Home Run: Nick Chubb
April 22nd, 2018
Talkin’ running backs.
Damn, Joe could spend all night and all day listening to and reading Mike Mayock’s breakdown of players. The guy is so damned good. Best Joe has heard since the late Joel Buchsbaum.
In his annual pre-draft teleconference, Mayock was dishing on running backs. He likes Derrius Guice a lot — as a running back. But Mayock noted there are skeletons in Guice’s closet.
Though Mayock didn’t say this, to use a Mayockian phrase, Guice is not clean off the field.
But Mayock added if you want the talent of Guice but not the potential off-the-field yips, Georgia running back Nick Chubb is your guy.
“I love Nick Chubb,” Mayock said. “I think you don’t have any baggage like Guice has. He’s completely over the knee injury from two years before. He’s strong, he’s tough. If you could get him in the second or third round, I think that would be a home run.”
Joe would be perfectly fine if Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht swings for the fences and gets Chubb. Or even Guice. Or even better, Saquon Barkley.
The Bucs need a damn running back and it’s time to quit f@rting around with picking running backs on Day 3 of the draft.
All-you-can-eat buffet available starting at 6 p.m. and runs all night long. Be there!!
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:05 am
Cosell is better – Mayock is just who the nfl likes for PR reasons
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:16 am
Hard not to get a chubby for either Chubb though the NC State version will be long gone when the Bucs go at 7. His cousin from Athens would be a great selection in round 2 though!.
JB: I do not think anyone can replace old Howwwarrd Cosell…. Dude was iconic back in the day. Loved his interviews with Ali. Too bad today’s journalist’s are like characters like Cowhead, Danny Patrick and Jim Rome instead of old school….. Is Mayock a tool? No…. IMHO he is not but he is not as damn snap on the spot as he thinks he is. Slightly above average IMHO, better than anyone on 620 and a few notches below Ira and the Joes……
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:17 am
Agree with your fundamental point Joe. If you include Barkley there are at least three worthy backs…maybe a half dozen…we should get one of them!!!
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:35 am
I say got for broke. Give Cleveland all our of 2019 picks plus a pick in round 6 and 7 this year for #1 overal. Pick up Barkley and hold try to trade #7 to pick up more this year picks. Go all in. Either win now or screw the new GM!
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:45 am
Man we’d be so lucky to get Nelson at 7 and then this guy or Guice in the 2nd… that would finally complete the offense!! I know our defense was in shambles last season, but I feel like we’ve got a lot better already by dumping Saggy and a couple FA linemen… throw in one or two DBs from the draft for a spot and with that high powered BALANCED offense we would be in good shape…
Can’t wait for Thursday!!
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:55 am
Betterbuckenbelieve would say hell no. We should trade are 2nd round pick this year and next years first and go get barkley. What does Mayock know there is no way can get a good runningback in round 2. We should mortgage are future for Barkley. Licht has the Ammo now go get Barkley. You heard it here second we are trading up for Barkley. Jump on board everybody. Thursday will be our one and only pick. Trade them all if that is what it will take to get Barkley. Did I mention I kind of love this guy named Barkley.
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:22 am
I want a RB as bad as anyone. Even at 7. But if your talking about dumping multiple or all draft picks to go get one, you’re F’n insane.
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:39 am
Note even close. But your entitled to your opinion.
Rivals.com Lead Analyst Mike Farrell, is head & shoulders better IMO.
April 22nd, 2018 at 2:16 am
RB Nick Chubb
Cons: Can’t hit the edges, poor catching out the backfield, not a three down back if you don’t catch.
Pros: Runs/reads behind blocks, Durable, closer, great vision, pass blocks
I like him but he doesnt set the offense off.
April 22nd, 2018 at 3:58 am
Walton in the fourth.
April 22nd, 2018 at 4:01 am
Mayock is just as fallible as any other prognosticator.
https://www.thesportster.com/football/top-15-nfl-prospects-mike-mayock-completely-overhyped/
April 22nd, 2018 at 4:17 am
I don’t care if Barkley falls to 7, pass on him.
Learn the lessons from from the past and draft someone in 2nd.
This is a RB heavy draft so there is no need to use the no. 1.
Kareem Hunt/ A Kamara were available for us last year, but we waited and got a 5th rounder in Nicholson who didn’t pan out.
Just get somebody proven in 2nd (or 3rd if we make a trade).
