“Take Control Of The Route”
April 5th, 2018
BY IRA KAUFMAN
Hold off on your seven-round mock drafts for a moment and get real, Stick Carriers.
The Bucs aren’t in bad shape sitting at No. 7 — and the word of the day is value. Things would get easy if Bradley Chubb, Saquon Barkley or Quenton Nelson are still on the board, or things can get messy if the big three are all gone.
I’m hearing a lot of chatter about Jason Licht selecting Minkah Fitzpatrick or Derwin James in that scenario, but I’m not buying it.
Yes, James and Fitzpatrick are intriguing prospects, but the Bucs can’t afford to take a safety at No.7. That’s not value for a team that desperately needs help at corner in a draft that includes Denzel Ward.
“Ward has electric feet,” says ESPN analyst Matt Bowen. “He can just move.” Ward proved that at the combine with a sizzling 4.32 time, but his talents extend far beyond sheer speed. Ward has exceptional ball skills — and that’s what the Bucs crave opposite veteran Brent Grimes.
In a division crammed with elite quarterbacks, you have to fill your roster with outside corners you can trust. Judge for yourself whether there’s enough guys currently employed at One Buc Place who can adequately cover:
Javien Elliott. Maurice Fleming. Grimes. Vernon Hargreaves. David Rivers. Josh Robinson. Ryan Smith.
Can you see Drew Brees suffering through a sleepless night before going against this motley crew?
Enter Ward, who doesn’t plan on giving receivers a 10-yard cushion.
“Ward does a lot of stuff that allows him to keep his shoulders square,” Bowen said. “From a press position, it’s called a ‘motor-mirror’ or a ‘shuffle-scoot.’ It’s extremely hard to teach and execute. That allows him to stay square and take control of the route.”
Control of the route … that has a nice ring to it.
One In Five
Hargreaves showed some promise last season at nickel, but if he had developed as expected as an outside corner, Tampa Bay wouldn’t be in this pickle.
I can’t see the Bucs taking a safety at No. 7, a year after grabbing Justin Evans in the second round. In the past five years, only one safety (Jamal Adams/Jets) was drafted within the top 10 picks.
There’s some talk that Fitzpatrick has the versatility to develop into a solid pro cornerback, but the reality is there isn’t much tape of Fitzpatrick lining up at outside corner. James excelled at safety for FSU, but again, he has limited experience lining up on the outside.
“The competition from No. 7 down to No. 10 is Fitzpatrick, Ward and James, with Quenton Nelson in that mix,” says ESPN’s Mel Kiper. “A couple of those guys were considered maybe the No. 1 player in this draft. Minkah didn’t test great in terms of that explosive athleticism. He is that combo safety/corner, where James is locked into that safety spot and Ward is a pure cover guy.”
There’s one scenario where drafting James or Fitzpatrick makes sense.
Making The Leap
If the big three are gone, the Bucs should field offers to trade back. Taking Fitzpatrick or James at No. 12 represents value, especially if Licht recoups a third-round pick in the process.
Instead of landing Ward in that scenario, the Bucs would likely have to consider other cornerbacks on their list, perhaps Mike Hughes of UCF or Iowa ballhawk Josh Jackson.
Still, I keep coming back to Ward.
Ohio State cornerbacks coach Kerry Coombs insists Ward is every bit as good as Marshon Lattimore, who just turned in a stellar rookie season way down yonder in New Orleans. Lattimore was a difference maker as the Saints pass defense vaulted from 32nd to 15th.
That’s the kind of leap of faith Buc fans are pining for this fall.
