Father Dungy Talks Jameis
April 11th, 2018
Develop and execute.
Man, when Father Dungy coached the Buccaneers he talked about those two things religiously.
Dungy was a huge believer in developing coaches and young players, and he loved to talk about execution being the only real problem on his football team. Bad offense? It was always execution in Dungy’s mind. On the development front, Dungy was one of the very best in the business.
The Hall of Fame head coach is still talking about those two things and he went there on WDAE-AM 620 recently when asked about America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
Father Dungy said while it’s unclear whether Jameis should have missed more time last season and/or sat out earlier because of his shoulder injury, what Dungy does know is that it was very valuable for Jameis to have played through it.
That investment should be a partial springboard toward a big 2018, Dungy said.
“That experience is going to pay off,” Dungy said of playing through injury. “Anytime you’re out on the field you learn. To me, that talent is there. I think it’s just development and chemistry with these receivers and continuing to grow. I look for an outstanding year.”
Dungy sounded a lot like Bucs icon Ronde Barber during his eloquent take on Jameis recently. You can find that linked here.
Barber closed with the following quote about Jameis that sounded a lot like Dungy’s message. “Dirk Koetter puts a lot of faith in Jameis. And in his fourth year, I mean, it’s time. It’s time.”
April 11th, 2018 at 11:03 am
If he plays like those last few games – add in a running game and he will be even better – Jameis will be bound for a elite year provided he stays healthy.
April 11th, 2018 at 11:06 am
Dirk has no other choice to put all his faith on the player his job is tied into……if he wants his job of course.
Dungy had prefer the sink and sunk champ Marriota so idk if Dungy knows what it looks like
April 11th, 2018 at 11:11 am
For the most MFL ready QB 4 years ago and the 1st player taken overall… how much longer and how much development?
April 11th, 2018 at 11:14 am
Careful Lamarcus,
Your Tmax is showing
April 11th, 2018 at 11:14 am
I think Dungy is the greatest coach of any kind in Bucs history but miss me with choosing a garbage player like Marriato over JW.
April 11th, 2018 at 11:17 am
Stop with the Tmax comparison. Tmaxcon is your guys WORST NIGHTMARE!!! Im just a Joebucsfan follower who comments.
April 11th, 2018 at 11:25 am
If Jameis could ever get his accuracy under control…..
He sees the field, he is smart, tuff as nails and a great leader.
A running game will help that’s for sure. I worry that accuracy is something You are born with for the most part.
April 11th, 2018 at 11:31 am
How much did he really develop???? Take away Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, and Nickerson who all were here before dungy, and Rice was a free-agent, who did he really develop?????? why was the defense better after he left???????? One of the most overrated coaches in history!!!!!!!!! He really held this franchise back of what it could have been!!!!!!! Thank goodness Mr Glazer saw this and salvaged the franchise from the closing window and brought in a “real” coach!!!!!!!!!
There is a reason why Coach Gruden is in the ring of honor and has a statue at One Buc!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 11th, 2018 at 11:32 am
Joe
I just wanted to commend you on finally ridding your site of tmax. The integrity and overall experience has skyrocketed since.
Props.
April 11th, 2018 at 11:44 am
Isn’t it nice not to have Tmax’ diarrhea diatribe…..We can discuss subjects without the unnecessary distraction.
As for Jameis playing through injury…..that is certainly a no-brainer. I like Dungy but it’s Gruden that brought it home.
April 11th, 2018 at 11:47 am
Dirk’s job and his sidekick..pressbox Smitty job are both on the line this year. Its do or die. And I for one am thrilled about this. Win or pack bags. Its just that simple.
April 11th, 2018 at 11:47 am
Get the man a running back please.
April 11th, 2018 at 11:57 am
Dungy was a great defensive coach. We was totally awful with building an offense… his choices for offensive coordinator and his desire to keep Trent Dilfer as the starter were ridiculous choices. That’s why he was fired. He only made it to the Super Bowl beacause of Payton Manning. The Colts were smart enough to keep Dungy far away from the offense… sorry but it’s true.
April 11th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
Bingo !Marine Buc
April 11th, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Hope he is right. No Buc fan would hope for Jameis to fail. But that being said, it is up for him to put it on the field. Let’s watch, cheer him on, and hope for the best. If he doesn’t, we all know what is going to happen…and none of it would be pleasant.
