Vita Vea Overrated?
April 21st, 2018
NFL analyst frowns.
One busy NFL draft analyst isn’t of the mind that Washington defensive tackle Vita Vea is all that.
Ben Fennell, who researches the draft for NFL Network, isn’t ready to anoint Vea as, say, the next Warren Sapp.
Having studied film of Vea and watching him play in person several times, Fennell believes Vea is as much of a product of taking advantage of lesser opponents as making plays from his skillset.
@BenFennell_NFL: I’ve felt this way since the fall with Vita Vea (also covered 2 games in person this season too – Fiesta Bowl & Arizona State) … Extremely powerful/strong in combination with freakish footwork. But isn’t refined in technique/pad level/hand usage. Survived w/ brute strength. … Consistently plays way too high. Doesn’t have an explosive gear or twitch. His hump move is fun – but he also misses it often and there’s little counter off it. Really doesn’t have any moves like a swat/club rip. Loses a step later in game… Plenty of highlights against those [BS] vertical sets in the Pac12 where he just bulls an OG straight backward.
Now Joe watched recently the Fiesta Bowl game where Washington got boatraced by Penn State.
Joe wasn’t particularly watching Vea, though he did flash in a few plays. But Vea didn’t dominate the way, say, Ndamukong Suh did at Nebraska, where he played like a man among children.
Joe wouldn’t be shocked if the Bucs draft Vea if the draft doesn’t go their way. Clearly Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht wants to beef up the line and we have to remember that stud defensive tackle Gerald McCoy is 30 years old.
GMC is a helluva lot closer to the end of his Bucs days than the beginning. Sooner or later, someone has to replace GMC. Could Vea be that guy?
And if so, perhaps we should remember Fennell’s words.
$20 all-you-can-eat buffet kicks off at 6 p.m. and runs all night long. Be there!!
April 21st, 2018 at 9:07 am
Misdirection, someone in the the late first round wants him.. Ala Sam Wyche’s entourage floating the dope rumors about Sapp to let him drop pat the Eagles to the Bucs back in ’93… Predictable draft week diversion…..
April 21st, 2018 at 9:09 am
“GMC is a helluva lot closer to the end of his Buc days than the beginning.”
Music to my ears!!!
April 21st, 2018 at 9:18 am
Hope not @ 7….big 3 gone then either James or Fitz…the DL was addressed if FA…gotta close the backdoor….change of subject I saw the USC RB interview….he has a head on his shoulders I was impressed with his interview
April 21st, 2018 at 9:20 am
This is where coaching comes in. Coaching him up with new moves and counters. The question is: do we want a guy at 7 that needs to be coached up? They all do to a point, but I haven’t really paid attention to the development of technique of DTs from college to the pros so this may be normal, especially for a guy of his size and strength.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:22 am
” as much of a product of taking advantage of lesser opponents as making plays from his skillset.”
I thought he was going to talk about GMC!!!! GMC has declining stats for the last 3 years!!!!!! GMC will get worse not better!!!!!! And the rest of the D-line is different, but we have no idea how the D-line will perform!!!! But we do know it is very difficult to Build a good D-line solely from Free-Agency!!!!! Keep Building the D-line because it is not complete!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 21st, 2018 at 9:26 am
Trade up for DT Ed Oliver/Houston in 2019 draft.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:27 am
AlteredEgo, we did sign Beau Allen in FA, but it seems like we always believe that FA signings fix needs. I don’t believe adding Allen means we can’t draft a DT high. Maybe if Allen was promised a certain % of snaps in order to sign, then Licht would look elsewhere. Other than that I still think we should draft DL every year at some point in the drafts. Can’t have enough DLman.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:30 am
Fortmyerdave,
Quick question. Is fort Myers the emerging leader in hallucinogens manufacturing?
This isn’t a report on a rumor, it’s one person’s evaluation. If you think it’s confusing to tell the difference between a rumor and an evaluation. Hint,
unsubstantiated failed drug test, character flaws, mean to old people and animals,
these are rumors. Pad level, one move, short arms, …these are evaluations.
BTW, it’s not like this is news or new to anyone who has spent time to scout him.
I think it’s new to many reporter’s and talking heads but that’s expected. Because they don’t lose their job because they failed to pick the right players.