Ira Kaufman is the most revered sports personality and writer in town. He has hung his hat at JoeBucsFan.com world headquarters since July 2016. Tampa Bay’s only Pro Football Hall of Fame voter, Ira busts out columns here every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and his award winning podcasts fire Tuesdays and Thursdays. You can also hear Ira on SiriusXM Mad Dog Radio Wednesdays during football season, and see him now on Mondays at 10:30 p.m. on Spectrum Sports 360 (aka BayNews 9). Ira also is part of the FOX-13 Tailgate Sunday and enjoys beet salads, Riesling, Chiefs victories and needling Joe.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:14 am
But as Joe has said on NUMEROUS occasions Ira, our secondary coaches will most likely coach the GREATNESS/PROMISE out of him or any other CB we select.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:14 am
Love the articles Eye-Rahh!! I’d rather have Harold Landry if we trade back though. You can never have enough pass rushers and that guy is a stud
April 5th, 2018 at 6:25 am
Sorry Josh Jackson is a first round guy so cross him off that scenario sage.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:26 am
Yes to this! Our CBs are the weakest link on the D after the FA signings. Brent Grimes may get injured again. Then What? Derwin James is going to fix that? Either get Denzel Ward and close your eyes knowing you have a position of strength. Or if the trade offer is too good to pass up, then pick up Minkah Fitzpatrick a few spots below. He’s versatile and gives you a real CB/S option rather than forcing Ryan Smith (square peg) into a round hole. This gives us options to get Mike Hughes or Josh Jackson later and possibly get Sony Michel.
I would trade down at all costs if Nelson is the one out of the big 3 to reach #7. But, if the trade doesn’t materialize, get Denzel Ward instead of Nelson.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:32 am
Only people ok with drafting a safety at 7 are homer FSU fans.
Anyone else with half a brain knows drafting a safety at 7 is STTTUUUPIDDD.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:34 am
Mel Kiper and Todd McShay have both penciled in Denzel Ward to the Bucs at 7. For whatever that’s worth. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
April 5th, 2018 at 6:45 am
Ward is a bust for this team in the current scheme just like Hargreaves. No amount of talent is going to help Ward if he can’t play man coverage.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:51 am
I love the trade back options. If we get 12 and 22 we could get Fitzpatrick/James at 12, Hughes at 23 and still pick up N. Chubb/Michel in the second. This would give us a luxury DT pick in the fourth.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:53 am
O-line, D-line or secondary are all good choices with 1st round pick
RB is not
April 5th, 2018 at 7:04 am
Denzel Ward is the only option. Sadly. I wish we could take Derwin James. If Hargreaves wasn’t a BUST we could take James and fill our backfield with young, fast players. Unfortunately, VHIII is a bust.
Grimes needs his heir and Hargreaves ain’t it.
Hargreaves needs to be pushed. He’s very spoiled and cocky but not tough or elite.
Denzel Ward is a pretty close clone to Grimes.
Grimes and Denzel Ward? With our current front 7? Nice!
However, I wish we could take Nelson or James at #7.
But because Hargreaves sucks, we must replace him.
April 5th, 2018 at 7:16 am
VH3 may be a bust from the standpoint that he was drafted high to be an outside corner, but he’ll turn into a better nickel corner so we at least get some productivity from him. So, he’s not a bust, yet, from the standpoint that he won’t make the team as a starter.
Mike Smith has tinkered with the lineup too much, but part of it has to do with no front 4 pressure and that makes a sane man do some crazy ish. This will be the year the coaches will either get exposed or the players will ball out. I just wish the team last year tackled better and were in the right position. Even with a talent deficiency and the secondary being asked to do too much, at the very least the fundamentals should be pounded into their skulls.
And I do believe Chucky is right, these guys need to practice like it’s game day.
April 5th, 2018 at 7:19 am
First, Ward is NOT Lattimore. Especially not in the big games, and most of the tape, no matter what his position coach says leading up to the draft, surprise surprise.
Second, and CB (and this year’s draft class) wouldn’t be of value till about the 15-18th selection, not at #7.
Third, we do have what appears to be a real issue with our present coaching staff “coaching up” rookie corners, however for the scheme VHIII was very poorly chosen.
So…NOPE. On Ward. Get those 6-8 trade up scenarios ready Licht!!
Go Bucs!
April 5th, 2018 at 7:20 am
I’m not gona pretend to be an expert but I’d much prefer the trade back option. Getting the 3 back and a 2 should be the haul. I’d prefer that scenario, as I think Hughes could be just as good as Ward. Jacksons not bad either. I still feel going corner would be a mistake tho. Without a pass rush it doesnt matter who plays corner. I dont think the pass rush is there yet. Only reason lattimore excelled is the aints had jordan and okafor humming and they blitzed alot. Constant pressure. Yes he is good but nobody is gona cover for long.
April 5th, 2018 at 7:35 am
The Problem Ira is that Ward is a much riskier pick than James.