April 11th, 2018 at 12:08 pm
For those who are saying “how long we do need to wait for him to develop”?
My answer is he could not develop at all and I’d still be fine with him as the QB of this team.
64% completion
7.9 YPA
2:1 TD to Int Ratio
93 QB rating
Sounds like a pretty solid passer to me. Maybe not elite – but that’s solid for a year in which he hurt his throwing shoulder. If that’s him in a down year then sign me the f*ck up.
For comparison –
2014-Josh McCown
56% completion
6.7 YPA
11 TDs to 14 Ints
2014-Mike Glennon
58% completion
7 YPA
10 TDs to 6 Int
2013-Mike Glennon
59% completion
6.3 YPA
2:1 TD to Int ratio
And Josh Freeman’s best completion % in any year was 62.8; with a career average of 58%.
His best YPA was 7.3 – with an average of 6.8
He did have the one 26 TD to 7 Int year in the ultimate fluke season in Bucs history of 2010 – when we beat no winning team and played literally nothing but bottom 5-10 defenses most of the year.
For his career tho? 81 TDs to 68 Interceptions.
So for me – Winston is already obviously the best we’ve had at this position. At worst he is a top 50% QB in this league right now without any improvement.
Basically floor = top 16 QB. Ceiling = top 5 QB.
As long as he is clean in this uber thing – I’d be fine extending him right now. That’s where I stand. (not that I haven’t made these points before lol)
April 11th, 2018 at 12:21 pm
Marine Buc
If I’m not mistaken, Dungy’s Buc teams (offense), averaged more points per game than Grudens Buccaneer offenses…
Oh, and defense wins championships
April 11th, 2018 at 12:23 pm
Again if we somehow luck into Barkley because of a QB rush in the draft EVERYTHING changes.
Not just the fact that #3 will finally have a real RB …a 6′ 230 lb beast who runs a 4.4 40. That is game changing!!!
In addition it takes a lot of pressure off of all the chatter on #3…focus would move to Barkley and our Oline.
Doesn’t remove the pressure on Jameis…just a lot of the nonsensical chatter.
First time Barkley has a bad game they can turn on him. LMAO
April 11th, 2018 at 12:28 pm
It’s funny how much credit Dungy gets and Monte Kiffin is always conveniently overlooked.
If Dungy hadn’t been so darn stubborn, we would have been to the show 2 or 3 more times, IMO.
Jameis has got to put it together. We’re on year #4 and he has tons of weapons.
No more excuses!
April 11th, 2018 at 12:29 pm
For all the good Dungy did for the franchise he ran out of gas and could not take the team up the next step… and that was to the Super Bowl
April 11th, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Coach Dungy is one of the best coaches if not the best coach we have had here in Tampa, the only coach to turn around this horrible Team in a short time, and our Defense wasn’t just good it was Dominant. Say what you will about Dungy but i respect the man for his charachter and values and he did not like to run up the score and did play safer in the later quarters that tended pissed people off. For a retired coach he is the busiest guy i know because i see him all the time at our church, he flys all over, does interviews, and always has time for his family too. That is a man in my eyes.
April 11th, 2018 at 12:53 pm
Altered
One more year would have done it…and we would be the next steelers dynasty right now…
April 11th, 2018 at 12:59 pm
Realist
He took those players that were here and turned them into the greatest defense ever..isn’t that the definition of developing??????
That and by 2000-2001 our backups would have been starting on most teams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s development ‘!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fan man, Monte was great, you are correct.. He was running a defense that Tony built in Minnesota ( a defense that was always at the top of league standings). And Tony did Hire Monte, after all……
April 11th, 2018 at 1:07 pm
Funny, Dungy seems to be talking more now then when he was our coach? Jameis just needs to cut down on the turnovers to be great. Solidify the O line, get him a real running back, not a druggie hamster, and this good be the year he becomes a top five Q.B.. Aside from the fumbles, and a couple of picks his stats last year were great. Eliminate those, we’ll be fine.
April 11th, 2018 at 1:13 pm
Mr Glazer had the foresight to can dungy!!!!! It was the right call!!!!! he would never gotten it down in Tampa!!!!!
