Offensive Defensive Coaches
April 19th, 2018
This gave Joe acid reflux.
No, Joe doesn’t take much pride in the following, but a few months ago Joe decided it was time to quit sugarcoating things. Folks go nuts when Joe refers to the home of the Bucs as the “Den of Depression” but it is true. Only the Browns have more losses at home since Chucky was jettisoned than the Bucs.
The Bucs also have the longest playoff drought of any NFC team.
While doing a bit of research yesterday, Joe found a pattern as to why the Bucs have pretty much been an NFL punching bag since Chucky was fired in January 2009.
Since that time, the Bucs have hired four coaches. Three were supposedly defensive minds, Raheem Morris, Greg Schiano and Lovie Smith. And they were largely massive failures at the side of the ball where they supposedly made their bones.
In this decade, only the Browns (.227) and the Jags (.321) have a worse winning percentage than the Bucs (.367). In that same time frame, only the Raiders (25.9) and Redskins (25.1) have allowed more points per game than the Bucs (24.8).
Moral to this story? If you are going to hire a defensive coach as a head coach, you better hope the guy can coach defense.
April 19th, 2018 at 12:27 am
Thank you Captain Obvious. LOL. Research was needed for this?
April 19th, 2018 at 12:32 am
Joe’s getting paid by the word now.
April 19th, 2018 at 1:21 am
Which of the joes wrote this riveting article?
April 19th, 2018 at 1:23 am
What should we trade him for?
#FullTimeIra
April 19th, 2018 at 1:34 am
I still see people posting stuff very different from my own recollections about the Lovie era. So, I looked it up. In 2015, after he sidelined his coordinator and took over himself, we were 31st in points per drive, 31st in opponents plays per drive, 31st in opponents time of possession per drive and 31st in opponents drive success rate. We were much better on 3rd down where we came in 30th. Still, that’s still a lot better than last year where we were 32nd at 48.16% first downs allowed. You have to back almost 10 years to find a worse team.
April 19th, 2018 at 1:43 am
Appreciate the comments Lol! This article =epic fail
Nobody cuts Joe any slack–immediately Joe gets pounded for flimsy work
The comments are a good read today.
Still waiting for a story/poll on who we think the third person in the uber was
Maybe we could get a story on the uber girl’s history
Story on Hargreaves–what is he doing since being outed in a smoke video
thx Joe
April 19th, 2018 at 1:58 am
Where are the pictures of the other failed Defensive Minded Coaches…that is my only question……sloppy research!!
April 19th, 2018 at 2:27 am
Are we hiring a coach or nah??
April 19th, 2018 at 3:19 am
Putting Raheem on here is kind of a shame. Yes he was bad in his last season but he was too quickly promoted (in house meteoric promotions rarely work) Was part of a total restructure. Showed he could win some games (even tho it was smoke and mirrors) then received no talent infusion (with the exception of a punter) after showing a bit of promise.
April 19th, 2018 at 5:30 am
joe………..only the Browns (.227) and the Jags (.321) have a worse winning percentage than the Bucs (.367). In that same time frame, only the Raiders (25.9) and Redskins (25.1) have allowed more points per game than the Bucs (24.8).
Boy I’m pumped on this Beautiful Thursday Morning a week before the draft. Maybe I’ll have a side of arsenic with my eggs and orange juice.
April 19th, 2018 at 5:30 am
@Joe … “Moral to this story? If you are going to hire a defensive coach as a head coach, you better hope the guy can coach defense.” Not a huge Lovie, Raheem or Schiano supporter, BUT … your moral to the story is a big stretch Joe. None of the three had any business being head coaches in the NFL at that point in their careers, but even worse, none of those teams they were hired to coach were even remotely talented enough to be contenders.
April 19th, 2018 at 6:47 am
I think we need to cut Joe some slack. He very obviously let a guy he lost a bet with in a bar write this piece because it is SO lame that there is NO way a Joe wrote it.
April 19th, 2018 at 7:04 am
and who hired all these dud coaches??? Glazer Bros. They are the common thread in this story not the coaches.
Hire Brooks!
April 19th, 2018 at 7:07 am
Moral of the story… the Glazer brothers are baffoons.
