Josh Jackson And The Bucs
April 10th, 2018
Top-ranked corner expected at One Buc Palace.
The march of would-be doomed corners continues to One Buc Place this week.
Yesterday, NFL insider Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported that highly touted Iowa cornerback Josh Jackson will be making a visit to One Buc Palace this week as one of the Bucs’ NFL allotted 30 practice facility visits.
Jackson is widely regarded as a first round pick and perhaps a high first round pick. He had eight interceptions last season but it was only his first as a full-time starter.
Joe’s fear of the Bucs picking a corner at No. 7 is well-documented. To Joe, it is the equivalent of burning a highly valuable draft pick.
Joe would rather see a kicker or a punter drafted at No. 7. Yeah, Joe typed that.
If the Bucs draft Jackson or Denzel Ward or any corner at No. 7, Joe is going to bolt to Cathedral of St. Jude Parish to light candles for his soul. Why St. Jude? Not only it is the seat of the Diocese of St. Petersburg, but St. Jude is also the patron saint for lost causes.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:09 am
I would MUCH ratehr have Jackson over Ward, even at #7.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:12 am
Could it be that the Bucs just haven’t drafted good corners. Ryan Smith, Elliot, Hargraves…. your basis for your theory is built on too late round picks and a possible bust who only has two years in the league. I don’t remember Ronde Barber lighting it up and his first two seasons. There are too many variables, and not a large enough sample size to put too much stock in your theory Joe.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:12 am
According to the Athlon Sports Draft (take their opinions for what you will–but JBF cites just about anyone these days) magazine that this Bucs fan has to gear up with some player draft profiles, they rank Jackson as their #3 overall CB, and I think their Summary section says about it all…
“Jackson will fit the mold with teams that play off more than press, giving him a chance to put his ball skills to good use. Pure speed remains a question, but if a team can live with that, Jackson should be a Day 1 starter who makes some game-changing plays.”
So there you have it Buc faithful…here we (effing) go again, some other player being added potentially, to play OFF COVERAGE. Just what we need, more crutching of Smitty’s bull spit (Deumig!) system. Great.
AND….for those CB crowd that might be asking why the Bucs haven’t been sniffing around DRC as a cheap FA alternative, here’s a pretty darn good reason why, according to the marvelous PFT crew. See below.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/09/man-shot-at-pool-party-promoted-by-domonique-rodgers-cromartie-isnt-cooperating-with-police/
Skip all this junk, go Barkley, go character, go 10 year plus talent!
Go Bucs!
April 10th, 2018 at 8:17 am
Just stop already, basing the development of 1 undersized, slow CB (VH3) with a college history of getting dominated against NFL caliber WRs, who improved when moved to the slot, then a small school, inexperienced, although improving 4th round CB (Smith), and an UDFA, all of which had the worst DL in all of football and a scheme even high school teams won’t run, it’s just ridiculous, we need as many CBs as we can get
April 10th, 2018 at 8:20 am
Joe would rather see a kicker or a punter drafted at No. 7. Yeah, Joe typed that.
Joe, you need to explain that was sarcasm…..not a serious comment….some will actually think you are a complete fool….but then….
April 10th, 2018 at 8:21 am
@CaptainStagger until I see Hargreaves play press man coverage on the outside it is wrong to say he is a bad corner. Unti that happens you have to put the blame where it belongs on coaching.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:24 am
Not really into drafting a corner that isn’t a lockdown at #7. I would rather have Jackson at 15 or 22 than Ward at 7.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:24 am
@Jason
They will never let him do that. While he did excel at press man in college, he is too slow to keep up with NFL receivers. It will look even worse during practice with D-Jax blowing right past him every play.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:26 am
A Richard Sherman type clone
-Both of’em converted from receiver.
-Both of’em have elite ball skills.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:30 am
@BucFanFromOhio until that happens we will never know. Also setting Jackson as the standard is unfair to Hargreaves. DeSean has built a whole career on making any corners look bad.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:31 am
If we could somehow manage a trade with Buffalo and snag their two first, Take James, Jackson and Michael with our first three picks, add BJ Hill in the 4th and Wyatt teller in the 5th
April 10th, 2018 at 8:32 am
@Jason
That’s why I said “too slow to keep up with NFL receivers. It will look even worse during practice with D-Jax”. Meaning going against D-Jax will be even harder for him than other NFL receivers (speed).
April 10th, 2018 at 8:33 am
…Jackson is a trade down target. I won’t bother talking about what I actually think about him because Joe can’t be bothered to watch any video of him and give an assessment either.