And he was lucky to have road Mannings coat tails to win one!!!!! And if it was not against loser lovie, he would have never won at the superbowl!!!!!! I still remember, dungy calling for the predictable punt, and Manning waving him off and sent the punt team back to the bench, picked up the first down, scored on that drive and later won the game!!!!!!! Hall of Fame my azzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!
thx dungy for finishing setting half the table, so Coach Gruden Could rearrange it all, light a fire under it all!!!!! And Reaching the FULL potential to grab the trophy!!!!!!!!
NO Gruden, No TROPHY!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 11th, 2018 at 1:13 pm
No doubt JMark, however, that defense remained potent long after Dungy left. There were some great defensive minds on that staff.
Dungy is a great man and was a great coach. I’m not sure of his HOF status, but as a Buc fan, he’ll always be near the top.
April 11th, 2018 at 1:14 pm
@Ronde … “Dirk Koetter puts a lot of faith in Jameis. And in his fourth year, I mean, it’s time. It’s time.” Now into their 4th year together, yes it is time for Dirk & Jameis to BOTH show what they’ve got. And despite what the Glazer Boyz say, numbers will be important, especially in terms of offensive production. Draft a beastly RB & LG and there are no excuses for this offense NOT to be putting up 28-30 PPG. Whether we can keep the key players on-board past this year is a whole different issue. So is the productivity of the defense & STs if we don’t fix the remaining holes, and that could well drive the final W-L record.
April 11th, 2018 at 1:16 pm
@Realist … “And if it was not against loser lovie, he would have never won at the superbowl!!!!!!” Chicken statement Realist. Many have said the same thing about Gruden winning the SB against his old team still running his offense. Doesn’t mean squat.
April 11th, 2018 at 1:20 pm
realist
your tmax is showing!!!!!!….lol…..dungy developed DE’s and CB’s…..something smitty has failed to do as a bucs coach……
we know why he got into the ring….and it aint because of his 57-55 record….lol….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 11th, 2018 at 1:25 pm
And he was lucky to have road Mannings coat tails to win one!!!!!
and how many rings did manning win before tony got here?…..tony was already a CHAMP!!!!!!lol!!!!!!!!
pull your skirt down realist!!!!!!!….lol….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
April 11th, 2018 at 1:34 pm
If Brian Kelly times his jump a half second better,,all this is moot and Tony would prolly still be our coach..
That and the Bert Emanuel catch ( that wasn’t)
April 11th, 2018 at 2:41 pm
Haven’t stopped by the site in a while and was wondering what all the commotion around around this ‘Tmax’ guy was about?
April 11th, 2018 at 2:49 pm
Hey 813 we agree!!!
It’s not a zero sum game guys. Tony Dungy was a great coach…Jon Gruden was a great coach!!! We don’t need to have one be great at the expense of the other.
As a Buc’s fan I appreciate them both. They had totally different styles but there’s an old proverb….
“There’s more than one way of achieving one’s aim.”
April 11th, 2018 at 3:21 pm
^^^Amen StPete!
April 11th, 2018 at 3:26 pm
How many of the points during the Dungy\Dilfer years were scored by the defense? Don’t get me wrong. I respect what Dungy did in Tampa but his offenses were painful to watch… Just horrible game after game after game… The head coach is responsible for both offense and defense. You need to give him equal blame for a horrible offense as much as you give him credit for the amazing defense. Ok?
April 11th, 2018 at 3:31 pm
What’s up Jarhead! I agree about those offenses. Isn’t it ironic that Mike Shula was the OC at one time. He’s now considered “inventive”, go figure!
April 11th, 2018 at 3:40 pm
Marine
Defensive touchdowns are accounted for in my post..
Don’t you think Gruden Benefitted from Defensive touchdowns? Nine in 2002.
Bottom line is Gruden is touted as an offensive genius. In reality his offenses were no better than Tony’s….
And I would take a fierce, feared defense and a coach who was straight with his players,any day …. OK?
April 11th, 2018 at 4:42 pm
Injuries hurt our team with Jw having a bad shoulder it was probably a little difficult for him to throw deep. Give him a great rb and some protection and we will have a great offense. Beef up the defensive with some more pass rushers, and cB/ss. Trade back
April 11th, 2018 at 4:47 pm
Marine
Last points to my rant….
How much defensive coaching did Gruden do? ZIP, NADA…
Am I glad we won a Super Bowl? Absolutely, and thanks Jon…
Is he the best coach we ever had? Nope, not even close…
April 11th, 2018 at 4:49 pm
I saw Marine Buc Post and was like, wait I didn’t say that!!!
