Will Extreme Experience Matter?
April 22nd, 2018
Rare relationship
Relevant trivia time!
Entering their fourth straight season as a playcaller/starting QB tandem, where do Dirk Koetter and Jameis Winston rank in the NFC when it comes to time served consecutively in the most important relationship on the football field?
That’s right! No tandem in the NFC has spent more time consecutively in those roles than Koetter and Jameis.
Scott Linehan of the Cowboys has been calling plays for Dallas longer than Dirk Koetter has for the Bucs, but Dak Prescott has only been a starting QB for two seasons.
Jay Gruden with the Redskins? He took time off from calling plays but returned in 2017, and now he has a new starting quarterback in Alex Smith.
Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy? The head coach ditched playcalling duties before vowing never again. He took back playcalling in 2016. In New Orleans, Sean Payton gave way to Pete Carmichael a couple of years ago ending the streak he had with Drew Brees. And Carmichael didn’t miss a beat.
Every year, first-year playcallers thrive. See Koetter in 2015, or Niners and Rams had new ones last year and each put up more points than the Bucs.
Somehow San Francisco did it with C.J. Beathard and Brian Hoyer starting 11 games at quarterback and a lot less receiver talent than Tampa Bay.
The point is the vast majority of playcallers have short lives with their teams, or there is a shakeup or change at quarterback.
Jameis and Koetter should have an advantage in 2018: experience. There are no more palatable excuses for the offense.
April 22nd, 2018 at 10:55 am
Agreed! And Saquon’s addition would provide even less “excuse” for the offense, but would sure help take the pressure off both Koetter and Jameis more!
Go Bucs!
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:01 am
If Winston has to serve a four game suspension or worse and the Bucs win 6 games or less should Koetter be fired or given one more season?
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:02 am
Hopefully that’s gives us an edge against who ever we play. Also hopefully Winston learns to make less turnovers so our defense doesn’t have to be on the most of the time.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:05 am
Jameis looked awesome, at the end of last year, so let’s hope he can keep it up, with an improved team this year.
Let’s hope Koetter figures out a way to involve ALL his offensive talent this year.
OJ Howard and DeSean Jackson are way too good to not be involved in this offense.
I hate the Saints, and really hope we go into their house, and put an Azz Whipping on them.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:10 am
@Marine Buc
Not saying it’s fair or that I agree but I think 813 represents the vast majority of Buc fans…No excuses. Many would not even accept the FACT that losing your starting QB is the very worst thing that can happen to an NFL franchise.
QB IS still the most important position on the field by a LONG way.
If ME13 missed the first four do we suspect that with Godwin, OJ and others our passing game should still roll.
If #3 is out…Fitz is just NOT the same player!!!
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:12 am
If the defense can stop the opponent and the offense control the ball….fans will be happy….coaches look smart and players look good…..but of course it might not be like that…
my read on Joe’s veiled “tune in Tuesday”…could be NFL says….no facts supporting claim….two sides to every con…
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:13 am
BBB
Certainly take your point about how Saquon would take the pressure off of #3.
Not sure about Koetter. Agree that it would give him a critical weapon but then the pressure mounts on DK the play caller to use all of these weapons properly.
I like Koetter’s offensive mind when he’s not handicapped by a lack of talent…or running game so presumable Barkley would just be the missing piece.
If Koetter used MJD that well we can only imagine what he’d do with Barkley.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:18 am
Yes our Defense will be better. Thats not saying it will be enough. This is the NFL and other teams have tweeked their teams as well. I’m concerned about the coaching and schemes. Especially on Defense. Us being able to..set other players up for big plays when those double team occur..as they will on Defense. Fellow Buc fans, WE..have run out of excuses! Its time to WIN. Other teams plug in backups when injuries hit’em. And we gotta do the same. Winning is all that matters. Batter up Koetter and Smitty.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:25 am
Best offensive combo in Bucs History!!
Remember Shula? omg. So boring! Remember Olsen? So boring!!!
This is the most exciting Bucs offense since Blount was here!
Go Bucs!
PS- Jacquizz Rogers is too thick and too slow. I love him but he needs to go. Dirk is being too loyal again.
Ade Aruna in the 3rd Round!! Please!
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:25 am
A thought related to JBF posters.
Why do so many folks in America now days feel the need to use ad hominem and insults directed at other folks. Is that really entertaining or satisfying?
I guess I’m old and was raised by my parents to have better manners. I realize that some here consider that to be “wussified”. That’s where we are in our nation. Being kind or courteous is a sign of weakness and launching ridiculous ad hominem personal attacks is the “brave” thing to do or “telling it like it is”.
In addition to simply showing boorish manners when you call other posters idiots, or worse, it reflects on your own lack of critical thinking skills contained in your post. That’s what bothers me most. Not trying to whine too much because we are also blessed to have many thoughtful, well informed guys here as well.
Some here should have taken the name Pee Wee Herman. We could then all respond maturely….”I know you are but what am I.”
I try to refrain from labeling people I disagree with as some loser. If I have failed whichever poster felt attacked I apologize.
BTW I do read posts and think…what a moron..lol…I simply do not respond or I try to present some countervailing facts. Telling them I think they are morons is irrelevant anyway. Opinions are like #$&&* we all have one.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:26 am
Will their experience together translate to scoring points? Because thats the main problem with the offense.