April 19th, 2018 at 7:15 am
Wacky Joe has been extra wacky since the move to post stories after midnight, Might need to rethink that strategy!!!!!!!! Joe did not even take into account or mention talk show dominik, who no coach would have succeeded under!!!!!!!!!! loser lovie was just the terrible hire and the worst coach in Bucs history!!!!!!!!!!!! it is as simple as that!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!
April 19th, 2018 at 7:19 am
Joe-
Here’s a crazy thought
Imagine if Saquon Barkley was converted to a cornerback
With his speed, quickness, hands, kick return ability- I think he could be the next Deion Sanders.
He would probably have a longer career and potentially be a shut down corner
NFL has a history of taking college rb’s and converting them to corne
April 19th, 2018 at 7:23 am
That has as much of a chance of happening as Joe developing a third ear.
April 19th, 2018 at 7:24 am
They all had to work with the bums Dominick drafted…..that’s part of the problem…..
April 19th, 2018 at 7:39 am
@joe
apparently you do not listen. Please clean that 3rd ear–LOL
April 19th, 2018 at 9:14 am
same can be said about dirk…..how has his offense been?…..especially with all those #weaponsforwinston…….
we cant score…..lousy run game….suspect play calling….questionable personnel…..
how about if you hire a coach, make sure he’s able to manage the team…..not just 1 side of the ball….
is dirk still afraid to provide input on defense because he thinks he’ll screw things up?……SMDH……
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!!
April 19th, 2018 at 9:16 am
calling classless loser lovie a “defensive coach” is a insult to defensive coaches!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 19th, 2018 at 9:18 am
LMAO @Lambchop
April 19th, 2018 at 9:21 am
Joe Says:
April 19th, 2018 at 7:23 am
Imagine if Saquon Barkley was converted to a cornerback
With his speed, quickness, hands, kick return ability- I think he could be the next Deion Sanders.
That has as much of a chance of happening as Joe developing a third ear.
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Better chance than you getting with Rachel Watson?
April 19th, 2018 at 10:31 am
Show me the money!!! If you look at the NFL as a whole and check out the average salaries by position…Business Insider and SI have pieces on this…you’ll see that DB’s fare poorly. They are simply not that valuable in the grand scheme of things.
SI makes an interesting point however….Cornerbacks have the widest variation in salaries of any position group…that’s because a true “shutdown” corner is hard to find but normal CB’s are easy. A normal CB simply cannot contribute from that position like other spots on the field which is why they lag behind. A “shutdown” corner can contribute…take away half the field…make the DC’s job much easier especially when facing somebody like JJ.
This means VHG was indeed a long stretch where Licht selected him. VHG may yet contribute…may end up pretty good…but I simply cannot imagine him as a true “shutdown” corner. Neither is Grimes for that matter but in fairness lots of teams lack “shutdown” corners which is why they get the big bucks.
I simply do not see any “shutdown” corners in this draft or even any freakish talents.
April 19th, 2018 at 10:36 am
BTW Don’t know why everybody is ripping Joe. The only part left unsaid is that IMHO this applies to offensive coaches as well.
If you hire an offensive minded coach as your HC he better be able to produce a good offense. This is why Koetter is on the clock this year. He has all the tools and despite depth concerns at OL and the waiting on the RB we’ll certainly pickup we should be good on offense. IMO defense is a different situation. We could become decent…but I do not think we’re going to be known as a killer defensive team.
April 19th, 2018 at 11:04 am
How did loser lovie get a second year???? Watching that buffoon run this franchise into the ground and burning thru coordinators was the lowest point of the this franchise!!!!!!! And to think that some sheep wanted to see a third year of garbage from loser lovie!!!!!!!!!! its so sad that classless incompetent coach did so poorly against some of the weakest schedules was beyond a joke!!!!!!!!!!
That was the “real” den of depression!!!!! When fans should have been fed up and jumping ship!!!!!!!!!!
At least now we have coaching that is rebuilding from that ground zero disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 19th, 2018 at 11:56 am
Buc Realist I see you back at peein on yourself again. We always know when Target has Depends on sale. Because you start urinating all over the board. Pityfull.
April 19th, 2018 at 1:52 pm
*pitiful*
April 19th, 2018 at 10:02 pm
Shameless Trump Breeder!!
April 19th, 2018 at 10:06 pm
Didn’t know Lovie supported Trump.
April 19th, 2018 at 11:58 pm
And you still don’t know!