This does not have to be complicated.
April 22nd, 2018 at 4:18 am
FortMyersDave…JB was referencing Greg Cosell.
April 22nd, 2018 at 4:47 am
Thanks Chris S… I’m from that generation who used to listen to YNF when Diaz was relevant… Enough said!;)
April 22nd, 2018 at 4:53 am
Yep….all about Chubb as our RB since Jones II will go early while we’re still fixing the trenches or backfield.
Trade down….
Big V
Big Will
Jones II or Chubb
Jessie Bates
Nick Nelson
of course some trading back up will be involved for this scenario.
April 22nd, 2018 at 5:47 am
If we get Nelson at #7, then trade down in the 2nd, recoup a later 3rd rd pick and still get Nick Chubb or Rashaad Penny – that would be an ideal scenario.
1. Nelson
2. N. Chubb/Penny
3. BPA CB
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:11 am
@Joe … “The Bucs need a damn running back and it’s time to quit f@rting around with picking running backs on Day 3 of the draft.” That’s the real BOTTOM LINE right there Joe. Bucs NEED a premier RB … period. This is a deep draft for RBs. Love Barkley, and I’d pull the trigger at #7 if he was there (trading up & giving up draft picks to get him would be dumb IMO … far too many other NEEDS). But IF Barkley’s not there, there are several other RBs with the potential to be rookie impact players IMO. Grab one of them in the 2nd Rnd on Day 2. Much too big a risk to wait until Rnds 4-7 on Day 3. BTW, still vote for using a 6th or 7th Rnd pick on Bo Scarborough if he’s still there (still reminds me of my favorite, Mike Alstott, in the way he runs).
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:14 am
I’ll never forget Mike Mayock last year at the draft after the Bucs selected Justin Evans : “This Guy will be starting day 1 next to Ryan Smith.” LMFAO CMON MAN!!
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:26 am
Chubb is the real deal. Greens cons are off. Chubb hits the edge. Fast and hard. As a freshman he did have receiving yards. Michel was just exceptional at it and took opportunity away.
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:44 am
Trade down a few slots. N. Chubb in round 2 looks safe. And a smart pick.
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:49 am
@Easy
You beat me to it, I feel that Mayock becomes less of an Evaluator and more of a TV personality with each passing year.
I still prefer him to that hack fraud Mel Kiper, but not by much anymore.
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:56 am
I think the need is so glaring and wasn’t addressed in FA that Licht will be laser focused on a RB…..actually maybe 2…..
If we get Nelson at 7, i see him cutting Sweezy and using the money on a FA CB.
So, we go Nelson RB (I like Sony)…….CB or S in 3rd…….5….DE, 2 6ts CB, DE….7th (don’t care, never makes the team…)
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:57 am
Joe….what’s with the moderation on every single post….you have cleared every post of mine for 2 years now….I’ve been a very good boy.
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:00 am
I can confirm that there are some pretty major skeletons in the closet of Guice. LSU has done wonders to cover it up but, as much as I like the guy on the field, I dislike him off. I would pass on Guice and take Chubb.
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:03 am
^yep!
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:04 am
Still have great memories as a youngster of Howard, Dandy Don, and Frank doing the MNF games. Man… That was entertainment. Comparatively, recent years have been a clown show.
And before that, who remembers how cold the ice bowl game was in ’67? Sends a cold chill up my spine just thinking about it today. That was a different brand of football.
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:18 am
Am I missing something here? Didn’t Chubb have 2 major injuries at GA. Seems like he missed a lot of time. Easy for Mayock to fall all over this shiny new object, but it isn’t his money being invested in a player who missed a whole lot of games to injury.
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:23 am
Buddy- it was just one knee injury and I believe it was not an ACL.
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:26 am
Nick Chubb could easily be the steal of the draft. He may be completely healed from the knee injury, but I dont see the same burst and explosiveness in the 2017 tape that is in the 2014 tape.
But man if he can get back to his freshman year form he could easily be the best RB out of this class.
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:45 am
I cant believe teams are going to count that combine incident involving Guice as “baggage”. But part of me hopes they are so he can fall to the Bucs in the 2nd round.
