Three Corners Off The Board
April 27th, 2018
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There stood chiseled Brent Grimes at the Miller Lite Bucs Uncensored/JoeBucsFan draft party last night.
As Grimes played cornhole and mingled with fans, Joe wanted to cover the guy in bubble wrap and hire him a bodyguard.
It’s that scary for the Bucs at cornerback right now. The thought of almost 35-year-old Grimes getting hurt is chilling.
(Memo to Dirk Koetter: Please don’t play Grimes more than a couple of series in the preseason. He should sit three of the four games.)
With the selection of defensive tackle Vita “Maui” Vea in the first round last night, the Bucs defensive focus has to come out of the trenches and they certainly don’t need a linebacker. It’s all cornerback and the time is now with three second-round picks tonight, Nos. 38, 53 and 56 overall.
Trade up if you must. Turn those two last picks into one. But there’s no reason the Bucs don’t walk out of the second round with a cornerback and a running back.
Need should rule the round.
Jason Licht has the juice to address his biggest needs and then put his feet up until tomorrow’s fourth round, or maybe swing a deal to jump into a late third-round pick, as they did last year with Kendell Beckwith.
As for the available cornerbacks, Denzel Ward (Browns), Jaire Alexander (Packers) and Mike Hughes (Vikings) are off the board.
Ballhawk Joshua Jackson from Iowa is out there with eight interceptions on his 2017 resume. So is smaller but speedier Donte Jackson from LSU, who had just four picks in three seasons as a starter.
Man, if the Bucs can lock down Jackson, Joe sure will sleep better tonight.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:10 am
No trading up. Three picks in the second round means three guaranteed starters. No CB left on the board is worth more than a single second round pick.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:11 am
Isiah Oliver might be the best suited for the pro game.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:16 am
CB x2 and an RB in this round (I don’t care what order)…Landry will be tempting at DE too
April 27th, 2018 at 8:16 am
Rb-Cb-Safety
Fourth round- Guard and DE
Hope Licht leaves the picks where the are.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:20 am
Going by Gil Brandt’s rankings these are the top 20 remaining players at positions of need for the Bucs:
1) Will Hernandez, OG
2) Connor Williams, OG
3) Josh Jackson, CB
4) Derrius Guice, RB
5) Nick Chubb, RB
6) Harold Landry, DE
7) Donte Jackson, CB
8) Tyrell Crosby, OG
9) Carlton Davis, CB
10) Isaiah Oliver, CB
11) Ronald Jones, RB
12) Orlando Brown, OT
13) Ronnie Harrison, S
14) Justin Reid, S
15) Jessie Bates, S
16) Kerryon Johnson, RB
17) Brian O’Neill, OT
18) Austin Corbett, OG
19) Sam Hubbard, DE
20) Rasheem Green, DE
April 27th, 2018 at 8:22 am
BPA! Hopefully one of these 5 are available with the 6th pick in round 2: Will Hernandez, Sam Hubbard, Harold Landry, Derrius Guice, Joshua Jackson.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:26 am
the hell with that…
take og hernandez or rb guice if possible…definitely draft a cb in the second round…
and hire ronde as a paid specialist to fix hargreaves
April 27th, 2018 at 8:28 am
the bucs better draft a RB and a CB in the worst way
April 27th, 2018 at 8:30 am
Joe you sound like a hypocrite. You claim the Bucs can’t coach young corners, Licht goes and gets two extra picks for tonight and a stud DT, and now you’re complaining that 3 CBs are off the board. Can’t have it both ways! Of course they’ll draft CB and RB tonight.
