CBS Sports: Forget About It
April 7th, 2018
No way?
In the mind of one plugged-in NFL insider, the Bucs won’t have any chance of getting one of the better players in the draft, and maybe the best player entering the NFL.
And that player would be North Carolina State defensive end Bradley Chubb.
Heavy metal headbanging Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports has been working his contacts and he doesn’t see any way, outside of something totally crazy happening early on the first night of the draft, that Chubb will be on the board when the Bucs are on the clock picking at No. 7.
Bradley Chubb’s floor is sixth overall
The more time you spend digesting this draft class, the more clear it becomes just how scant it is on proven pass rushers. And if NFL free agency teaches us anything, it’s that you are more likely to land a former Pro Bowl QB on the open market than you are an elite pass rusher in his prime. So no way I see Chris Ballard – desperate to rebuild the Colts long-anemic defense – letting Chubb get past him. I still think he’s gone by fourth overall if Dorsey keeps that pick, but six is the floor.
As Joe has been typing for weeks, though Joe would not do it, Joe’s reading of the tea leaves is that if available, Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht will pull the lever on this Quenton Nelson, a guard out of Notre Dame.
April 7th, 2018 at 12:11 am
Would be surprised if either Nelson or Chubb are there. If Barkley is as good a second people say and as highly valued none of those three will. Let’s face it.. 4 Qbs aren’t going in the first six picks. It’s not all that uncommon for two Qbs to go early, but not that common for three in the top ten. Four is unheard of.. there’s been drafts in recent history where everyone figured a qb would go top five and he’s still sitting there until late first round when someone pulls the trigger. Sure every year Qbs seem more important, but four in top six? Sounds like wishful thinking from bucs fans. Doubt other fans in different draft position are thinking that at all
April 7th, 2018 at 12:15 am
I Still say that Nelson and Fitzpatrick are the creams of this draft. Both have the ability to play 12 years at a high level.
April 7th, 2018 at 12:20 am
So let’s get this straight, the Bucs need a starting guard and if Nelson is there and Barkey and Chubb are gone you would pass on a guy that is rated as one of if not THE best player in the entire draft when he could be plug and play day one? Drafting like the way you think is why we have been so bad for so long. Not to mention having a great interior line helps not only the running game but the most important person on this team, the quarterback. In what world would someone not do that?
April 7th, 2018 at 12:27 am
i think its a strong possibility that Chubb and Nelson are both there…..the run on QB’s and Barkley will be strong….theres other DE’s and G’s available too.
Im hoping we get lucky and land a trade thats irresistible, drop to the mid teens and land Big V or Landry and recoup our 3rd.
But if Chubb is there and we take him, Im all about that too.
April 7th, 2018 at 12:27 am
I could see one of the three (Chubb, Barkley, Nelson) being there at 7, but I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they’re all gone either. If they are, we might also not have the opportunity to trade down. If that’s the case, we’ll need to either take Derwin James, or Denzel Ward. IMHO I think Ward is the better value. Although they’d likely spend the same amount of time on the field (SS and #2CB don’t really come off the field), I’d argue that #2CB is the bigger need here. Our #1CB is probably gonna hang it up after this year, and then Ward is the #1 next year. James would be awesome to have, but I think Ward is where we’d need to go if we can’t get any of the others.
April 7th, 2018 at 12:33 am
There’s a very strong possibility 4 Qb’s go in the top 6
April 7th, 2018 at 12:50 am
Not a chance without a trade up.
April 7th, 2018 at 1:02 am
This is why I am ALL FOR DAVENPORT…
Its a perfect storm for a guy like him. Word has it he is a Gains Adams personalty… (SIGH) However, Adams was ear marked to be the man day one. Davenport would be just another dude on a stacked Dline…
If left with no options to trade down or QN is gone… GET Davenport… I would take him over Chubby at this point…
Opportunity meets Potential…
April 7th, 2018 at 1:03 am
I could see Barkley or Nelson falling to 7 but agree that 6 is the floor for Chubb. Nelson and Barkley are also good players but it’s tough to spend an early pick on a RB or G. The more I watch game film on Barkley I’m not sure he’s going to be a special player. I love his measurables and versatility but when I watch the game film I don’t see enough consistency. Don’t get me wrong I’d strongly consider him at 7 but taking him top 5 would be a tough call.
April 7th, 2018 at 1:37 am
In a world where a game-changer is more important.