Put some actually football people on payroll so we don’t have to suffer through draft season like this with you guys every year. At the very least find someone to give you a mock draft or something.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:34 am
Much like TMax’s dislike of GMC, your dislike of the ability of this staff to develop corners is well noted. Must you put it into every article?
April 10th, 2018 at 8:34 am
Sorry, every defensive article
April 10th, 2018 at 8:36 am
Joe,
You should probably go read Pewter Report about why VH3 hasn’t done so well in Tampa. It has less to do with his ability and more to do with the current scheme that fits Brent Grimes a lot better than Hargreaves. If Tampa sticks with their current scheme then it will fit Josh Jackson very well.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:38 am
Richard Sherman vs. Josh Jackson
Richard Sherman
40 Yard Dash: 4.54 seconds
40 Yard (MPH): 18.02 (MPH)
20 Yard Dash: 2.56 seconds
10 Yard Dash: 1.56 seconds
Bench Press: 16 reps (225 lb)
Richard Sherman
Vertical Leap: 38.0 inches
Broad Jump: 125 inches
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.33 seconds
Shuttle Split: (N/A) seconds
Three Cone: 6.82 seconds
60 Yd Shuttle: 11.44 seconds
vs.
Josh Jackson
40 Yard Dash: 4.56 seconds
40 Yard (MPH): 17.94 (MPH)
20 Yard Dash: 2.61 seconds
10 Yard Dash: 1.57 seconds
Bench Press: 18 reps (225 lb)
Josh Jackson
Vertical Leap: 38.0 inches
Broad Jump: 123 inches
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.03 seconds
Shuttle Split: (N/A) seconds
Three Cone: 6.86 seconds
60 Yd Shuttle: (N/A) seconds
April 10th, 2018 at 8:38 am
@OrlandoJoe Thank you that was a good article. Until Hargreaves fails at man coverage on the outside to label him isn’t fair to him.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:42 am
drip…drip…drip….tic..tock..tic ..tock…oh the agony of the countdown to the draft
April 10th, 2018 at 8:43 am
@OrlandoJoe- Um, it’s been stated on more than one occasion that coach Smith gives the DBs the freedom to line up where they wish. At some point, you have to look at the player. Either he can play or he can’t.
I don’t like Smitty’s D either but they do not play solely zone or solely man coverages. So, in those instances, shouldn’t he stand out?
I’m not 100% that he’s a bust, yet. He needs to step up his play though, scheme be darned.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:45 am
Richard Sherman vs. Josh Jackson
• Dimensions
Richard Sherman
Height: 74.63 inches
Weight: 195 pounds
BMI: 25.21
Arm Length: 32.00 inches
Hand Size: 9.75 inches
Vs.
Josh Jackson
Height: 73.00 inches
Weight: 196 pounds
BMI: 25.94
Arm Length: 31.12 inches
Hand Size: 9.37 inches
April 10th, 2018 at 8:50 am
@BucFanFromOhio not every wide receiver is a superstar. Sure I wouldn’t want Hargreaves playing press man against Julio Jones, Michael Thomas or Devin Funchess twice a year. But again to say every wide receiver would burn Hargreaves when haven’t seen him play man coverage for two years wondering why he isn’t developing. Perfect example when Revis was here one of the best man coverage corners in the league couldn’t play to Lovie’s standard in zone coverage. Right now Hargreaves is metaphorically a fish out of water and everyone wants to call him a bust. Let him play man if he is bust that way as well then lets proceed forward from there.
April 10th, 2018 at 8:56 am
Joe you are crazy if you would rather draft a punter or kicker in the first round even with this coaching staff in place please put down the pipe an drank lol jk jk
April 10th, 2018 at 8:58 am
Jackson is more of a zone CB than Ward and would probably be a better fit in Mike Smith’s off-coverage scheme than Ward but there’s no way he’s a #7 pick. Licht seems to be preparing for trade down scenarios. Ward is a pure cover CB that seems better suited to play in a system with a lot of man coverage.
April 10th, 2018 at 9:01 am
I would rather have Minkah, Ward, or Jaire Alexander over Josh Jackson. I wouldnt hate the pick tho.
April 10th, 2018 at 9:20 am
Luv MY Bucs nice comparisons but only thing is Jackson is an alleged 1st round guy where sherman was 4th I believe, buce need back end help ASAP though
April 10th, 2018 at 9:28 am
Yes, because this coaching staff has done a WAY better job developing kickers than it has corners. Matter of fact, Bucs ring of honor recipients should be Aguyao, Folk, and Murray. smh
April 10th, 2018 at 9:31 am
Jackson is a very good athlete but Iowa’s defensive line and their linebackers made him look really really good. That pass rush made him look like a veteran. But I think he’s a bit overrated because of those factors tbh. That doesn’t neccesarily mean he won’t be good at all but I suggest watching ALL his game tape and not just his highlights. I made that mistake but after watching all of his game tape from every game last year I had a very different opinion.