Nice inventing there. Nowhere does Joe “complain” about three corners being off the board, merely sharing who is where. BOTH Joes are down on the Bucs defensive backs coaches, but that doesn’t take away from their need at the position. –Joe
April 27th, 2018 at 8:30 am
No reason not to come out of the 2 round with 3 good players RB, CB, OL
April 27th, 2018 at 8:32 am
Gotta get j.jackson or Hernandez next…move up required
April 27th, 2018 at 8:34 am
tnew gets it. get oliver, if hernandez or guice go earlier 2nd..some had oliver a top 10 talent
April 27th, 2018 at 8:34 am
They’re going to take Hernandez a corner and a safety tonight you’re going to have to wait on the running back cuz they don’t care about it as much as you do. Just saying…… our Corners just got a lot better because of the pass rush
April 27th, 2018 at 8:34 am
Get. Hernandez. First.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:36 am
Heck looking at so many great players left thag could really help us out I wouldn’t mind another move DOWN a few picks. Hernandez, Landry, either Jackson or Oliver, guide or chubb would all work for me
April 27th, 2018 at 8:37 am
keep every pick and grab a RB, a CB, and a G in the best order they fall to us.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:37 am
Round 2 should go:
RB
CB
G
April 27th, 2018 at 8:41 am
Horse liver. There’s two Joe’s. One wants a corner bad and the other don’t.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:42 am
Hahahaha to all you who poopooo bpa. Licht continuously shows you he drafts based on his board as evident by the vea pick. The bucs bolstered the dline in free agency and “needed” secondary/running back etc but went vea. I wanted james and i think that may come back to hurt me, but i slept well knowing the bucs have 3 2nd round draft picks.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:45 am
I can see Licht use one of those 2nd round picks and trade down to gain a 3rd. Don’t forget he has the 2nd pick in round 4 as well. CB, RB, G, would be great.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:47 am
I say don’t move up. Three second rd picks! There are plenty of players on the board that can help us at RB, DB, and OL.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:47 am
^^^^^
Agree. Db , guard and running back with these picks.
Harold Landry is pipe dream. They brought in 4 dlineman and just drafted another. Can’t use another on dline this high anyway.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:50 am
My top five for the Bucs of those left would be in the following order:
Will Hernandez-OG-UTEP
Donte Jackson-CB-LSU
Darius Guice-RB-LSU
Isaiah Olliver-CB-Colorado
Nick Chubb-RB-Georgia
April 27th, 2018 at 8:50 am
Will Hernandez
Josh Jackson
Josh Sweat / Sam Hubbard / Justin Reid
Thats my wish list for round 2. They have the capital to trade into the 3rd round if a good RB continues to slide, which always happens.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:51 am
Harold Landry and will Hernandez will go quick. Guice too which could start some running backs unless teams don’t trade back cause colts have 2. Browns have 2 and Giants – they don’t need running back.
Think we have chance Ronald jones. And Joshua Jackson and guard to be named
April 27th, 2018 at 8:57 am
The Patriots ruined my night by picking Sony Michel. I hope the Bucs are able to get Nick Chubb and a CB tonight. We HAVE to address our needs after making a luxury pick last night.
April 27th, 2018 at 8:58 am
Bucs have room to sign Dominique Rodgers Cromartie after the draft , and he is a proven cover corner with exceptional speed and ball skills. His pricing probably got a bit lower after the pool party. Drafting a top RB has to be the focus. Also adding depth to secondary and D-line. Wanted Nelson , however the draft day trade looks good. Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 27th, 2018 at 9:02 am
I agree with all of this.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:04 am
Our secondary improved last night and in free agency. Rush the passer well and your secondary improves. Duh.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:05 am
Licht played the hand he was dealt masterfully! Stick and pick in the 2nd round!
April 27th, 2018 at 9:05 am
The Bucs are in a good position in the second round to get highly ranked players at positions of need. Go for G and CB with the first two picks and select a RB with the last pick or even wait until later rounds. The point is not to reach for a RB. The Bucs have to fix the trenches. Isn’t CJ Anderson still a free agent?
April 27th, 2018 at 9:06 am
definitely no need to trade plenty of talented corners available i mean if you’ve been listening to all the draft experts through out the process they’ve been saying that this draft is really deep at corner . we need to draft a corner a RB and a safety today no doubt .
April 27th, 2018 at 9:06 am
Why CB, Joe…..if the Bucs coaches can’t develop a CB from the first round, then why the 2nd……how about your punter instead…(extreme sarcasm)
Here is what I’m doing…..I’m moving up if necessary (use 4th) and selecting Will Hernandez……cutting Sweezy and using the money to acquire a FA CB……already developed.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:07 am
Ideal scenario tonight, take Will Hernandez at #38. Isiah Oliver at #53, and the best available Running Back at #56.
Although I have to say that Derrius Guice at #38 is incredibly tempting.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:08 am
@Joe … “Need should rule the round.” NEED? Did I see the word NEED in there? OK, what did y’all do with the REAL Joe?
@BucFamous … “keep every pick and grab a RB, a CB, and a G in the best order they fall to us.” Those are our areas of greatest NEEDS right now, and Licht will surely focus on those. BPA (at the time we pick) who meets 1 of those 3 needs works for me.