Vea is a code word for “I don’t know squat, I like other people to think I do, I steal opinions from espn and say it’s my work” and “I absolutely suck”.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:34 am
Don’t get me wrong, I like Vea and think in a few years he will be a solid DT. However I think serious consideration should be paid to more vital needs. I believe Licht did a good job this offseason on the DL, and I am curious about the injury rebound that Stevie T gives us. Though a 7th rd pick he was slated as a real disrupter. I don’t see Vea as Sapp reincarnated. Basically we need to focus on RB, O-line, CB, and Edge rusher first and can’t use 7 as a luxury pick for an already improved D-line.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:47 am
If we did draft him, we have a Buckner who could probably coach him up good. I know he has had success with vets but I bet he would LOVE to mold a rising talent like Vea. And like we all say…GMC93 ‘aint gonna be here forever. BUT NOT AT #7
April 21st, 2018 at 9:49 am
Da’Ron Payne is closer to Sapp’s measurables.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:51 am
Please pass on Vea. I’ve seen tape on this guy and he does play too high.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:52 am
Every rumor starts with one thought thrown upon the wall Duke! Only a dullard would not see the motivation unless you are in the jock of the athlete who is being dragged down…. Just stating facts Duke. You like the kid, great! Lovie also loved one Johnny Manziel. turned out good for him….
April 21st, 2018 at 9:58 am
Yes he’s overrated, practically speaking he’s Star Lotulelei 2.0
April 21st, 2018 at 10:02 am
Have no fear, Buc Fans just love over rated Defensive Tackles….
April 21st, 2018 at 10:09 am
Payne from bama is much better
April 21st, 2018 at 10:14 am
Would make me happy. Gotta keep building the TRENCHES. He’s worth the pick imo. Then I’d grab Landry with the 2nd pick. Oline after that. Seriously.
Fix the TRENCHES FIX the Bucs
#NOexcuses2018
April 21st, 2018 at 10:14 am
Wow that sounds like he is talking about McCoy in regards to great ability but little production.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:15 am
Duke
Fort Myers Dave is not hallucinating, perhaps he read Rick Stroud in “The Times” this morning.
Stroud related how he had been duped (lied to) by Lovie into reporting the Bucs were taking Manziel 7th that year and nothing about ME13. I did not understand this story. I do not know why folks drafting in the top ten need any smoke screens other than to confuse GM’s drafting behind them.
But in the case of Vea Dave may be correct. You are correct Duke in that it was presented as on pundits “opinion”. Stroud presented his “opinion” and learning much later after the fact that Lovie had lie and was simply “working” him.
How do we know this guy hasn’t been “worked”?
April 21st, 2018 at 10:18 am
Overrated? Possibly but the same is true for the big three everyone is begging the bucs to take. He’s not overrated for where he’s projected to be drafted and would be Worthy of a mid first round pick
April 21st, 2018 at 10:21 am
I have read variations of Fennell’s “scouting” across the draft sites but very few come to his conclusion and some actually arrive at the opposite.
The consensus take on Vea is that he’s has this incredible talent but is still very raw in terms of technique. Does that make him a bad choice or perhaps a diamond in the rough who really needs to get coached up?
Notice Fennell’s description of Vea’s physical skill set…size speed etc…the kind of things that CANNOT BE COACHED are all excellent.
Every criticism made by Fennell was technique oriented. And so the question for us is do we believe our new DL coach can mine that diamond and cash in on Vea’s enormous upside.
IMHO if we take Vea at 7 I’m going to assume Licht has consulted with Buckner and believes Buckner’s coaching cred and his ability to fire guys up and get the most out them will make Vea a star in this league.
By star I DO NOT MEAN WARREN SAPP…there is only one Sapp and it’s time for his peeps to truly understand that…stop wasting time looking for the next Sapp!
However…if Buckner could get Vea to perform as well as Booger McFarland…or even Brad Culpepper…he would be worth a 7th pick.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:26 am
Overrated and not appropriate for our defensive scheme. Hard pass.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:28 am
Duke you stole my comment. What makes it even funnier is that FortMyers actually comes back at you with an even worse reply. He just doesn’t seem competent enough to differentiate between unbiased talent evaluators with no skiin in the game and NFL execs and scouts that are inclined to mislead.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:32 am
Vita Vea was never supposed to be Sapp-like or a sack machine. He is a wall. An immovable object.
He doesn’t even play the same position as Sapp or Suh.
The question should be, is he better than Booger McFarlance was? Because that;s the spot he’d play in. And the answer is? Yes.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:33 am
meh Says
“Overrated and not appropriate for our defensive scheme.”