I guaran-frickin-tee you Derwin James will be a stud NFL player. An “impact” player. A difference maker.
Don’t have nearly the same confidence that Ward will be able to transition to the pros so successfully.
You may not like using #7 overall on a safety – neither do I – but Licht HAS to pick the best player available at #7. If Chubb, Nelson and Barkley are off the board and no good trade down offers come – then I can pretty much guarantee you that Derwin James will be sitting at the top of the Bucs Big Board and will be the pick.
Surely no one would object to an Eric Berry/John Lynch type presence in our defensive backfield for the next 10 years. That’s exactly what you are looking at with James.
April 5th, 2018 at 7:37 am
Better check with Joe, Ira……we can’t develop young CBs…..
If that’s true, why haven’t we added some seasoned vets…..
April 5th, 2018 at 7:39 am
Know what I’ve learned about the first round for the Bucs? It’s impossible to predict (outside of Winston).
Don’t look for the most likely pick, because it never happens that way.
For all we know, Licht might want a QB.
April 5th, 2018 at 7:50 am
Great
Ira wants another small corner like VH3 picked at 7.
To me a top 10 pick is a freak athletically, has dominant size and speed, outstanding production and is a possible team captain.
Nelson, Barkley, Chubb and James all fit that description and that’s why if the Bucs stay at 7 one of those gentlemen should be the pick.
April 5th, 2018 at 7:51 am
Irv, you almost sold me on being on board with Ward, but that has passed now, all in with Nelson, unless you can get chubb or Barkley, but, then have licht go out and find 2 adequate (which is better than anyone on the roster) NFL CBs that are still sitting out there, go get them and hope the front 7 can get to the QB this year with the new additions…..that bucs win over NO last game of the year really hurt the buc’s future, they would be able to get so much from several teams right now, still might be able to get New England’s 2 #1s with a trade…
April 5th, 2018 at 7:51 am
Bonzai… wake and bake much, only thing we can guarantee is Licht will not draft a QB 1st
April 5th, 2018 at 7:57 am
Based off two years, one of the Joes thinks the Bucs cannot develop CBs. A year ago, he did not feel that way. Why?
Because it did not seem the case after 2016.
2016 left us with hope for VHIII, right? 2017 was bad, but just because it was that doesn’t mean 2016 changed.
There is faulty reasoning in the assumption that the Buc cannot develop a CB. There just isn’t a large enough sample size.
But I get it. Joe (2) is biased toward running back. Is every year. I feel for him. I wish he’d get his way and the Bucs would draft a great RB just to make his day.
But it seems to me that the desire for RB is clouding things a bit in regard to CB. Is CB truly a wasted pick? No.
If it works out good, problem solved. If it doesn’t, this coaching staff is not going to ruin the CB in one year.
Vernon has had two years. He had an okay first year and tooka step back in his second year. It happens that way a lot in the NFL. How he responds this year will determine if he is boom or bust. My belief (hope) is that he will prove everyone wrong and reclaim the outside spot.
And Smith has played one season as an outside CB, and only got a ittle experience starting. Far too soon to write him off…especially since he did okay there for the most part.
The sample size simply is not big enough to justify the claim that the Bucs cannot develop a CB.
April 5th, 2018 at 8:02 am
Different player, same problem
It must be some bias these big school players tecieve, that causes teams to draft players with obvious flaws.
Flaws that wont allow them to transition to the NFL
I was so angry when we drafted Hagreaves. It was OBVIOUS that he was too slow and too small to play in the NFL. You watched him in college, and he wasnt able to bump big recievers- or keep up with the really Fast ones.
Fortunately for him- wrs with NFL skills, who were either big or fast, were really rare.
But When he faced a Skilled big or Fast guy- he retreated backward.
Just like he does on every play here.
Denzel Ward has speed and then some. He has has great back pedal, and transitions beautifully. Gonna be hard to out run him!
But
Ward bulked up a bit for the Combine. He weighted in at 191. His playing weight was closer to 185
He has a small frame. He wont be able add weight.
When he plays against the NFC souths big recievers, and tries to bump them off route-
They will knock him on his butt.
Thats just what happened to him in college. It will happen to him in the NFL.
Its an obvious problem, and its on tape.
