a sports town as Tampa. This is the most pointless argument I’ve seen and for it to get multi day exposure by this site just enhances the overall negative vibe thst Tampa writhes in.
Bucs fans are interested in the national perspective of their team. Florio runs the No. 1 NFL news and commentary website, and supplements that with a television show and a weekday radio show. His takes are give close attention by NFL owners and executives. Joe will always share if it’s interesting, and this certainly hits that standard. –Joe
May 19th, 2018 at 10:56 am
JosephMomma, I said “was/is” in terms of a prospect. He’s already a proven player in this league. I could make a strong argument that there are very few QB’s in the league that could have done anything with this team given the talent and coaching last year. JW put this team in position to win numerous times only to see this team fail.
Go back and watch the NE, Green Bay, Buffalo, Carolina, Atlanta. All games JW put them in position to win All given up by poor defense and special teams.
May 19th, 2018 at 11:04 am
For peolpe who think Winston is not a pretty good QB should look at these interesting stats i found. The Bucs were 2nd in the whole league in first downs(352), number 1 was New England(389). The Bucs were 1st in the league in throwing for first downs(243)to New England’s (232). So the Bucs were moving the ball up and down the field pretty much all year. The problem was in the red zone. They stalled more times than not. I think the biggest reason we stalled in the red zone was a lack of a good RB. Most good red zone teams have a good running attack. Lets give Winston some credit for basically running a effective offense with only half of the needed personal. Give him a good defense to give him more short fied’s ,not having to go 70 yards every time will help too. Florio needs to take a chill pill with his obvious hating. If Winston became available tomorrow teams would jump all over him with the lack of competent QBs in the nfl.
May 19th, 2018 at 11:08 am
I really can’t stand some of y’all so called Buc fans it’s is so amazing that you just want to throw JW to the wolves he’s 24 he was injuries for numerous games last year An still had over 3500 yard passing An his best year was his Rookie year I wonder why it was the only year we have a great Running game mark my words JW will be a top 10 QB this year we will have a way improved Runnjng game with barber Jones an yes Sims will still have a nice role An will excel at it An our Defense will also take a ton of pressure of our Pro bowl QB to know he can take the sack an punt an not worry about forcing the ball because our Defense will actually stop people this year An not be down 10-14 points before we score we will not be playing from behind the other teams will just look to a improved team all around all aspects will be greatly improved #GoBucs #Ja3oo
May 19th, 2018 at 11:39 am
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JOE … YOU’RE SPOT ON WITH THE BENGALS, DOLPHINS, BRONCOS AND JAGS … BUT ADD TO THAT FOURSOME THE RAVENS (Harbaugh and that franchise would kill for Jameis), BILLS AND THE CARDINALS … AND LIKELY THE JETS, BROWNS, GIANTS, COWBOYS AND REDSKINS as the Browns and Jets would much rather have Jameis than Tyrod and McCown and the Giants, Boys and Skins know they could trade their current inferior QBs for picks to go along with the newly signed superior QB in Jameis which is a no-brainer.
MIKE FLORIO IS A LOON, PERIOD.
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May 19th, 2018 at 11:40 am
I just leave this right here:
http://www.footballperspective.com/jameis-winston-had-an-unusual-2017-season/
May 19th, 2018 at 11:43 am
And oh yeah Florio is and always has been a idiot.
May 19th, 2018 at 11:49 am
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If Jameis was cut and the Jags didn’t sign him immediately, Jalen Ramsey and Rashaad Greene would be beating down the GM’s door and flipping out … same with Kelvin Benjamin and Nick O’Leary in Buffalo!
Heck, I bet Dalvin Cook would be talking to the Vikes and saying, “You know you could get a bunch of picks for Kirk Cousins and sign Jameis, right? Do it!”
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May 19th, 2018 at 11:53 am
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The real question is, which team would Jameis want to sign with
#1 Jaguars: Obvious choice as they’d be a SB favorite instantly
#2 Broncos: Great organization with at least some offensive weapons
#3 Ravens: Great organization but no real weapons on offense
DISTANT #4: Dolphins: Gets to stay in Florida … but the roster is weak
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May 19th, 2018 at 12:19 pm
Keep trolling the haters, joe…lol!
May 19th, 2018 at 12:31 pm
I am a huge Denver hater. I live in Colorado by the way. If Denver took Jameis I would definitely go to 3-4 games a year. His charisma is something I would not want to miss when enjoying a live game. Just a blast to watch. Wish I lived in Tampa.