But remember just last year. Gareon Conley was in the middle of being investigated for rape and he still went in the 1st round. I doubt Guice will actually fall for that “incident”
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:47 am
I believe it was THIS FOOL ^^^^^^ right HERE^^^^above THIS Bucs fan, that said on a prior thread not just 2 days ago to THIS Bucs fan, that Derrius Guice “had no off the field” issues?!?!??! Yup, it was this @Joeypoppems fool that tried to tell THIS Bucs fan that, when I posted the stuff about Guice and his (make-believe)…” some NFL team asked me these inappropriate questions at the Combine yet now it’s completely blowing back in my face because the NFL couldn’t find any truth to it”…stuff. OR, it’s the punk-a$$ move that the coach and AD hated with Guice and his friends on the ATV, damn near breaking each other’s backs in the accident, OR…it’s the other 2016 altercation that he was questioned for by campus police. And probably other incidents that WE don’t even know about, that the insiders in NFL front offices now have discovered.
Ohhh, but since Mayock has now publicly said that Guice has “some real off the filed concerns”, @Joeypoppems is REALLLLL QUIET. Hmmmm.
Let this be a lesson to all y’all, that when THIS Bucs fan says something…..I just SAID SOMETHING. 🙂 Don’t be a casualty like @Joeypoppems.
Go Bucs!
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:56 am
@Joeypoppems
Well Reuben Foster had a combine incident last year and look at him now. Plus from what I’ve read he has a more sordid past than just a singular incident at the combine.
But his play on the field is damn good, shoot if we land Nelson in round 1, and Guice slips to #38 due to off field concerns, I’d take him without thinking twice about it.
April 22nd, 2018 at 7:59 am
Remember these guys are essentially kids….they make mistakes…..(many don’t) what is important is their support system and their peer group…..we have gambled on other players that paid off……Spence….Sapp….
I think Guice runs extremely angry and is exactly what we need…..Hopefully, he has learned his lesson and will straighten up…..I’d take the chance on him if he falls into the 2nd….
The good thing is that we don’t have to move up for a RB….there will be one there for us because there are 5 or 6 really good RBs….
April 22nd, 2018 at 8:06 am
He wasn’t referring to Howard Cosell, he was referring to Greg Cosell.
You know….in reference to draft prospects.
April 22nd, 2018 at 8:16 am
@JeffBuc…
🙂 Like I said on a previous post, you’re the best PR person I’ve never hired.
And because I know the other readers on JBF (other than JeffBuc) have made it past the 3rd grade level of reading comprehension, THIS Bucs fan has repeatedly said that my belief is that SA-QUON, Say-gone Barkley will be acquired via a trade-up by Licht. That trade will not be what the blunt instruments continually refer to as “mortgaging our future” (which is represented by at least 3 picks in any given draft and 2 other picks from another year’s draft), not to dignify their remedial backgrounds, but RATHER Licht will utilize ONE or some limited combination of :
2019 2nd round pick
OR…
2019 3rd and 5th round picks
OR…
2018 4th round pick AND any 1 player (LVD, DJAX, GMC, OJ HOWARD)depending on team acquiring’s needs–DEN, CLE, NYG, COLTS
OR…
2020 1st round pick (depending on acquiring GM’s appetite for immediacy)
It is also THIS Bucs fan belief that Licht will steadfastly hang on to this year’s (2018) 2nd round draft pick at (almost) all costs.
Be careful….@JeffBuc…..I realize that reading was an obvious challenge last time for you, one effort that you clearly failed at, so be sure to re-read this reallll slowly, ok??? 🙂
Go Bucs! Go Bold! Go Barkley! Go Primetime!
April 22nd, 2018 at 8:18 am
Georgia running back Nick Chubb suffered a significant injury to his left knee in Saturday’s game against Tennessee, including damage to multiple ligaments and cartilage but not the ACL. Torn MCL, PCL and LCL ligaments in his left knee
I’d pass. But at one point, the Bucs DID know knees…lol
April 22nd, 2018 at 8:53 am
BetterBuccinBelieveit: You are dead on and there is more to the story about Guice. Let’s just say that there was a lot that was covered up the year he was playing while Fournette was hurt. They were trying to keep him on field but there was some stuff going on that was a major issue for the program and the team.
There is no doubt regarding his talents. He is a player. But, i would think long and hard about adding this type of character to a locker room.
April 22nd, 2018 at 8:59 am
Joe what’s the highest Tampa should trade up if Saquoan Barkley starts to fall and what should the max price be for moving up.