Would love to know how you came to that conclusion. He’s a run stopper in a spot where the Bucs have always put run stoppers when successful. Better than Booger was coming out.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:35 am
@StPeteBucsfan
That smoke screen was actually pretty good!!!! It was a good ploy because those in the know, knew that Johnny Football was a disaster!!!!!!! But loser lovie was a big enough buffoon that he might actually do it!!!!!!!!! I mean he gifted the starting job to old man mccown!!!!!!!!!! What you are trying to do is get a bigger buffoon jump in front of the Bucs and grab Johnny Football then that will just bring one more “real” football player for the Bucs to select from!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 21st, 2018 at 10:36 am
Coaching and development.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:45 am
Hard to teach anyone to be 6’5″ & 332 lbs with exceptional strength & very good quickness. Buckner can ‘probably’ teach him what he needs to know … given those measurables … to be a successful DT in the NFL.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:46 am
@Buc Bonazi
He played all over the line, including 3-tech and DE!!!!! What I saw most was other teams, game planning away from him!!!!!!!! I saw mostly double teams, and even Triple teams with a guard, Tackle and TE combos!!!!!!!! If you want to free up the Linebackers, then he is the man!!!!! Do you want to stop Brees stepping up in the pocket pushing him sideways to the DE’s then he is the guy!!!!!! You can still get a great RB in the Second, Guard by moving up to the third round, and piece together the secondary as best they can!!!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 21st, 2018 at 10:48 am
Ol’ BrownEye…only his analysis counts while questioning others. Tired. Pick #7 is feeling like a Close But No Cigar Club membership.
April 21st, 2018 at 10:53 am
There are some things you can/can’t coach. Pad level is one of them. So are positional “moves” like the club, swip, rip, etc. But short area quickness- including hands and feet are very hard to simply coach-up. The book on Vea is pretty consistent. He’s a powerful wall of a human being who moves very well for his considerable girth. He’s a textbook NT in a 3-4. A space eater. As a 3 or 5 technique in a 4-3, I worry that he’s a little to vertical and slow off the snap. That being said, Smitty is dreaming about a Stroud/Henderson scenario here with McCoy/Vea and i think the team is VERY, VERY high on him. Do not be shocked if he is the pick at 7 if the big 3 are gone.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:06 am
He would be to our defensive line rotation what Nelson would be for our offensive line dominant.
Would be hard to run on us but that may be scary considering the corners on our roster but making offenses one dimensional could go a long way. I think work the talent on board I’d be ok with about any top talent at any position except corner not because I don’t think they can develop talent but because of the choices they make of who they take at corner. There are about 5 different guys I would be just fine with us drafting and Vea is one of them
April 21st, 2018 at 11:12 am
Frank
I agree 100%. We always talk about the “big three”. Like you I wouldn’t be surprised if Licht has Vea in his “big four”.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:15 am
Fortmyers,
You’re right about to start a rumor it’s got to be put out there….But how is relevant to the team?
Basically just answer, what is the rumor? Who is it misdirecting ?
April 21st, 2018 at 11:17 am
BTW As a journalism major…someone who worked in broadcast journalism for two decades..who actually made a study of trying to be objective…
I believe I can state unequivocally that there is NO such thing as an “unbiased opinion”.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:22 am
Some good DTs available this year.
If we can’t get Nelson or Chubb – I hope we trade down for multiple picks and wind up selecting a DT from this year’s crop with one of those picks.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:23 am
What a waisted pick.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:24 am
Vea is not overrated. How to you spell..Smokescreen time?! He’s gonna be a very good NFL Baller for years to come. I will tell you this though, about 2or 3 of the so called top NFL QB prospects are overrated grossly.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:26 am
Duke
That is an interesting question. I assume Lovie’s spin was just a general attempt to devalue ME so he would still be on the board. Picking that high seems to me that it’s futile…six teams ahead of us are going to pick THEIR guy regardless of who the Bucs think the best players are .
However in a case of a player like Vea who is projected to go mid to late first round…a team drafting 20 or so might want to spread all kinds of misinformation about such a player hoping nobody ahead of them would take him….like say the Bucs. And so pundits like Fennell need access to GM’s and would value any one of the 32 GM’s opinion.
Imagine for example Licht was drafting late and wanted to do that…he would simply get Joe aside and give Joe a “scoop” and Joe would more than likely run with this inside tidbit. No disrespect to Joe or Fennell it’s just the way the game is played and Stroud at least has come to grips with his part in the charade.