May 19th, 2018 at 12:35 pm
I hope Jameis Winston decides that he does not want to play for the Buccaneers in at the end of his contract. I really do because he does not deserve the BS he has to deal with. Jameis is a winner playing for a bunch of losers. Of course he tried too hard in 2017 because he knew that if he gave the ball to the opposing team, his defense would allow them to score. It was a cruel catch-22. Jameis was destroyed in the pocket, many times before he even set up. The Bucs were luck that his injury was not worse.
Running the 9th best an offense in the NFL, with the 4th best passing game, with the worst defense in the NFL on the other side of the ball is impossible. There were 8 teams who allowed their QB to be hit more than Buccaneer QBs, three of those teams had their QBs on the operating tables, GB, Philly, and the Texans.
In 2017, agaist his peers in the NFC-S, Winston had the highest 1st down percentage (was highest in the NFL also) 2nd highest passer rating, 2nd highest YPG, 2nd highest YPP, 2nd highest TD-Int percentage.
What would these stats have done on a team that could have made a stop on defense? I hope James says, thanks but no thanks Bucs.
NFL Records
• Most passing touchdowns in a single game by a rookie quarterback: 5 and the only Rookie QB to pass for 5 TDs and Zero Ints.
• Most passing touchdowns by a rookie quarterback in one half: 4 (tied with Marcus Mariota and Deshaun Watson) (November 22, 2015 vs. Philadelphia Eagles)
• Youngest player to pass for 3,000 yards: (21 years, 342 days) December 13, 2015
• Youngest player to pass for 4,000 yards: (21 years, 363 days) January 3, 2016
• Second youngest player to pass for 10,000 yards: (23 years, 303 days; 4 days older than Drew Bledsoe) November 5, 2017
• Youngest player to pass for 40 touchdowns: (22 years, 312 days) November 13, 2016
• Most seasons of passing for 4,000 yards to begin a career – 2 (2015–2016)
• Most touchdown passes before 24th birthday: 69 (23 years, 360 days) December 31, 2017
May 19th, 2018 at 12:40 pm
BucHead wins the award for the longest run on sentence in the history of JBF!
May 19th, 2018 at 12:41 pm
Joe talks up Mike Florio’s site that is anti Jameis but downplays Pro Football Focus which is followed by NFL coaches and is very high on their analysis of Jameis(including ranking him the number 1 QB under 25 in the NFL) so maybe Tony from Los Angeles is correct.
May 19th, 2018 at 1:02 pm
Repost, please ignore.
tickrdr Says:
January 11th, 2018 at 1:13 pm
Some things I learned en route to looking up other things:
The Bucs scored 335 total points this year. In the three games started by Fitzpatrick, they scored 65 points, for an average of 21.66 ppg. This leaves 270 points in the 13 games played by Jameis Winston, for an average of 20.77 ppg.
The JW3-led Bucs’ offense gained many yards, but does not score enough POINTS. The main reason they had a 9-7 record last year and a five-game winning streak, was that the defense played lights out during that streak, and when that did not happen this year……. 5-11 is the result.
Just to get the crowd riled up, the 2014 MG8-led Bucs scored 105 points in his five games started, for an average of 21 ppg. That was on a team so bad,that they earned the #1 pick in the draft, and before they added all of the “weapons for Winston”. And before someone talks about the lack of a rushing attack, the 2017 Bucs outrushed the 2014 Bucs: 1450 yds to 1375 yds.
tickrdr
May 19th, 2018 at 1:02 pm
TouchDownTampaBay Says:
May 19th, 2018 at 12:40 pm
BucHead wins the award for the longest run on sentence in the history of JBF!
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+1 and Touche!
tickrdr
May 19th, 2018 at 1:38 pm
Let’s find out!!! Cut him and we’ll see!!!
May 19th, 2018 at 1:52 pm
14th in QB rating / 18th in QBR with a hurt shoulder at 24 years old.
If he was a FA when FA began he’d easily have gotten more than Keenum but this is all stupid hypothetical bullsh1t
May 19th, 2018 at 1:58 pm
Yeah bring back Glennon, that is what needs to happen! SMDH! JW five times rallied the offense to a 4th quarter lead and the defense sh1t the bed. Glennon and Fitzpatrick would not have pulled off any of those come from behind drives. Just stop it with the nonsense. If I wasn’t a Buc fan I would want him to leave so bad so you could all cry in your cereal when yet another former Buc QB wins a SB somewhere else.
May 19th, 2018 at 2:01 pm
tickdr
most likely glennon will be available to watch games with you on sunday after his complete and utter failures in tampa and chicago.