April 7th, 2018 at 2:09 am
It’s possible he falls to #7
#1-3 QB
#4 Browns: Saquon
#5 Broncos: Ward or Nelson
#6 Bills (trade with Colts): QB
#7 Bucs: Chubb
April 7th, 2018 at 2:14 am
B Coburn Says:
April 7th, 2018 at 12:11 am
So, I don’t know if you take in other sports media sources, but it’s commonly assumed that 3 will go in the top 6, and possibly 4. So unless you’re the draft projection yogi who can see reality more clearly than everyone else, I think you might wanna put down the crack pipe.
April 7th, 2018 at 2:18 am
Derwin is a better pass rusher than Chubb per PFF
April 7th, 2018 at 3:10 am
Spending the 7th overall pick on a guard- ANY guard, is getting low value for your pick.
Even if he is the best guard in the NFL, he doesnt have much impact on the game.
Thats why Guards are low dollar guys on the pay scale.
You wont win a football game- because your right guard played great.
What is a guards responsibilities?
The biggest majority of NFL DTs cant pass rush. Even far fewer Nose tackles.
So on passing downs- you are looking to stalemate a guy- who probably wasnt coming foward much anyway.
On Running plays, usually the guard and center double team the DT or NT- to create a running lane. Hoping to get the Back into the Lbers and Safeties.
You plan for your guard to reach the next level- I.E getting thru the DT, and blocking a LBer. But doesnt happen often. Most plays, you have too many guys laying on the ground, for your guard to get thru.
Really atheletic guards are asked to “pull” sometimes. That means they loop around behind the tackle, trying to blast the LBer
This play isnt used much. NFL Lbers and Safeties are so quick- they often read the play, and can blow it up for huge loses
This just isnt enough impact on the games outcome, to warrent that high of a pick
April 7th, 2018 at 4:04 am
This draft gets more confusing for me the closer it comes. Bradley Chubb is the edge rusher coming out but he played with a super line which will have all 4 drafted. I would love to say how he elevated the play of his team mates but the two interior guys were nearly unstoppable at Senior Bowl practices. Chubb might evolve into the third best rusher in the next 2-3 seasons.
Davenport looks like a great raw prospect but then you compare his physical skillset to Tremaine Edmunds.
Tremaine Edmunds is the freakiest athlete to come out in a long, long time. He might become the best edge rusher in the class if used in that manner. I wish Va Tech would have used him in that role so that he could’ve been evaluated. If they would have, his player comp would be Von Miller. Except he is bigger, faster and younger coming out. His movement skills/size/weight relationship are staggering. At 19 his strength hasn’t come in yet and he probably hasn’t totally finished growing. If I was going to look for the “raw” pass rusher vs say Marcus Davenport, I might gamble more with Edmunds.
When you look at his tangible qualities, he has size comparable (better length) to Davenport and athleticism that rivals James. His physical package at 19 surpasses both Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr entering the draft. With his long limbs and dreads flying all over the place he looks like the Predator on the field. Va Tech used him in man coverage on a slot receiver, and he looked good in that role.
April 7th, 2018 at 5:40 am
First time for every thing, outside of the colts all the teams listed need a qb. Maybe this is the year. I would be happy with Nelson.
April 7th, 2018 at 6:27 am
Trade Desean for a pick to move up the guy has no business starting unless it’s in the slot and as a wild card on the outside Godwin needs to start draft another wr
April 7th, 2018 at 6:35 am
“On this Quenton Nelson.” It’s hilarious how dismissive you are of an Oline that quite literally every GD scout out rates as the best offensive lineman to come out in the past 20 years. You act like draft picks are invaluable pieces of treasure – and that additional picks will mean additional starters. F’ing Marcus Davenport is a project. Sure let’s go with someone that may or may not be a swell player over a guy that will immediately become your best offensive lineman on day one. Dee dee dee deee durrrrrrr
April 7th, 2018 at 6:57 am
If the Colts don’t trade out of #6 then either Chubb or Nelson will be their pick. The Browns staying at #4 and picking Chubb is intriguing too.
As we get closer and closer to the draft I’m becoming more and more afraid that Barkley will be the one out of “the big 3” to be there at #7.
April 7th, 2018 at 7:34 am
If 4 QBs aren’t drafted in the top 6….then we will likely have a trading partner…..if 4 are chosen……Nelson will likely be the 1 of the top 3 available.