The number of yards the offense gains doesnt mean anything when you have to settle for missed FG…
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:33 am
Experience together should be a big positive…..by now, Koetter ought to understand fully what Jameis’ capabilities are….his strengths and weaknesses.
I think it is quite obvious that he has problems delivering the deep ball….and no, it has nothing to do with his timing with Djax….he had never delivered it well to anyone.
The other weakness is decision making due to his rabid competitiveness….That can’t really be taught….but can eventually be learned by Jameis….or at least somewhat mitigated.
Like I have said….Give Jameis a running game and just a halfway decent defense and he will bring a championship to Tampa Bay.
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:27 pm
I’m hoping Koetter has it figured out this year, I really do.
Dirk has shown he makes some really boneheaded decisions when calling plays more often than not and that has been one of the most frustrating things to watch, especially since he’s supposed to be an offensive genious (I’ve not seen it). The redzone has been atrocious and even player personell has been a real head scratcher when calling plays at times.
None of this matters if Jameis is suspended anyhow.
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:31 pm
TBBF, yes, please give Jameis any semblance of a run game and an upgrade from Sweezy…flood gates might just explode.
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:40 pm
SP. that’s the world we live in now. Don’t have anything to bring to the table? throw insults at people. I think the ages of members show after reading a couple posts. You can tell who is old school and you can tell who is elementary school.
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:09 pm
I put little stock in Gruden, McCarthy and Payton temporarily giving up the play calling and taking it back. It’s still the same offense. I would put changing OCs over playcallers. Different verbage and terminology. With that said, Winston should know the offense better than most other QBs.
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:14 pm
@StPete … “Why do so many folks in America now days feel the need to use ad hominem and insults directed at other folks.” Americans opened Pandora’s Box when Facebook, Twitter & other ‘social media’ were thrust upon us St Pete. Takes a lot more courage to chastise someone face-to-face than it does to pound out a few insults on a keyboard & hide behind a pseudonym. Wasn’t it Bobby Dylan who sang ‘the times they are a changin’ StPete? And that was 50 years ago … BEFORE the internet & social media came into our lives.
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:37 pm
Koetters playcalling took a pretty dramatic turn toward conservative the last two seasons, his first as being a head coach. I think he needs to find a way to have his head in the playbook for during games or turn over playcalling duties.
Koetter is dynamite calling plays when he’s 100 percent tuned in. Head coaching duties have obviously had an influence on his in game mindset
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:52 pm
Joe can you imagine that type.of pocket protection Jameis will have with both O.J. and Saquoan?! If we get Saquoan then Jameis has no excuses on why he should throw interceptions or incompletions because with those 2 to add protection he would have all the time in the world to throw the ball!
April 22nd, 2018 at 2:26 pm
941, are we trying to win games or give Winston no excuses? Two different mindsets.
April 22nd, 2018 at 2:38 pm
BucEmup, good point!
April 22nd, 2018 at 4:59 pm
JOE
According to one of your previous posts, it is likely going to be Fitzpatrick & Koetter on opening day so what does it matter?
-Concerned Bucs fan
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:15 pm
@D.R.
I do not disagree but you sure can make a guy feel old…LOL 50 years ago!!!!
@Dewey
That’s a great line. Read guys here long enough and you figure which ones are old school and which ones are elementary school. Great line.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:34 pm
What scares me about them being together so long is. Either jameis will never change his carelessness with the football. Because koetter has had more than enough time to work on this with jameis and get it into his head that sometimes it’s better just to throw the ball away or take the sack. Or that koetter is just that bad of a coach and not changing his gameplan to fit his qbs strengths and keeps putting him in situations to fail. Either way it doesn’t look good to have this much continuity between offensive coordinator/head coach and qb. To keep getting same results every year. So I just don’t think it is going to work between them. Like joe said so many new coordinators have instant success and for these 2 to not truly click after three seasons is not a good sign. But I hope this year will be the year that we use more intermediate routes and stop with all the deep balls. Jameis is at his best in the 2 minute just quick short timing throws. He gets in trouble on longer developing plays when the pressure starts coming and he has to Adlib. Just seems like every game he doesn’t get into a rhythm until second half. Come out with so easy scripted throws early and let him get a rhythm then open the field up. Just my opinion from what is see every Sunday.
April 25th, 2018 at 1:40 pm
Exactly Lamarcus. I”m pretty sure a guy who started in the NFL at 21 with only 2 years of college football, who”s setting records in the NFL for a crap team can figure out what works best for him and the team. Seifert, Kirwin, King, Simms, or anyone else can”t come close to knowing Jameis like Jameis. He”s one of a kind, and time will judge him well. Impatience is a bad trait when judging an individual on a bad team.Especially a QB. Why the jury is still out on Jameis is only because of his media driven reputation. Any other QB with his stat line so far would be heralded among the best to start a career. With Jameis it”s “garbage time yards. His fumbles and pick”s are “boneheaded. Yet, another QB would be “trying to hard to compensate for a lousy supporting cast. Like I”ve said before, Jameis, Antonor, and T”ola couldn”t care less what any of these paid uninformed hacks have to say. They know the work put in, and payoff to come. Jameis will go down as one of the all time greats, much to the chagrin of the majority on these pages, and the country as a whole. It”s cool. I like him, and can”t wait for him to shove their opinions down their throats. It”s coming. Lions don”t pay attention to sheep. Hell, Jameis can”t even hear ”em. He”s his own man. Give this guy a running threat, and a defense that cares, and watch the wins roll in. For years.