May 19th, 2018 at 2:20 pm
It’s not far fetched….until the investigation is done, what team is going to undo what they have in place and then try to put it back together if the investigation leads to a suspension or really bad pr?
After the investigation I think there’s several teams that are interested.
May 19th, 2018 at 2:32 pm
Nfl,
I said Pittsburgh Steelers would be the best place, I don’t see a better fit.
As far the Browns taking JW over Taylor, nope ! You are not following them close enough or the Ravens. Neither of the two would be interested today in JW.
Two completely different reasons why but ultimately both teams would pass.
May 19th, 2018 at 3:15 pm
Jameis loses the ball too much. No team wants that and until he corrects it Florio is right.
May 19th, 2018 at 3:26 pm
Ding ding ding. As I have been saying, we Bucs fans DO live in an echo chamber. Outside of the Buccaneers organization, who obviously has an interest in developing and maintaining Winston as our starting QB, other teams around the league just aren’t all that interested in Jameis.
And no, I don’t see Tom Coughlin taking on Winston and I would think Doug Marrone would be opposed to dumping Bortles for Winston. Sure, the Jags would still look for an upgrade from Bortles, but certainly not for a guy who’s repeatedly shown lack of self control on the football field multiple times throughout his pro career.
May 19th, 2018 at 3:29 pm
Signing Mike Glennon means a team will draft a quarterback in the first round.
May 19th, 2018 at 3:51 pm
I love how people here act like mike Florios opinion is like some actual league wide executive poll.
Lol
May 19th, 2018 at 4:02 pm
Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, and even Lamar Jackson are much more desired and valued by the NFL than is Jameis Winston. I promise you that is the case. Oh and by the way, Case Keenum is a better QB than Jameis Winston, so no John Elway would not shove Keenum aside for Winston.
And no, the Bills would not dump Josh Allen for Jameis Winston, Buffalo is going all in with Allen’s development and would not push him aside for Winston, I guarantee you that. Again people, please try and look at this from other teams perspective with a rational mind, not a Buccaneer and/or FSU fan mindset.
May 19th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
My apology Joe. The article was too negative for me not to make a comment
# go Bucs # Go Rojo
May 19th, 2018 at 4:12 pm
Buy low, while he’s cheap…
I think this upcoming season will be his finest….After he goes off this year he’ll be in line to join the 100 million dollar QB club…
May 19th, 2018 at 4:58 pm
What is Florio smoking?? Thats fuc*#ing ridiculous!! So If Winston was available in this years draft. With all his experience where would he have been selected??? come on hes still very very young. He has shown moments of brilliance and moments of DOH!! Strange its almost as if he is 24 years old. Im calling it here now, he will tear up the league year.Im sure of it and I aint going nowhere if im wrong I will eat crow pies for days..GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 19th, 2018 at 5:19 pm
Thank you Mike Florio and Joe for saying what everyone outside of Tampa thinks. Winston is below average and likely wont be here next year. The the buffoons that say Florio is off his rocker or my favorite “a loon” are just FSU fanboys who wish the guy they propped up so hard for the last four years are just mad because he basically made you all look stupid. Why would J ville take Winston over Bortles when Bortles has better numbers and playoff experience and wins. Jets are just using McCown to groom the future QB which is a smart move considering they aren’t going to win next year anyway. As for the Ravens I wish we would have drafted Lamar Jackson, he will be a better Qb than Loseton and will take the league by storm much like Watson did last year. I’m just glad this will be his last year. Btw Freeman actually took us to a 10 win season on his shoulders and at his peak looked better than Jamarcus Leafwhich ever has. Truth hurts!
May 19th, 2018 at 5:28 pm
As for wins and losses. Last year Fitz 2-1 with no starting reps with receivers he never played with and JW 3-10 with the same team. Hmmm may e would be better off with Fitz short term. If we want to get the best QB next year then please start Winston, he will get us were we need to be. History says so not the stat sheet. If we do good this year it will be because of Licht bringing in the players via draft and free agency not the historically losing in the NFL Winston. Sucks to be wrong FSU!
May 19th, 2018 at 5:50 pm
take your meds, blue.. bettis already addressed that VERY statement.. lmao!!! you need help
May 19th, 2018 at 5:52 pm
jameis would have been a cleveland brown… period… and sam bradford signed for $20 mil 1 year..BWAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA\AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAURPAAAAAAAAAAA…LMAO!! . get outta here, dummies.
May 19th, 2018 at 6:18 pm
JW has to make better reads, be aware of where the pressure is coming from in the pocket, get his timing down better so receivers are getting the ball without having to jump or stop running, unload the ball or dump it off, run when there is an opening.