April 22nd, 2018 at 9:04 am
Joe, what’s going on with the moderation?
April 22nd, 2018 at 9:14 am
@Jaboo….dunno, I wrote one at 8:14 and it’s still sitting, unless that’s intentional somehow. Maybe to derive a future article out of it perhaps? 🙂
Who knows….:)
Go Bucs!
April 22nd, 2018 at 9:18 am
I’m a FSU lifer, James is my personal favorite player in this draft class…that being said, if we have to decide between James, Fitzpatrick, and Nelson; the pick has to be Nelson…If that scenario plays out I’d be estatic…however, unlike the concensus I don’t feel we need to take a RB in the 2nd rd…I feel we must address our secondary at some point in the 1st 2 rounds…RB’s come a dime a dozen; we can wait till the 4th round to take one or trade back up into the 3rd round and get one…if we have Marpet, Jensen, and Nelson in the interior of our Oline we can get by with Barber, Sims, and a 3rd or 4th Rd RB…just my 2 cents…
April 22nd, 2018 at 9:49 am
@Blake
We aren’t going to really compare a question being asked to somebody who put their hands on a doctor and was kicked out of the combine, are we?
April 22nd, 2018 at 9:56 am
@BetterBuccinBelieveIt
How am I being quiet when you are responding to something I said? Lol.
And yes, my apologies for believing Mike Mayock over you. How stupid of me to believe somebody well informed and in the know over a random person on the internet. Maybe thats my “off the field issue”
But that doesn’t change the fact that this shouldn’t be considered “baggage”. Baggage is more serious. Drug issues, prior arrests, convictions, etc. Derrius Guice doesn’t have any of that on his record.
Arden Key? Now that is baggage.
April 22nd, 2018 at 10:00 am
I like Chubb too. Michel might be a little more versatile in our offense, but either of these guys would improve our offense quite a bit.
April 22nd, 2018 at 10:04 am
@JabooBuc…
I appreciate the acknowledgement and fair simple take you had there. I suppose it’s refreshing when other loyal Buc faithful just look at the words typed in the comments, and/or the supporting links and information added to support those comments/opinions. I always strive to do that very thing for other loyal Buc faithful posters out here, even if they’re somehow contrary to my opinion, but simply might have better or more accurate information on that subject.
And on your comments about Guice, yeah…in general, my belief is with ALL the RB’s in this year’s class (no problem with Sony Michel), why in the world does Licht (or any GM) have to “work” at convincing themselves to take another RB (insert whatever RB name you want), when Licht KNOWS what he has in Saquon Barkley. Why not, in good football intelligence, and in good use of all the intel that Licht’s team has conducted on the rest of the RB crop….just go ahead and MAKE a way to GET Saquon??? It’s the most intelligent and experienced thing to do.
Go Bucs!
Go Bucs! Go Bold! Go Barkley! Go Primetime!
April 22nd, 2018 at 10:21 am
I’m still hoping-dreaming for a Draft Day Double trade down scenario with Bills&Pats. Trade #1 w/ Bills: #7 for the 12, an extra 2nd(53) & a 3rd(96) in 2018….Then trade 12&102 to Pats for 23/31..Allowing the BFO to pull off a shocker & take both Michel(@31) & N.Chubb(@38) to fill RB void. (Bucs need 2 RB’s, why not get 2 guys that we know can co-exist & be a 2-headed RB monster for another SB run???
(Would use #23 & #53 on CB & OG…or visa versa. & #96 on S or RT…Depending on fit/BPA at need position…w/o reaching to fill that need!)
April 22nd, 2018 at 10:57 am
@BBB
Still with you bro but on this board there is a broad belief that RB’s are EASY to find in later rounds. BTW did you post here before under a different name. I’ve only noticed you recently.
I appreciate your writing and the thought behind your posts.
For the you can find an RB later….well…not really if you want a starter and certainly not really if you want a star.
Kamara is nice but he’s not a freaking star yet. Let’s see what he can do.
In fact I simply do not see a GENUINE star in the league right now outside of Bell. Zeke/Fournette and some others are GOOD RB’s. They are assets for their team…but they are NOT Marshall Faulk…Ladainlian Tomlinson…Barry Sanders…I could go on.
And so we know the average failure rate for first rounders is 40%…position specific it’s 42% for RB’s according to an SBnation piece from 2015. That means it doesn’t include the last two drafts. Who cares the last two drafts have not produced an HOF RB. What they found is interesting.