Either way, we will be in good shape.
April 7th, 2018 at 7:47 am
I can see Barkley falling to 7 and they would likely draft him as an impact player. Not sure about them taking Chubb at 7 since it’s a high investment in a position that they’ve already addressed in FA and one that wouldn’t pan out with immediate results. I can see them possibly taking Nelson at 7 because of intangibles and seeming ability to step in at RG and make the entire line better. If none of them are available they’ll probably go with the best player available most likely James. He can tackle in space, cover decently and rush the passer if necessary.
April 7th, 2018 at 7:51 am
No rookie D Lineman impacts the game first year . They take time to physically develop going against the best in the world. That being said I believe that the Bucs management is in win now mode. So it’s either Barkey, Nelson or James. DB and running back are speed based position so young fresh legs are pivotal.
April 7th, 2018 at 8:04 am
OK, prediction: Licht will choose CB Ward with our #7 pick, regardless of which of the BIG-3 is still available. That’s why he hasn’t signed any CBs in FA.
April 7th, 2018 at 8:05 am
“No rookie D Lineman impacts the game first year”
Joey Bosa had 10.5 sacks as a rookie. Carl Lawson had 8.5 last year as a rookie. Myles Garret t and TJ Watt both had 7 as a rookie last year. All of which would’ve lead the Bucs in sacks.
This is such a tired narrative.
April 7th, 2018 at 8:20 am
B Coburn that was a good post. I agree, 4 QBs going in the top 6 picks is unheard of and is simply wishful thinking by Bucs fans. This is especially true considering the 3 best true prospects in this draft are not QBs. The only way this would happen is if all 4 QBs were thought of along the lines of Andrew Luck and they are not. Two of the four have big question marks and will probably go in the middle to late part of the first round. If the Bucs can’t trade back they will have to see if Fitzpatrick, James or Ward are there and pick the best one.
April 7th, 2018 at 8:39 am
The “theme” of the 5th pick vs the 7th pick rears it’s ugly head yet again. Watch what Denver is able to do with their pick vs what options Tampa is left with at 7.
April 7th, 2018 at 8:42 am
The chances of Chubb not becoming a Pro Bowl level talent are a lot greater than Nelson. Go look at the last 5 drafts and the top 10 DE selected and see where they are now if you want a reference. Bosa is it. Myles Garrett has had what impact? Clowney? Thomas? Minimal impact and inconsistent play is commonplace in this group.
I have Nelson graded higher than Chubb as a result of this projection. Please INDY take Chubb and leave us the best OL in the draft! Nelson has been a blue chip talent since high school whereas Chubb has developed in the past 2 years. I would also say who has played tougher talent on a consistent basis…Notre Dame or NC State??? ND by a long shot.
April 7th, 2018 at 8:47 am
I’m not understanding why for so many people Denzel Ward is their #1 cornerback? Is it just because of the fast 40? His frame will get abused in the NFL.
I would take both Jaire Alexander and Josh Jackson over him.
April 7th, 2018 at 8:55 am
At this point we know for a fact picks 1,3 are going QB. From the rumor mill Buffalo and Miami are looking to get ahead of us for the right QBs. The giants pick will determine how the draft unfolds for us. If they take a QB we are going to either get a trade back offer or a crack at one of the big 3. Chubb would actually be the worse prospect to fall to Licht because he would not necessarily make the team better THIS year. I would still take him in a heartbeat but Licht might draft him for the next guy if we don’t win this year.
April 7th, 2018 at 9:08 am
I just don’t see the Giants taking a QB, since Eli Manning isn’t finished yet.
They may trade out of their spot, and the team they trade with will take a QB.
April 7th, 2018 at 9:11 am
i agree Joe
April 7th, 2018 at 9:11 am
Nope. Forgetaboutit. I all reasy have. Chubbs gone by our pick. Had we just followed our foolish pride and tanked that last game against the Saibts..We’d be sittin in high cotton right now. The Spurs did it with Tim Duncan and look what it got them..A few championships and 20 yrs of playoff contentions!! We coulda had Chubb but hey..its a..BucLife Baby!!
April 7th, 2018 at 9:24 am
Hmmmmm…….I wonder if we should have won that game against the Saints???
April 7th, 2018 at 9:40 am
It’s koetter’s fault for not having a Harvard qb in the game on that last drive of the season.