He makes great throws when he can step into it. He has a good ability to fit it into Windows, he makes good sideline throws. There is something special about his ability to make big plays when under pressure.
His mind has to slow down a little and grasp the importance of making mistakes that lose games.
May 19th, 2018 at 8:06 pm
I think with a running game and a top 15 defense jameis will be fine.everyone forgets he came out of college early and hasn’t had a great amount of talent on the team.i feel like this will be the year that jameis is gonna come alive and have a great year!
May 19th, 2018 at 10:36 pm
Young Jameis would be an upgrade over the situation on several teams. Drop their current guy and start Jameis immediately? Maybe not…but that’s a dumb meaningless conversation to have because that wouldn’t be the thought process for these organizations. I agree with all that you mentioned and here’s some more.
Giants.
Ravens.
Redskins.
Saints.
Bears.
Colts. (How many people seriously think we will ever see the Luck of old?)
Chargers.
Patriots.
All of those teams would strongly consider adding Jameis if the Bucs just decided they were content never having a franchise quarterback and cut him for some unbeknownst reason. Seriously why the hell is this even a conversation.
May 19th, 2018 at 10:38 pm
My goodness Eric you really don’t know anything about football do you? Apparently you missed with Fitz we beat the JETS at home barley and we beat the Dolphins WITH 5 turnovers and a TD from our defense cause Cutler is horrible. My goodness bro you are so clueless on football l, just find a new sport.
May 19th, 2018 at 11:05 pm
Ndog
Great post!
May 20th, 2018 at 12:26 am
Florio can now be considered a hack…with the shortage ofof good QB play in a QB driven league… Winston would be out of work only long enough to make a decision
Totally insane and irrelevant story…what’s even the point of throwing a story like that out there I wonder
May 20th, 2018 at 12:33 am
Ndog it’s great that you are making strides after your traumatic brain injury, pretty soon you will be speaking and maybe within a year you will be able to spell and make complete sentences! Usually I ignore people with such a low IQ but man you are a special kind a stupid!
May 20th, 2018 at 12:51 am
Eric, I completely concur with what you said. Come January 2019 I have a feeling the comment sections on this site will get interesting, I cannot wait to see how the 2019 offseason unfold …
May 20th, 2018 at 1:15 am
Tval,
JW a Cleveland Brown? Do you have any idea why they signed Taylor and Mayfield? I’m guessing no.
JW is the a player, this year, they would have had zero interested in. The new GM
outlined the team’s failures at QB and using metrics to support His direction. JW
doesn’t fit period.
May 20th, 2018 at 1:39 am
Drunkinybor,
If JW was in this year’s draft class…He would be the #1 consensus pick by a wide wide canyon like margin. But that’s not what Florio is saying. If JW was available today the team’s that would be willing to sign him is the situation.
Florio talks to agents, players, coaches and management daily. I’m guessing that He ran the idea by a few people who make those type of decisions. And it’s not surprising at all if no one said JW is on their radar. The fact that JW isn’t available
and the draft was a couple of weeks ago, it’s to be expected that GM’ s and front office guys would support their decisions and automatically say that they have no
interest.
Now if JW were in reality a free agent tomorrow . It’s not so simple as saying they have zero interest in a hypothetical scenario. Make it real and the situation is totally different.
May 20th, 2018 at 7:49 am
What I don’t agree with in florios comment is zero interest if Jameis is let go. However, he’s probably not wrong that teams would be offering much once draft pick compensation or willing to pay him starter salary.
Winston has been a huge disappointment. He’s immature. He still thinks he’s at Florida state. He’s more of a cheer leader than an actual leader. At some point, you have to lead with your play. Words are just words.
Some here evaluate winston as a biast/homer fan. I try to think outside the box. WHEn I watch other QBs like Carr, Goff, wentz, Mariota, Watson, Prescott , etc. I see quicker decision making, accuracy, and they all do a better job seeing the field. Ball is out quicker. Better pocket footwork, and you can see their movement that they’d can look off DBs.
Jameis doesn’t do that. Everything is elongated. Everything is forced. He doesn’t see open receivers Bc he’s dialed in on one read numerous times. Will that happen to every QB? Yes but it’s minimal to the good qbs.
Winston fails to take what’s given to him by defenses. He’lldo it one game and then you ask “why not this week?”
This is a big year for Jameis. HEs been blessed with a stud like Evans since day one. He’s got a solid OL. And more weapons than the QBs I mentioned above.