BTW, what Bucs did by trading down & then grabbing Vea was brilliant. Not only is our DLine now one of our greatest strengths (if not THE greatest strength) but it also gives us tremendous flexibility over the next 2 years with so many big contracts on-the-table. Just look at who has the biggest contracts and least amount of dead money involved.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:16 am
Definitely need secondary help at this point. The Falcons with Julio AND Calvin Ridley?
*shiver*
April 27th, 2018 at 9:20 am
This trade with Buffalo saved our azz, and has given hope to us Buc Fans.
With 3 – 2nd round picks, we should be able to get 3 new starters.
I am excited !
April 27th, 2018 at 9:20 am
Oliver, Hernandez and Guice, if we some how get 2 of those 3 no one should be complaining on this board.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:21 am
We need to take either Guice or Chubb, then best available corner, then best available Safety/Guard. I could even see double dipping on corner after we get our RB.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:24 am
I think the Colts grab Jackson unfortunately…
April 27th, 2018 at 9:31 am
lol maui.. fantastic nick name. JBF please keep using it so it sticks.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:34 am
Josh Jackson, and his off coverage zone play fits perfectly with Smith scheme.
Personally I hate Smiths scheme, but if we are gonna keep smith, well we gotta get players who fit the scheme
April 27th, 2018 at 9:47 am
Grab Josh Jackson at 38! Get C.J. Anderson on the phone and get him down to Tampa! Then at 53 and 56 get the best Guard and Safety still on the board! Grab another RB on day 3!
Drop mic!
April 27th, 2018 at 9:49 am
Both Jacksons can ball but people just assume they walk in day one and start and I don’t think so. I think he is drafting for life after Grimes and whatever corners we get hopefully two will have to be heads and shoulders above like Kwon and beckwith were when they got drafted but I pray who they draft has that kind of impact.
Hearing koetter talk about the valuable experience Ryan Smith gained past year makes me think that way
April 27th, 2018 at 9:54 am
Jackson is more of a zone fit. Isaiah Oliver can do both plus has the size, quickness for his size at 6’1″ (we need his size vs the bigger receivers in the south), great technique, and the longest arms of any cornerback in the last thirty years since the combine first started (let that sink in). When it is all said and done Oliver may be the best overall db in this draft class. I think he is a poor man’s marshon lattimore…………..
April 27th, 2018 at 9:56 am
Err longest arms of any db in thirty years…he is a top ten talent without the hype Jackson has received at corner.
April 27th, 2018 at 9:59 am
Really tempting to move ahead of the Colts for Josh Jackson.. not sure a fifth would do it but think it’s worth trying. Think Hernandez goes to Giants
April 27th, 2018 at 9:59 am
DO NOT TRADE UP!!!!!!!
will hernandez at 38……
guice or r.jones at 53…….
DE or T at 56…..
look for kevin toliver or tony brown in the 4th and 5th round…….
stay the course!!!!!…..build inside out!!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 27th, 2018 at 10:01 am
Trade all our late picks and push our 2 rd picks up. Get tb, corner and guard and go home
April 27th, 2018 at 10:06 am
Here is the pressure that is on Licht. We need to grab three starters in tonights second round.
We need a starting RB or at least complimentary to Barber
We need a starting Guard
We need a starting Cornerback
We should be able to get all three in the second round.
April 27th, 2018 at 10:07 am
There is absolutely no need to trade up and cost ourselves a pick. At 6, a quality RB or CB will drop to us. And the same will happen with the next time we pick. Trading up is a move of desperation.
There is no need for it. Be patient. It worked last night, it will work tonight.
Take what falls to us. Get your 4 quality picks in the first two rounds, and fill all the needs the team has in this draft. Don’t lose picks and end up having to fill needs next year.
I’ll tell you one thing…that trade made me have to update my wishlist. With this many picks, a lot of possibilities exist.
April 27th, 2018 at 10:15 am
813bucboi Says
“DO NOT TRADE UP!!!!!!!”
AGREED!
So many options, we can afford to wait.
• OG Will Hernandez
• OT Orlando Brown
• RB Derrius Guice
• RB Ronald Jones, II
• RB Nick Chubb
• RB Kerryon Johnson
• RB Royce Freeman
• RB Dimitri Flowers
• S Justin Reid
• CB Isaiah Oliver
• CB Christian Campbell
• CB Josh Jackson
• CB Josh Jackson
• CB Carlton Davis
April 27th, 2018 at 10:19 am
This team has added enough talent to compete. Yes, we still have needs…no panic. Licht and his staff are putting together a very talented roster. We will add RB and CB. I think that all the coaches will look much better…now that we we have bulked up the trenches. History shows that selecting a CB in the first round doesn’t guarantee success. I think they would love to take RB or CB with the next pick, but will probably stay true to their board…because they have 3 picks in the second round.