Semper Fi
April 11th, 2018 at 4:57 pm
Marine Buc
I was in the Army but still enjoy your posts lol. Thanks for your service.
As far as Tony’s horrid offenses I do not disagree. But Gruden’s offenses were nothing to get that jacked about…they did just enough to let the Defense win games for us. What did Sapp say…just gets us a few points on offense and we’ll do the rest. Gruden rode that formula to an SB title.
I go back and forth sometimes with Defense Rules because I’m an old AFL guy…let it fly…score some points…produce running games that don’t just pound the rock but can take it to the house….can you say Saquan Barkley’s 4.4 40!!!
I get D.R. and everybody says defense win championships so I totally understand where he’s coming from and can’t disagree…
For me though it’s a matter of preference….I have NEVER seen a truly good Buc offense…much less a great one…if Barkley falls to 7 I might get my wish.
April 11th, 2018 at 4:59 pm
Realist : STAY ON THE BLACK! You forever ranting about THE FATHER DUNGY, like a JAHOVA WITNESS…if you could touch the hem of his garment, you will be healed of DUNGY HATE!! CONTINUE TO BUILD A WALL ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BAY!!!
April 11th, 2018 at 5:05 pm
Damn, I ain’t the biggest Tmax fan, but he’s not here, why keep talking about him. Get of that man lol.
April 11th, 2018 at 5:09 pm
its funny how folks want to blame tony for the offense even tho he’s a defensive coach and had a nasty defense but place “0” blame or accountable on dirk for his lousy defense and offense for that matter…..
people drag tony’s name thru the mud and never want to give him credit for at least bringing the bucs to a respectable level and an actual professional team…..they forget the fact that he was robbed in st. loius….bert Emmanuel caught that damn ball!!!!!!!…..
but when it come to gruden, its all the glazers and dom fault…..even tho “real fans” told him he won with tony’s defense…..he dismantled the defense and sucked….
when it comes to dirk, its IRMA, SOS, lack of talent, lack of leadership, no bye week, injuries, lovie, Dom, I mean the list goes on……
I cant do sh!t but laugh…..happy tony has 2rings so he can laugh at all the haters….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!!
April 11th, 2018 at 5:31 pm
Lord , you speak the truth and he was prob the best or at least top 5 qb with no , Notta run game the last 3 games of the year !!! Plus 3 backup o lineman and down a starting rec!!
However , Dirk Un handcuffed himself by getting Martin off the field so that helped him be at least an honest Offensive Coord and head coach towards the end !!! See he and Licht coached around Martin for almost 2 years ,,,,,of which the last 12 games they actually knew what they didn’t know before ( clueless) but chose to stubbornly not accept it !!! ………….Truth !!!! WORD !!!
April 11th, 2018 at 10:40 pm
How would Tony Dungy or Ronde Barber know more than some guy named Moe, or the amateur knee jerks that want Jameis and McCoy traded rom cut?
You know, these people are probably still playing Madden 2005. That teaches the average fan everything they need to know.
April 12th, 2018 at 1:50 am
Just listen to Bucs great !! They all said change was needed , and hbakful for dingy but they agree a change was needed
April 12th, 2018 at 1:07 pm
One of our great Coaches was not even the HC, he was the OC in 1979 when we finally got to the playoffs for the very first time and with his brilliance we beat a Philadelphia Eagle Team that could have won the Super Bowl. I was at the old sombrero and watched it in person. That Coach was Joe Gibbs who went on to win two Super Bowls as HC of the Redskins. Had the Bucs hired him as our HC he would have won Super Bowls here before Jon Gruden. Dungy took over a terrible Bucs team and turned them into a winner in his second year. He was the first Buc’s Coach to do that and he is also a brilliant Coach as is Jon Gruden which you have heard as he broadcasted Monday Night Football. He and Dungy both have Super Bowl Rings to prove it and Gibbs has two.
April 12th, 2018 at 1:16 pm
By the way the youngest HC in the NFL who has miraculously turned around the Rams Team last year and won their Division and went to the playoffs, like Dungy turned around the Bucs, was Jon Gruden’s intern when Jon won the Bucs Super Bowl and he learned most of what he knows about football from Jon Gruden.