If I’m tampa, I’m evaluating the 2019 potential QBs. Or I’m thinking of trading for Foles , especially if he gets suspended
May 20th, 2018 at 8:27 am
Chris- Here’s an idea: Why don’t you “think outside the box” and watch the entire team play? Hard for JW to lead the defense and special team units.
All the QB’s you mentioned (Carr, Goff, Wentz, Mariota, Prescott – I’ll exclude Watson since he did not play a complete season) were average to below average without a running game and solid defense. All of them played on better teams than JW.
BTW, the fallacy of Florio’s statement is within the timing. If JW was a free agent or was available for trade prior to the draft, he either would have been the highest paid QB free agent in this years class or would have been worth the top pick in this years draft.
Do you really think Baker Mayfield is a better than JW? If so, you should really stop watching football.
May 20th, 2018 at 9:02 am
Jaboobucs,
Ever think the fact the defense struggled is due rock Jameis giving the ball back to he opposing teams? I was listening to Sirius radio the other day and Winston’s turned it over well over 50 times in 3 years, with last year not being a full season.
Turnovers don’t help defenses either. I’ve watched every throw Winston’s made and I watched a lot of him in college. His sophomore year was horrible and all those TOS the defense was able to capitalize due to talent and competition.
In the nfl you cannot play that way. What’s lucky for him is the offense was able to recover 16 of his 31 fumbles so far. If not, they’d be over 70 turnovers.
May 20th, 2018 at 9:06 am
Also I never included baker mayfield did I ?
So I’d suggest the words not be placed in my mouth.
Your name jaboobucs, speaks volumes of homerism.
We’re all Bucs fans. I want to see this team win. Winston isn’t taking us there from what I’ve seen. He never got better. He still turns it over regardless of how koetter gets in his ear not too.
May 20th, 2018 at 9:14 am
The Baker Mayfield comment was in response to the Florio article stating that no team would want JW.
As for your other comments, yep, I’ll admit to being a homer for the Bucs. JW is the best QB we’ve ever had on this team by a long shot. You claim he hasn’t improved. This is just factually wrong. Statistically last year was his best year and in each year he has shown improvement over the prior.
The last month of this season he was the highest rated passer in the league. Again, worst defense in the league, sub par OLine, and lousy special teams. Fix those areas and this team is a contender.
May 20th, 2018 at 9:59 am
Stats can be flawed. For example the pats game. Pats are up two scores so they played a prevent defense. Yards wise, teams play a bend don’t break. Passing yards are inflated today vs the past when say a brad Johnson was your QB.
If Winston doesn’t start making quicker decisions, especially in the RZ, and reduced his TOS by 50% , the defensive improvements won’t mean a thing. ITs not college. It’s the nfl. Winston in the nfl is in the bottom bottom half of 32 starters. That’s not where you want your number 1 pick to be.
May 20th, 2018 at 10:17 am
Are you referring to the NE game where Nick Folk missed 3 FG’s? He makes 2 and the Bucs win.
JW played well and threw for 334 yards and a TD, no INT’s against a top notch defense. Brady threw for 303, 1 TD and 1 INT against the Bucs defense.
Again, JW is not the problem. He’s young and a work in progress but if you can’t see the potential in this kid its you that has the problem.
May 20th, 2018 at 10:25 am
I guess hearing romo speaking countless times how often Winston didn’t see the open receiver down the field or the lack of timing. He left too many plays on the field.
Also in the second half like I stated the pats got s lead and gave him the yards to march down the field only to tighten up and hone in on his weakness in the red zone where he doesn’t process reads quickly. Hence why they allowed us to make FG opportunities.
May 20th, 2018 at 10:54 am
The point is, he put the team in position to win the game. 3 times he took them down in position to put points on the board. 3 times his kicker let him down.
Plus, your argument doesn’t hold water. He threw for 19 TD’s and over 3500 yards while also missing over 3 and half games. If he had played the full schedule he at his average he would have had over 4K yards and 25 TD’s. That not bad by any stretch. For reference, it’s better than both Cam Newton and Matt Ryan and on par with Drew Brees.
May 20th, 2018 at 8:19 pm
There u go again Bucs Anthem, I should say Jameis HATER!!! Hey did u vote for Hillary? Just wondering? Football is a team game and u act like Jamie’s is an issue. He was the number 1 pick because this TEAM SUCKED! What the heck, they went 9-7 in his 2nd freaking year. Last year CLEARLY he was hurt. What is wrong with u people?
May 20th, 2018 at 10:25 pm
Jimmy T,
You are a tool.
Regards.