April 27th, 2018 at 10:22 am
Hernandez is a pipe dream, Connor Williams, Harold Landry, probably a receiver to the colts, Josh Jackson or Oliver but not both, Nick Chubb to the colts makes sense too, all those will be in the top 5 picks but Guice will be the highest rated player left on the Bucs board, let’s do it
April 27th, 2018 at 10:24 am
Passing on Chubb or Guice would be a mistake unless Hernandez is still available
April 27th, 2018 at 10:41 am
tonight we could draft
OG@38
DE or OT@53
S or CB@56
then cut sweezy and sign cj Anderson……
but I would have no problem selecting guice or r.jones….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 27th, 2018 at 11:16 am
I think best case scenario is we leave 2nd round with a RB, OG, DB .
I think smart move is to use some of our end of draft picks from 6th and 7th rounds to move up in the 2nd.
I would move up a few spots from 38 to get Hernandez. With that we would have massively overhauled the trenches this off season. This in my opinion has been our failing past few years. Yes Doug underperformed in 16 and 17 but there weren’t many holes to run through and Jameis always seemed to be scrambling because he didn’t have time in the pocket. Finally caught up to him and he got injured last year. As bad as our secondary looked The cleanest Jersey after a bucs game was the opposing QB. No pressure means time to find an open man. Vea will collapse the interior. McCoy will be free of double teams and be the penetrator. JPP and Curry will feast out side. Opposing teams won’t be able to run which also frees up our LB corps to be more aggressive with blitzes etc.
I think after Hernandez we address corner wuth either Oliver or Jackson. To do so we give our 5th rounder to move up from 50s to late 30s.
We Now we have helped the back end. Vaccaro Biston and Reid are still out there at safety and can play SS so I feel less need to fill that spot in the draft. With Hernandez drafted we can cut Sweezy free up millions in cap space to sign a safety.
Third pick in 2md round should be either shaquem Griffin if we stay put or if we trade our 7th, move up a bit in 2nd and Grab remaining Rb from Rojo, Chubb as Guice will be gone I’m sure. If we stick with Griffin, then we can use our early 4th and that 7th or our other 6th to move into 3rd and go for Kerryon Johnson, Walton, or Another good complementary Rb.
That would have us leave the draft with 4 premium starters and fill positions of need at every spot.
April 27th, 2018 at 11:41 am
The next pick should be a good player I’m not sold on the next 2 second rounders I wouldn’t mind trading up
April 27th, 2018 at 11:56 am
I would jump for the joy if we get Jackson, he is a playmaker on the outside.
April 27th, 2018 at 12:36 pm
If we learned one thing last night the Draft is unpredictable. We have no idea which 5 players will get chosen in front of us tonight.
I think if Hernandez slips to us we should grab him. But heck there are othe4 guards there too. Maybe the Bucs like somebody more the Hernandez.
If you get a chance to draft a highly rated Lineman it’s a great choice because those are the guys you build with IMO.
Take the BIG physically player at 38 if you like whose there ther let a RB and DB fall to you.
April 27th, 2018 at 12:49 pm
Hernandez is top priority for the second. We don’t have a right side of the offensive line at the moment. Then CB. Trade back into the third with our final 2nd rounder for Jessie Bates (thought before we might trade back into the third and it might be a battle between him and Terrell Edmunds, but he strangely got taken last night). Mark Walton in the fourth.
April 27th, 2018 at 12:56 pm
What other RBs did Bucs bring in for private meetings? I know Barkley(I think?) and Michel that are both off the board now. Who else???
Mark Walton (who I want) was their first overall private meeting of the 30.
April 27th, 2018 at 1:04 pm
Tough choices guys if both Hernandez and Guice are there at no 6. Can’t say what the Bucs will do. But I think, one of’ems gonna be there.
April 27th, 2018 at 1:32 pm
Oliver looks really good as well. Kind of sold on the long arms. Will be happy with JJ or Oliver
April 27th, 2018 at 2:27 pm
BPA at CB,RB,OL. In any order. Grab a free agent safety. There are still a few left.
April 27th, 2018 at 5:35 pm
Carlton Davis would be a nice pick!