There are some great CBs in this draft. Hughes, Jackson, etc,etc. draft one- and you’ve got an NFL CB.
Ward isnt gonna make it big in the NFL. Its obvious.
He’ll hang around for a while, but will always be a liability.
But some team will draft him- having to know that he will bust.
And thats the mystery.
Hope it isnt the Bucs. In this teams horriffic history, we’ve drafted enough obvious bust.
April 5th, 2018 at 8:08 am
I’m yearning for your Thursday podcast Ira!
Podcast! Podcast! Podcast!
April 5th, 2018 at 8:08 am
Guzzie Says:
“Bonzai… wake and bake much, only thing we can guarantee is Licht will not draft a QB 1st”
I actually agree, but I was only suggesting to expect the unexpected.
Back when Favre still had years left with Green Bay, no one expected them to draft Rogers to ride the bench. They had other needs at the time.
Yet they did.
The good teams draft QBs even if not needed, because a good backup doesn’t just need to step in…he needs to gain trade value. The Pats have gained extra first rounders that way.
With Winston facing a suspension, anything is possible in the draft. What if the Bucs secretly know he’ll be suspended 8 games? That would kill the season because Fitz is NOT good enough.
In that scenario, QB would become a big need.
April 5th, 2018 at 8:12 am
Chubb. Nelson. Via.
Forget Barkley. Not worth it and Dimitri Flowers will fix our rb need later.
April 5th, 2018 at 8:21 am
Yep only the FSU homers guarantee James (surgically repaired ACL)
Is going to be a stud. Just like Winston (still 4th best qb) and Aguyo
(Unemployed) were guaranteed studs based off one year of good production but fell off the following year in college. I say trade the man who put us in this situation where we wont get the big 3 because his ego told him to disobey his coach. Trade Winston to Buffalo and with their first 3 picks you get a better Qb ( Mayfield or Jackson) and fill the roster spots we need to fill and boom we are set for years.
Jackson is gonna change the league this year. Draft the 2nd best running back in Guice and use the other first on Davenport or one of the top corners. After that bpa. Dont sink 120 million for the forth best qb who does his own thing. Not to mention alm the trouble that he brings in. When Winston was in the draft all the knocks on hom have now become true. Innaccurate qb with off the field concerns….wow what do you know going into his forth season he couldn’t hit the best deep threat in the game, fumbles a bunch, and is under investigation for improperly touching a woman. You dont have to be Miss Cleo tk see what happens next!
April 5th, 2018 at 8:38 am
The back end secondary is to much of a large gaping hole
All it takes is grimes to miss some games and season would be lost. You need starter in secondary that will contribute period.
Running back is serviceable as show by barbers last few games and addition of Jensen .Again running back is huge need and will be drafted but back end secondary is biggest need.
And yes they need defensive end. However, after Chubb who is really worth taking high. Most of the guys have off-field issues or more 3-4 or just not consistent numbers.
With a stud db and /or safety who comes in and starts with production, the entire defense has talent at all 4 levels Better all around defense
April 5th, 2018 at 8:45 am
Eric that scenario will not happen however, it is an extremely entertaining take that I had not considered. You get an “A” for creativity and if it were to happen, it wouldn’t be the craziest move ever. Oh, get ready for all of the FSU honk backlash!
Then next closest thing would be to draft a QB and hold him hostage. I truly have no problem with that.
Don’t stop bringing in D-lineman. NFL cornerbacks are still available in free agency. Signing at least one of them will allow you to have more options come draft time.
April 5th, 2018 at 8:47 am
I agree with Ira, there’s little value with safety at #7. What good is a safety if we don’t have corners? They’ll get hung out to dry. Pass rush? We don’t know what we have yet.
Bonzai- Give me Guice, pick up Flowers later. Now that would be a helluva one-two punch! Flowers is a project though. I’m not 100% sold.
April 5th, 2018 at 8:50 am
You know, everyone keeps talking about how terrible our secondary was, but no one wants to talk about the contributing factors to why….We can have 4 hall of famers in our secondary and they would get flamed too because qb’s had all day long to sit in the pocket unaffected. They can’t cover forever people sheesh
April 5th, 2018 at 9:05 am
Pretty sure they just signed 4 free agents on dline and are paying them 28 mil for all 4 …so secondary they brought in 0. Actually may lose a starter in McClain
April 5th, 2018 at 9:10 am
Please no to Ward. He is way too small to handle NFC South WR’s. Also, he is much closer to a VHIII clone (down to the hand waving on overthrows) than he is to Lattimore. As an Ohio native who has seen plenty of Ward, PLEASE STAY AWAY!