BTW Duke….I don’t due halucigens but I did consider yesterday a national holiday. LOL So my opinion is suspect.
Not saying this DID happen just suggesting that it could have.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:28 am
The cautionary here is Tyson Alualu. Good player, not great. Drafted high.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:29 am
due=do of course. Wish I could blame that on weed but I gotta be honest.
As I grew older I started messing up on the homonyms. I frequently see my posts with stupid uses of they’re their…there.
A poster I had on my wall while I was still working.
“Growing old is not for sissies”.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:33 am
Thank you for confirmation on my take
…this guy did nothing in games I saw….very overrated
April 21st, 2018 at 11:34 am
IMO Vea will be good but not great and definitely not worth a first round pick, especially since we addressed the D line in free agency, I cant see us taking a interior D lineman before the 5th round. If we trade back I would rather draft a number of players ahead of Vea. Thank God we had some gains in free agency so we won’t be stuck drafting a two down nose tackle in first round. Those of you infatuated with Vea, although not as many as there were several weeks ago, fear not, we can pick him up after 4 years for about 5 mill a year to rotate on our D line
April 21st, 2018 at 11:37 am
If Big 3 are gone pick has to be Derwin James . Him and Kwon leading our defense, talk about DAWG !
April 21st, 2018 at 11:44 am
Rember hearing that this year only has about 15 players who are legitimate first round players? I sure do!! Thats why staying at 7 and getting a legit starter is paramount.
April 21st, 2018 at 11:46 am
Ok, serious question to ask you draft vea fans in the first? What would you do with Allen and Unrein?… And don’t say trade they cause that would be idiotic, not to mention discredit you as a gm. All future Fa’s would believe that dude for nothing. He plays NT so don’t say anything about McCoy , again idiotic…. Wait I know we draft him in the first to have the best goal line package in the league! We still don’t know what Stevie T can do. Plus our needs in the first are way higher than NT. Now it’s actually circulated about his questionable transition to NFL. You hear anyone saying that about Neelam?
April 21st, 2018 at 12:19 pm
@Realbucfan941 … “Ok, serious question to ask you draft vea fans in the first? What would you do with Allen and Unrein?” Wrong question Realbucfan. More realistic question: ‘What would Bucs do with GMC next year if they have Allen & Vea?’ 2018 is the last year of dead CAP money for GMC & his contract runs through 2021 at an average of around $13 mil per year (including roster bonus). He’s now 30. Not hard to do the math. And yes, I’m a big advocate for drafting GMC’s replacement this year (Vea or Payne … I like them both), but keeping GMC until next year (when we have several big $$$ contracts due).
April 21st, 2018 at 12:26 pm
D.R.
I certainly like your strategy. I’m not a GMC hater but reality is starting to set in with age and cost.
Would you be willing to keep GMC if he negotiated a new more team friendly contract? Don’t know if his agent would go for that but it’s clear GMC does not need any more money and he seems to be a grounded dude who still has some genuine values left. IE He may actually consider Tampa as home.
I agree though it’s hard to justify his expense going forward especially if we get Vea and he lives up to his abilities.
April 21st, 2018 at 12:55 pm
Bucs are drafting a DB if the Big 3 are off the board and no good trade offers are made.
I’m pretty sure Derwin James is the pick in that unfortunate case. Minkah and Ward are outside possibilities IMO but are still possibilities.
I say “unfortunate” because if we can’t get Nelson, Chubb or Barkley at #7 – then a trade down for extra later picks would be a fantastic use of the high draft equity value that the #7 overall pick holds – courtesy of our kick in the nuts 5-11 results last year.
If things fall that way and James is the pick – I will not be “upset” – just a little disappointed that we couldn’t maximize the 1500 point value that #7 pick carries.
James is a GREAT prospect. Don’t get me wrong. He’s got Eric Berry like potential IMO. He’s got that “swag” to him in a similar way to Kwon that is badly needed on the Buccaneer defense and he’s one HELL of an athlete that will make plays all over the field. He’s also a near perfect complement at SS to our 2nd rd pick last in FS Justin Evans. Those two are going to wreak havoc over the middle for years to come if paired together.
BUT – he’s a safety….. that’s the thing. Very good safeties can often times be found in the 2nd and 3rd rounds…
Just for perspective – our #7 overall pick this year carries more draft equity “value” than our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rd picks from last year combined. Who did we get with those “later” picks last year? OJ Howard, Justin Evans and Chris Godwin! That’s who.