April 7th, 2018 at 9:45 am
winning that saints game….. we cant lose right
April 7th, 2018 at 9:46 am
His floor is sixth.
Yep and the useless victory over the the Saints cost us the fifth pick.
April 7th, 2018 at 9:51 am
Capt Tim for the win. You don’t take a G at 7 unless you are a sound football team everywhere else. I know he’s good and could possibly bee great for a long time but the fact is most of you wouldn’t know if he was.
April 7th, 2018 at 9:58 am
LOL LostinPA nobody is saying it is a slam dunk that QBs go top 3. Giants could very well take Chubb and Saquon might top 3 as well. Most mocks have QBs going top 3 but there are also a lot of smokescreens going on now too. To act like its a slam dunk when the top 3 prospects are not QBs is just silly.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:01 am
Honestly, everybody should be praying that the “big three” are gone by 7, that makes the likelihood of trading back exponentially higher. If Rosen or Allen are still on the board at 7 the chances of the Bills wanting to leapfrog the Dolphins is almost a given.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:02 am
Defense Rules comment award winner of the thread at 8:04. That’s exactly what these numbskulls will do. That’s the “Bucs Way” baby.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:03 am
D.R.
Are you just trying to get me riled up this morning? LOL
If we take a freaking DB with one of the big three on the board then I go full bore troll on Licht.
AGAIN…a generational DB who can ABSOLUTELY shut down the leagues’ top WR’s and basically give the DC just half of a field to worry about is worth whatever it takes to get him…draft pick or money. There are NONE of these in this years draft and yes Lattimore was a nice addition for the Saints but he went 11th not in the top ten.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:04 am
And I am with Capt. Tim on this, I love Quenton Nelson, but I would much prefer that pick later than 7. I truly think they do want to position themselves to grab two CBs and a RB early in this draft, a trade back is the best way to accomplish that.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:18 am
I Think you guys have covered about every pick 7 draft scenario possible. I just have 3 rather mundane observations that certainly won’t rock anyones world. It looks like whether we hold at 7 or trade down we should get a pretty good player. I am a best player available advocate as long as he is a relative need (No QB’s this year) however that means if Tremaine Edmunds is still there at 7 and the big 3 are gone and there are no trade partners I would take him. Finally my favorite selection at 7 is Quenton Nelson because he provides multiple services. First and foremost he protects Jameis, he solidifies what appears to be a dam good O-line for a long time which means our run game (regardless of who our RB’s are) should thrive and our passing game likewise.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:23 am
“You don’t take a guard at 7 unless you’re a sound football team.” Jesus aged Christ – fans lecturing the Bucs and other fans on what’s logical. But you’re soooo right brah Quenton Nelson shouldn’t be picked at 7 – he will be picked as high as 2 with the giants, or the broncos at 5 – 2 teams that have been to what, 11 SuperBowls combined, and their fans will be more than happy have him and you Fans here can go find your imaginary shut down corner and project defensive ends in this years draft
April 7th, 2018 at 10:30 am
Why did you put my above post in moderation. Everyone of my comments for the past year have been in moderation. This has been answered over and over. There are about 4 commenters in Joe’s system that land in moderation and didn’t do anything wrong. You’re one of them. Joe can’t figure it out (neither can Joe’s IT guy) and has given up trying.–Joe
That doesn’t seem fair to me, I have not once produced a derogatory post and have read many that are far more aggressive than mine. What happens is I respond to a topic with other posters and in the meantime you write another article with a different topic and everyone moves to that subject. on average an hour or so later my comment pops up and I might as well be conversing with myself. joe, it’s not fair.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:49 am
Buvs365. . Don’t care what everyone is predicting.. I’m just going by history. Never happened before and by all accounts qbs are fairly weak. What makes this year so special? Qbs are always over projected and after first couple end up going later than all the experts predict. That’s my whole point. In general drafts never go as experts predict.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:53 am
Martinni,sorry you have to get moderated.i get moderated all the time and I like it.it makes me behave myself.and it’s very justifiable on Joe’s part,I need to be moderated sometimes!
April 7th, 2018 at 11:13 am
Mike
You are the main proponent of the LOSE a game on purpose because you think the win had NO value for 2018 to build on and you feel it messed up our draft.
The first is of course debatable…But the draft…I do not get your point.
What high cotton are you talking about? If we pick 5th…the big three would be gone as well…unless you believe that the QB’s would have been inserted…but if you believe that then 7 is just as good.