April 5th, 2018 at 9:26 am
You can only get one player with the first pick, this is why mock drafts suck. People act as if the top ten platters are the only players good enough to take. Ward may be the best corner in the draft but he’s not the only corner in the draft that can start for a team. That’s not a hot take, there are plenty of corners on the draft and in the first round we could take but how many safeties? If you don’t get one with the first pick where you gonna get another one? Corner and running back are deep, defensive end and safety are thin positions and that’s why it has to be addressed first, if Chubb is gone I’d be happy with a safety especially James
April 5th, 2018 at 10:21 am
I can’t believe how dumb that sounds, Eric. Trade the guy that put us in this situation by winning a game!?!?
LMAO! Trade Jameis!? Mayfield and Jackson will be better?
Smh, this site sometimes…
April 5th, 2018 at 10:35 am
IF only the Bucs had used their heads and tanked that last game against them Saints. Why they’d be sittin in real high cotton right now. Sometimes in life one must swallow their pride and take a loss..to make a gain. WE really could have had a shot at a great Defensive maker..Maybe even better than Aaron Donald who WE..passed over. But Chubbs gonna be long gone by our pick.
April 5th, 2018 at 10:36 am
Keep the focus on the trenches, as hard as that may be.
The improvement will trickle into all other position groups.
Ideal scenario…
Nelson at 7
YOung DE in round 2
FIX THE TRENCHES, FIX THE BUCS!!
April 5th, 2018 at 10:47 am
Jason Says:
April 5th, 2018 at 6:45 am
Ward is a bust for this team in the current scheme just like Hargreaves. No amount of talent is going to help Ward if he can’t play man coverage.
^^BINGO^^
go ahead and draft ward and let smitty force him to play that soft/off coverage…..then we’ll be saying how ward is a bust just like VHG…..
they are both man press CB’s…..they are the same height with VHG weighting more and ward being faster…..I can hear fans now saying how ward is to light in the pants to match up against funchess….Julio….and MT…..
if the big 3 are gone trade down and grab james….he’ll make funchess….MT…and Julio think twice about coming over the middle or toe tapping the sideline….
#NOEXCUSEIN2018!!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!!
April 5th, 2018 at 10:55 am
IMO trade down….Preferably with teams like Dolphins, Cardinals, or Packers and select Jaire Alexander or Marcus Davenport. Offense sells ticket but Defense wins championships
April 5th, 2018 at 11:42 am
Sage, with all due respect. Picking Ward over Derwin screams picking for need over best player. You can’t watch both of there films and tell me that Ward is a better football player than Derwin. Another corner under 6 foot? Julio is licking his chops. Derwin is the guy that could change the culture of our defense. Picking for need is what ruins teams.
April 5th, 2018 at 11:56 am
LOL Where do people concoct such drivel?
April 5th, 2018 at 12:09 pm
Joe Says:
April 5th, 2018 at 11:56 am
LOL Where do people concoct such drivel?
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From watching the Browns continually reach for a QB and fail.
April 5th, 2018 at 12:28 pm
Bonzai, Barkley not worth our 7th pick but vita vea is???what tape have you been watching?LMAO, the most ignorant statement of the year goes to bonzai!!!vita vea doesn’t even have 1 pass rush move!wow,those who thought bonzai knew football just got woken up,way to go bonzai!maybe you should switch to tennis and leave the NFL draft to knowledgeable fans who actually study film and not a two minute highlight video.go watch vita vea vs Penn state where he is easily blocked 1on1 and tell me how great he is!he should be a nose tackle in a 34 base defense that allows his linebackers to make plays.you vita vea fans are clueless!!
April 5th, 2018 at 12:31 pm
we need help at skilled position, ward or guice would work
April 5th, 2018 at 12:33 pm
Bonzai, go look at vita vea career stats then his individual game stats and tell all of us how great he is.then go study his film and tell us where the greatness is!hint=No greatness!!