Licht knows what the hell he’s doing when it comes to finding good players within the top 100. Moreso than most GMs as evidenced thus far.
Give this GM multiple top 100 picks to work with in a draft which is strongest position wise at the very positions the Buccaneers seem to have need for – (namely RB, CB, OG and DT) – and watch how quickly our multiple “holes” get filled with talented young players.
We NEED to trade down as long as we can get relative value based on the draft trade chart(s) for doing so. Almost regardless of who is on the board frankly the more I think about it.
Which would be more benefit to this franchise – Barkley? or Hernandez, Jaire Alexander and Rashaad Penny for the same “draft value?
Are we better off drafting “generational” OL stud Nelson? or trading down and getting Sony Michel, Ragnow and Josh Sweat for the same “draft value”??
These are very important questions that Licht needs to be asking himself as draft day looms ever closer…
April 21st, 2018 at 1:09 pm
StPete,
Thank you for your detailed reply. I have a much better idea of how , maybe, some fans arrive at their opinion. Let me explain.
You made a very interesting comment ‘re how the evaluation was divided into two sections. One is measurables the other , trying to stay true to your idea, areas to be”coached up”. Also, I assume that this is as close to an actual scouting report
as you have seen. Because there is zero wrong with it. It’s not exceptional in any way, thin and things are missing but that’s not odd.
I’ll get to the point, that evaluation is not insightful nor educational enough to be
a source material. It’s 1+1=2 when the team’s requirement is calculus. So it’s not credible and even if it was….. every team has multiple evaluations of a player submitted by a number of people. They all submit their own evaluations and conclusions. Seldom does everyone agree on a player, when it does….you get “generational talent” thrown out there.
If there is a team who is reading nfl networks #208th draft expert and taking it as gold ….
It could only be the browns. No one and I mean no one , team, asks reporters for their evaluations. It’s so far south of stupid to even take it serious.
Ancient aliens is retarded stupid but I am going to rethink my opinion on it.
Because if sports fans can disappear down the rabbit hole and believe that it’s a conspiracy to rate a player all over the map then there’s something to it.
April 21st, 2018 at 1:16 pm
GMC is a GOD!
April 21st, 2018 at 1:25 pm
@Frank Pillow:
Awesome comment, dude.
NOTE: Licht has a history of backing up his top FAgents with high draft picks. Would not be surprised to see DT as a draft focus.
ALSO, the Bucs’ defensive philosophy has changed under Smith. He wants larger linemen and more athletic DBs. Hope the philosophy doesn’t change again next year. . .
April 21st, 2018 at 2:30 pm
Duke
Take your points but just to be clear. I’m not arguing that it did happen simply suggesting that it “could” happen because it has in happened in the past as illustrated by Rick Stroud this morning.
Certainly accept though if you think Fennell is head and shoulders above Stroud.
Maybe Stroud is just particularly gullible.
April 21st, 2018 at 3:10 pm
StPete … I love having GMC on our team. IMO he’s very underappreciated by Bucs’ fans, mostly because our teams since 2010 have been, shall we say ‘mediocre’. Problem is that he makes way too much money for what he brings to the table … at this point in his career. We’re fortunate that the cap has increased as rapidly as it has, or GMC would’ve been gone by now IMO.
Bucs can only afford to keep X number of high rollers. There’ll be a ‘reckoning’ next year when contracts for Kwon, Marpet, D Smith and Jameis come due, as well as several others (like Humphries & Fitzpatrick or his successor). Hard choices ahead, and if Bucs draft GMC’s replacement, that becomes a relatively easy choice.
And Pickgrin, I really doubt that Licht will draft James if the Big-3 are off-the-board. I think he’d jump at the chance to trade down (even if he didn’t get total value in doing it) just to recoup our 3rd Rnd pick (with maybe something else thrown in). Even if he doesn’t trade down, I could see him drafting Vea, or Hernandez, or Guice/Michel, or a CB (still not sure who the Bucs favor there). We NEED a SS, but that’s down the list a ways in terms of needs IMO.
April 21st, 2018 at 3:43 pm
DR – when are you going to accept that our GM (thankfully) does not lazer focus on “need” when drafting – especially in the 1st round?
I know that’s not what YOU prefer as you have made that clear many times – but standard drafting logic says the best long term strategy for most any NFL team is to draft BPA whenever possible. Especially in early rounds.