In fact Mike with all due respect you have NO point. If you had waited until after the draft perhaps…but right now you have NO way of knowing what the loss really meant to our acquisition of talent which is actually the bottom line…now where we draft but the actual RESULTS. We may yet get one of the big three…many here hope we don’t because they want us to trade down!!! So you must think all of those folks are morons. Why would we LOSE the last game of the season against one of our top rivals? To get a better draft day trade? Again perhaps. But I believe you’re jumping the gun.
Now we could have the debate that Joe has already faciliated three years ago against that same team. When there is a franchise QB on the board and you MUST have the #1 I get that…but again even though I understand and recognize that point…it’s simply not me. I HATE LOSING for whatever reason.
Once you create ONE excuse for losing…others will follow.
I’m with 813….NO EXCUSES including the draft. Just win baby.
April 7th, 2018 at 11:39 am
You might need to quit clicking on that cartoon site.
April 7th, 2018 at 12:29 pm
This is why that touchdown pass hurt us smh. I understand finishing the season with a win, but picking 4th we aren’t having this discussion. Also, I think if Nelson is there he is the pick. There’s a reason the Bucs chose to move Ali to LG instead of back to RG and it’s not sweezy and his bad ass back
April 7th, 2018 at 1:10 pm
We’re going to get stuck with Nelson. Then we’re going to take a second tier DE in the 2nd, then a RB that’s labeled a “sleeper” in the 3rd. Nelson will do nothing. The DE will struggle. The RB will be a “special teams stand-out” and the Bucs will be 6-10. Another boring draft that piggy-backs on the fact that had we drafted Dalvin Cook we wouldn’t be in this garbage position.
April 7th, 2018 at 1:24 pm
We’re going to get stuck with Nelson. Then we’re going to take a second tier DE in the 2nd, then a RB that’s labeled a “sleeper” in the 3rd. Nelson will do nothing. The DE will struggle. The RB will be a “special teams stand-out” and the Bucs will be 6-10. Another boring draft that piggy-backs on the fact that had we drafted Dalvin Cook we wouldn’t be in this garbage position.
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Dalvin Cook is not good, and a starting caliber NFL running. He’ll have one big game, then disappear for 3 games. After his injury, he’s definitely not going to be that guy. Best thing we ever did was not draft that guy…
April 7th, 2018 at 2:16 pm
@martini and Joe. If you create a new user account it might help with the automatic moderation.
April 7th, 2018 at 2:23 pm
^ this…..gj Red
April 7th, 2018 at 2:25 pm
Harold Landry DE….
16 sacks his junior year
…..was injured his senior year so that explains the drop off.
April 7th, 2018 at 2:29 pm
Some of yall mf’ers dont know how……but thats all good…do you.
April 7th, 2018 at 3:54 pm
Trooper –
What 3 round pick? Ours went to NYG for JPP
April 7th, 2018 at 9:47 pm
@Waterboy – I was watching combine footage again and I got a little turned off of Barkley when I saw they had to explain to him that his lead foot is his lead foot because it’s in front. These boys don’t need to be rocket surgeons but the inability to understand simple concepts like that is a little concerning.
April 7th, 2018 at 9:58 pm
@martinni – question are you using your phone to visit the site? If yes are you constantly connecting to free WiFi spots when you go places to keep your data usage down? When I am on my phone and I connect to a new WiFi network I get kicked into moderation likely because I am getting a new IP address assigned to my phone by the WiFi connection. I have been out eating, jumped on their WiFi, come to Joebucsfan, get kicked into moderation, then go home and be back on my network and not get moderated any more.
April 7th, 2018 at 10:07 pm
As far as the draft goes I am in the trade down crowd. We still have too many holes and not enough picks. I would love to see multiple trade downs into the late first round or maybe even out of the first round entirely. We can still land guys who should be solid contributors in the late first and second round. Then next year we can make a move for a stud on defensive line. There should be several guys next year at DT and DE who will be great additions to this team.
April 7th, 2018 at 11:11 pm
Chubb is a no brainerif he is there. A must pick.
I do not think he’ll be there anymore.
So the pick should be Minkah, Unless a QB drops and they’re able to trade back five or six spots and get some extra pics
April 8th, 2018 at 10:27 pm
Bring back Sabby!
Chubb will be gone. Move it on.
April 8th, 2018 at 10:35 pm
It’s probably going to be minkah he seems to be the least talked about playerl