April 5th, 2018 at 12:55 pm
BPA at position of need is the formula.
Do not draft PURELY for need.
Do not draft PURELY for value.
I.e. we won’t draft a QB just because he’s rated higher than a DL/OL/secondary/RB prospect.
BUT we shouldn’t say “Our #1 need is CB” and pick the 20th rated player because he’s a CB; over let’s say a DE we have ranked 5th on the board.
You don’t take a RB round 2 just because you identify that as a must have need; when there’s no RB you have rated high left; and there’s a CB sittiing on the board that you had ranked as a top 15 player.
That’s how I’d say drafting purely for need is a terrible strategy.
Howard was not our biggest need; but another TE was a need. Not a huge priority but they wanted an in-line blocking dual threat TE that year.
Right now in terms of starters; RB/CB/OG/S are biggest needs. But if there is a DE/DT on the board that is ranked much higher you don’t force a pick on a different position because it’s a higher priority need. If that DE is a potential pro bowler and the CB is just some guy then drafting for need hurts your team hard there.
April 5th, 2018 at 12:58 pm
I’m tired of this big three talk as if we can get one of them. Please stop giving unrealistic hope for this draft. I say this trade with Buffalo and get their two picks for #7. Then trade #12 to the Patriots for their two. I think the running backs are coming off the board in the first round, no I guarantee that is what happens. Think about it players like Guice, Michel, and Chubb are gonna be off the board after the first round and these teams are not gonna risk waiting either. I can also see Ridley and Moore in the first round as well. These are guys that are definitely going in the first 15 picks along with Vea and Payne. I think it’s possible we get both James and Fitzpatrick in the first round and move Fitzpatrick to corner where he is better suited to play and played in high school as well. I think they trade their second round pick to move back up in the first round. If they play their cards right and lose that close expectation and just strart accumulating picks to draft according to the team needs. It’s very possible that all the teams deperate for running backs will draft running backs in the first round.
There could very well be 6 QB and 4 RB go in the first round. If we play our cards right we could end up with 5 first round picks this season. This is realistic if it’s not against the rules but with trades of that many we would influence the draft enough to where James, Fitzpatrick, Hernandez would all fall to us if we were picking low in the twenty picks of the first
April 5th, 2018 at 1:08 pm
Lmao. 5 picks in the first round? Drafting James AND Fitzpatrick? I thought you said “stop giving unrealistic hope”?
April 5th, 2018 at 1:48 pm
Ira
Don’tkeep coming back to Ward, the dude is great UNTIL he is on a Bucs Team and is playing no less than 10 yards off–did you not watch last year? Really minimal thought put into this very long article.
No to very small cornerback in the top of the first round
Stop drafting first pick for need
April 5th, 2018 at 2:00 pm
going back to not reading your (Ira) articles–cannot believe you want to draft another nickel cornerback with pick #7 and they both(VH3 and Ward) will be below average there
anyway yeah–no doubt you are not suggesting that happen but get realistic when Ward is a complete bust then it is the only solution so Licht will not look so bad.
April 5th, 2018 at 4:18 pm
Picking for need doesn’t ruin teams. It’s when teams overreach for need. I don’t think it’s drivel. You can look at the Bucs history and see lots of botches that came from reaching too much.
With this draft I don’t really think Ward would be a huge reach if the big three are gone. I have seen him mocked as high as #5. The Bucs wouldn’t be the only ones valuing him so high.
But I don’t see what the problem is with drafting a Safety. The Bucs need to draft a person at number seven, not a position. The Bucs are doing much more then looking at clips and studying the mock drafts circulating. Ward, James and Fitzpatrick are all good players but each is their own person and brings something different to the field and lockerroom. There are plenty of reasons to pass on any given player no matter how high their “stock” is or which position they play.
I’ll let the Bucs do their homework and figure that part out. Licht has a good track record. I’ll support whoever he picks. Saying he must draft a CB at 7 is a awful idea. That’s because there is only on choice…….If that’s the case he doesn’t have to do any homework because he is picking a position not a person…..That is a recipe for failure.
April 5th, 2018 at 6:36 pm
Joe Says:
April 5th, 2018 at 11:56 am
Picking for need is what ruins teams.
LOL Where do people concoct such drivel?
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