It’s great when serious “need” meets BPA perfectly with a player that drops to you (as the case with either Nelson or Barkley would be this year) but when that doesn’t work out just right – as it often doesn’t when you are on the clock – you have to give serious weight to the question of “Who is the best football player on my Big Board at this moment – and do we have a relative need there?”
If Chubb, Nelson and Barkley are off the board – and no decent trade down offers come – the answers to those question will be “Derwin James” and Yes”.
April 21st, 2018 at 4:47 pm
Pickgrin, just a handful of days & we’ll both know who’s right. Come to think of it, we have so many NEEDS we’ll probably BOTH be right no matter who Licht drafts.
April 21st, 2018 at 5:41 pm
Vita Vea is near the top of my wishlist…its pretty much Chubb, Nelson, Vea, Landry etc.
April 21st, 2018 at 5:42 pm
Personally, I don’t try to predict the picks. I just have a wishlist and if any of those players are picked, I’m happy. I usually get 2-4 guys off my entire list.
April 21st, 2018 at 6:41 pm
I like Vea as a NT, but I would much rather get someone with some type of pass rush ability.
I am really starting to like DT Taven Bryan. He would be a great candidate to eventually replace McCoy. Also Taven Bryan can line up at an end position.
April 21st, 2018 at 7:34 pm
No such thing as overrated or underated for any of these prospects.
Just looking at our recent drafts VHIII was overrated while Kwon was underrated. They could prove otherwise as their careers playoit too.
Vae cannot be overrated until he proves it.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:36 pm
Defense rules
What part of vea being a nose tackle did you not catch? Do you even know McCoy doesn’t play NT? He is what is called a 3 technique which Vea does not play not would he play. This isn’t Madden dude. How would we be drafting his replacement. Please explain.
April 21st, 2018 at 9:37 pm
*not
April 21st, 2018 at 9:44 pm
I been telling these guys on here about vita vea for six months and joe can back me up on that!a one trick pony,no pass rush moves,a bum!no vita vea!!
April 21st, 2018 at 10:55 pm
Just for fun
What if we picked up Vea for our goal line offense?
He has played fullback in the past
At 6’5” and 332 he would be one of the biggest if not the biggest fullback in the history of the game
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:39 am
StPete,
Ok I see your point. And what you are describing , a coach knowing providing a reporter with false information about who they have rated as #1, is not unusual about this time of year. If Rick Stroud breaks the story……..well..
As I said, the situation is entirely different. Team’s at this point have their homework done on a player. The trick is to not allow the other teams to know about it. Since no team’s were involved and no information detrimental to veas value was put out, there is no scenario where it should be entertained.
I think that at the same time this story came out, Bucky Brooks was on air stating vea is the most underrated player. Same network two sides of the situation.
I don’t recall which poster said that teams game planned around vea , but that’s nonsense.
April 22nd, 2018 at 3:11 am
Pickgrin,
Well done Sir! I think you’re spot on.
This is when GM’ s seperate themselves from their peers. JL has the opportunity to right a perceived wrong, winning the last game, yet hasn’t done so nor is his critics asking him to do so. Which taken together is mind boggling.
I think it’s interesting how many fans believe that winning is the most important thing then turn around and blame the team for winning a game. If the win is meaningless then there’s no loss that can be claimed. This isn’t rocket science, but it seems like it.
But let’s dismiss that massive oversight in logic and agree to the point. The issue with faulty logic, is that the errors continue to pile up until you realize that the underlying assumptions that have to be present to balance that equation are simply a foolish dream. a non entity. Why because they don’t exist, or more to the point, haven’t been proven to exist in the past.Yet, amazingly a long line of fans believe that it’s a given without having the slightest bit of info to validate their faith. Blind faith is the best way to describe it.
In this case it’s winning the last game that cost the team this year, because the team dropped two spots down the order. If that’s true, then why do these same people now believe that it’s get player x or trade down for additional picks. I think it’s quite clear that there is a disconnect between the stated cause and effect and the solution to it. Yet, amazingly this point is lost in conversation.
If the team used each and every draft pick to select a kicker, is that going to be universally agreed upon by the end of the draft , that this is a colossal failure, a blatant act of stupidity? I think it’s safe to say yes. I don’t believe that anyone would not agree.
Not so fast………….because there’s a way to prove that it’s not a colossal failure or a bad decision. If you can’t see it, it doesn’t mean it can’t exist.