April 10th, 2018 at 9:36 am
I was more impressed by Mike Hughes and Jaire Alexander game tape than Jackson’s. And Ward is just an athletic freak but I’m not comparing him to any of these guys right now.
April 10th, 2018 at 9:49 am
Dusty
No doubt brotha
April 10th, 2018 at 10:04 am
@BucFanFromOhio not every wide receiver is a superstar.
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Where did I say every WR was a superstar?
April 10th, 2018 at 10:18 am
Jaire Alexander please. Better value and has enough speed to actually keep up with NFL receivers.
April 10th, 2018 at 10:32 am
So do the Bucs still have no interest in generating a pass rush too, or has that notion finally been put to rest?
I know you’ve gone all in on this “these coaches can’t develop a CB” but you’re basing that off of 2 years of VH3- a slow, undersized dB that tons of fans thought would be a bust before we even drafted him. He was dominated by every big NFL-level receiver he faced in college.
Please don’t try to use Ryan smith, a 4th rounder with ONE year of experience as your supporting evidence either. And Javien Elliot was Undrafted…
April 10th, 2018 at 10:37 am
Jason
I agree with 100%……coaches have to put him in position to be successful and play to his strengths…..same with ryan smith….both are man press CB’s……until smitty forces him to play that style of defense, we’ll never know…..
the only CB that excels at off coverage is grimes……and that’s because he’s been playing that style of coverage his entire career……smitty is handcuffing the secondary with this off coverage…..that’s why I didn’t want grimes resigned……that would’ve forced smitty to switch up his coverage…..
I don’t get some fans…..some want ward who is an undersized fast CB, who will probably get man handled on the outside and is better suited for nickel……some want this guy who is slower and lighter than VHG but maybe a little taller……
we have our answers on the roster……its up to the coaches to put them in position to be successful and play to their strengths……
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!!!
April 10th, 2018 at 10:44 am
OrlandoJoe Says:
April 10th, 2018 at 8:36 am
Joe,
You should probably go read Pewter Report about why VH3 hasn’t done so well in Tampa. It has less to do with his ability and more to do with the current scheme that fits Brent Grimes a lot better than Hargreaves. If Tampa sticks with their current scheme then it will fit Josh Jackson very well.
^^BINGO^^
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 10th, 2018 at 10:45 am
Am I the only one that remembers when Brian Kelly and Ronde Barber came into the league? Every time they came into the game I cringed. Barber didn’t break out until his 3rd year and Kelly didn’t make plays until year 4-5. Look it up if you don’t remember. Corner is tough. I’m not sure if HG3 will be any good but it’s too early to tell.
April 10th, 2018 at 11:33 am
813
I tend to agree that the answers at DB could already be on the roster but I’m not as down on Smith as Joe.
He was jerked around in college…jerked around by us…moving him to safety was an experiment that wiped out his rookie season…he’s still learning.
We clearly need some more CB’s in camp and I’m sure we’ll have them…but I’d much rather put draft capital into the trenches…DL…OL…or RB.
April 10th, 2018 at 12:11 pm
Joa has a point to some extent. If the coaches aren’t gonna put the corners in the scheme that best fits their style of play, then they aren’t developing them properly. And giving your corners the freedom to line up 3yds vs 7yds when you’re still playing zone, isn’t good for a press man corner either.
April 10th, 2018 at 12:31 pm
I know you’re being hyperbolic about the kicker/punter thing, but good lord this has got to be the worst take that y’all keep pumping out. Talented players are talented players, and the Bucs need them at CB. They’re almost definitely going to take one high, so instead of working up the fan base into a lather, maybe consider just covering the prospects, their resumes, and how they stand to help the team. I imagine that’s all Licht and his scouting department are doing.
April 10th, 2018 at 12:31 pm
Goodness gracious another god awful cornerback take. I want so badly to see a corner go nuts for the bucs just to shut dekemper up
April 10th, 2018 at 2:22 pm
Denzel Ward is Daniel Jeremiah’s 4th best player in the draft. What could go wrong?
April 10th, 2018 at 2:52 pm
Isaiah Oliver for the win……. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stSvqc4gMk&t=491s
April 10th, 2018 at 3:37 pm
I’d much rather put draft capital into the trenches…DL…OL…or RB.
^^BINGO^^
the front 7 and a good safety duo can mask some of the CB weaknesses…..eagles showed us that….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!