The position has been devalued over the years but the statistics still show that it is better to draft early if you are looking for a starter.
There is a very high bust rate for RBs. The first round gives you a 58% chance of finding a starter followed by 25% in the second, 16% in the third, 11% in the fourth, 9% in the fifth, 6% in the sixth and 0% in the 7th.
If you want a stud RB, they are likely to come from the first round. If you are looking for depth, the fourth round seems to be the place to go.
What this doesn’t answer is how much importance you assign to the position in your offensive plan. We have been built as a passing team!!! Two of the targets for #3 were first rounders! One selected at the position we have this year. DJAX was the biggest WR FA available. Godwin was a 3rd round steal who projected higher on most boards.
I get that and so yeah any of a dozen RB’s MIGHT do the trick. I want to win an SB. Imagine a team built to pass got an RB who was a star…and who could easily fit into the passing game as well because he’s a dynamic receiver.
I’m not looking at busts…or some mistaken belief that 2nd 3rd round picks are going to be stars. I just can’t help but imagine the excitement of getting the best back…coming out of college at least…in a long long time.
I like Chubb and Guice and some others but they simply are not Barkley.
ALL OF THEM COULD BUST…that’s not how to look at it…what is their contribution if they don’t bust? You can’t draft scared.
Again for those who’d rather have Nelson or obviously Chubb/DE I get that and am not critical of that. Just saying Barkley would give us an entirely different dimension. We could draft a guy who can run the ball…we could draft a guy who can catch the ball…we could draft a guy who can fly like the kid from NC State…OR we could draft ONE player who does it all.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:23 am
@Stpete
Part of the problem is thinking a “star” player is the only way we can get an upgrade.
We need an upgrade at RB? Lets find the next great one. Upgrade at DE? Gotta get a guy who can get 15+ sacks. Fans go to the extreme when talking about upgrades.
We dont need a “star” RB. We need a RB who can average 4 YPC and be something defenses have to worry about. History shows you can find a guy like that anywhere in the draft.
As long as Winston is healthy and Koetter is here, Winston is gonna be throwing it 35+ times a game. The running game wont be featured the way fans think it will be.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:40 am
Greecosuave Says:
April 22nd, 2018 at 2:16 am
RB Nick Chubb
Cons: Can’t hit the edges, poor catching out the backfield, not a three down back if you don’t
He can do all these! Ya need to go back and watch actual game tape because your eyes were closed the first time.
April 22nd, 2018 at 11:45 am
Joey
Obviously I’m with BBB in my lust for Barkley. However I agree with your last post totally.
There is definitely more than one way to achieve our goal of reaching the SB.
We could get a Marshawn Lynch…or we can do like Belicheat and put it all on our QB and pick up serviceable retreads.
There are many ways to make this work and so I agree with you.
April 22nd, 2018 at 12:38 pm
@Stpete
Thats been my main point this whole time.
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:31 pm
Every year there is a surprise pick or 2 that go much higher than expected.
I believe Nick Chubb is so good that he could possibly be a 1st round pick.
Teams do their homework and regardless of what the “Expert Analysts” think teams have connections through the grapevine of certain players.
I’m just hoping that the Bucs have one with Chubb somehow.
Nick Chubb’s numbers speak for themselves.
Here is some analysis on the comparisons with Barkley.
https://www.si.com/nfl/video/2018/03/12/2018-nfl-draft-pff-nick-chubb-saquon-barkley-comparison
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:34 pm
“Cons: Can’t hit the edges” LOL
Munch on this !!!
http://www.secsports.com/video/20727364/chubb-bounces-for-big-td-run
April 22nd, 2018 at 1:39 pm
Runs over tackles and breaks away!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqfa2UdKeUw
April 22nd, 2018 at 3:47 pm
Mike Mayock said Trent Richardson was the best coming out since Adrian Peterson…eh, you can’t win em all.
April 22nd, 2018 at 6:34 pm
Feelthepewter
For sure you can’t win them all whether your Licht or Mayock. If the combined wisdom of all 32 GM’s and their staffs fail at a 40% rate in the first and then escalates in the later rounds it’s probably foolish for us to expect more out of any “expert”.
April 23rd, 2018 at 7:06 am
I would love to see Nick Chubb in a Buccaneer uniform. That would be a great pick. He should be there in the second round.